The Nonexistent Youth Bill: The Deathknell to All Lolicon

Clearly the solution is for anime fans worldwide to post complaints on the internet.

Why I am afraid of fences.

Well this is what internet forums is invented for.

edited 16th Feb '11 5:58:02 PM by Signed

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

Frankly, I still maintain this won't pass a second time now that people actually know about it. But I don't think this will be protested until then.

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."

I still don't think it'll be as bad as Four Kids. No Dub-Induced Plot Hole instances, no cut episodes, and people will likely actually die instead of being "sent to the shadow realm."

Why I am afraid of fences.

You know...after 31 pages not a single person has asked...what is the purpose of this bill anyways?

I gave my speculation that it's to appease to a bunch of foreign prudes who always whine about anime being too fanservicey and too loli etc., and this bill is intended to make anime/manga more appealing to foreigners in a misguided attempt to increase profits...

But the more I think about it, the sillier it sounds. So there has to be another more realistic reason.

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^ Except when we have stuff like 4Kids dub, chances are you can just go online and watch the good version instead.

If the industry starts hypothetically going 4Kids on itself, then there won't even be a good version to watch.

edited 16th Feb '11 6:04:11 PM by Signed

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

Suggest something better then, Idea Man.

LOL at thinking logical thinking and common sense do apply to politics and moral guardian scare campaigns.

edited 16th Feb '11 6:02:53 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

I think I have a reason...

Ishihara is really a WWII veteran from America who is in Japan to finish the job through non-nuclear means. He lived there for a long time and knows that it's lifeblood is Anime and sees to ban it. Cut the head and the body will die.

I'm sorry; I loathe this bill as much as anyone else, but comparing this to the situation in the Middle East? Really? Stay classy, guys.

These are the words that shall come from my mouth. I shall be known for speaking them.

It's not like the people there are going to get offended by the comparison or anything.

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

Finally, an ounce of common sense.

Egypt revolted against a crap leader who was doing a crap job at running the country, they were revolting because their lives were actually terrible, things were getting bad in Egypt and the actual standard of life was dropping, this is about freaking entertainment, in Egypt they are rioting, things are getting looted smashed and serious real-life shit is going down, anime and manga are not worth breaking shit over and potentially killing people, the Japanese people are willing to protest and organize over real issues like the Senkaku Islands incident, not this.

I'm getting real sick of this "One example equals all of the populous" bull, especially when this all based off unbased assumptions of character like "Oh Japanese are polite so they won't protest", because that totally is false causation.

EDIT: Also Raso, the title is located in the medium quality picture in a tiny font near the middle of the huge Japanese title, plus the manga was also unpopular enough to get pulled from print in the first place so yeah.

edited 16th Feb '11 8:37:48 PM by WORLDTree

Yet this is the first step back to the Imperial Japan type ways with Government censorship and such. Tokyo is the heart of japan and what is law there trickles down to the rest of the country.

EDIT: When they print a manga they only print a certain number of copies... when they call for a second printing its the sign that its doing better than expected.

edited 16th Feb '11 8:40:32 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Imperial Japan? Is a stealth Godwin like that really called for?

Currently taking a break from the site. See my user page for more information.

Keep that statement in mind and prepare to defend it if things turn out otherwise.

Have you actually read some of the comments made by Ishihara? He wants it.

edited 16th Feb '11 8:39:31 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

If that's true, it's just another reason no one is going to let this bill pass a second time.

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."

It was a reprint, meaning it was out of print before, meaning it wasn't good enough to not get pulled in the first place, it even says "previously published work", meaning he finished it, they got their profits, moved on, and then some people started buying copies that were in circulation possibly years or months later.

EDIT: And quite frankly this an old manga no one has even heard of, again, we have yet to see big name titles get pulled from market.

edited 16th Feb '11 8:42:41 PM by WORLDTree

Really, the only thing that worries me is the declining birth rate in Japan. Normally I'd view this as something like Rock N' Roll or Video Games where the previous generations fear-mongering gets swept away over time, but the oldschool conservatives of Japan aren't going anywhere soon. Doesn't help that the opposition are anti-West isolationists who'd be even worse to have in power. :/

These are the words that shall come from my mouth. I shall be known for speaking them.

Old nothing this is this is published in Young Comic [1] and its still on going. When they print a Tankoubon they will print a bunch for the first release and if needed they will print more by having a second printing. A second printing is a huge sign that its doing better than the publisher expected...

Lord Of The Rings did the same thing for its first release, it just plain ran out of copies out there so they did a Second printing of it.

edited 16th Feb '11 8:48:15 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

...And everyone in America is like Bush right?

Lets all ignore the fact that the majority of Japanese care so little for politics it's listed as one of the most boring subjects to talk about, lets ignore that almost every leading politician in the modern age has had terrible approval ratings which come form the "super conservatives" in the first place, honestly it seems like "damned if I do, damned if I don't", if you're young you're a punk kid who's part of a demographic shrinking by 100% a second, if you're old then you're a super racist who wants Imperial Japan back, if you're soft-spoken you're a conformist and if you're outspoken you're a crazy, it just sucks not be in the US huh?

EDIT: Unless we can get numbers then we can't really prove anything about a manga that doesn't even get honorable mention in the article, if you thought it was going to do bad in the first place and printed little then it really isn't that great if you go from bad to average.

edited 16th Feb '11 8:54:44 PM by WORLDTree

Although I'm not entirely sure how this will all play out, I'm inclined to agree with WORLD Tree here. I'm pretty sure the Manga publishers/Anime distributors, not the fans, will, if not outright kill it, change the wording of the bill to make it basically meaningless. Also yeah, Sankaku Complex is a bunch of elitist pretentious snobs when it comes to their anime opinions.

These are the words that shall come from my mouth. I shall be known for speaking them.

I agree with everything in this line, but...pretentious?

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

They're of the group who believe that every single anime needs a deep moral lesson and insight on society and must have a super realistic artstyle and be like Paranoia Agent, or essentially, they believe whatever Artefact tells them too, if something is "bad" they all super rage like now, if it's "amusing" expect "LOLOLOLOL" all over the comment section, and if it's not to Artefact's liking then expect everyone to agree and call anyone who doesn't a troll

I've seen a few articles where they act all smug about bashing a certain part of the Anime fandom. It's more of a "I know more than you" attitude than anything else.

These are the words that shall come from my mouth. I shall be known for speaking them.

I don't go there much unless google directs me to them, but from what I've seen, aren't they the complete opposite of that?

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

OK, coming out of lurk mode...

Sankaku seems to think that the ability to designate books as 'harmful books' and restrict their sale to minors originated with this bill. It did not. Tokyo's youth ordinance which they've had for a while (and which the bill amends) already gave them this ability, and for years they have put up lists of which books they've designated as 'harmful' each month. The list that Sankaku links to is simply another one.

Lists from 2010 Lists from 2009 Lists from 2008

Typically it's 1 to 4 books (not just manga, some novels and magazines have been on this too) and typically they're borderline if not outright hentai. A previous manga from Young Comic was also labeled a 'harmful book' last October, before the bill was revived: 1 The reaction of the publisher is also not new, many stores do not carry books labeled as 'harmful' (especially if they've been labeled as such by Tokyo as they are the capital) and so many such books just go out of print or are canceled.

Also, the bill does not go into effect until July.

I'm against the bill as much as everyone else, but posting stuff from Sankaku doesn't help things.

edited 16th Feb '11 10:32:27 PM by doinkies