Super Smash Bros.

Sounds good, dude.

I have a hunch that Villager's B Special is the move where he puts stuff in his pocket.

Also, agreed with Cassidy The Devil and FOFD that the DK, Yoshi and Wario series should not be counted as part of the Mario series roster count.

edited 14th Nov '13 4:26:40 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

Who counts them as part of the Mario series?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12917049090A88442700&page=1090#27226

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

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Yeah. Smash has tons of different Universes. While they still are "related" enough for the purpose of fun Event Matches, they're heavily separate among Smash as unique Franchises.

For Smashboards and Smash Wiki, we have two categories of Universes. Major ones, which have Courses, Characters, and Items(including Assist Trophies), and Minor for the rest. We've had Universes(determined by a Symbol) for only Courses, even. It'd take forever to list them all.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Universe Here's a page that shows it off based upon Smash in total to get the idea. Another way to look at it is that many things lack a Symbol to rep their Universe. These are minor ones.

I hope you can still use the Wii Remote to play Smash 4. I liked moving around with the D-Pad in Brawl.

Wario, DK, and Yoshi have their own series of games, but they are all part of the Mario Universe.

However, for the purposes of Smash, they seem to be considered simply "different series".

edited 14th Nov '13 6:19:04 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!

Right, being different franchises doesn't preclude being part of the same universe.

Donkey Kong Country may or may not be part of the broader Mario universe. Apart from Smash Bros., the only time I can think of where characters from both appeared alongside each other was Mario Party DS where Diddy joined DK in the story sequences.

Now I kinda want to see Donkey and co. traveling with the Comet Observatory.

the implication is that Cranky Kong was the original Donkey Kong.

edited 14th Nov '13 6:24:49 AM by Enlong

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And being part of the same franchise doesn't preclude being from different universes.

"We're home, Chewie."

Implication is not the same as canonically stated.

Awakening puts them all in the same universe, actually. More or less.

edited 14th Nov '13 6:26:48 AM by BadWolf21

They are separate Universes for the purpose of SSB. Not the same.

That's how the game actually does it. All unique Universes. There is no other reason to give them Universe Symbols otherwise. It can be argued that the Mario, DK, Yoshi, and Wario characters know each other at best, and their placement on the Character Screens are pretty much a reference to how they tend to cameo among each other's games. But that's where it ends.

They're separated by long periods of time and great distances, but all the Fire Emblem games seem to have happened on one planet, according to Awakening.

I sure said that!

Bad Wolf and Pulse: Eh, I always figured the DLC stuff and portal gates and such were more like interdimensional travel being involved. So, different universes with doors between them. It's all up to interpretation, though.

I think that's reading too much into it a bit. The symbols denote franchises, not universes. I don't think Smash "canon" really has anything regarding different universes, considering the characters are just living trophy versions of themselves "canonically."

edited 14th Nov '13 6:31:18 AM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."

They have unique franchises, not unique universes. Those things are pretty different.

Sheik'd

edited 14th Nov '13 6:31:28 AM by Moth13

The kicker is that Chrom is always recognizing the Einherjar as being based on heroes form his world.

I sure said that!

Off the top of my head, there's also Mario Kart Wii, which had Diddy and Funky Kong, and Super Mario Sluggers, which had Diddy, Dixie, Funky, Tiny, and King K Rool.

Although, Wario Ware always kinda struck me as seeming more like an alternate universe...

edited 14th Nov '13 6:34:23 AM by beorc

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...Oh. Nevermind then. I only played the Einherjar DLC with Marth (who very definitely was from the same world as Awakening), so I didn't know about that.

Dang it, I loved making jokes about how the series has a bunch of games taking place in different universes...

"We're home, Chewie."

Universes = Franchises. Same thing in Smash. They are still separated in SSB regardless of what term you use. Semantics are irrelevant. Doesn't make them less separate. And they will continue to be because that has absolutely not changed at all.

Nor is there a reason to. Also, I forget if it was implied or outright stated in some material that Cranky Kong is the first DK or not. Does make sense, though. Same with DK Jr. growing up to be DK, since we see the sequel to Super Mario Kart with a leaving DK Jr. for the adult version being Donkey Kong. It's a fair guess to make, anyway.

So naturally my last big post is met with everyone telling me why I'm always wrong. Can't say I'm surprised.

Not to mention the two people who said pretty much the same thing I did on the page before I did are conveniently nowhere to be found...

What? Knowing this fact for a long time (which I have) means I'm supposed to like it or something?

And no, being only on Wii U wouldn't guarantee their return, but the chances would certainly be much more likely.

All of the Melee characters (except Mewtwo) that didn't make it into Brawl weren't really essential, and were replaced with better characters. Toon Link helps represent a different set of games (The whole Melee Zelda roster is based on the N64 duology) and allows for art style diversity within the roster of one series (especially in Smash Bros 4). Also he's much more likely to be decloned then Young Link if Sakurai thought outside the square instead of being conservative when it came to Zelda characters. Pichu was a bottom-tiered Pikachu clone who damages himself with pretty much three quarters of his moveset and there are way more diverse choices for Pokemon then him (I never really thought about it before, but I just realised there are no clone characters in the Pokemon roster in Brawl, which I am grateful for). Roy was added solely to advertise the upcoming Fire Emblem game, while Ike is one of very few lords besides Marth to be the star of more than one game.

And Dr Mario... well, really that's all I have to say.

Two Words: Exclusive Stages.

Except all the characters who didn't return to Brawl except Mewtwo were superfluous.

...

Honestly, stuff those comparisons to those Melee characters being dropped. The Ice Climbers aren't clones, have a unique fighting style, and rep a franchise with no other reps. Comparing them to those we lost in Melee is just insulting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

...I really don't understand where you're coming from here. I don't see how they're the same thing, especially since, as far as I know, the Smash series has never actually used the word "universes." Or "franchises," for that matter, but still.

How are they the same thing in Smash when Smash doesn't use either word?

"We're home, Chewie."

We're talking about the Symbols of each Universe/Franchise. What term you use for them doesn't actually matter because it's the same thing in this case in Smash. What they full under. And characters alone don't get that symbol anyway.

Well, Franchise is generally used to refer to a series of games, and Ubiverse to mean the world or worlds those games take place in.

For example, Donkey Kong and Mario are now two different franchises, but take place in the same universe.

A similar situation is implied between Star Fox and F-Zero.

The character symbols in Smash are used depending on a character's franchise, not necessarily the world they're from.

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