The New Touhou Character Alternate Interpretation Compendium!:

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6651 XionGaTaosenai1st Aug 2011 11:43:14 PM , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Some kind of a New Leaf
So, have we turned "blood is amazing" into a meme yet?
B Villain
Upload it to 4chan and we may find out...

edited 1st Aug '11 11:56:42 PM by raigakuren

That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
6653 Fawriel2nd Aug 2011 01:36:22 AM from the bottom of my heart , Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
THE MEEK
But it's a forced meme. ._.

This has gotten silly. Faw, when you log on again: I have put a bolded line on that thing I wrote. Take it in memory of me.
I will take it like a man.

It's not supposed to seem natural. Vampires are supernatural creatures. Love usually doesn't develop into giant death rays, so are you going to argue that Master Spark doesn't seem natural? Master Spark is magic. Vampires are magic. Neither of them are limited by the usual rules of biology and physics.
The Master Spark isn't strange. Which is a more fitting word than "unnatural" to use here, but I wanted to use "unnatural" to make a point. The Master Spark takes something that is thought of as very powerful, and uses it as energy, if you buy into the idea that it really is powered by magic. In that sense, it's just conversion of power, only that it doesn't work in a way we can understand. That's the thing. Magic powers certain processes without a plausible explanation as to why, but it still has to follow a certain framework before it starts seeming weird and arbitrary and unnatural. Byakuren becoming healthy and unnaturally strong makes sense to me, her "growing backwards", not as much. To put it like this, I can imagine her "gaining youth", but not "losing age". The former still seems like a forward progression, while the latter just completely goes against nature.

Well, I could definitely imagine a spell that is specifically designed to de-age a person, so Byakuren is not the best example, except I think it's implied that her youth is a consequence of becoming a youkai magician, rather than the result of a spell. Similarly, being children is part of Touhou vampires, but if it's just a natural part of their being, I cannot imagine it turning adults into children, because for something that's so natural for a whole species, it's just too unnatural to me.

Furthermore, there is a reason why they have to be children, and it's explicitly spelled out in Remilia's profile in Imperishable Night: that's the source of her immortality. "Creatures of her kind forfeit their growth and maturity in exchange for eternal life. In other words, she can live forever because she never grows up."
And that is not a good reason to me. I can buy that vampires stop aging, that they stop growing up, but not that grown-ups will return into not-grown-ups. Not aging anymore is a reasonable consequence of a certain sort of eternal life, but if you make the rule that they also have to turn back into children if they weren't already, it becomes an arbitrary rule with no purpose besides lolicon fanservice. If the purpose is supposed to be that it's a trade-off, then turning into a child is a pretty weak price to pay. It'd be more effective to pay with an arm or leg or with your health or whatever.

Point is, vampires are supernatural, but not extranatural. They don't have to explain how they work, but the ways they do work have to follow a certain intuitive framework to a certain extent or break my immersion.

Remilia ~ Immortal+ (Princess)
Yeah, the interaction between Remi and Flan was adorable. You have some good ideas in there. In particular the bit about Remilia and Flandre being "princesses". My only complaint is that the story seems to meander and is inconsistent in tone, but you explained that already.

By the way, what is my prize?
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6654 asterism2nd Aug 2011 02:25:22 AM , Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
It's not like people using magic to make themselves young and pretty is anything new. Byakuren's profile suggests that it was a specific spell that made her youthful. Akyuu also notes that humans need to cast a specific spell to become magicians.

edited 2nd Aug '11 2:30:19 AM by asterism

6655 Fawriel2nd Aug 2011 03:17:50 AM from the bottom of my heart , Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
THE MEEK
As I said, I can buy a spell specifically targeted towards that, but not de-aging as a natural consequence of something like being turned into a vampire.

And now for some Remilia cuteness.
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6656 Otherarrow2nd Aug 2011 06:45:39 AM from Great Tree Yap Gotz , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Dual Wielding Bows
Raocow fighting Rex!Remilia has to be one of the best things I've seen in a while. Thanks for the link.

ON TOPICISH:How does youth magic work anyway? Is it permanent? If you run out of magic juice (mana, MP, whatever), do you revert back to your "true" age? Does the process of deaging hurt? Or is it just an illusion? It is apparently black magic, so is there a cost to it?

But yeah, I can accept the "vampires stay the age they were turned at" or "vampires can stop aging at certain points for whatever reason" but "vampires automatically become kids again when turned" kinda stretches my suspension of disbelief.

EDIT: "Blood is Amazing!" isn't already a meme? I wouldn't have been surprised if ZUN himself was trying to make it one when he wrote it into the book six times.

edited 2nd Aug '11 6:49:50 AM by Otherarrow

6657 Bocaj2nd Aug 2011 07:17:29 AM from Here , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
Blood is amazing. Its why I donate blood whenever I can. Remember, you're not only saving a life, you're also providing a fresh source of blood to the friendly vampire population so they don't have to hunt.

Every donation can not only save three babies, it can keep a vampire fed for a month. Take a hint, give a pint.

Sponsored by the Remilia Scarlet Foundation For Home Delivery of Dinner (TM).

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6658 Otherarrow2nd Aug 2011 07:51:46 AM from Great Tree Yap Gotz , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Dual Wielding Bows
I for one, support the efforts of the RSFfHDD(TM).

Blood is amazing!

edited 2nd Aug '11 7:52:12 AM by Otherarrow

6659 Recon52nd Aug 2011 08:02:19 AM from Southeast Asia
Avvie-free for life!
wild mass guessI'd say that becoming a little girl automatically happens to anyone who enters Gensokyo unless they take specific measures beforehand to prevent it. Remi being Remi and Flan being clueless they didn't get the memo before the SDM was moved and Sakuya was too busy being perfect to remind them, or maybe she assumed they already knew.wild mass guess
6660 asterism2nd Aug 2011 09:36:08 AM , Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
Byakuren's youth magic is apparently fuelled by the existance of youkai. If youkai ceased to exist, the magic would fail and she would presumably revert to her true age and crumble into dust into a suitably dramatic fashion.

[up] Kanako does not appear as a young girl. Neither does Eirin.

ON TOPIC: Blood. It's amazing, you know.

edited 2nd Aug '11 9:37:47 AM by asterism

6661 Dragonexx2nd Aug 2011 09:43:08 AM from that one place
Angel of Draconic Wisdom
Don't know how this even has any relation to the current discussion, but I just suddenly had an image in my head of an original vampire character from a story I'm writing turning remilia and flandre...
Doing nothing is a choice.
6662 Bocaj2nd Aug 2011 10:05:59 AM from Here , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
There was a CYOA type thingy on that touhou project CYOA site where Remilia has her progenitor locked up in her attic and she's sufficiently traumatized by something that it did at some point. If I remember, she does not like to talk about or acknowledge that its up there.

And then Yukari screwing around again brings a Belmont to the Scarlet Devil Mansion. Or something.
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6663 Clarste2nd Aug 2011 12:12:33 PM , Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Regarding vampire youth, rather than de-aging I'd imagine that adults simply aren't candidates for turning into vampires. Maybe adults turn into the mindless zombies Akyuu mentions while children turn into full-fledged vampires. For whatever reason. That doesn't seem particularly implausible to me.
6664 Pulse2nd Aug 2011 12:17:10 PM from Yaddayaddaville , Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
eep
Or it could be pure dumb luck, like how everyone involved in the incidents thus far, with the exception of Unzan, is female.
Stop staring
6665 Clarste2nd Aug 2011 12:22:45 PM , Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
I just don't think it would say that vampires trade maturity for immortality if it wasn't a requirement that they lack maturity. It's definitely implied that Remilia being a child isn't a coincidence.

edited 2nd Aug '11 12:22:55 PM by Clarste

6666 Dragonexx2nd Aug 2011 12:26:21 PM from that one place
Angel of Draconic Wisdom
Though that could cause a crap ton of problems if every vampire had a childish temper and immaturity thrown in with all that power. I would imagine a whole host of worse problems then the scarlet mist incident...
Doing nothing is a choice.
6667 Bocaj2nd Aug 2011 12:27:52 PM from Here , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
Well, Dracula is supposedly a real vampire in this setting. Remilia's theme music tries to claim he's her ancestor. Its lying, of course. Its a filthy, deceitful piece of melody.

Dracula wasn't a kid so I don't think its a mandatory requirement.
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6668 Clarste2nd Aug 2011 12:29:55 PM , Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Was he? It's not like Touhou doesn't take other liberties with mythology.
6669 Bocaj2nd Aug 2011 12:33:08 PM from Here , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
I'm going to say yes, he wasn't. He was a vaguely ugly eastern European man who all the young, impressionable vampires want to be like.
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6670 Otherarrow2nd Aug 2011 12:35:05 PM from Great Tree Yap Gotz , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Dual Wielding Bows
Is Dracula even "real" in the Touhou setting? For all we know, Remilia read the book and decided to claim decent from that fictional vampire for shock value (after all, commoners are probably going to recognize Dracula, fictional or not, more than they are going to recognize the real vampire Percival Scarlet* )

I am willing to accept the "vampires becomes kids when turned" thing as canon if canon material says it is, but I will say that it is still very stupid, and does still stretch my suspension of disbelief.
6671 Durazno2nd Aug 2011 12:35:36 PM from Academia , Relationship Status: Robosexual
All business!
It's also possible that his "natural" form was that of a young boy, but he was able to shapeshift into the unsettling-but-strangely-fascinating looking dude Harker & Co encountered. Is that a creepy, horrifying thought? Good! It's high time Dracula was creepy and horrifying again!
6672 Fawriel2nd Aug 2011 12:49:45 PM from the bottom of my heart , Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
THE MEEK
You know what I just realized?

Remilia has at least two servants bound to her, whose names she probably chose herself to fit her theme, which likely has something to do with the bond itself.

Sound familiar?

Yukari has one or two servants bound to her, whose names she probably chose herself to fit her theme, which might very well have something to do with the bond itself.

HMMM.

Was he? It's not like Touhou doesn't take other liberties with mythology.
A-hah!

Dracula was a little boy! The reason we know him as the tall, dark and handsome gentlemen he was popularized as is because all the ladies he's wooed the skirts off of didn't want to admit they were seduced by a grade-school kid!
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6673 Dragonexx2nd Aug 2011 12:52:02 PM from that one place
Angel of Draconic Wisdom
[up]It's not really that creepy at all.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

edited 2nd Aug '11 12:52:44 PM by Dragonexx

Doing nothing is a choice.
6674 Clarste2nd Aug 2011 01:05:06 PM , Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Incidentally, Remilia claims to be a descendant of Vlad the Impaler, rather than Dracula in particular. He's often associated with Dracula, of course.
6675 asterism2nd Aug 2011 01:24:10 PM , Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
This amuses me
Unless Chen was named by Ran. Unless Ran was ordered by Yukari to name Chen Chen.

For some reason, I keep imagining Remilia as a Bond villain. Probably because blocking off the sun is a rather Bond-villainy scheme* .

'Ah, Miss Hakurei. I've been expecting you' <smirk>.

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