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yarrunmace Ghosts' Poet from Seine Since: Jun, 2009
Ghosts' Poet
#5151: Jul 9th 2011 at 9:17:43 PM

My interpretation of Heaven is based on my interpretation of the Christian heaven. In my interpretation of heaven, God only lets in godly people because they're the only people that would enjoy heaven. Everyone else wouldn't be happy with the way things would be run. So, in Touhou heaven, the only people who could tolerate life in heaven would be the celestials. This bleeded into my write-up of Tenshi.

you'll then have a grave in the clouds where you won't lie too cramped
TheChubbyDestroyer OOPS from Stage 1 Underground Since: Oct, 2010
OOPS
#5152: Jul 10th 2011 at 12:32:44 AM

If there are many hells*

, is it possible to have many heavens as well?

I think I did something last night...
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#5153: Jul 10th 2011 at 12:34:57 AM

Yes. Its been stated that Bhava-Agra is just one of a collection of Heavens.

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raigakuren B Villain from SHAFT land Since: Mar, 2011
B Villain
#5154: Jul 10th 2011 at 12:43:21 AM

Remember Gensokyou isn't held back by common sense so Heaven and the Netherworld being in the same world is pretty normal in such a strange land.

That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#5155: Jul 10th 2011 at 12:57:24 AM

Well, Yukari is certainly one to resent that kind of thing. She has a grudge against the mooninites too. I have to question those who take her word to be representative of how we're supposed to feel though. Isn't she supposed to be the youkai among youkai? What's the world coming to, when we sympathize with youkai more than our own success stories?
I'm not sure if you fully understand my position. I was speaking from a purely Doylist perspective. Yukari's negative view of the Celestials is shared by a lot of other characters – not necessarily in detail, but they are negative nonetheless – including Akyuu and, to an extent, Tenshi's official profile. That last one's the clincher, really. It's just a side-note, but it suggests the popular position that evil is necessary to have because otherwise, life would be boring. Which is apparently a fair trade to the people who hold that belief. So basically I'm suggesting that ZUN shares that opinion.

And the sour grapes thing. That, too. Sorry, I think it's too early for me to think about complex stuff like this.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#5156: Jul 10th 2011 at 3:24:30 AM

Not even evil, really. Just conflict. Struggles. Not even big ones, necessarily, but something to work on overcoming, be it against another person, or just a basic problem. It's not hard in most countries, but everyone still needs to be able to get food and water when their bodies need it.*

I sure said that!
Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#5157: Jul 10th 2011 at 3:35:38 AM

It's like a world without the yetzer ra.

(The way we're using "evil" reminds me of that, a bit.)

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#5158: Jul 10th 2011 at 4:03:12 AM

And had I known about the term, I might well have used it!

I sure said that!
asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#5159: Jul 10th 2011 at 5:02:21 AM

Sounds kinda similar to the id, or at least it does to me.

edited 10th Jul '11 5:08:04 AM by asterism

Heart of Stone
asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#5160: Jul 10th 2011 at 1:44:04 PM

So, yeah....

Are we done on this topic? Only, no-one's said anything in eight hours.

Heart of Stone
yarrunmace Ghosts' Poet from Seine Since: Jun, 2009
Ghosts' Poet
#5161: Jul 10th 2011 at 1:45:39 PM

Pretty much.

you'll then have a grave in the clouds where you won't lie too cramped
Metaflare MERMAID from Yes Since: Apr, 2011
MERMAID
#5162: Jul 10th 2011 at 1:47:28 PM

Iku Iku Iku Iku Iku Iku

"Seriously, don't eat the mermaid. And not just because it's half cannibalism." ~Otherarrow
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#5163: Jul 10th 2011 at 1:48:37 PM

So the threshold's been moved from 24 to 8 hours? Wow.

TARDISES pirate girl Since: May, 2011
pirate girl
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#5165: Jul 10th 2011 at 1:56:03 PM

We shouldn't rush about to move along. Haste makes waste.

Also, who said we were doing Iku next? Those are fighting words.

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raigakuren B Villain from SHAFT land Since: Mar, 2011
B Villain
#5166: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:01:07 PM

Lightning Drill Disco Oarfish!

That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
Horselesshorseman It's time... to STOP! from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Mar, 2011
It's time... to STOP!
#5167: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:01:48 PM

[up][up] No, those are fighting words, now figh... wait, I'm off topic.

So Celestials. In terms of things, applying good and evil to them is pointless. Tenshi still had humanity to an extent, so we can apply it to her and her family, but only to an extent.

Akyuu says that the people who get into Heaven are only the type of people who wouldn't even want that life to begin with. Now, Akyuu isn't the most reliable source, but that line seems pretty true.

I guess that's all I have left to say on the subject, if you guys want Iku them so do I. Peer pressure is FUN!

edited 10th Jul '11 2:02:45 PM by Horselesshorseman

I have no horse, and I must ride. I accomplish unlockments.
asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#5168: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:12:42 PM

I'll vote for Iku as well. Not because of peer pressure; I always side with the person who looks like they're gonna win.

Heart of Stone
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#5169: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:14:01 PM

On second thought, let's discuss-

Koakuma, the K-K-Koambo Breaker!

I sure said that!
Metaflare MERMAID from Yes Since: Apr, 2011
MERMAID
#5170: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:17:12 PM

Koakuma, the K-K-Koambo Breaker!

Ow.

edited 10th Jul '11 2:17:21 PM by Metaflare

"Seriously, don't eat the mermaid. And not just because it's half cannibalism." ~Otherarrow
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#5171: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:18:31 PM

I'll vote for Koakuma. Unless I change my mind capriciously.

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Metaflare MERMAID from Yes Since: Apr, 2011
MERMAID
#5172: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:21:01 PM

If we don't do Iku right after Tenshi, then we'll never get to her. If we do Koakuma, then Patchy will be very likely next, and then the rest of the SDM, and then some other groups, and then we'll be left with the stragglers.

It's called the flow of discussion and I find it to be a very useful thing to follow.

edited 10th Jul '11 2:21:53 PM by Metaflare

"Seriously, don't eat the mermaid. And not just because it's half cannibalism." ~Otherarrow
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#5173: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:22:17 PM

It wasn't serious. Geez, guys. I just had a flash of inspiration, ya know? Still voting for Iku.

edited 10th Jul '11 2:24:16 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#5174: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:25:32 PM

Faw has frowned upon the flow of discussion. Besides, most of the SDM crew sans Koakuma are more popular characters. We can't just go along the chain like that. And of course we'll eventually get back to Iku.

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Metaflare MERMAID from Yes Since: Apr, 2011
MERMAID
#5175: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:27:50 PM

you just hate me and everything i stand for >:c

"Seriously, don't eat the mermaid. And not just because it's half cannibalism." ~Otherarrow

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