Would that it were so simple.
They're really going to milk that cow dry.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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You still need to hunt them down though, which is a dangerous proposition at best. Wolves are a lot more at home in the wilds than most people are.
Or just trap them.
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Wasn't sure which thread to post in, but putting it here because it somewhat involves book-related details-
Anyway, I'm hoping that at least one of the spinoff shows is Dunk and Egg, which I think would fit in well with the "earthy, humorous tone" that is something I've always felt the show was good about invoking. I don't recall the other screenwriters mentioned as being involved with the spinoffs, but one was Jane Goldman who wrote Stardust (as well as most of Matthew Vaughan's other movies), and I think she'd be a great showrunner for D&E.
Now the one spoilery thing I was wondering at is that the understandable decision of the show not to have "Targaryean eyes" kind of creates some problems in adapting the Dunk and Egg stories, as it's brought up with some Targs like Egg himself as well as Daemon II Blackfyre how even with their hair cut or dyed, how they have distinctive eyes. Now I do think you could get around this because of the fact that as noted, one cut his hair and the other dyed it, and so as long as you show them having silver hair, you're probably good.
Now the other spoilery thing I wonder at though is Bloodraven, since I don't think the show brought up his being a Targaryean and neither of his actors was presented as having albinism nor having the distinctive Portwine Stain that gave him his nickname. Neither is shown as one eyed either for what it's worth. And also wondering about accents. I think it's plausible that Bloodraven would have a Northern accent (in both our world and Westerosi senses), which I think his first actor had but his second obviously didn't. I'd expect the hypothetical D&E show to make canon that Maynard Plumm and Bloodraven are one in the same, and I kind of picture the personal having a Northern accent (and played by Jerome Flynn or Robson Green) regardless of who plays Bloodraven and what accent he has.
Speaking of casting, I don't have any good suggestions for Dunk or Egg, but generally, I kind of picture bringing back Game of Thrones actors in roles that play of of their other roles. Like for example, I could see Harry Lloyd as either the Viserys' like Aerion or else Playing Against Type as the noble Baelor Breakspear.
The one casting I'm kind of set on is Eleanor Tomlinson as Lady Webber.
I don't think they'd be able to handle the tone of Dunk and Egg well. Its simply not dark and miserable enough.
I also don't think they'd be able to handle Bloodraven being the Three Eyed Raven with how they've changed things for the show with his "I've been waiting a thousand years" comment to Bran basically making it difficult to have it make sense, and the fact that every mention of the Blackfyres has been removed, have they even been in any of the DVD extras? The only comment on their existence I can find anyone mention was a blink and you'll miss it moment of them being listed among the Great Houses in season 1 when Ned was looking through the book.
edited 8th May '17 2:10:22 PM by doineedaname
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The trailer is here.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That all you got?
A horde of Dothraki, legions of Unsullied, and three dragons, against the meager remaining might of House Lannister.
Cersei is fucked no matter what she does.
Then again, if the Others breach the Wall, everyone is fucked.
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Not if you believe the leaks. 
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Well if the leaks are true then it's just one last postponement for her. Jamie has left her at the end according to the leaks, so she is literally left with nothing now.
edited 24th May '17 1:09:31 PM by Forenperser
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
That all you got?
Which I don't
Who do they have that will even stop something like that? Highgarden and Dorne are against them, the Lannister numbers have been devastated with the war, the North has slaughtered the Boltons and are now in control of the North again, the Stormlands likely are sitting it out or loyal to Stannis, the Riverlands are in no shape to send help...Unless Cersei somehow lures Dany's entire army into King's Landing and blows it all sky-high with wildfire, there's no way she can fight them off. And since Cersei's wanted the crown since day one, I doubt she'll sacrifice the Iron Throne to do it.
edited 24th May '17 1:10:55 PM by theLibrarian
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The leaks are real. The trailer confirmed them, the scene leaks confirmed them, people on Watchers of the Wall said they were real, Missandei's actress has responded with annoyance about them etc.
This trailer confirmed more of the original leaks, the lads2 leaks and the spoilery script leaks.
There has not been a single leak that the lads leaker has been completely wrong about.
edited 24th May '17 1:15:11 PM by MadSkillz
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@Librarian Anyways to answer your question, Euron is joining forces with Cersei.
The Lannisters forces got beefed up in the show from the beginning so now they have the largest forces in Westeros and Randyll turns cloaks against the Tyrells. The Tyrells only have the second largest army after the Lannisters in the show.
Spoilers for the season:
Euron pretty much wrecks Yara's forces and Dorne. Thats been explicitly confirmed.
And Jaime and Randyll beat the Tyrells and sack Highgarden.
So pretty much only Daenerys' Essosi forces are actually competent and succesful.
edited 24th May '17 1:23:01 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Didn't they also mention that Cersei hires the Golden Company who have been beefed up to 20k men with money from the Iron Bank and sacking Highgarden?
The Unsullied and Dothraki actually being a competent force is the most unrealistic thing the leaks contain.
edited 24th May '17 1:38:08 PM by doineedaname
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Yep. Apparently the the last season is basically the North, the Vale and Essosi forces fighting a two front war against the Others and Cersei+The Golden Company.
One of them anyways.
The other is that Jon's real name is actually Aegon
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That all you got?
Everyone knows that already, though.
Plus how are the Unsullied and Dothraki not being a coordinated force something that's unrealistic? They're both unquestionably loyal to Dany and worked together well enough at Meereen.
edited 24th May '17 2:40:21 PM by theLibrarian
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they're both massively incompetent forces whose only value lies in how shitty everyone else is relative to them. The Unsullied have slaughtered Dothraki while outnumbered 10:1 because they refuse to do anything but charge head on while on favorable terrain.the Dothraki use terrible weapons for fighting well armored targets and fight shirtless. To say nothing of how General Winter will end them.
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It's not that cold yet. It's only snowing heavily in the North.
It's still pretty sunny in the south.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That all you got?
Plus the Dothraki and Unsullied actually fight intelligently. The Unsullied fight in phalanxes, the Dothraki use the "feign retreat" strategy that every nomadic society has done because lightly armored cavalry is shit in pitched battle.
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Whenever the Unsullieds tactics come up I often see it brought up that they are massively out of date for the situation, as well as under-arme and armored for it to be effective. Their shields are also too small to really be effective in the situation. The Bolton spear wall infantry from the season finale pretty much beats them out in every way. The sole value of the Unsullied as a military force is their unflinching obedience and refusal to break, which Dany's lack.
If the Dothraki actually bother to use that tactic. Their most famous defeat which IIRC built the Unsullied's reputation has them charging heavy infantry they outnumbered by 17,000 head on eighteen times with three archer strikes before running away in defeat because their contempt for infantry led to them refusing to use any of the tactics they could have instead.
That all you got?
Again: Lightly armored cavalry is shit in pitched battle. Along with mobility and archery the Dothraki's normal strength is in sheer numbers.
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This is a video by one of the GOT wiki writers:
It was a really good video and links to some of my major complaints of the TV show.
The gist is this:
D & D do not think in terms of characters very much. They think in terms of actors.
"Every time where there is a major change, they consistently describe it terms of "we wanted to give the actor more to do- not the fictional character."
"They impulsively play favorites with the cast."
They do not think through the effects that changes to these changes to the characters have to the story.
They have explicitly stated that they change the roles of characters to fit actors. They pander to the actors.
Shae's role was expanded and changed because they loved the actress. (They even kept submitting her for Emmy nominations)
Ros was given a bigger role because they loved the actress.
Ellaria was given her own storyline because they loved the actress.
Robb Stark was given a bigger role in season 2 because they loved the actor and Talisa's character was changed as a result to give Robb a romance for him to do more acting in.
Missandei and Greyworm were given a romance story with each other because they liked the actors and wanted to give them more to do. They even admit to this.
As a vanity project to stunt cast the actor in their own role and they were both badly rushed. It's only a difference in degree.
The extensive Theon-Ramsay torture scenes in season 3 weren't there because they love gritty but because they love Alfie Allen and Iwan Theon and wanted them to have more scenes to act in.
So why?
edited 28th May '17 2:16:19 AM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
The Unsullied also are supposed to be significantly more fit, agile and skilled than your average Westerosi soldier, and are going to be paired with the most mobile military units in the known world. So if you were to try the turtle to take down the Unsullied, you would be guaranteed to end up surrounded - and that's without even accounting for the dothraki who use bows, as both Attila and Genghis historillacy shown what happens when mounted archers meet heavily armed infantry.
If there is someone with half a brain for military things on Dany's side (like Tyrion), then there is no reason for them not to be efficient as long as they don't have to lay a siege (then again, in this situation, dragons tend to be handy). Sure, taken separately, both dragons, Unsullied and dothraki have crippling weaknesses, but automatically dismissing all of them together (plus whatever reinforcements came from Dorne or Highgarden)? Sounds a bit premature to me.
That statement is salty as fuck. "If I was in their place, I would have done much better, they were just lucky to be handed the rights".
edited 28th May '17 8:33:50 AM by Julep
Both have been considered a joke in the fandom for a very long time.
The Unsullied are physically weaker than the typical Westeros soldier. Physical strength is I'm pretty sure something the Masters outright say the Unsullied lack to Dany.
Dothraki lack basically everything the Mongols and Huns had that made them so dangerous. For example the Mongols had very good armor that iirc tended to be better at dealing with arrows than anyone else had at the time and had heavy cavalry not just light. Whereas the Dothraki don't wear any armor.
The Mongols were incredibly disciplined and organized which the Dothraki never show. A quote from the books implies the Dothraki bows are outranged by Westeros bows IIRC and their ego results in them choosing bad tactics and continuing to use them even as they fail over and over.
I'd rather have literally nothing.
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