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He was also a fully trained jedi that killed all other Luke's pupils and managed to get away with it. Even if you believe he is not fully trained in the dark side, he still should be able to wipe the floor with those two, injury or no injury.
We don't know HOW he killed them. Outright fight, or just stabbed them in the back, or simply swarmed them with overwhelming numbers, nothing says he was a skilled anything, and let's be honest, with everything we've seen.. I think it's pretty clear Ren just kind of sucks at lightsaber combat.
ALSO, we don't know he was 'fully trained' just the he was a student, not how far he had progressed.
edited 10th Feb '16 1:03:59 PM by Seraphem
Yeah, the one shadowy guy, I forgot his name was like, "Send him to me, it's time to finish his training."
Also, why are we suddenly talking Star Wars?
edited 10th Feb '16 2:41:21 PM by BaconManiac5000
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
We just had a recent star wars review.
He was trained enough to be able to stop a blaster fire mid-air, a feat that the only other person in the 6 other movies was able to replicate being Darth Vader. Kylo is not (supposed to be) a shmuck.
I did not say he was. I specifically said he simply wasn't that good as a Lightsaber user, not a Force User in general. He clearly had some pretty damn strong force ability, but the movie out right says he isn't fully trained, and his saber skills definitely seem to need work.
Skill in the force directly translates into skill with a lightsaber.
Dressed to Kill.
Unless this is the movie's way of "fixing" that from the prequels.
It makes fridge sense. Force you can practice alone. But now that he's massacred all the other jedi, who does Kylo have to practice lightsaber sparing with? Maybe the movie's telling us he's gotten rusty over the years. 
The flashback shows that Kylo is clearly not alone in his massacre... as he is surrounded by other similar black robed nardowels!
and he is said to be one of the Knights of Ren...
edited 10th Feb '16 5:52:43 PM by FrozenWolf2
They all find him so whiny they don't want to practice with him.
Thats cause he breaks the computers when he gets mad... you know how many times I've had to redo my porn collection because of him!
That's why you store it in the cloud man...
Oh wait, space... "store it in the 'nebula'"
You know, I'm surprised that he still hasn't reviewed every TNG episode yet.
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
He hasn't reviewed every VOYAGER episode yet. And that's the one he's got the most episodes on!
There's a lot of star trek is what I'm saying.
Indeed.
I saw A Fistful of Datas the other day and was like "I wonder what SF Debris thinks about this?"
And so I looked up his review of it and he hadn't done it yet.
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Fistful of Data is a guilty pleasure of mine. It's dumb, but its really fun.
Same here.
The whole time I was either rolling my eyes or laughing.
Besides, I'm surprised he hasn't done it, since he has a scene from it in his title sequence for his TNG episodes.
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
rollin' on dubs
Evangelion 3.33 is out...just sayin....
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48
Is it as batshit WTF insane is the original ending... either of them?
rollin' on dubs
If you want a giant robot boy meets girl show..go watch Pacific Rim... It has wonders to sate fans both savvy and Fandumb, but Eva is not for the timid....
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48
I know what the hell EVA is.
rollin' on dubs
3.33 is a bit more accessible, but there are the Nightmare Fuel moments. I was spoiled by The Other Wiki and yet I sat there like Dayumn! (It's a case were spoilers just don't do it justice). Mairi is a pleasure to watch, her antics and the voice actor really sell the part. Tiffany Grant IS Asuka and utterly destroys the VA Funimation got for Rei.
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48
Sharknado Warning
Did they try to make it interesting or is it a soul crushingly boring and bad and pretentious and boring (did I mention Boring?) as all other thing Evangelion.
rollin' on dubs
Actually it's interesting, but they kinda go into the plot of Eva and it bogs a little...still it would be good fodder for Sf Debris..
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48
Evangelion is many things
but boring is not one word I would use to describe it
allthough the latest movie was a step way down for me
HISHE has uploaded their opinion of SW 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbpgM-JTang
Anyway, back to SF Debris, new farscape
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edited 10th Feb '16 7:54:37 AM by NateWinchester