Diplomatic documents leaked

^ That's... worrying.

It's sane. It's the same reason why you'll never get an accounting job if you've even so much as been accused of embezzling whether true or not.

A better comparison is getting a job at all if you are a whistleblower. Sure blowing the whistle usually gets investigated and in the cases of real violations prosecuted, but the future of the whistleblower's career is over the second they do it.

It seems to be more akin to suffering the penalty for embezzlement because you discussed someone else's embezzlement case.

"The documents released during the past few months through Wikileaks are still considered classified documents. He recommends that you DO NOT post links to these documents nor make comments on social media sites such as Facebook or through Twitter. Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government."

So, Tom, apparently the guvmint feels you have a poor ability to deal with confidential information because you've participated in threads about the leaks. How does that make you feel? ;)

edited 7th Dec '10 8:25:38 AM by Karkadinn

Poor question, I'm already contracted in for the US Army and as part of my job I get secret level security clearance so I must be trustworthy enough.

It is saying that about jobseekers though. People who already work for the government are being warned of different things iirc.

Still, I'm not American so I wouldn't be likely to work for that government anyway. The rest of you...

When it comes to job seekers talking about something is not the same as posting contents of the leaks and being found.

Additionally, it is illegal in public hiring to discriminate based on ideology so if you posted in just simple conversation "I think they did a good thing" and then applied for a job, it's illegal to disqualify you because of that comment.

However if you said "I think they did a good thing" and then posted materials of the leaks (not news article snippets) then yeah that's not illegal to disqualify from hiring in the public sector. You got access to and posted information that you were not legally supposed to have and thus the trust that you won't do the same to information given to you as part of a government job is broken.

CHANNERS HAVE BEEN SPOTTED IN THE WAR!

so we HAVE been doing more than I thought. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11935539

Damnit, when do they finally get to the cables about UFOs. I want to know the bland and boring truth about it, so I can point and laugh at the UFO conspiracy nutfucks about how wrong they were.

They are not putting this up fast enough!

Eh, you do know how it always goes. No data, they're hiding something. Data, it's a smoke screen.

Every country has classified documents about UF Os. Usually they are along the lines of "A UFO was spotted by enthusiasts near the building where we have our fortnightly government orgies and we have set up additional security in case it's a politician's husband or wife spying from a hot air balloon."

Usually they're covering up stealth aircraft testing rather than orgies, but yeah.

>>Damnit, when do they finally get to the cables about UF Os. I want to know the bland and boring truth about it, so I can point and laugh at the UFO conspiracy nutfucks about how wrong they were.

Uh, during the 9/11 truth movement's heyday, they were going to do the same with a video released of the 'plane' hitting the Pentagon. The video was grainy as fuck and there were other videos not released. IT didnt amount to mush

The hardcore conspiracy theorists will inevitably suffer from True Believer Syndrome, of course, but I think there's a fair number of people who are uncertain about UF Os.

Stupid off topic Completely Missing The Point:

If air traffic control knows it's an alien spacecraft, it's not unidentified.

Film at 11.

EDIT: Link removed. Icky bias.

edited 7th Dec '10 10:10:14 PM by Tzetze

well I was going to go for a government job but with the 10+ wiki leak coverage links on my facebook looks like that's out of the question.

Am I the only one who feels like this is censorship and against the constitution. Last time I checked talking about an issue wasn't a crime, if fact I'm pretty sure it's one of those rights, I hear about.

Usually they're covering up stealth aircraft testing rather than orgies, but yeah.

Careful! You could be releasing classified information saying things like that. I maintain that they contain nothing of any intelligence value except possibly as porn.

Since those cables are basically just inter-government gossip and wikipedia facts we will all be underwhelmed by its content on UF Os anything.

I would still like to see documents from say the British Government or Russia I am curious to see what they have hiding in there closets.

The Guardian - WikiLeaks cables: Shell's grip on Nigerian state revealed

The oil giant Shell claimed it has inserted its staff into all key ministries of the Nigerian government, giving it access to politicians' every move in the oil-rich Niger Delta, according to a leaked US diplomatic cable.

The company's top executive in Nigeria told US diplomats that Shell had seconded employees to every relevant department and so knew "everything that was being done in those ministries". She boasted that the Nigerian government had "forgotten" about the extent of Shell's infiltration and were unaware of how much the company knew about its deliberations.

EDIT: ...Meanwhile, The US State Department defines the meaning of the word "Irony".

edited 8th Dec '10 2:16:38 PM by EthZee

I thought Shell's actions in Nigeria were already known.

^Yes, but evidence.

World Press Freedom Day: They're from the government and here to help! Jesus christ -_-

It strikes me that there are two functions of government secrecy. One is to keep secrets from other governments. The other is to keep secrets from a general populace — which may or may not be the home populace of the country keeping the secrets.

I doubt a single thing in these diplomatic cables was not at least strongly suspected by any major, interested government. If diplomacy is a game of poker, a lot of times the poker players don't actually care if the other players know their cards (or know the secret's impossible to keep) — it's the audience they don't want to see them.

A lot of secrets in these cables are more in the category of "Wouldn't want the populace of <country X> to have official proof of this" rather than "We're fucked if the enemy knows this".

Partly because the leaker didn't have access to the truly top-secret stuff, I suspect.

In fact, given that this one guy gave his info to Wikileaks and got it out fairly easily, I suspect that other disaffected people have long since sold all these secrets to foreign governments anyway.

...Again they fail to prove they have anything worth releasing. I am very disappointed.

Give us something shocking we didn't know or suspect already.

Like Bush is really a cyborg or something.

Or China has plans to become a democracy.

edited 8th Dec '10 7:42:24 PM by MajorTom