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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6576: Dec 7th 2017 at 11:31:49 AM

Russia Is Aiding North Korea With Oil Imports, Ignoring U.S. Efforts To Isolate Kim Jong Un: Report

The price of fuel in North Korea has plummeted over the past month thanks to Russian oil imports, according to reports that suggest Russia is ignoring international efforts to isolate the rogue North Korean regime.

Journalists with the website Asia Press International, which is based in Osaka, Japan, and publishes in English, Japanese and Korean, reportedly said that fuel prices began to fall in November. The reports claimed that the price of diesel had fallen by 60 percent since early November, and the price of gasoline fell by around 25 percent.

The alleged decline in price comes despite U.S. pressure and United Nations Security Council resolutions aimed specifically at cutting off fuel to Kim Jong Un’s regime.

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FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#6577: Dec 7th 2017 at 5:02:08 PM

Given how they're mostly apathetic about the North post-Cold War, they must really be worried KJU is gonna do something stupid....

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6578: Dec 10th 2017 at 5:44:00 AM

The North Korea Debate Sounds Eerily Familiar

The lines of argument employed by the Bush Administration in 2003 and the Trump Administration in 2017 both rely on the same basic elements:

1.The adversary’s actions are increasingly threatening;

2. It would be irresponsible to continue the policy trajectory of prior administrations;

3.The adversary leadership cannot be considered rational;

4. Their intent is not merely regime survival but attacks on the U.S. and allies;

5. International cooperation is inadequate to the threat; and

6.Retaliation after a first strike from the enemy is insufficient—either to deter or to punish.

The administration’s statements strongly prejudice policy toward military action: They have not only drawn a red line, they’ve attached a countdown clock to it. President Trump will either fight a preventive war to disarm North Korea, or will be forced in humiliation fashion to dismantle a scaffold of his own construction, calling into question American security guarantees.

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#6579: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:25:54 AM

Is that talking about Bush's stance on Iraq? Bush was more involved in dialogue with North Korea.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#6580: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:29:58 AM

[up]Correct, this is essentially arguing that the current situation is an analogue to the lead up of OIF, with Trump replacing Bush and Kim taking the place of Saddam.

Except Iraq didn't have the defensive guarantee of a nuclear power...

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#6581: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:29:59 AM

[up][up] From the article:

The Trump White House talking about North Korea sounds eerily and increasingly like the George W. Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq War.

[up] [nja]

Basically, it's like Iraq, except N. Korea actually has WMD.

edited 10th Dec '17 8:30:51 AM by M84

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6582: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:30:10 AM

Meanwhile, South Korea approves budget for 'decapitation unit' targeting North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

Back to Silmido.

edited 10th Dec '17 8:30:28 AM by TerminusEst

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#6583: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:56:42 AM

Iraq never launched missiles over Japan or did the vast majority of things that NK has done.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#6584: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:05:41 AM

Also, Bush was far more popular than Trump was in 02-03, and had the country following him mostly in lockstep on security because of 9/11.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6585: Dec 10th 2017 at 6:18:03 PM

The UN has made contact with Pyongyang and the FM Ri Yong Ho has promised to keep lines open to them for contact.

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#6586: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:25:26 PM

Didn't Bush kind of quietly recanted on how to treat North Korea?

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6588: Dec 12th 2017 at 1:30:10 AM

Fearing the Worst, China Plans Refugee Camps on North Korean Border

BEIJING — A Chinese county along the border with North Korea is constructing refugee camps intended to house thousands of migrants fleeing a possible crisis on the Korean Peninsula, according to an internal document that appears to have been leaked from China’s main state-owned telecommunications company.

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#6590: Dec 12th 2017 at 3:52:47 PM

US 'ready for direct talks with North Korea'

The United States is ready to begin talks on North Korea's nuclear disarmament without prior conditions, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Tuesday.

"We're ready to have the first meeting without preconditions," Tillerson told a meeting on the crisis at the Atlantic Council policy forum in Washington.

"Let's just meet and let's talk about the weather if you want and talk about whether it's going to be a square table or a round table if that's what you're excited about."

This appeared to represent a softening in the US position, seeing as officials had previously demanded that Kim Jong-Un's regime demonstrate a willingness to consider giving up their arsenal.

But elsewhere in his remarks, Tillerson insisted the US-led pressure campaign of economic and diplomatic sanctions would continue until "the first bomb drops."

He stressed that Washington "simply cannot accept a nuclear armed North Korea" and that President Donald Trump "intends to ensure that they do not have deliverable nuclear weapons to (reach) the shores of the United States." (AFP)

Of course this is Tillerson saying this.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6591: Dec 12th 2017 at 5:18:08 PM

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20171211_32/

Some North Korean businesses are closed and some bridges closed, due to maintenance and repairs.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6592: Dec 14th 2017 at 4:02:58 AM

Retired military leaders urge Trump to choose words, not action, to deal with North Korea

TOKYO — A group of 58 retired American military leaders is making a rare public plea to President Trump, urging him not to take military action against North Korea and instead to pursue a diplomatic resolution to the current standoff.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6593: Dec 16th 2017 at 8:14:56 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-42382399

AFP made an arrest on a Korean-Australian accused of violating the WMD Act by being a broker for Pyongyang.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6594: Dec 19th 2017 at 4:53:04 AM

A Tillerson Slip Offers a Peek Into Secret Planning on North Korea

WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson let slip last week a few tantalizing details about one of the nation’s most secret military contingency plans: how the United States would try to race inside North Korea to seize its nuclear weapons if it ever saw evidence that Kim Jong-un’s government was collapsing.

For years, American diplomats have been trying to engage their Chinese counterparts in a discussion of this scenario, hoping to avoid a conflict between arriving American Special Forces — who have been practicing this operation for years — and the Chinese military, which would almost certainly pour over the border in a parallel effort.

And for years the Chinese have resisted the conversation, according to several former American officials who tried to engage them in joint planning. The Chinese feared that if news of a conversation leaked, Beijing would be seen as conspiring with the United States over plans for an eventual North Korean collapse, eroding any leverage that Beijing still held over Mr. Kim.

So it was surprising to Mr. Tillerson’s colleagues in the White House and the Pentagon when, in a talk to the Atlantic Council last week, he revealed that the Trump administration had already provided assurances to China’s leadership that if American forces landed in North Korea to search for and deactivate nuclear weapons, the troops would do their work and then retreat.

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#6595: Dec 19th 2017 at 8:40:50 AM

[up]What a moron. I know we have said that a lot over the last year+, but it bears repeating. Any guesses if Kim will respond publicly?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#6596: Dec 19th 2017 at 10:44:32 AM

Turns out that appointing a rank amateur to be your head diplomat can backfire. Who knew?

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#6597: Dec 21st 2017 at 12:51:55 AM

Another North Korean soldier has defected to SK. And he isn't the only recent defector.

A South Korean defense ministry official said up to 20 warning shots were fired at North Korean troops who approached too closely to the “military demarcation line”, apparently in search of the missing soldier.

Thursday’s defection came about five weeks after another North Korean soldier suffered critical gunshot wounds during a defection dash across the border on Nov. 13.

Two North Korean civilians who were found in a fishing boat on Wednesday had also sought to defect, officials in the South said.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6598: Dec 22nd 2017 at 4:59:06 AM

The US reportedly wants a limited strike on North Korea to give Kim Jong Un a 'bloody nose'

After months of resolutely declaring the US cannot and will not tolerate a nuclear-armed North Korea, the US is reportedly planning a "bloody nose" attack to send Pyongyang a message.

The Daily Telegraph cited "well-placed" sources within President Donald Trump's administration as saying they had "dramatically" stepped up preparations for a military solution to North Korea.

Those possible solutions include destroying a launch site before North Korea tests a missile or targeting a stockpile of weapons, according to the Daily Telegraph.

"The Pentagon is trying to find options that would allow them to punch the North Koreans in the nose, get their attention and show that we're serious," a former US security official briefed on policy told the Telegraph.

Reportedly, the Trump administration has the April 7 strike on a Syrian airfield in mind as a blueprint for the move against North Korea.

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pblades Since: Oct, 2009
#6599: Dec 22nd 2017 at 5:09:41 AM

What's the likely response if US do conduct a raid that doesn't hurt NK's leadership or nuclear stock?

It's still suicide for them to get in a shooting war without blowing up Seoul and Tokyo.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6600: Dec 22nd 2017 at 5:13:56 AM

Counter-attacks in some form I'd presume. There's no telling about the scale of it though.

edited 22nd Dec '17 5:16:02 AM by TerminusEst

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