Dragon Ball Multiverse

Well, he's not wrong.

So we have one Goten, two Gohan's and a Bra.

The last three in particular could be very dangerous to Babidi's plans.

I hope so, it'd be silly if Gohan doesn't get to do something here.

But Cell could very well be stronger than him (really depends on Hirudegarn's strength) so it could just be a waste :/

Also, I don't think I'm a fan of the idea that Babidi can just teleport people around and cut them off. His portal was always connected to his spaceship, and he couldn't just get rid of people because they'd be able to follow him back. Being able to just abandon people is waaaay more powerful.

Hmm.

Well, we can say it's just an asspull, or we can assume this Babidi expanded his repertoire a bit.

I doubt that though. Babidi doesn't seem thoughtful enough to think he needs to do anymore.

Edit: Cell's got his eyes on Gohan (because he knows how much of a threat he is), but didn't take him out right away, which he would have been able to do if he were stronger. So Gohan (both of them) might still be a huge threat.

Even so, Bitch...I mean Bra is still an unknown factor that Cell doesn't know is on the table. So if either Gohan can't take him out, Bra might draw his attention one way or another to let the Gohans go to work.

edited 6th Sep '17 5:46:35 PM by HandsomeRob

Kinda digging how casual everyone is with Zen Buu is this situation. It's like, every party fully recognizes the biggest threat at the moment.

He's already absorbed pretty much everyone he's ever wanted to, hasn't he? I'd imagine trying to absorb anyone except Vegito would be diminishing returns.

Well, we'll find it!

Buu still has pieces of himself in the arena it seems.

How does that make any sense? Unless... he split that part of himself off before he ever touched the arena, thus it was unaffected by the spell.

... okay, well played.

What?

Shin was afraid of Dabura, wasn't he?

I believe that is correct, but I am pretty sure that compared to the other supreme kais he is weaker then most of them.

Indeed. He was stated to be the weakest and most inexperienced Supreme Kai...you know, back when they existed, which they don't now.

THANKS SUPER!

Fat Kai makes a good point. Hard to disagree.

The DB s only work if someone is left alive to make the wish

Still means he's useless as a hostage. Dabura grabbed him and was all "nobody move or the fat guy gets it!"

When Death Is Cheap, the only way they lose is if they actually listen to him. He's useless as a bargaining chip.

Shin was the worst Supreme Kai out of the five.

And that used to be due to lack of experience.

Now it's just because Shin sucks. Once again, Thanks Super.

Not at all. He could simply be the first of many casualties.

If he dies, then the odds of team good worsen, essentially.

It seems like he's confident that the rest of the Supreme Kai will just gank Dabura anyway. He's probably underestimating how powerful Cell is because he's never met him.

Shin claimed he could beat Frieza in a single hit, right, so then 2/3 of the villains under Babidi's control are small fry for the other Supreme Kai. The only actual threats are Cell, 17, and Dabura.

There is also the fact that with the Dragon Ball they only lose if they completely fail. Any casualties can be fixed as long as one person capable of using the dragon ball to revive the casualties survives the fight. Makes doing something very worth the risk when there is a safety net of that caliber available.

I'm not sure whether Dabura is as strong as Super Perfect Cell or just as strong as the Cell from the start of the Cell Games.

Probably definitely not as strong as the alternate universe Cell.

Anyway, Dabura seemed to be someone Shin was more aware of than he was of Cell, so. The Supreme Kais would probably measure Cell in terms of Dabura, rather than the inverse.

I believe it was stated that Dabura was only about as strong as Cell, but it was never clarified if it's Perfect Cell, or Super Perfect Cell in Canon.

When they fought early in the Tournament, Cell purposely scaled to power to Dabura to make himself seem like he hadn't grown any stronger (since they were in the same ball park).

This Cell is a lot more powerful than that though, but it's not clear if he's stronger than either Gohan post Mystic power up.

edited 15th Sep '17 3:22:21 PM by HandsomeRob

Salagir's interpretation is that Dabura is around the ballpark of Cell "at the start of the Cell Games". I'm not sure whether he means at the literal start (ie, the level he was using before he revealed his full power to Gohan) or just before he came back stronger from self-destructing.

And when he fought Cell in the tournament, he was REALLY outclassed.

Of course Shin was more aware of Dabura than Cell. Cell was around on one planet for like, two weeks?

edited 15th Sep '17 9:50:38 PM by Siriel

He shouldn't have been created in the Kaioshin universe, given that Freeza was handled by the Kaioshin & the Saiyans never developed space travel.

edited 15th Sep '17 10:07:02 PM by Saiga

PAF!

Well, at least he gave them an opening.