El Goonish Shive

What change in voice?

Nobody's noticed any chance in voice- and the voice didn't tip off the two idiots before.

Apparently she just has a really androgynous voice.

It's a long-established thing that, in works with text-based dialogue (books, comics, and older/retro-style video games), the sound of a character's voice is never a giveaway of gender. This, of course, being TV Tropes...

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...wait, there's no page for this one yet. Someone get to YKTTW, stat!

edited 19th Aug '14 4:46:03 PM by TotemicHero

It's been established in-universe that Tedd sounds different as a girl, although his male voice can still be perceived as androgynous.

So, we should chalk it up to being one of those "You can't hear/see it, so neither can they," things? (I swear there's a trope for that, can't remember the name.)

Behind the Black, I think.

A while back, I ran into a friend who'd transitioned in the three years since I saw her last, and she asked "Notice anything different?"

I took a look and said, "You shaved!" which was true—completely missing the new breasts.

Voice and such in print formats tend to be things that are only referred to when the story wants to make a point of it, and not really brought up otherwise even in situations where it would have to be in other mediums.

Like Donald Duck in the Disney Ducks Comic Universe. While in animation him being hard to understand is a defining trait, in the comics nobody cares and he is treated as if he talk normally, unless the comic is making a gag about it.

edited 20th Aug '14 1:41:25 AM by KnownUnknown

Comic's running a bit late...

NP!

They think it's all Sketchy... Well it is now!

That's a funny definition of "consent" you have there, Tedd...

Main comic's up now.

Have to say, the shirts really do make it hard to tell.

Did Grace undo her breast augmentation?

They haven't changed from previous pages so I'm not sure what you're seeing.

His middle name is Drew? So he has two nicknames for names? Seriously?

Eddie gets marks for consistency, I'll give him that.

Drew is actually an independent English/German name. Andrew sort of formed out it, when the Germans met the Greek name Andreas.

Or possibly when Drew became the butt of one too many And Zoidberg jokes, and it stuck.

There are a number of real names that look like they should be nicknames like Stanley (at one point I forgot that and was convinced Staneil was a name).

Tedd looks just about the most androgynous he's ever been, here.

At least he finally looks androgynous, as opposed to LOOK AT HIS EYES THAT ARE GIRLY DESPITE NO OTHER GIRL OTHER THAN NANASE HAVING THEM

Yes. Yes, it is.

Today in NP, Tedd demonstrates exactly what I was talking about regarding him not deliberately doing things he would consider unacceptable behaviors, but having very murky ideas of what is acceptable behavior. After building up Tedd's positive qualities, the very first thing he does after entering the story is reveal that he violated Nanase's right to privacy quite some time ago.

My reticence about allowing Tedd access to my form were I female is now vindicated.

edited 20th Aug '14 9:47:34 AM by TobiasDrake

Well, at least we can probably trust Grace not to abuse it.

Also he was acting out of concerns for redundancy, not for any sort of kicks.

And unless it's addressed in the next strip it's going to stand here as a funny cutesy "Oh that lovable scamp," which would have been fine and made sense closer to the comic's beginning where Tedd was funny as a creepy mouthless mad scientist pervert but as someone who has been developed more as an actual person and character we're supposed to on some level sympathize with or at least not hate, it's rather damning and raises questions about his other activities we're not seeing.

But shouldn't he ASK if someone wants a backup?

edited 20th Aug '14 9:57:38 AM by MousaThe14

He did. And then he erroneously assumed that included the backup backup.

This. It demands the question, "What other assumptions are you making about my rights to privacy and consent?"

edited 20th Aug '14 4:13:09 PM by TobiasDrake

I must say, I prefer current fem!Tedd's figure to the more prevalent v5 types.

I would say the say, but somehow it doesn't feel right making that kind of comment considering Tedd is currently a female against her will.

Note: The following is a long-ish post, and I'm tired; I may have missed some items to which I should have responded, or forgotten some points which might have changed my mind on some of the below—my apologies if this is so.

@Tedd's backup of Nanase: Tedd's mistake here doesn't actually seem all that unreasonable to me; it's entirely plausible that his thought process went along the lines of "Susan wanted a redundant backup in Grace, which is a good idea. I have Nanase's form on file, and this would also be useful for her, so for her safety I'll do the same with her form"; in his mind, it's analogous to creating backups of any other data: a new backup mechanism has been brought to his attention, so, thinking of his cousin, he pre-emptively used it for her data.

It's an honest, and apparently well-intentioned, mistake, and Tedd seems to recognise it as such.

I may disagree with Tedd's decision to pre-emptively make a backup of Nanase's form in Grace (but then only really because the "storage" mechanism is another person, and one that has the ability to then use and mix from that form at will), but I really don't think that this as heinous or worrying as is being described here—especially since Nanase had apparently already given him access to her form.

I do think that it might be worth talking with him about what his friends consider to be acceptable uses of their forms.

@32 Footsteps: My apologies for the late reply regarding Tedd's character. To answer now, however:

Again, and speaking for myself, I think that a part of the disconnect between our opinions is the issue of "urges" and "intentions": we differ on that matter (and I'm really not sure of how to argue it one way or another), meaning that we read certain elements differently. While I'm hesitant to label a character as "good" or "evil" (beyond fairly distinct outliers, like Sauron or Gandalf), to my perception Tedd seems like someone that I could like and trust—yes, even after the recent EGS:NP page. I'd likely want to talk to him about use of forms, because his perception likely doesn't match mine, but that done I think that I'd trust him to respect my wishes on the matter.

As to his acting like a "fundamentally warped and perverted egomaniac", I don't agree that he does.

To start with, my opinion depends somewhat on what you mean by "perverted"; given the rest of the description, I take it that you mean it as a pejorative, and not simply "having some unusual kinks"; his transformation fetish doesn't bother me in and of itself. He can be misogynistic at times (and act as such), but I get the impression that he's changing on that score—albeit perhaps slowly.

As to "warped"... Perhaps a little, but not egregiously so, I don't think. (And even then I'm not sure that I see enough ill to use so negative a term as "warped".) He does have some issues, I do think.

As to egomania, I went to check my definition of the term, and found that Wikipedia gives two definitions, leaving me uncertain of which you're using:

The first, which seems to be the more technical, says that it "applies to someone who follows their own ungoverned impulses and is possessed by delusions of personal greatness and feels a lack of appreciation"; this really doesn't seem to me to describe Tedd (we've already discussed restrained impulses, and he doesn't seem to me to think anywhere near that highly of himself, for two points).

The second is "an individual who is intolerably self-centred". I feel that this is partially accurate to Tedd: he can be thoughtless at times. On the other hand, we've also seen examples of him thinking of others, such as his thoughtful birthday gifts for Grace, and (ironically) the incident in this EGS:NP page just last in which he's revealed to have made a redundant backup copy for Nanase of her form: I won't argue against his being misguided in doing so without asking, but he does seem to have been thinking about her rather than himself.

Note, however: I'm not calling Tedd perfect, or a saint, or a hero. I'm not saying that he lacks untoward or worrying traits. My opinion of him simply leans more to the positive than the negative—a part of which is simply personal perspective, I daresay.