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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#102301: Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:12:42 PM

[up]Didn't Simms!Master outright say he'd regenerate into Missy? I mean, that's part of why Missy did what she did. She made sure that Simms had just enough life left in him to make it to the Tardis and regenerate so he'd turn into her. ("Welcome to the Sisterhood.") Or am I missing something?

edited 3rd Jan '18 8:15:26 PM by kkhohoho

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#102302: Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:15:04 PM

Huh.

Also, realized the Minions clip is from a (I think) Polish dub. So to provide context, there's this scientist Professor Flux who uses as assistants versions of himself from the future. The original gets killed and so the future versions are wiped from the timestream.

edited 3rd Jan '18 8:18:17 PM by Hodor2

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#102303: Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:15:20 PM

Well he'd regenerate anyway, whoever stabbed him.

The thing is, that does make it a loop since she could only stab him after she stabbed him.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#102304: Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:50:16 PM

I never really assumed the Delgado Master was the First Master. Quite the opposite, in fact, since we got Crispy Master next and that was the result of him being on the extreme end of his Regeneration cycle.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#102305: Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:59:21 PM

Yeah Delgado is pretty clearly textually the twelfth or thirteenth Master.

Let's not forget we saw him as a pasty little white kid in the flashbacks where he's looking into the untempered schism. You really think that kid grew up to look like Roger Caesar Marius Bernard de Delgado Torres Castillo Roberto?

edited 3rd Jan '18 9:00:01 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#102306: Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:59:49 PM

Yeah, and that was only 5 years after the character's first appearance. In Deadly Assassin, he's said to be at the end of his regeneration cycle.

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#102307: Jan 3rd 2018 at 9:00:37 PM

[up][up][up]Well, yeah. I meant the first one that the Doctor encountered during his adventures. I always assumed that regardless of how many prior regenerations the Master had that the Delgado one was the first one the Doctor met after they both left Gallifrey. Unless you count the War Chief as a literal Proto-Master. Though I guess neither of those is the case anymore.

That also reminds me. Back in the 90's, there was a book with the Second Doctor where he apparently met the Delgado Master for the first time, prior to 3. That one was supposed to be an origin story of sorts, with the Master not being straight up evil or dedicated to killing the Doctor until a freak accident with a black hole involved his wife getting killed (yes, the Master apparently had a wife, don't read too much into it,) and the Master blaming the Doctor for it and vowing revenge. Really not sure what to think of that one.

edited 3rd Jan '18 9:00:56 PM by kkhohoho

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#102308: Jan 3rd 2018 at 9:04:43 PM

I always assumed that regardless of how many prior regenerations the Master had that the Delgado one was the first one the Doctor met after they both left Gallifrey.
I don't really see the importance of the distinction but I also can't fault you for being bugged by that, I guess.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
PurpleDalek Since: Sep, 2011
#102309: Jan 4th 2018 at 10:54:25 AM

The way I see it, Delgado, Crispy, Ainley and Roberts are all the Thirteenth Master (who got into some sort of accident and couldn't regenerate and so started nicking people's bodies) and Jacobi is the first of the Master's second regeneration cycle. So Jacobi is 14, Simm is 15, Gomez is 16 and so on.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#102310: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:02:40 AM

I always thought Jacobi was the second in his new cycle at least. The Time Lords gave him a new cycle, then he scarpered and found his way to Utopia, where he was find as a presumably freshly regenerated and chameleoned child.

PurpleDalek Since: Sep, 2011
#102311: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:16:17 AM

Ah, good point. He'd probably want a new face to go along with his human identify.

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#102312: Jan 4th 2018 at 1:27:44 PM

[up][up]You'd think so, but BF's War Master audios puts a damper on that. They heavily imply that Jacobi was the principal Master for most of if not all of the Time War, so even if the Chameleon Watch turned him into a child, he still would up being Jacobi again.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#102313: Jan 9th 2018 at 8:38:41 PM

I always thought of Crispy as the fourteenth. Delgado was at the very end of his cycle but tried regenerating anyway and instantly regretted it.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#102314: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:02:21 AM

Catherine Tate has not aged at all in the past ten years how is that even possible

Song of the Sirens
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#102315: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:01:21 AM

Patrick Stewart effect of looking older than you are and then just gracefully aging to the point where you are old as you look.

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#102316: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:12:49 AM

[up]Exactly. Same with Steve Martin. And I'm sure there are others I could mention.

Oboeplum Antiheroic antivillain from somewhere really boring Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Antiheroic antivillain
#102317: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:04:40 AM

maybe she's been doing whatever paul mcgann did? He hasn't aged since the mid 90s I swear.

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
PurpleDalek Since: Sep, 2011
#102319: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:33:58 AM

Rewatching Capaldi's early episodes is so weird because his Doctor just looks so wrong with trimmed and sensible hair.

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#102320: Jan 11th 2018 at 8:18:12 AM

Where's the Doctor and why is Malcolm Tucker pretending to be him?

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#102321: Jan 14th 2018 at 7:50:27 PM

Yeah I can't stand season 8's short hair. It's my favourite season, but gosh, I miss the hair.

UltimatelySubjective Since: Jun, 2011
#102322: Jan 19th 2018 at 3:38:47 PM

I enjoyed Big Finish's Loups Garoux. The strength of Turlough is of course is that he's an entirely different anti-hero to the Doctor, and as a companion he surprises you.

Bit of a new take and the ending felt satisfying. Of course the problem with non-visual is the details are muddled and often harder to recall. But there was enough of a plot to remember here.

Only thing I found peculiar was the insane presence concealment the Loups Garoux demonstrated.

Side note: I'm unclear whether the correct french would be Loup Garoux or Loups Garous.

Lavaeolus Since: Jan, 2015
#102323: Jan 20th 2018 at 4:04:16 PM

[up]As far as I know, loup-garou is usually pluralised as loups-garous. Some French words ending in -ou are turned to -oux when you make them plural — but those are exceptions, usually it's -ous.

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#102324: Jan 30th 2018 at 6:19:55 PM

So, anyone remember The Doctor's Daughter? Of how it was a bad 1970's episode done in the late aughties and that the only noteworthy thing about it was the Doctor literally having a Daughter? Well, guess what? The Bus Came Back hard and she's now getting her very own spinoff audios courtesy of Big Finish.

Not sure how to feel about that...


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