Girl Genius

Long-complicated-name snatched Eurosyphinia (sorry for spelling, on phone) because he learned Andronicus from a few years in the future was planning to do exactly that, but drag her forward in time. He meant to return her once her safety was secured, but shit happened.

As it always does. Thank Murphy.

Master Payne believed that Moxana's grief over the loss of Tinka was driving Moxanna insane ... into terminal mechadepression.

It appears that the grief of Andronicus over the loss of Euphrosynia drove him insane.

And there was Embi's 'vow' to see the world before he died. He didn't know how big it was. Andronicus vowed to search forever for Euphorsynia. He apparently didn't know how big forever was, either.

edited 6th Jun '16 7:33:33 PM by GreybeardFan

Pretty much everything that we the audience "know" about Andronicus and Euphrosynia comes from the Storm King opera. We only got a few edited highlights, and there's no guarantee that the guy who wrote the thing was being remotely historically accurate. And even if he originally was, there are hints the current run was staged as part of the Tweedle/Zola conspiracy's attempt to create a "Storm King shaped hole in the world". (OK, there's also the story that Klaus told to Phil the storyteller, but I think that was a complete load of hogwash concealing a message to Gil.)

From Tweedle's brief conversation with Heinrich the Jager, we know that A and E had a romantic relationship, and that she betrayed him in some fashion. And that's it. The vow, the existence of her kidnapper "Ogglespoon", all the rest is still up for debate.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if E's betrayal was Sparky in some fashion, and directly led to A's current condition, whatever that is.

edited 6th Jun '16 9:31:24 PM by Geoduck

The intro to the second book has a few details as well. Centering the treaty around their marriage was her idea, and Andronicus was rather taken with her.

The part that sucked was the Muses weren't able to warn him until it was too late to do anything to stop events. Really, Van Rjinn? There's not wanting clanks ruling the world, and there's preventing something bad the world is still feeling 200 years later.

Although the fact the Immortal Library was founded by Van Rjinn, and the IL's view that the mind must be free, does indicate his probable opinion of wasping in a nutshell.

Have we seen a picture of Euphrosynia? Could it be the "you" is referring to Agatha and (drum roll) she looks like his long lost love? Not exactly an unknown plot twist. Speaking against it is the Muse didn't comment on any resemblance and she (it?) would have seen the original.

If that is Andronicus then he is either on the whole "Don't wake me up let me sleep soundly for a long while" which means that anything will be suffering in the groggy rampage of destruction which will include the alarm clock as the VIP to get or the possible image of Euphrosinia with the pent up libido of a few hundred years of sleep...

And on the plays and stories I guess that it can be between hogwash and a call to Massat which is a lil town in France. It is not like we have those brains for dissection, although I would like some of that coffee now.

There is also a mention of van Rijn being aware he had created something he didn't fully understand. (The Muses told him not to worry about it.) Given recent revelations regarding the Muse of Time, I suddenly wonder if the Muses could have had limited ability to affect major events not because of a deliberate programming restriction or command but because it would actually have broken causality somehow....

The treaty hinging on the wedding is very likely the source of the "prophecy" in the opera that their marriage would bring peace to Europa. Judging from the novelization and what Rerich said, it looks like the Heterodynes got to the wedding and attacked.

I am fascinated to see how we get from there to Andronicus possibly being a life-draining skeleton bricked up and in stasis under Paris.

....My goodness. I just remembered Klaus's fairy tale, where he sets up the ostensible Storm King's father being transformed into a ravening beast by the Heterodyne witch.

The print novels can't be considered 100% canon, but in the relevant scene, the Heterodynes don't have to "get to" the wedding, they're going to be officially attending it. I suspect whatever Euphrosinia did, it happened after she was officially married.

And, of course, when the Kestle in the Catacombs spoke through Carson, it started to tell us who the last female Heterodyne heir was ... and Agatha cut it off. Is it possible that the last girl before Agatha was Euphrosynia?

edited 7th Jun '16 10:23:53 AM by GreybeardFan

Good possibility, that. And if so, female Heterodynes were doubtless as feared as the males . . . and in prior generations just as deranged.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:22:22 AM by AnotherBear

Considering the mysterious gates where time behave weirdly, and the various timey-wimey devices and characters around, I wouldn't be surprised if Euphrosynia was a character we already encountered. Probably not Agatha (Rerich von Billiguethera and other old Jägers would have recognized her), but Lucrezia or Enigma are likely candidates (and Lukrezia may be Enigma/the muse of time, compare the hand here and here).

These might be more likely if Robur is Euphrosynia's father/grandfather/brother...

For the Female of the Species is more Deadly than the Male

I think it's been established that Robur was active about 100 years before the Storm King era, so probably not a father or grandfather.

DK would have recognized Lu if she were Eurosyphinia, though. She was there for two+ years before she got pregnant with Agatha's older brother. No way could she have hidden; even in a new body, her behavior would have given her away. All those bazillion little quirks and such no one ever really thinks about -and which have tripped up many a spy.

Random thought: what if a lack of girls in the Heterodyne line was Sparked not by a preference for male heirs, but a fear of past females in the household.

I beat the bot? Or is it turned off?

Well he seems nice.

edited 7th Jun '16 8:09:10 PM by shigmiya64

Is it possible that they didn't post at the sneaky gate.

Well, who is the conjurer? Van Rijn is my guess. And the half beard of Valois red puts more weight on it being Andronicus.

I do not like the look of that mace.

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Yeah, Van Rijn is a likely candidate for the Conjurer, followed by most of the Heterodyne family. The green glow behind the King, and the "where has he sent me" makes me wonder if he isn't standing in front of one of those mysterious gates (it could go to geisterland, or to Skyfander...)

@Geoduck Got to as in arrived, not as in sneaked/fought their way in.

The comics and novels are the same basic story told in two different formats by the same people. I tend to credit the comic as the main story myself, but it's also worth keeping in mind that some discrepancies may be benefit of further thought on the authors' part. I do consider newly introduced backstory to be pretty solidly canon.

That said, Rerich's the one who implies, in the comic, that Euphrosynia didn't actually marry Andronicus. Though perhaps as long as she didn't leave the wedding with him Rerich doesn't count it.

Today's is quite a sight...!

If Andronicus has been caught in Time, do you think there could be clockroachs around? Or is Mechanicsburg over some sort of size limit that attracts them? Or... the conjurer *sent* him somewhere. Could the lamp have been a target, and Andronicus has just come from the past? We know it's difficult/impossible to send someone back in Time, but we're all going forward, and perhaps accelerating that is easier? I'm still thinking he's more likely to have been trapped in time, and not yet fully understanding what happened to him, but I thought I'd toss the idea out to get chewed on.

While everyone's distracted with His Highness, Madwa's gonna swipe the lantern and escape.

I knew there was gonna be a major twist about Andronicus Valios at some point, but this was not what I was expecting. Holy shit. He's going to initially mistake Agatha for her ancestor, isn't he?

Also, I've gone and updated the assorted characters page since his entry was notably missing.

edited 8th Jun '16 3:38:51 AM by Cronosonic

While the Andronicus page should be with the whole roles as mentioned with the plays at the moment I would have to wait until the page reveals if this is Andronicus or someone else.... like the Tweedle equivalent from the era. After all it might be in that family's blood to pay the Assassins Guild to pay a visit to their relatives.

Eh, we already have Euphrosynia in the character list despite the fact that she's even less mentioned than the Storm King himself, I just figured putting Andronicus' profile with the Knights of Jove section was somewhat overdue at this point.