Girl Genius

Maybe he meant Pinkie? He's not always as bright as he could be.

I actually considered that (though I should think he knows the difference between Agatha and Zola — Zola looks a good 4-6" shorter — but maybe if it was dark...?).

My other, slightly less serious thought, was that he was disguised as that unnamed man for... some reason.

eta: I just had to laugh at myself for the implication that darkness makes people look taller.

edited 25th Nov '15 12:27:25 AM by mona.soyun

Well, my son was telling me about a study that showed people do see things as narrower in the dark and wider in daylight. (Yes, he reads science for fun...)

Maybe Othar was off-camera, so to speak?

'other' problems

rofl

edited 25th Nov '15 4:35:53 AM by ilaine

Yeah. It's true, though. In many, many ways.

Eh, I'm not sure the Foglios are retconning Othar into the chase scene so much as showing Othar with a somewhat elevated idea of his own involvement. I can believe he saw Tweedle drag Agatha off and intended to interfere, but he probably started rather farther away.

Agreed. In his mind, noticing from across the Cathedral and starting to go after is "hot on the heels of".

"Hero of his own story" in his own mind and all out of recognition.

"Other" problems, heh.

But, I have to hand it to Othar for so quickly switching gears from "Self-Directed Hero Narrative" to "Wait, you say what happened? Is everyone OK?"

Now hopefully he can carry the momentum and actually be helpful (or at least not actively unhelpful).

His sudden shift from his normal demented ranting to rational conversation is a little unsettling. For him to actually be helpful would require a liedown.

The novels hint far more strongly that the whole Gentleman Adventurer thing is a facade that he drops when confronted with something he thinks sufficiently important.

And OK, maybe his chasing Tweedle isn't an out-and-out retcon, but the Foglios really should have shown him (and Moloch) on-screen at some point during that whole sequence.

It wouldn't have hurt, but I personally consider "Othar had line-of-sight at some point and is really full of himself" to pretty much cover this one.

On the other hand, I still find it much more seriously annoying that they wrote Agatha and Tarvek's conversation after the rooftop to indicate that he'd already told her Klaus was wasped, when she gave no sign of knowing this information at assorted previous opportunities.

And I don't think that one bothers anybody else here — seems like most considered it easily explained away and/or approved of the decision to prioritize establishing that Tarvek had conveyed the information when he got the chance over previous conversations where it might logically have come up, or actually showing the reactions.

Naw, that's annoying. But at least we know what we're supposed to believe: at some unspecified point, Tarvek somehow communicated his suspicions to Agatha. The story doesn't follow them every second, so it's at least possible, even if it doesn't quite make sense.

In this case, I don't even know what we're supposed to intuit. Othar is just plain not there. Should we assume the possibility of an unseen Othar from now on...? :D

All we have to assume is that he was somewhere he could see Tweedle grab Agatha.

But I don't usually care where he is. :P

I think Othar's in a bit of shock. Two years...!

I wonder if Othar's rewritten his memories a bit. Normal people do that in the real world, and Othar's a prime candidate with his self-image and his story-telling ways.

All he would need is a glimpse of Tweedle grabbing Agatha. Stasis fell a few minutes later, and a slight passage of time within the bubble means that some thought/dreams likely take place. (It'd be cool to view those.) Then he was pulled out and possibly unconscious or only partially awake (based on Vol) for the first bit.

It's entirely possible by the time he was fully conscious, Othar had convinced himself he was totally on the heels of the rogues kidnapping Agatha.

I'd also like to see Bang and Vol in the current timeline.

...I wonder if Pinky is on the 'possible pull-out' list?

Well Othar has been able to jump to and from conclusions due to the whole hero persona.

Or is it me or the whole move looks like the start of a hogtie... but it can also range to some wrestling move I do not know about.

That's just a Boston crab, a pretty simple wrestling move.

PK, it bothers me but I also can't do anything about it, even just in headcanon. :/

Thanks for clarifying the move.

And then time to do some wiki walking but so far I guess I'll settle for youtube for some demonstrations on the moves.

Still glad there are options to check that knowledge now.

We are bound to have some large ham moments or at least some moderated Othar for at least a week.

Edit: Was thinking on the following issue and thought in the GG setting for this: In the case of Sparks and works, as well as non Sparks we are bound to see some real boring stuff, or possibly lame projects but here is the real question. Would you use non Sparks, or low level Sparks that propose real bad ideas, and reassign them to the really interesting project carried out by the brilliant one (that is usually understaffed due to difficulty of the project)? Would it be a possible option on the setting? For example the one low level Spark trying to reinvent the mechanical horse, again, and force said Spark to work on the Reality Warping locator. If not doing the whole Reality Warper mechanism itself.

Any thoughts or comments on this issue?

edited 26th Nov '15 3:00:24 PM by Mauri

I think that's what Klaus was doing, taking lower-level Sparks off redundant (and likely explosive) projects and putting them where they'd actually be helpful.

That uncolored cover preview. So. Many. References.

Link!

So I'm seeing:

A Hugo award, the winslow, Commandments 11-15 (didn't Moses drop and break those?), an Ardsley Wooster action figure, the same Heterodyne lamp/invisibility device Gil had, A triforce sword, Audrey II ... a Hello Kitty Pharaoh? A fish tank (it looks familiar, but I don't remember if I saw it in Girl Genius or somewher else), a Space Invader, a city in a Bottle (Magic reference◊? The Foglio worked for cards in the same set)...

Also, this seems to clearly show :Agatha eventually getting into that Library.

edited 27th Nov '15 1:07:51 AM by Nomophilos

Not seeing: a small, square, innocuous-looking, very complex puzzle box. Would fit in with that company very easily.

The fish bowl is ringing a bell for me too, but darn if I can identify it.

I see the Winslow!

I wonder if the ceiling hangers are shoutouts to Leviathan?

For some reason, that circular window(?) reminds me of a puzzle off one of the The Serpent of Isis games. (The nice Isis.)

That's the fish Gil rescued from TPU. Also, Majora's Mask, the Fiji Mermaid, a narwhal...?, the Maltese Falcon, the Blue Meanie rocket hand thing (haven't thought of that in a good 15-20 years), a space invader, that TV robot thing that looks hella familiar but..., the already mentioned Master Sword mentioned again because the stone has a power cord, a moai, a magic 9 ball (huh?)...