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MattII Since: Sep, 2009
#20701: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:25:41 AM

I was reading through the comments and some of the readers pointed something out. There's no symbol on the doll anymore.
I don't think there ever was a symbol on the doll, that came when he was in his wolf-form.

Obviously Tom's playing up the ambiguity here. I really hope it isn't a case of out-and-out mind control, because it would make Anthony a lot less interesting as a character.
I don't think this is control by telepathy, simply by emotional abuse.

Kilyle Field Primus from Procrastinationville Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Field Primus
#20702: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:58:14 AM

Actually, with regard to the Wild West reference, I was wracking my brains for any quasi-realistic scenario in which a teenager would be protecting a young child from her own parents. And the last time I could see a grown person literally shooting a young child was the Wild West... maybe?

Not that Reynardine is a young child, obviously, but I was hoping to get across how I feel about Annie being able to just hand him over like that, like he's still just a toy and not a living, sentient being. And how the leashing effect puts him just as much at the mercy of the owner as a small child would be at the mercy of whoever's got a gun pointed at them.

...also, kinda interesting that in the latest page she's reacting in some ways comparable to when she ferried Mort across. Pushing back all her emotions to do what needed to be done, before breaking down and crying in Kat's arms. And if she's not even willing to let her hair down that much right now, either she's stronger, or the pressure is greater, or the danger of meltdown is far worse than it would've been with Mort.

edited 20th Apr '15 2:00:18 AM by Kilyle

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Court Dragon
#20703: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:08:23 AM

Those vague triangles worry me, especially combined with her suddenly-stoic face.

Stylistic representation of her pushing her emotions down? Or a representation off someone else pushing her emotions down?

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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#20704: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:59:12 AM

so this is what it looks like from the outside when annie puts her mask on.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#20705: Apr 20th 2015 at 4:41:35 AM

Almost literally.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Maridee from surfside Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#20706: Apr 20th 2015 at 5:18:02 AM

-squishes Annie to her heart-

ophelia, you're breaking my heart
hcobb from http://www.hcobb.com/ Since: Jan, 2001
#20707: Apr 20th 2015 at 5:32:14 AM

Note that the doll doesn't have the symbol.

For example: http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1206

Thank Cthulhu that somebody's finally put a leash on the Apocalypse Maiden.

edited 20th Apr '15 5:34:38 AM by hcobb

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#20708: Apr 20th 2015 at 6:04:10 AM

I thought Tom just doesn't draw the antimony symbol sometimes because it would clutter the design too much, but supposedly it's still there, even when Tom doesn't draw it.

DatLonerGirl Get heckin crabbed from a top secret place Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#20709: Apr 20th 2015 at 6:51:44 AM

Ah man. I was really hoping that she had done a switch. And this page is really frightening, like wow.

Also, Apocalypse Maiden? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? I don't think her powers are so dangerous that she needs to be brainwashed.

edited 20th Apr '15 6:52:27 AM by DatLonerGirl

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#20710: Apr 20th 2015 at 9:02:59 AM

It can't be the bone things because there were five of them. Plus this page was really powerful and having her be controlled cheapens it.

Maridee from surfside Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#20711: Apr 20th 2015 at 9:20:21 AM

...I'm not sure that the original bone spikes were ever about controlling Annie. I think it might've been more about trying to control her powers. What her dad did sent her to the hospital, and the only person who could help her was Zimmy. so it's probably something working on an etheric level. so...some sort of etheric science? enforced nerfing to human?

idk. my theory is that Anthony was working on a way to make it possible for both Surma and Antimony to survive, and he might've been the reason Surma lasted so long.

which. doesn't excuse his emotional distancing and how he's behaving now. he's treating her like an eight-year-old and refusing to interact with the person she actually is. but that's a conversation we've already had.

ophelia, you're breaking my heart
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#20712: Apr 20th 2015 at 10:20:47 AM

[up] I agree; it was pretty clear that Anthony was attempting to suppress her fire elemental side, but either didn't know or care that doing so was making Annie comatose. I suspect that this is still one of his plans, only he's taking a different route, severing her from contact with things that encourage her to explore/develop that side of her rather than trying to actively deny it.

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#20713: Apr 20th 2015 at 10:52:36 AM

Annie has not passed her control of Renard onto her father yet. If she had she wouldn't be able to command his silence. The doll lacking a symbol is not significant.

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MattII Since: Sep, 2009
#20714: Apr 20th 2015 at 11:48:30 AM

Did anyone else see this panel early on where the original background was a grid window?

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#20716: Apr 22nd 2015 at 5:27:57 AM

Now she's just going along with this?

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#20717: Apr 22nd 2015 at 5:30:38 AM

Two panels ago Annie was talking about how hard she was working to not break down. I imagine Kat doesn't want to make that yet more difficult.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#20718: Apr 22nd 2015 at 5:36:10 AM

>wild mass guessTony notices the radio.
>wild mass guessLater we see Annie dropping it into the lake

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#20719: Apr 22nd 2015 at 5:41:02 AM

@Dat Loner Girl: It would be a mistake to take anything hcobb says seriously.

edited 22nd Apr '15 5:41:18 AM by tricksterson

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#20720: Apr 22nd 2015 at 6:29:31 AM

That connection is a great idea, Kat. But, I can't help thinking that a crowbar would be more useful to lever Annie from her current headspace. tongue

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#20722: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:22:57 AM

What time is this set in?

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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#20724: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:38:32 AM

[up][up][up]modern...ish with a heaping bowl of Anachronism Stew.

edited 22nd Apr '15 7:38:46 AM by tricksterson

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Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#20725: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:45:27 AM

It just occurred to me we have never seem a cellphone in the story, have we?


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