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* EvilIsSexy: [[spoiler: Abbey Gray after her FaceHeelTurn.]]
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** For that matter, [[spoiler:Are the Saturdays needlessly putting the world in danger over shortsighted protectiveness, thus making them VillainProtagonists at worst? Especially since WordOfGod confirmed that losing his powers was the only way for Zak to stay firmly on the side of good...]]

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** For that matter, [[spoiler:Are [[spoiler:are the Saturdays needlessly putting the world in danger over shortsighted protectiveness, thus making them VillainProtagonists at worst? Especially since WordOfGod confirmed that losing his powers was the only way for Zak to stay firmly on the side of good...]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: Depicting Kur as evil while linking it to Shiva who is a deity still worshiped in a living religion who is not evil nor whose role as destroyer is detected as a bad thing. Similarly making the Naga AlwaysChaoticEvil when they are also real deities still being worshiped by living religions and known to be as morally diverse as humans and often as helpers of greater gods.
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*UnfortunateImplications: Depicting Kur as evil while linking it to Shiva who is a deity still worshiped in a living religion who is not evil nor whose role as destroyer is detected as a bad thing. Similarly making the Naga AlwaysChaoticEvil when they are also real deities still being worshiped by living religions and known to be as morally diverse as humans and often as helpers of greater gods.
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* RewatchBonus: This show has it in spades, owing to the sheer number of twists in the later episodes.

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* QuestionableCasting: The recasting of the Saturdays for ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', with Creator/BumperRobinson and Creator/VanessaMarshall replacing Creator/PhilMorris and Creator/NicoleSullivan as Doc and Drew, respectively. Ogie Banks replacing Creator/SamLerner as Zak was better received, however.



* WTHCastingAgency: The recasting of the Saturdays for ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', with Creator/BumperRobinson and Creator/VanessaMarshall replacing Creator/PhilMorris and Creator/NicoleSullivan as Doc and Drew, respectively. Ogie Banks replacing Creator/SamLerner as Zak was better received, however.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: There are a couple of these, owing to how little time Season 2 had to explore the characters, and the show's experimentation with GrayAndGreyMorality.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: There are a couple of these, owing to how little time Season 2 had to explore the characters, and the show's experimentation with GrayAndGreyMorality.GreyAndGrayMorality.



* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: The fans were not pleased with the cast redesigns in the ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' {{Crossover}} episode "T.G.I.S.", or the fact that only one of the original voice actors returned.

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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The fans were not pleased with the cast redesigns in the ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' {{Crossover}} episode "T.G.I.S.", or the fact that only one of the original voice actors returned.
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* HillarousInHindsight: The Mondays originated from the black mirror of Tezcatilpoca, come ''WesternAnimation/VictorAndValentino'' we actually have Tezcatilpoca HIMSELF as a main villain.

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* HillarousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight: The Mondays originated from the black mirror of Tezcatilpoca, come ''WesternAnimation/VictorAndValentino'' we actually have Tezcatilpoca HIMSELF as a main villain.
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* HilarousInHindsight: The Mondays originated from the black mirror of Tezcatilpoca, come ''WesternAnimation/VictorAndValentino'' we actually have Tezcatilpoca HIMSELF as a main villain.

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* HilarousInHindsight: HillarousInHindsight: The Mondays originated from the black mirror of Tezcatilpoca, come ''WesternAnimation/VictorAndValentino'' we actually have Tezcatilpoca HIMSELF as a main villain.
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* HilarousInHindsight: The Mondays originated from the black mirror of Tezcatilpoca, come ''WesternAnimation/VictorAndValentino'' we actually have Tezcatilpoca HIMSELF as a main villain.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: While the show has its fans, the general consensus is that it's not much more than this. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: While the show has its fans, the general consensus is that it's not much more than this. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge AudienceAlienatingEra didn't help.
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* GrowingTheBeard: The show, already good, improved when Doyle joined the team. Season 2 took this UpToEleven [[spoiler:with the reveal that Zak was Kur, and the way that it completely changed the cast dynamics.]]

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* GrowingTheBeard: The show, already good, improved when Doyle joined the team. Season 2 took this UpToEleven up to eleven [[spoiler:with the reveal that Zak was Kur, and the way that it completely changed the cast dynamics.]]
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Most people who watched the show only did so just for [[ParentService Drew]].
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**In the ''Beasts of the 5th Sun'' video game, [[FauxAffablyEvil Vincent Vladislav ("V.V.") Argost]] is as vile as his canon counterpart. Argost discovered an ancient Aztec prophecy that the world has already burned through four suns and the current one will be the last if eight beasts are united. Argost decides to take advantage of this by capturing all 8 beasts so he can trigger [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the end of the world]] by [[TheNightThatNeverEnds destroying the sun]] and [[TakeOverTheWorld rule over whatever is left]]. Argost captures each of the 8 beasts one by one, at one point using parasites to [[SlaveMooks brainwash his minions]] into attacking the heroes. Even after his defeat, he states that tomorrow is another apocalypse.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There are a couple of these, owing to how little time Season 2 had to explore the characters, and the show's experimentation with GrayAndGreyMorality.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: There are a couple of these, owing to how little time Season 2 had to explore the characters, and the show's experimentation with GrayAndGreyMorality.
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-->'''Doc:''' Do you want me to start with the Algerian sea centipede, or the Zoroastrian pit of darkness?

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-->'''Doc:''' --->'''Doc:''' Do you want me to start with the Algerian sea centipede, or the Zoroastrian pit of darkness?



-->'''Doc:''' Let me get this straight. You caught up with the crate ''after'' it reached terminal velocity? Was this before or ''after'' the laws of physics stopped working?

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-->'''Doc:''' --->'''Doc:''' Let me get this straight. You caught up with the crate ''after'' it reached terminal velocity? Was this before or ''after'' the laws of physics stopped working?
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* WTHCastingAgency: The recasting of the Saturdays for ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', with Creator/BumperRobinson and Creator/VanessaMarshall replacing Creator/PhilMorris and Creator/NicoleSullivan as Doc and Drew, respectively. Ogie Banks replacing Sam Lerner as Zak was better received, however.

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* WTHCastingAgency: The recasting of the Saturdays for ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', with Creator/BumperRobinson and Creator/VanessaMarshall replacing Creator/PhilMorris and Creator/NicoleSullivan as Doc and Drew, respectively. Ogie Banks replacing Sam Lerner Creator/SamLerner as Zak was better received, however.

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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Vincent Vladislav ("V.V.") Argost]] is the ArchEnemy of the Saturday family and the [[DepravedKidsShowHost eerie host]] of "Weird World" whose lust for power is only matched by his [[FauxAffablyEvil charismatic flair]] for the theatrical. A [[BigfootSasquatchAndYeti Himalayan Yeti]] who years ago spent his days hunting and attacking travelers in the mountains, taking trophies from his kills and [[YouKilledMyFather claiming the lives of Drew and Doyle's parents]] during this time, Argost eventually disguised himself as a human so as to better hunt down the legend of Kur. Argost would go on to steal the Kur Stone from the Secret Scientists in a fight that left 43 of his enemies dead, and years later [[TheChessmaster concocted a series of schemes]] to further bring him clues to Kur, from killing the king of Kumari Kandam and spurring the civilization towards war to assisting the Naga in their murderous plans. Eventually draining the power of Kur from Zak Saturday's doppelganger Zak Monday at the cost of the boy's life, Argost hoped to first conquer, then kill, [[KillAllHumans all of humanity]], and nearly murdered Zak Saturday in the exact same way as Monday in an attempt to achieve his goal of subjugation and extermination of all humankind as his grandest "show" yet performed.

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Vincent Vladislav ("V.V.") Argost]] is the ArchEnemy of the Saturday family and the [[DepravedKidsShowHost eerie host]] of "Weird World" whose lust for power is only matched by his [[FauxAffablyEvil charismatic flair]] for the theatrical. A [[BigfootSasquatchAndYeti Himalayan Yeti]] who years ago spent his days hunting and attacking travelers in the mountains, taking trophies from his kills and [[YouKilledMyFather claiming the lives of Drew and Doyle's parents]] during this time, Argost eventually disguised himself as a human so as to better hunt down the legend of Kur. Argost would go on to steal the Kur Stone from the Secret Scientists in a fight that left 43 of his enemies dead, and years later [[TheChessmaster concocted a series of schemes]] to further bring him clues to Kur, from killing the king of Kumari Kandam and spurring the civilization towards war to assisting the Naga in their murderous plans. Eventually draining the power of Kur from Zak Saturday's doppelganger Zak Monday at the cost of the boy's life, Argost hoped to first conquer, then kill, [[KillAllHumans all of humanity]], and nearly murdered Zak Saturday in the exact same way as Monday in an attempt to achieve his goal of subjugation and extermination of all humankind as his grandest "show" yet performed.performed.
**[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Rani Nagi]] is the Queen of the [[SnakePeople snake race]] known as the Naga, and is obsessed with the [[KillAllHumans utter extinction of all humanity]]. At first allied with V.V. Argost in a search for Kur, Rani Nagi strikes out on her own and causes earthquakes worldwide, threatening to destroy the entire planet's surface and all life on it. Upon discovering Zak Saturday is the current incarnation of Kur, Rani Nagi tries to force the boy to be their GodOfEvil by attempting to slaughter his family then lead a massacre of humankind. When Zak consistently resists her corruption, Rani Nagi turns back to Argost and [[ManipulativeBitch convinces him]] to use his newfound Kur abilities to wipe out the human race, with Rani Nagi later murdering Leonidas Van Rook for standing in her way.
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* EvilIsCool: V.V. Argost is evil, but damn if he isn't cool.

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* EvilIsCool: V.V. Argost is evil, but damn if he isn't cool.a theatrical mastermind who oozes suave and plays the other characters for fools. He's stylish, charismatic, and intelligent and constantly keeps the heroes on their toes.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Season 2 takes place [[TimeSkip six months]] [[spoiler:after the reveal that Zak is Kur]], and at some point during that time the other Secret Scientists [[spoiler:came to the conclusion that the best way to deal with this revelation would be to cryogenically freeze him indefinitely, putting the Saturdays on the run]]. This must have caused a lot of inner turmoil and conflict. However, Season 2 begins InMediasRes with the protagonists already adjusted to their new circumstances, and despite the clear potential for interesting and unique CharacterDevelopment, we never see or hear about what happened during those six months.

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Season 2 takes place [[TimeSkip six months]] [[spoiler:after the reveal that Zak is Kur]], and at some point during that time the other Secret Scientists [[spoiler:came to the conclusion that the best way to deal with this revelation would be to cryogenically freeze him indefinitely, putting the Saturdays on the run]]. This must have caused a lot of inner turmoil and conflict. However, Season 2 begins InMediasRes with the protagonists already adjusted to their new circumstances, and despite the clear potential for interesting and unique CharacterDevelopment, we never see or hear about what happened during those six months.

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* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil V.V. (Vincent Vladislav) Argost]] is the ArchEnemy of the Saturday family as well as the legendary [[BigfootSasquatchAndYeti Himalayan Yeti]]. Taking immense pleasure at murdering hikers to the mountains—two of his victims were Drew and Doyle's parents—Argost becomes obsessed with finding Kur, and acquiring its powers of controlling the world's cryptids. Succeeding at draining the power from [[KidHero Zak Saturday]]'s evil counterpart Zak Monday, Argost directs his attention to him to satiate his lust for power before sending several cryptids to attack capital cities with the [[KillAllHumans mass extinction of humanity]] being Argost's grand theatrical act.

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* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil V.[[BigBad Vincent Vladislav ("V.V. (Vincent Vladislav) ") Argost]] is the ArchEnemy of the Saturday family as well as and the legendary [[DepravedKidsShowHost eerie host]] of "Weird World" whose lust for power is only matched by his [[FauxAffablyEvil charismatic flair]] for the theatrical. A [[BigfootSasquatchAndYeti Himalayan Yeti]]. Taking immense pleasure at murdering hikers to Yeti]] who years ago spent his days hunting and attacking travelers in the mountains—two of mountains, taking trophies from his victims were kills and [[YouKilledMyFather claiming the lives of Drew and Doyle's parents—Argost becomes obsessed with finding parents]] during this time, Argost eventually disguised himself as a human so as to better hunt down the legend of Kur. Argost would go on to steal the Kur Stone from the Secret Scientists in a fight that left 43 of his enemies dead, and years later [[TheChessmaster concocted a series of schemes]] to further bring him clues to Kur, from killing the king of Kumari Kandam and acquiring its powers of controlling spurring the world's cryptids. Succeeding at civilization towards war to assisting the Naga in their murderous plans. Eventually draining the power of Kur from [[KidHero Zak Saturday]]'s evil counterpart Saturday's doppelganger Zak Monday, Monday at the cost of the boy's life, Argost directs his attention hoped to him to satiate his lust for power before sending several cryptids to attack capital cities with the first conquer, then kill, [[KillAllHumans mass extinction all of humanity]] being Argost's grand theatrical act.humanity]], and nearly murdered Zak Saturday in the exact same way as Monday in an attempt to achieve his goal of subjugation and extermination of all humankind as his grandest "show" yet performed.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[DepravedKidsShowHost Vincent Vladislav ("V.V.") Argost]] is a [[FauxAffablyEvil well-spoken, charming]] television show host who uses his status to mask his brilliant schemes in obtaining the power of Kur. Working with his loyal servant Munya, Argost concocts a variety of plans to steal the Kur Stone over the course of 11 years until he succeeds in totally outwitting the Secret Scientists organization, then duels consistently with the Saturday family to track down clues to Kur. Argost will fake defeat to throw his enemies off, manipulate entire civilizations into serving his goals, and uses Cryptid techniques to outpace opponents physically as well as mentally. Revealed to have once been a Himalayan Yeti that repurposed himself to integrate into humanity, Argost eventually convinces Zak Saturday himself into becoming his pupil, encouraging the boy to develop his powers of Kur, then betrays and successfully drains both Zak and his doppelganger's Kur energy to become master of all Cryptids, coming seconds away from completing his goal of destroying humanity and ruling the world.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: While the show has its fans, the general consensus is that the series is not much more than this. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: While the show has its fans, the general consensus is that the series is it's not much more than this. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: While the show has its fan, the general consensus is that the series is not much more than this. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: While the show has its fan, fans, the general consensus is that the series is not much more than this. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: The general consensus of the series. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: The While the show has its fan, the general consensus of is that the series.series is not much more than this. While the dialogue and writing have garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: The general consensus of the series. While the dialogue and writing have seen high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: The general consensus of the series. While the dialogue and writing have seen garnered high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Many consider the show to be too flawed to be more than this. While the dialogue and writing are extremely well-done, the animation is often too ambitious for the budget, and the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: Many consider The general consensus of the show to be too flawed to be more than this. series. While the dialogue and writing are extremely well-done, have seen high praise, the show has still been criticized for having animation that is often too ambitious for the budget, and how the show's pacing goes from slow burn in the first season to incredibly rushed in final half of the second. Being ScrewedByTheNetwork and premiering during the height of CN's DorkAge didn't help.

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