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** When Karen activates the Instant Kill Mode in the Spider-Man suit, Peter immediately refuses to use it, [[ThouShaltNotKill not wanting to kill anyone]]. This would become harsher in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', where [[spoiler:Peter makes it very clear to the Green Goblin that he personally wants to kill him for taking Aunt May's life]].


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** When Karen activates the Instant Kill Mode in the Spider-Man suit, Peter immediately refuses to use it, [[ThouShaltNotKill not wanting to kill anyone]]. This would become harsher in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', where [[spoiler:Peter makes it very clear to the Green Goblin that he personally wants to kill him for taking Aunt May's life]].
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** When Karen activates the Instant Kill Mode in the Spider-Man suit, Peter immediately refuses to use it, [[ThouShaltNotKill not wanting to kill anyone]]. This would become harsher in ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', where [[spoiler:Peter makes it very clear to the Green Goblin that he personally wants to kill him for taking Aunt May's life]].
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** Tony Stark is shown struggling in his newfound role of being a mentor figure to Peter including looking out for his safety and wanting Peter to be better than him. Unfortunately Stark's personality quirks manifest throughout the movie as we see that he doesn't keep up regular communication with Peter, his face to face discussions are filled with snark, he consistently underestimates Peter's enthusiasm and desire to prove himself, and gives the Spider-suit mentoring protocols patronizing names like "training wheels" and "baby monitor". All of which add up to leave Peter and the audience feeling like Stark doesn't really understand him. Plus making it appear to Peter that he was not taking his claims seriously and didn’t inform Peter that he was passing information to the authorities that can take care of Toomes for him which led to the disaster on the ferry.

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** Tony Stark is shown struggling in his newfound role of being a mentor figure to Peter including looking out for his safety and wanting Peter to be better than him. Unfortunately Stark's personality quirks manifest throughout the movie as we see that he doesn't keep up regular communication with Peter, his face to face discussions are filled with snark, he consistently underestimates Peter's enthusiasm and desire to prove himself, and gives the Spider-suit mentoring protocols patronizing names like "training wheels" and "baby monitor". All of which add up to leave Peter and the audience feeling like Stark doesn't really understand him. Plus making it appear to Peter that he was not taking his claims seriously and didn’t inform Peter that he was passing information to the authorities that can take care of Toomes for him which led to the disaster on the ferry.ferry for which Tony puts all the blame on Peter and doesn't acknowledge his own culpability.
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** Ned Leeds [[CompositeCharacter being combined with]] Ganke Lee and given a RaceLift is similar to ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', which made him Asian [[AdaptationNameChange and was renamed]] Ned ''[[{{Irony}} Lee]]'' (although, he was still closer to the comics in his age, personality, role, occupation, and his implied ShipTease with Betty Brant). This also applies to Liz Allan's RaceLift, as the show made her Hispanic while here, she's African-American. Also related to Liz, [[spoiler:the fact that she's related to one of Spider-Man's villains, which comes directly from the comics. However, the movie gives it a spin. While in the comics she's the half-sister of the Molten Man (and later marries Harry Osborn, the second Green Goblin and the son of Norman Osborn), here she's the Vulture's daughter. Something that even long-time Spider-Man fans didn't see coming. Additionally, Liz's ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' counterpart is the biological daughter of that universe's version of [[Franchise/XMen the Blob]].]]

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** Ned Leeds [[CompositeCharacter being combined with]] Ganke Lee and given a RaceLift is similar to ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', which made him Asian [[AdaptationNameChange and was renamed]] Ned ''[[{{Irony}} Lee]]'' (although, he was still closer to the comics in his age, personality, role, occupation, and his implied ShipTease with Betty Brant). This also applies to Liz Allan's RaceLift, as the show made her Hispanic while here, she's African-American. Also related to Liz, [[spoiler:the fact that she's related to one of Spider-Man's villains, which comes directly from the comics. However, the movie gives it a spin. While in the comics she's the half-sister of the Molten Man (and later marries Harry Osborn, the second Green Goblin and the son of Norman Osborn), here she's the Vulture's daughter. Something that even long-time Spider-Man fans didn't see coming. Additionally, Liz's ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' counterpart is the biological daughter of that universe's version of [[Franchise/XMen [[ComicBook/XMen the Blob]].]]



** Given that the movie involves the exploits of [[Franchise/{{Batman}} a young superhero inspired by a wealthy genius superhero that he's fought alongside -- though he wants to prove himself as being heroic on his own --]] one could make a case that ''Spider-Man: Homecoming'' is the best ''ComicBook/{{Robin}}'' movie ever made.

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** Given that the movie involves the exploits of [[Franchise/{{Batman}} [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} a young superhero inspired by a wealthy genius superhero that he's fought alongside -- though he wants to prove himself as being heroic on his own --]] one could make a case that ''Spider-Man: Homecoming'' is the best ''ComicBook/{{Robin}}'' movie ever made.
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** Fans correctly guessed that Creator/KennethChoi would be playing an IdenticalGrandson to Jim Morita in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' shortly after he was cast in the film, rather than a new, unrelated character.
** Many people pretty much called it when it was announced that Creator/MichaelKeaton would indeed play the villain: Adrian Toomes / Vulture. As mentioned above, people figured that it would be done as an ActorAllusion to his already-meta role in ''Film/BirdmanOrTheUnexpectedVirtueOfIgnorance''.
** Many fans figured there would be a ComicBook/CaptainAmerica cameo, noting how Cap has made an appearance in at least one MCU film every year since 2011[[note]]2011 = ''The First Avenger'', 2012 = ''The Avengers'', 2013 = cameo in ''Thor: The Dark World'', 2014 = ''Captain America: The Winter Soldier'', 2015 = ''Avengers: Age of Ultron'' and cameo in ''Ant-Man'', 2016 = ''Captain America: Civil War''[[/note]], with the chances of one being in ''Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2'' or ''Thor: Ragnarok'' unlikely due to both mainly taking place off Earth, leaving ''Homecoming'' as the most likely chance for an appearance. This ended up being confirmed when later trailers showed a scene with Peter's class watching a fitness video hosted by Cap.
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Accidentally disintegrating your employee? Horrifying. Shaking his powdered remains out of his glove? Freaking ''hilarious''.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Accidentally The Vulture disintegrating your employee? one of his underlings? Horrifying. Shaking his The Vulture deadpanning, "[[AccidentalMurder "I thought that was the anti-gravity gun"]], then shaking the underling's powdered remains out of his glove? Freaking ''hilarious''. ''hilarious''.
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** Spider-Man himself can't seem to escape this. Those who love him say that his journey to become a superhero is depicted as [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistically as possible]], his Mentor/Student relationship with Iron Man is adorable, as well as Tom Holland himself pulling off the {{Adorkable}} teenager that Peter Parker is. Those who dislike this version of Spider-Man, however, cite that his relationship with Tony means he lacks what made Spider-Man such a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny novelty when he was introduced]]: A teenager with superpowers acting on his own as a solo hero instead of a sidekick to a more well known hero like the many others his age were at the time. Some go as far as to even call him "[[InNameOnly Iron Man Jr]]" instead of Spider-Man due to the majority of his character, tech, and even villains having Stark-related origins.

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** Spider-Man himself can't seem to escape this. Those who love him say that his journey to become a superhero is depicted as [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistically as possible]], his Mentor/Student relationship with Iron Man is adorable, as well as Tom Holland himself pulling off the {{Adorkable}} teenager that Peter Parker is. Those who dislike this version of Spider-Man, however, cite that his relationship with Tony means he lacks what made Spider-Man such a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny novelty when he was introduced]]: introduced: A teenager with superpowers acting on his own as a solo hero instead of a sidekick to a more well known hero like the many others his age were at the time. Some go as far as to even call him "[[InNameOnly Iron Man Jr]]" instead of Spider-Man due to the majority of his character, tech, and even villains having Stark-related origins.

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* QuestionableCasting: Tony Revolori as Flash Thompson got a bit of this due to his actor being a full two inches shorter than Tom Holland, with the argument being that character's traditional status as the BigManOnCampus and a JerkJock might be a bit harder to portray if Peter's taller and more athletic than he is. This was somewhat mitigated when it turned out that [[AdaptationalIntelligence their approach on the character]] would be a bit different this time around. In the end, the approach taken made Flash a BaseBreakingCharacter, though few criticized Revolori's actual performance.



* WTHCastingAgency: Tony Revolori as Flash Thompson got a bit of this due to his actor being a full two inches shorter than Tom Holland, with the argument being that character's traditional status as the BigManOnCampus and a JerkJock might be a bit harder to portray if Peter's taller and more athletic than he is. This was somewhat mitigated when it turned out that [[AdaptationalIntelligence their approach on the character]] would be a bit different this time around. In the end, the approach taken made Flash a BaseBreakingCharacter, though few criticized Revolori's actual performance.
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** Michelle as a character was hit with this due to the fact that [[spoiler:her nickname is "MJ", effectively making her the MCU version of Mary Jane Watson]]. This has to do with the YouDontLookLikeYou[=/=]RaceLift controversy around casting Creator/{{Zendaya}} for the role, her personality having nothing in common with the character from the comics or the Sam Raimi's films, being a largely original character who is given the initials of an iconic supporting character[[note]]beyond a penchant for sassy remarks (and even those have a completely different style and tone from the comic book) and the implication by the end of the film that she may know Peter is Spider-Man[[/note]] for reasons that largely have to do with stroking buzz. This stings her fans greatly since they really wanted a faithful rendition to the character due to the fact that her portrayal in the Sam Raimi films was also a departure from her comic book counterpart and one that her fans generally greatly dislike at that[[note]]As was the version that was set to appear in ''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'' before she was cut.[[/note]] compounded by the fact that fans are unhappy with the way Marvel's recent editors have handled her in universally reviled stories like ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' taking away hopes that at least the movies would be more faithful.

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** Michelle as a character was hit with this due to the fact that [[spoiler:her nickname is "MJ", effectively making her the MCU version of Mary Jane Watson]]. This has to do with the YouDontLookLikeYou[=/=]RaceLift controversy around casting Creator/{{Zendaya}} for the role, her personality having nothing in common with the character from the comics or the Sam Raimi's films, being a largely original character who is given the initials of an iconic supporting character[[note]]beyond a penchant for sassy remarks (and even those have a completely different style and tone from the comic book) and the implication by the end of the film that she may know Peter is Spider-Man[[/note]] for reasons that largely have to do with stroking buzz. This stings her fans greatly since they really wanted a faithful rendition to the character due to the fact that her portrayal in the Sam Raimi films was also a departure from her comic book counterpart and one that her fans generally greatly dislike at that[[note]]As was the version that was set to appear in ''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'' before she was cut.[[/note]] compounded by the fact that fans are unhappy with the way Marvel's recent editors have at the time had handled her in universally reviled stories like ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' taking away hopes that at least the movies would be more faithful.
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** The scene where Adrian Toomes is making fun of Shocker by saying "...calling yourself Shocker, I'm the Shocker, I shock people." sounds ironically close to the exact same memes the public would say to make fun of {{Film/Morbius}} years later.

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** The scene where Adrian Toomes is making fun of Shocker by saying "...calling yourself Shocker, I'm the Shocker, I shock people." sounds ironically close to the exact same memes the public would say to make fun of {{Film/Morbius}} {{Film/Morbius|2022}} years later.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Shares a [[BaseBreakingCharacter/MarvelCinematicUniverse page with the rest of the franchise]].

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** Spider-Man himself can't seem to escape this. Those who love him say that his journey to become
a [[BaseBreakingCharacter/MarvelCinematicUniverse page superhero is depicted as [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistically as possible]], his Mentor/Student relationship with Iron Man is adorable, as well as Tom Holland himself pulling off the {{Adorkable}} teenager that Peter Parker is. Those who dislike this version of Spider-Man, however, cite that his relationship with Tony means he lacks what made Spider-Man such a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny novelty when he was introduced]]: A teenager with superpowers acting on his own as a solo hero instead of a sidekick to a more well known hero like the many others his age were at the time. Some go as far as to even call him "[[InNameOnly Iron Man Jr]]" instead of Spider-Man due to the majority of his character, tech, and even villains having Stark-related origins.
** Flash Thompson. Outside of the controversy resulting from the race change and casting, the character's AdaptationalPersonalityChange from a JerkJock bully to a RichBitch academic rival to Peter has been controversial. Some feel that it is an interesting change that reflects the social hierarchy seen in today's high schools and that the character remains true to the spirit of the comic version. Others are annoyed that the creators changed so many of his traits and removed his redeeming qualities such as his admiration of Spider-Man and feel that it makes him an InNameOnly character with no depth. It probably doesn't help that the Flash seen in the ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' is much closer to the comics and considered an EnsembleDarkhorse with both fans and detractors of that series.
** Michelle. Many fans liked Zendaya's performance and found her commentary hilarious. Others dislike the character because she was an AdvertisedExtra featured so prominently in promotional materials, but her actual role in the film consists of popping up in a few scenes with a HolierThanThou attitude to make a parting snarky comment that doesn't feel too dissimilar to Flash's bullying. Also there's the issue as to whether she's [[spoiler:MJ or will take on the role of MJ]] which mostly longtime fans of the comics dislike considering she has very little in common
with the rest canonical character. For fans of the franchise]].original character, who feel she was never properly portrayed in previous films, they feel this was a wasted opportunity from Marvel.
** Karen, the spider suit's A.I. is either considered a neat addition or an unnecessary one. Numerous people dislike the fact that the suit has its own A.I. since to them it basically makes him "Iron Man 2.0". However, other people began to like Karen for her human-like behavior, particularly during her and Peter's bonding while stuck in Damage Control's Vault and her encouragement toward Peter to make a move on Liz.
** Tony Stark/Iron Man. A common criticism of the MCU-Spidey movies is that Peter is to depended of Tony and that Tony [[CreateYourOwnVillain is directly or indirectly responsible for the villains']] StartOfDarkness, like with the Vulture in this movie. They also accuse Tony of [[CompositeCharacter taking on Uncle Ben's role]] as ParentalSubstitute as well as [[WolverinePublicity being only forced into the marketing of the movie to sell tickets despite not having a large role]]. Fans like that Tony's role as TheMentor helps to cement Peter's role in the MCU as a logical consequence of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and also point out that Tony's role in the movie isn't that big and that Peter and Toomes have a more personal connection than Toomes and Stark.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Spider-Man himself can't seem to escape this. Those who love him say that his journey to become a superhero is depicted as [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistically as possible]], his Mentor/Student relationship with Iron Man is adorable, as well as Tom Holland himself pulling off the {{Adorkable}} teenager that Peter Parker is. Those who dislike this version of Spider-Man, however, cite that his relationship with Tony means he lacks what made Spider-Man such a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny novelty when he was introduced]]: A teenager with superpowers acting on his own as a solo hero instead of a sidekick to a more well known hero like the many others his age were at the time. Some go as far as to even call him "[[InNameOnly Iron Man Jr]]" instead of Spider-Man due to the majority of his character, tech, and even villains having Stark-related origins.
** Flash Thompson. Outside of the controversy resulting from the race change and casting, the character's AdaptationalPersonalityChange from a JerkJock bully to a RichBitch academic rival to Peter has been controversial. Some feel that it is an interesting change that reflects the social hierarchy seen in today's high schools and that the character remains true to the spirit of the comic version. Others are annoyed that the creators changed so many of his traits and removed his redeeming qualities such as his admiration of Spider-Man and feel that it makes him an InNameOnly character with no depth. It probably doesn't help that the Flash seen in the ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' is much closer to the comics and considered an EnsembleDarkhorse with both fans and detractors of that series.
** Michelle. Many fans liked Zendaya's performance and found her commentary hilarious. Others dislike the character because she was an AdvertisedExtra featured so prominently in promotional materials, but her actual role in the film consists of popping up in a few scenes with a HolierThanThou attitude to make a parting snarky comment that doesn't feel too dissimilar to Flash's bullying. Also there's the issue as to whether she's [[spoiler:MJ or will take on the role of MJ]] which mostly longtime fans of the comics dislike considering she has very little in common with the canonical character. For fans of the original character, who feel she was never properly portrayed in previous films, they feel this was a wasted opportunity from Marvel.
** Karen, the spider suit's A.I. is either considered a neat addition or an unnecessary one. Numerous people dislike the fact that the suit has its own A.I. since to them it basically makes him "Iron Man 2.0". However, other people began to like Karen for her human-like behavior, particularly during her and Peter's bonding while stuck in Damage Control's Vault and her encouragement toward Peter to make a move on Liz.
** Tony Stark/Iron Man. A common criticism of the MCU-Spidey movies is that Peter is to depended of Tony and that Tony [[CreateYourOwnVillain is directly or indirectly responsible for the villains']] StartOfDarkness, like with the Vulture in this movie. They also accuse Tony of [[CompositeCharacter taking on Uncle Ben's role]] as ParentalSubstitute as well as [[WolverinePublicity being only forced into the marketing of the movie to sell tickets despite not having a large role]]. Fans like that Tony's role as TheMentor helps to cement Peter's role in the MCU as a logical consequence of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and also point out that Tony's role in the movie isn't that big and that Peter and Toomes have a more personal connection than Toomes and Stark.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Spider-Man himself can't seem to escape this. Those who love him say that his journey to become
BaseBreakingCharacter: Shares a superhero is depicted as [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistically as possible]], his Mentor/Student relationship with Iron Man is adorable, as well as Tom Holland himself pulling off the {{Adorkable}} teenager that Peter Parker is. Those who dislike this version of Spider-Man, however, cite that his relationship with Tony means he lacks what made Spider-Man such a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny novelty when he was introduced]]: A teenager with superpowers acting on his own as a solo hero instead of a sidekick to a more well known hero like the many others his age were at the time. Some go as far as to even call him "[[InNameOnly Iron Man Jr]]" instead of Spider-Man due to the majority of his character, tech, and even villains having Stark-related origins.
** Flash Thompson. Outside of the controversy resulting from the race change and casting, the character's AdaptationalPersonalityChange from a JerkJock bully to a RichBitch academic rival to Peter has been controversial. Some feel that it is an interesting change that reflects the social hierarchy seen in today's high schools and that the character remains true to the spirit of the comic version. Others are annoyed that the creators changed so many of his traits and removed his redeeming qualities such as his admiration of Spider-Man and feel that it makes him an InNameOnly character with no depth. It probably doesn't help that the Flash seen in the ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' is much closer to the comics and considered an EnsembleDarkhorse with both fans and detractors of that series.
** Michelle. Many fans liked Zendaya's performance and found her commentary hilarious. Others dislike the character because she was an AdvertisedExtra featured so prominently in promotional materials, but her actual role in the film consists of popping up in a few scenes with a HolierThanThou attitude to make a parting snarky comment that doesn't feel too dissimilar to Flash's bullying. Also there's the issue as to whether she's [[spoiler:MJ or will take on the role of MJ]] which mostly longtime fans of the comics dislike considering she has very little in common
[[BaseBreakingCharacter/MarvelCinematicUniverse page with the canonical character. For fans rest of the original character, who feel she was never properly portrayed in previous films, they feel this was a wasted opportunity from Marvel.
** Karen, the spider suit's A.I. is either considered a neat addition or an unnecessary one. Numerous people dislike the fact that the suit has its own A.I. since to them it basically makes him "Iron Man 2.0". However, other people began to like Karen for her human-like behavior, particularly during her and Peter's bonding while stuck in Damage Control's Vault and her encouragement toward Peter to make a move on Liz.
** Tony Stark/Iron Man. A common criticism of the MCU-Spidey movies is that Peter is to depended of Tony and that Tony [[CreateYourOwnVillain is directly or indirectly responsible for the villains']] StartOfDarkness, like with the Vulture in this movie. They also accuse Tony of [[CompositeCharacter taking on Uncle Ben's role]] as ParentalSubstitute as well as [[WolverinePublicity being only forced into the marketing of the movie to sell tickets despite not having a large role]]. Fans like that Tony's role as TheMentor helps to cement Peter's role in the MCU as a logical consequence of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and also point out that Tony's role in the movie isn't that big and that Peter and Toomes have a more personal connection than Toomes and Stark.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Tony comes down hard on Peter [[spoiler:for his involvement in a botched FBI sting]] and for lying to him and going behind his back and hacking his equipment for what he sees, not unreasonably, as a glorified joyride. However, Tony Stark is still not a good mentor to some. He raises unrealistic expectations in Peter, offloading responsibility for Peter onto Happy, who naturally assumes the kid's a low priority, and cutting him loose with a crime-fighting weapon he's given no impression of ever teaching Peter how to use. Peter rightfully points out that Tony did not take him seriously given that [[spoiler:Tony thought a bunch of regular FBI agents would be good enough to take down a guy using advanced alien technology]] and that his "below my pay grade" comment is pretty galling when you consider his own struggles in his solo movies against opponents just as skilled and deadly as Vulture (namely Stane, and especially Vanko).

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* MagnificentBastard: [[Characters/MCUVulture Adrian Toomes]] was once a hard working man who made a living salvaging Chitauri technology from [[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Incident]]. After having his occupation taken by Damage Control, he became a career criminal, taking the moniker [[RazorWings The Vulture]], and turning what was left of his salvaging company into an underground arms dealership, that would steal said technology and sell it to criminals. Toomes made sure not to leave any evidence for government officials to track his operations, while also making sure they aren't too big so that the Avengers would view them as a threat; this process worked great for Toomes and his criminal business lasted for eight years without any problems. However, when he does face a problem in [[Characters/MCUSpiderMan Spider-Man]] he isn't afraid to fight Spider-Man himself on several occasions; Spider-Man barely manages to survive those encounters with him. He is also able to uncover Spider-Man's civilian identity, Peter Parker, simply by analyzing Peter's behavior, and finds an opportunity to intimidate Peter from interfering with his operations. When this fails he sends [[ShockAndAwe The Shocker]] to distract Peter and later fights him for the final time so he wouldn't foil Toomes' latest heist job. Although threatening to kill Peter and his loved ones, it's shown that Toomes greatly respects him, showing gratitude for saving his daughter's life, as well as his own, by not selling out his SecretIdentity in prison, cementing Adrian Toomes as one of the most [[NobleDemon honorable]], yet cunning foes in the films.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[Characters/MCUVulture [[Characters/MCUAdrianToomes Adrian Toomes]] was once a hard working hard-working man who made a living salvaging Chitauri technology from [[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Incident]]. After having his occupation taken by Damage Control, he became a career criminal, taking the moniker [[RazorWings The Vulture]], of the Vulture, and turning [[Characters/MCUCriminalsTerroristsVulturesGang what was left of his salvaging company company]] into an underground arms dealership, {{arms dealer}}ship that would steal and weaponize said technology and to sell it to criminals. Toomes made sure not to leave any evidence for government officials to track his operations, while also making sure ensuring they aren't too weren't so big so that the Avengers would view them as a threat; this process worked great for Toomes and his results in Toomes' criminal business lasted lasting for eight years without any problems. However, when he does face faces a problem challenge in [[Characters/MCUSpiderMan Spider-Man]] he isn't afraid [[Characters/MCUPeterParker Spider-Man]], Toomes takes to fight Spider-Man himself personally fighting the hero on several occasions; occasions, with Spider-Man barely manages to survive those encounters with him. surviving each time. He is also able to uncover Spider-Man's civilian identity, Peter Parker, identity simply by analyzing Peter's behavior, and finds an opportunity to intimidate Peter from interfering with his operations. When this fails he sends [[ShockAndAwe The Shocker]] to distract delay Peter from foiling his latest heist, and later once again personally fights him for the final time so he wouldn't foil Toomes' latest heist job. hero during his caper. Although threatening to kill Peter and his loved ones, it's shown that Toomes greatly respects him, showing gratitude for saving his daughter's life, as well as his own, by not selling out his SecretIdentity in prison, cementing Adrian Toomes as one of the his most [[NobleDemon honorable]], honorable]] yet cunning foes in the films.foes.
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** Is Tony's claim that Captain America went easy on Spider-Man really the truth, or just a {{Gaslighting}} trick used by TheMentor to rein in his plucky over-eager student so as to ensure his authority is not challenged? After all, Tony has well-known ControlFreak and manipulative tendencies, and he misled Peter about the airport battle (saying that Steve went rogue rather than the full details of the Sokovia Accords) and in the end, [[spoiler:passed off Peter's rejection of the Avengers as a SecretTestOfCharacter on Peter's suggestion]]. Or, is it a combination of both (he knew that Cap went easy on Peter, but made sure to point that out in order to control his protege)?

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** Is Tony's claim that Captain America went easy on Spider-Man really the truth, or just a {{Gaslighting}} trick used by TheMentor a MentorArchetype to rein in his plucky over-eager student so as to ensure his authority is not challenged? After all, Tony has well-known ControlFreak and manipulative tendencies, and he misled Peter about the airport battle (saying that Steve went rogue rather than the full details of the Sokovia Accords) and in the end, [[spoiler:passed off Peter's rejection of the Avengers as a SecretTestOfCharacter on Peter's suggestion]]. Or, is it a combination of both (he knew that Cap went easy on Peter, but made sure to point that out in order to control his protege)?
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** The scene where Adrian Toomes is making fun of Shocker by saying "...calling yourself Shocker, I'm the Shocker, I shock people." sounds ironically close to the exact same memes the public would say to make fun of {{Film/Morbius}} years later.
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I seriously doubt that was an in-joke about vultures. If they really wanted to incorporate that fact into the movie, they'd portray Toomes as a mute (which they obviously didn't).


** In the end, when asked Spider-Man's identity by another prison inmate, Toomes opts not to talk. Vultures don't have a syrinx (bird voicebox), so ''can't'' vocalize aloud.

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** Producer Creator/KevinFeige has stated that the film's tone is shooting for something akin to a Creator/JohnHughes movie, [[RecycledInSpace only with superheroes]].
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** Is Michelle a genuine HolierThanThou DeadpanSnarker {{Jerkass}}, or is she just trying and failing to be funny? Some of her actions and the way she says certain lines suggest that Michelle may just be trying to initiate SnarkToSnarkCombat in a good-humored way but is so dry and awkward that it fails and she comes across as mean, in an almost AmbiguousDisorder kind of way (which may even explain why she reads more than she interacts with people). Drawing that picture of Peter and pulling a funny face while he's in detention (which she doesn't have, no less)...? Alternatively, is her behavior toward Peter rooted in an attraction to him that she [[{{Tsundere}} doesn't know how to appropriately act on]]? [[spoiler: The following film confirms all of these interpretations: MJ really does like to be BrutallyHonest, but it comes at the cost of her not knowing how to get close to people and results in her being the outcast she is; and she genuinely has no idea how to put herself out there and confess her romantic feelings for Peter.]]

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** Is Michelle a genuine HolierThanThou DeadpanSnarker {{Jerkass}}, or is she just trying and failing to be funny? Some of her actions and the way she says certain lines suggest that Michelle may just be trying to initiate SnarkToSnarkCombat in a good-humored way but is so dry and awkward that it fails and she comes across as mean, in an almost AmbiguousDisorder [[DiagnosedByTheAudience ambiguous disorder]] kind of way (which may even explain why she reads more than she interacts with people). Drawing that picture of Peter and pulling a funny face while he's in detention (which she doesn't have, no less)...? Alternatively, is her behavior toward Peter rooted in an attraction to him that she [[{{Tsundere}} doesn't know how to appropriately act on]]? [[spoiler: The following film confirms all of these interpretations: MJ really does like to be BrutallyHonest, but it comes at the cost of her not knowing how to get close to people and results in her being the outcast she is; and she genuinely has no idea how to put herself out there and confess her romantic feelings for Peter.]]
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** Fans were thrilled that ''Spider-Man: Homecoming'' would not rehash and do the origin again since fans had already seen the same plot happen twice in both Creator/SamRaimi's and Marc Webb's films and were dreading overexposure and {{Sequelitis}}, and were happy that Marvel found a way to bring Peter into the continuity without doing the origin right off the mark. That said, it ''is'' hinted at when Peter discusses the "stuff going on with Aunt May."
*** Also, the films make changes regarding Peter Parker's background as a high schooler as well as Spider-Man to ensure that these films can be their own thing, as ''The Amazing Spider-Man'' films were criticized for being too similar to the Sam Raimi films as well as making too many callbacks to them, which made those films struggle to have their own identity as a Spider-Man film series.
** The premise being a much more grounded and straightforward story, simply focusing on Peter trying to balance his high school/superhero life, went over well since this part was subject to AdaptationDistillation in the previous ''Spider-Man'' movies.
** Sony, after the conflicting reactions to the ''Amazing Spider-Man'' reboot, choosing to allow Marvel to take creative control over the ''Spider-Man'' franchise (or, at least, the main installments of the film series) was seen as a redeeming move in a large segment of the comic book movie fan community.
** Another complaint about ''Civil War'' and Spider-Man is that given his belief that people like him with superpowers are at fault if they do nothing it is out of character for Peter not to be on Captain America's side. This movie fixes this by establishing that Peter was kept in the dark about what the fight was about and Tony just drafted him and told him that Cap "went crazy".
** After being criticized for a string of fairly forgettable and one-dimensional villains during Phase 2, Marvel gave Adrian Toomes more characterization and depth with many critics calling Toomes' one of the best parts of the movie, continuing the streak of engaging villains that MCU has put out since the start of Phase 3, and he [[spoiler: ''averts'' SuperheroMovieVillainsDie and is only imprisoned.]]
** People who were massively disappointed that Miles Morales didn't get to be the MCU's Spider-Man were pleasantly surprised by a bone that was thrown their way when it turned out that Donald Glover's character is Aaron Davis, and he specifically alludes to wanting to keep his nephew -- who has been confirmed to be Miles -- safe.
** For those who worry about Peter being overreliant with the upgraded suit and web-shooters Stark gave him, the film shows many scenes that prove that he's capable of doing things like still creating and improving his own web fluid despite getting new web fluid, hacking into his own suit and disabling its tracker (with Ned's help), and ultimately saving the day with his old web-shooters and costume.
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** Some fans complained about Stark saying he wants Peter to "be better" than he himself is, apparently missing a decade of character development on Tony's part in the MCU and unaware of the fact that he had already said the same thing to Riri Williams when acting as her mentor in the comics.
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** Tony Stark is shown struggling in his newfound role of being a mentor figure to Peter including looking out for his safety and wanting Peter to be better than him. Unfortunately Stark's personality quirks manifest throughout the movie as we see that he doesn't keep up regular communication with Peter, his face to face discussions are filled with snark, he consistently underestimates Peter's enthusiasm and desire to prove himself, and gives the Spider-suit mentoring protocols patronizing names like "training wheels" and "baby monitor". All of which add up to leave Peter and the audience feeling like Stark doesn't really understand him. Plus making it appear to Peter that he was not taking his claims seriously and didn’t inform Peter that he was passing information to the authorities that can take care of Toomes for him which led to the disaster on the ferry. Not to mention it was basically his fault that Toomes turned to crime in the first place.

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** Tony Stark is shown struggling in his newfound role of being a mentor figure to Peter including looking out for his safety and wanting Peter to be better than him. Unfortunately Stark's personality quirks manifest throughout the movie as we see that he doesn't keep up regular communication with Peter, his face to face discussions are filled with snark, he consistently underestimates Peter's enthusiasm and desire to prove himself, and gives the Spider-suit mentoring protocols patronizing names like "training wheels" and "baby monitor". All of which add up to leave Peter and the audience feeling like Stark doesn't really understand him. Plus making it appear to Peter that he was not taking his claims seriously and didn’t inform Peter that he was passing information to the authorities that can take care of Toomes for him which led to the disaster on the ferry. Not to mention it was basically his fault that Toomes turned to crime in the first place.
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** The dynamic between Peter and Tony especially has some roots in the comics, as they developed a mentor/protegee-relationship in the lead-up to the comic version of ''ComicBook/{{Civil War|2007}}''during their time at the ComicBook/NewAvengers-team. Not only did they share a close relationship similar to the movies, Tony gifted Peter with a high tech armor, the Iron Spider-suit, in the comics. However, some people still point out that Peter was already an adult and a fleshed-out superhero at that time. Still, the ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan''-comics showed Tony training Peter for a short time when the latter was still a teen.

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** The dynamic between Peter and Tony especially has some roots in the comics, as they developed a mentor/protegee-relationship in the lead-up to the comic version of ''ComicBook/{{Civil War|2007}}''during War|2006}}'' during their time at the ComicBook/NewAvengers-team. Not only did they share a close relationship similar to the movies, Tony gifted Peter with a high tech armor, the Iron Spider-suit, in the comics. However, some people still point out that Peter was already an adult and a fleshed-out superhero at that time. Still, the ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan''-comics showed Tony training Peter for a short time when the latter was still a teen.
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** [[spoiler:Pepper Potts' cameo near the end of the movie came out of left field. Even the credits on the ''Homecoming'' posters covered her appearance up! It even was a surprise for her actress, as Creator/GwynethPaltrow revealed during her appearance in ''The Chef Show'' to co-star Creator/JonFavreau that she wasn't aware they were filming that scene for a Spider-Man-movie as they were also filming for ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' at the time.]

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** [[spoiler:Pepper Potts' cameo near the end of the movie came out of left field. Even the credits on the ''Homecoming'' posters covered her appearance up! It even was a surprise for her actress, as Creator/GwynethPaltrow revealed during her appearance in ''The Chef Show'' to co-star Creator/JonFavreau that she wasn't aware they were filming that scene for a Spider-Man-movie as they were also filming for ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' at the time.]]]
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** [[spoiler:Pepper Potts' cameo near the end of the movie came out of left field. Even the credits on the ''Homecoming'' posters covered her appearance up!]]

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** [[spoiler:Pepper Potts' cameo near the end of the movie came out of left field. Even the credits on the ''Homecoming'' posters covered her appearance up!]]up! It even was a surprise for her actress, as Creator/GwynethPaltrow revealed during her appearance in ''The Chef Show'' to co-star Creator/JonFavreau that she wasn't aware they were filming that scene for a Spider-Man-movie as they were also filming for ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' at the time.]
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** The dynamic between Peter and Tony especially has some roots in the comics, as they developed a mentor/protegee-relationship in the lead-up to the comic version of ''ComicBook/{{Civil War|2007}}''during their time at the ComicBook/NewAvengers-team. Not only did they share a close relationship similar to the movies, Tony gifted Peter with a high tech armor, the Iron Spider-suit, in the comics. However, some people still point out that Peter was already an adult and a fleshed-out superhero at that time. Still, the ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan''-comics showed Tony training Peter for a short time when the latter was still a teen.
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** Tony Stark/Iron Man. A common criticism of the MCU-Spidey movies is that Peter is to depended of Tony and that Tony [[CreateaYourOwnVillains is directly or indirectly responsible for the villains']] StartOfDarkness, like with the Vulture in this movie. They also accuse Tony of [[CompositeCharacter taking on Uncle Ben's role]] as ParentalSubstitute as well as [[WolverinePublicity being only forced into the marketing of the movie to sell tickets despite not having a large role]]. Fans like that Tony's role as TheMentor helps to cement Peter's role in the MCU as a logical consequence of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and also point out that Tony's role in the movie isn't that big and that Peter and Toomes have a more personal connection than Toomes and Stark.

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** Tony Stark/Iron Man. A common criticism of the MCU-Spidey movies is that Peter is to depended of Tony and that Tony [[CreateaYourOwnVillains [[CreateYourOwnVillain is directly or indirectly responsible for the villains']] StartOfDarkness, like with the Vulture in this movie. They also accuse Tony of [[CompositeCharacter taking on Uncle Ben's role]] as ParentalSubstitute as well as [[WolverinePublicity being only forced into the marketing of the movie to sell tickets despite not having a large role]]. Fans like that Tony's role as TheMentor helps to cement Peter's role in the MCU as a logical consequence of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and also point out that Tony's role in the movie isn't that big and that Peter and Toomes have a more personal connection than Toomes and Stark.

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