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* QuestionableCasting: Having Leah Remini as a judge was rather... an unorthodox choice, especially when Nigel made it ''very'' clear he longed to be back on the judging panel.
** Another complaint is that the choices for the top 10 dancers for season 17 were nonconventional to say the least. See ShockingElimination.
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** Several finalists have become longtime performers for Lin-Manuel Miranda's projects, including Neil Haskell who was a chorus part in ''Bring It On: The Musical'' and later King George in the tour of ''Hamilton''; Thayne Jasperson who was Samuel Seabury in the original run of ''Hamilton'' and Ariana DeBose, who was a dancer in the original run of ''Hamilton.''
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** Several finalists have become longtime performers for Lin-Manuel Miranda's projects, including Neil Haskell who was a chorus part in ''Bring It On: The Musical'' and later King George in the tour of ''Hamilton''; Thayne Jasperson who was Samuel Seabury in the original run of ''Hamilton'' and Ariana DeBose, Creator/ArianaDeBose, who was a dancer in the original run of ''Hamilton.''
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* WTHCastingAgency: Having Leah Remini as a judge was rather... an unorthodox choice, especially when Nigel made it ''very'' clear he longed to be back on the judging panel.
** Another complaint is that the choices for the top 10 dancers for season 17 were nonconventional to say the least. See ShockingElimination above.
** Another complaint is that the choices for the top 10 dancers for season 17 were nonconventional to say the least. See ShockingElimination above.
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* TheScrappy: Music/JustinBieber hosted the dance crew competition in season 11, and that went over as well as you'd expect. This aired after he went to jail, too.
** Music/JojoSiwa is shaping up to be this. Especially with her obvious favoritism for certain dancers. Plus, although Jojo has a background in youth competitive dance, that's not exactly the most refined professional resume compared to someone like Mary Murphy, Mia Michaels or Shane Sparks.
** Mia Michaels at times, due to her inexplicable singling out of certain dancers. As a contemporary choreographer, she occasionally uses her TrueArtIsAngsty card and single out pretty, young blondes with unnecessarily personal critiques – like telling Season 2's Joy, "Good thing you're beautiful, because that was awful" and accusing Kherington of being too "smiley and glossy" for a very emotional waltz. Many have also noted that she has accused some gifted dancers of being "arrogant" for no reason. Said dancers include Danny Tidwell, William Wingfield and Brandon Bryant, which have prompted some to speculate that Michaels committed some covert racism.
** Brian Freedman is this on a low-key level due to his arrogance, his favouring of dancers who are more like him (highly studio-trained and commercial) as well as his cringeworthy Instagram presence.
** Few would say that Tyce DiOrio is a bad choreographer – even his biggest detractors say he's done some of the studio's best and most diverse choreography – but he is an insatiable LargeHam, which sometimes crosses a line. During auditions, he seems to get especially cruel to dancers more for the sake of making good TV than offering genuine critique.
* TrueArtIsIncomprehensible: Happens quite a bit in Contemporary. Sometimes it works, such as the beloved "Hummingbird" routine form Season 3. Other times... let's put is this way: Season 5 gave us an alien who just [[EarthShatteringKaboom destroyed Earth]]. Now she wants to [[MarsNeedsWomen mate with the last human]] left, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale and won't take "Somebody help me!" for an answer]].
** Season 8 gave us a hip-hop routine that was allegedly about children forced to fight in the war in Uganda. The ''only'' things that even remotely hinted at this, other than the explanation in the intro bit, were the T-shirts for a relevant charity worn by the dancers. At least the audience wasn't the only one left utterly confused by this; the judges were just as befuddled.
** Music/JojoSiwa is shaping up to be this. Especially with her obvious favoritism for certain dancers. Plus, although Jojo has a background in youth competitive dance, that's not exactly the most refined professional resume compared to someone like Mary Murphy, Mia Michaels or Shane Sparks.
** Mia Michaels at times, due to her inexplicable singling out of certain dancers. As a contemporary choreographer, she occasionally uses her TrueArtIsAngsty card and single out pretty, young blondes with unnecessarily personal critiques – like telling Season 2's Joy, "Good thing you're beautiful, because that was awful" and accusing Kherington of being too "smiley and glossy" for a very emotional waltz. Many have also noted that she has accused some gifted dancers of being "arrogant" for no reason. Said dancers include Danny Tidwell, William Wingfield and Brandon Bryant, which have prompted some to speculate that Michaels committed some covert racism.
** Brian Freedman is this on a low-key level due to his arrogance, his favouring of dancers who are more like him (highly studio-trained and commercial) as well as his cringeworthy Instagram presence.
** Few would say that Tyce DiOrio is a bad choreographer – even his biggest detractors say he's done some of the studio's best and most diverse choreography – but he is an insatiable LargeHam, which sometimes crosses a line. During auditions, he seems to get especially cruel to dancers more for the sake of making good TV than offering genuine critique.
* TrueArtIsIncomprehensible: Happens quite a bit in Contemporary. Sometimes it works, such as the beloved "Hummingbird" routine form Season 3. Other times... let's put is this way: Season 5 gave us an alien who just [[EarthShatteringKaboom destroyed Earth]]. Now she wants to [[MarsNeedsWomen mate with the last human]] left, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale and won't take "Somebody help me!" for an answer]].
** Season 8 gave us a hip-hop routine that was allegedly about children forced to fight in the war in Uganda. The ''only'' things that even remotely hinted at this, other than the explanation in the intro bit, were the T-shirts for a relevant charity worn by the dancers. At least the audience wasn't the only one left utterly confused by this; the judges were just as befuddled.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Many of the younger stars managed to get guest spots on various Creator/DisneyChannel series and made-for-tv movies, particularly ''Series/ShakeItUp'' as that show was very dance-centric.
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** Many of the younger stars managed to get guest spots on various Creator/DisneyChannel series and made-for-tv movies, particularly ''Series/ShakeItUp'' as that show was verydance-centric.dance-centric.
** Prominent semifinalists have been spotted in major commercial jobs, including multiple season semifinalist Claire Callaway, who has been a prominent dancer/performer for Taylor Swift's live shows.
** Several finalists have become longtime performers for Lin-Manuel Miranda's projects, including Neil Haskell who was a chorus part in ''Bring It On: The Musical'' and later King George in the tour of ''Hamilton''; Thayne Jasperson who was Samuel Seabury in the original run of ''Hamilton'' and Ariana DeBose, who was a dancer in the original run of ''Hamilton.''
*** While DeBose was the first eliminated in Season 6, she might be one of the most successful alumni from the show. Not only has she played prominent roles in popular musicals, but in 2022 she also won an Oscar for her supporting performance in ''West Side Story.''
** Many of the younger stars managed to get guest spots on various Creator/DisneyChannel series and made-for-tv movies, particularly ''Series/ShakeItUp'' as that show was very
** Prominent semifinalists have been spotted in major commercial jobs, including multiple season semifinalist Claire Callaway, who has been a prominent dancer/performer for Taylor Swift's live shows.
** Several finalists have become longtime performers for Lin-Manuel Miranda's projects, including Neil Haskell who was a chorus part in ''Bring It On: The Musical'' and later King George in the tour of ''Hamilton''; Thayne Jasperson who was Samuel Seabury in the original run of ''Hamilton'' and Ariana DeBose, who was a dancer in the original run of ''Hamilton.''
*** While DeBose was the first eliminated in Season 6, she might be one of the most successful alumni from the show. Not only has she played prominent roles in popular musicals, but in 2022 she also won an Oscar for her supporting performance in ''West Side Story.''
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The show has changed a lot over the years, but one thing the judges have rarely, if ever, done is admit that some dancers simply do not get good choreography – or, more accurately, that some dancers get "winning" choreography. The show even states in the ending credits that the "drawing from a hat" scenes with the styles are staged, and that styles and partners are determined by production. So it's hard to believe that when producers give two dancers, say, a contemporary routine about breast cancer or addiction, or when two jazz dancers get strong choreography with an iconic prop ("the table dance" to "Sweet Dreams") and others get a hip-hop dance with no theme, unmemorable costumes and no flashy lifts or tricks, or a mature ballroom piece that the young audience does not understand, that there aren't some people being pushed by production. As a result, it's easy to see that there were some dancers who were simply not given a chance because their choreography was underwhelming, but the judges would ''never'' insinuate that the choreography isn't impressive.
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*** Just how low was the technical standard? One dancer, Andrea Savalli, was put through to Hollywood and performed fine in the semifinals, but didn't make the finals. The next season, she came back and performed a much more technically refined routine, and was rejected unanimously by the panel for not being strong enough.
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** Mia Michaels has been this at times, especially in retrospective re-watches, due to her inexplicable singling out of certain dancers. As a contemporary choreographer, she seems to occasionally use her TrueArtIsAngsty card and single out pretty, young blondes with unnecessarily harsh and personal critiques – like telling Season 2's Joy, "Good thing you're beautiful, because that was awful" and accusing Kherington of being too "smiley and glossy" for a very emotional waltz despite doing what Jean-Marc wanted. Many have also noted that she has, without explanation or justification, accused some incredibly gifted dancers of being "arrogant" for no reason. Said dancers include Danny Tidwell, William Wingfield and Brandon Bryant, which have prompted some to speculate that Michaels committed some covert racism.
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** Mia Michaels has been this at times, especially in retrospective re-watches, due to her inexplicable singling out of certain dancers. As a contemporary choreographer, she seems to occasionally use uses her TrueArtIsAngsty card and single out pretty, young blondes with unnecessarily harsh and personal critiques – like telling Season 2's Joy, "Good thing you're beautiful, because that was awful" and accusing Kherington of being too "smiley and glossy" for a very emotional waltz despite doing what Jean-Marc wanted. waltz. Many have also noted that she has, without explanation or justification, has accused some incredibly gifted dancers of being "arrogant" for no reason. Said dancers include Danny Tidwell, William Wingfield and Brandon Bryant, which have prompted some to speculate that Michaels committed some covert racism.racism.
** Brian Freedman is this on a low-key level due to his arrogance, his favouring of dancers who are more like him (highly studio-trained and commercial) as well as his cringeworthy Instagram presence.
** Few would say that Tyce DiOrio is a bad choreographer – even his biggest detractors say he's done some of the studio's best and most diverse choreography – but he is an insatiable LargeHam, which sometimes crosses a line. During auditions, he seems to get especially cruel to dancers more for the sake of making good TV than offering genuine critique.
** Brian Freedman is this on a low-key level due to his arrogance, his favouring of dancers who are more like him (highly studio-trained and commercial) as well as his cringeworthy Instagram presence.
** Few would say that Tyce DiOrio is a bad choreographer – even his biggest detractors say he's done some of the studio's best and most diverse choreography – but he is an insatiable LargeHam, which sometimes crosses a line. During auditions, he seems to get especially cruel to dancers more for the sake of making good TV than offering genuine critique.
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** Mia Michaels has been this at times, especially in retrospective re-watches, due to her inexplicable singling out of certain dancers. As a contemporary choreographer, she seems to occasionally use her TrueArtIsAngsty card and single out pretty, young blondes with unnecessarily harsh and personal critiques – like telling Season 2's Joy, "Good thing you're beautiful, because that was awful" and accusing Kherington of being too "smiley and glossy" for a very emotional waltz despite doing what Jean-Marc wanted. Many have also noted that she has, without explanation or justification, accused some incredibly gifted dancers of being "arrogant" for no reason. Said dancers include Danny Tidwell, William Wingfield and Brandon Bryant, which have prompted some to speculate that Michaels committed some covert racism.
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* TheWoobie: Season 5's Evan. The judges' often unnecessary criticism of him (too short, droopy eyes) caused thousands of "Kasprzaktivists" to vote for the poor guy, with him finishing in 3rd and never having been in the bottom.
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** Cheryl Texiera, a semifinalist in the first season, was put through the first round of auditions despite very little technical training experience and was told right to her face that she wasn't a strong dancer, but that they were "casting a show," implying that she was cast for her beauty. The choreographers then acted like it was ''her'' fault that she was ill-prepared for Hollywood week, despite them knowing that she had only two years of hip-hop training. During her rejection for the finals, they gave her a condescending piece of advice to "go to Vegas and be a Britney Spears impersonator," to which Cheryl (who admittedly held a resemblance to Britney) took offence, as it seemed the judges really only cared about her looks.
** Aleksandra Wojda was an early one in Season 2. Her first week, she had an amazing performance. Her second week, she had a so-so performance that landed her in the bottom two. Nigel ripped apart her solo, calling it "juvenile" and "angst-ridden" despite it look like almost every other boilerplate contemporary solo on the show. He also chided her for being nervous and "inarticulate" during her interview, which felt like a KickTheDog moment, considering Aleks hadn't been rude or bratty, just nervous. The next week, Nigel criticized her dancing as lifeless, comparing her to ''The Corpse Bride.'' During the results show, even ''he'' acknowledged that he went too far with that remark and apologized, and praised her for having a better solo and not giving up... and then cut her anyway because she hadn't been strong in previous weeks.
** Season 5'sEvan. The judges' Evan Kasprzak, although this was zig-zagged. He was usually praised for his technique but often unnecessary criticism dogged or on the receiving end of him (too short, lighthearted jabs from the judges about his height, his droopy eyes) caused thousands of "Kasprzaktivists" to eyes, etc. This (possibly) resulted in major vote for brigading, which carried Evan through to the poor guy, with him finishing in 3rd and never top three without ever having been in an appearance the bottom. Although Evan was never ''bad,'' many fans were angry that he found himself in the top finishers of that season, particularly over highly skilled technical dancers such as Kayla Radomsky, Ade Obayami, Janette Manrara and Philip Chbeeb. Extra salt in the wound when Mary Murphy was praising the top four individually for their technique, but about Evan said that he was "one of the most popular" contestants in the show's history.
** Cheryl Texiera, a semifinalist in the first season, was put through the first round of auditions despite very little technical training experience and was told right to her face that she wasn't a strong dancer, but that they were "casting a show," implying that she was cast for her beauty. The choreographers then acted like it was ''her'' fault that she was ill-prepared for Hollywood week, despite them knowing that she had only two years of hip-hop training. During her rejection for the finals, they gave her a condescending piece of advice to "go to Vegas and be a Britney Spears impersonator," to which Cheryl (who admittedly held a resemblance to Britney) took offence, as it seemed the judges really only cared about her looks.
** Aleksandra Wojda was an early one in Season 2. Her first week, she had an amazing performance. Her second week, she had a so-so performance that landed her in the bottom two. Nigel ripped apart her solo, calling it "juvenile" and "angst-ridden" despite it look like almost every other boilerplate contemporary solo on the show. He also chided her for being nervous and "inarticulate" during her interview, which felt like a KickTheDog moment, considering Aleks hadn't been rude or bratty, just nervous. The next week, Nigel criticized her dancing as lifeless, comparing her to ''The Corpse Bride.'' During the results show, even ''he'' acknowledged that he went too far with that remark and apologized, and praised her for having a better solo and not giving up... and then cut her anyway because she hadn't been strong in previous weeks.
** Season 5's
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* WTHCastingAgency: Having Leah Remini as a judge was rather.....an unorthodox choice, especially when Nigel made it ''very'' clear he longed to be back on the judging panel.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Having Leah Remini as a judge was rather.....rather... an unorthodox choice, especially when Nigel made it ''very'' clear he longed to be back on the judging panel.
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* EarlyInstalmentWeirdness: The first season has a completely different vibe than what the show would become known for, for several reasons:
** Most obviously, Lauren Sanchez had the hosting duties, and played a slightly less active role than Cat Deely, serving mostly as an announcer whereas Deely formed a rapport with the dancers and judges.
** No solo dancers were given a ticket straight through to Vegas (or, in the case of Season 1, Hollywood); instead, auditioners were put through to duet AND solo choreography.
** The technical standard for dancers was distinctly lower; female dancers who could barely squeak out a double pirouette and simply tossed their hair around were cast due to their charisma. Similarly, with no hip-hop experts on the panel, strong breakers and poppers were ignored for their specialized abilities, while some people who were merely good "movers" with no technical hip-hop skill were put through, and then judges wondered why they struggled in the coming rounds.
** Hollywood week focused quite a bit more on drama between the dancers, including feuds between roommates and debates about dancers' professional experience, whereas future seasons kept things mostly focused on the dance.
** The overall tone of the show was quite a bit more catty and intense, whereas over the next few years it would distinctly soften and become focused on how unifying and wonderful dance was.
** Most obviously, Lauren Sanchez had the hosting duties, and played a slightly less active role than Cat Deely, serving mostly as an announcer whereas Deely formed a rapport with the dancers and judges.
** No solo dancers were given a ticket straight through to Vegas (or, in the case of Season 1, Hollywood); instead, auditioners were put through to duet AND solo choreography.
** The technical standard for dancers was distinctly lower; female dancers who could barely squeak out a double pirouette and simply tossed their hair around were cast due to their charisma. Similarly, with no hip-hop experts on the panel, strong breakers and poppers were ignored for their specialized abilities, while some people who were merely good "movers" with no technical hip-hop skill were put through, and then judges wondered why they struggled in the coming rounds.
** Hollywood week focused quite a bit more on drama between the dancers, including feuds between roommates and debates about dancers' professional experience, whereas future seasons kept things mostly focused on the dance.
** The overall tone of the show was quite a bit more catty and intense, whereas over the next few years it would distinctly soften and become focused on how unifying and wonderful dance was.
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** Music/JojoSiwa is shaping up to be this. Especially with her obvious favoritism for certain dancers, and her lack of technical dance experience.
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** Music/JojoSiwa is shaping up to be this. Especially with her obvious favoritism for certain dancers, and her lack of technical dance experience. dancers. Plus, although Jojo has a background in youth competitive dance, that's not exactly the most refined professional resume compared to someone like Mary Murphy, Mia Michaels or Shane Sparks.
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. Both shows were dance-focused and came up around the same time, and it's not uncommon to see ballroom finalists who do well here to become troupe members and pros on the other show.
