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** [=K2SO=]: as an Imperial droid reprogrammed by the Rebels, is he any more free, or is he just a tool they use; another weapon against the Empire? Much of his dialogue, such as his line to Jyn ("I'll be there for you. Cassian said I had to") suggests the latter interpretation.

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** [=K2SO=]: [=K2-SO=]: as an Imperial droid reprogrammed by the Rebels, is he any more free, or is he just a tool they use; another weapon against the Empire? Much of his dialogue, such as his line to Jyn ("I'll be there for you. Cassian said I had to") suggests the latter interpretation. Then again, this dialogue is coming from [[DeadpanSnarker K2-SO]], so it's anyone's guess.
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** Saw Gerrera makes up for his [[AdvertisedExtra lack of screen time]] with his [[LargeHam extremely memorable line delivery]] and quotes, to the extent that manages to provide several of the film’s biggest [[MemeticMutation meme lines]] during the few scenes that he is given.

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** Saw Gerrera makes up for his [[AdvertisedExtra lack of screen time]] with his [[LargeHam extremely memorable line delivery]] and quotes, to the extent that he manages to provide several of the film’s biggest [[MemeticMutation meme lines]] during the few scenes that he is given.



** ''Film/{{Solo}}'' would be criticized for giving backstories and explanations for very self-explanatory things, but this had its origins in ''Rogue One'' doing the same thing for points like the Death Star's weak point and the origin of the Rogue Squadron name; audiences had accepted for decades that the Death Star was a really big gun with an obvious design flaw, being a product of the same AwesomeButImpractical style the Empire favors enough to have built something like the Death Star in the first place (in the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' novel ''Literature/DeathStar'', the fatal exhaust port was portrayed as just a dumb mistake and the request to fix it got lost in the bureaucracy), and the "Rogue Squadron" callsign [[RuleOfCool gives all the explanation it needs by sounding cool]]. It worked anyway because these were major things in-universe and, though fans weren't particularly clamoring for explanations of where they came from, there was room to do so anyway, especially in the case of the Death Star's development, which for the most part only had a small handful of attempts at explaining its origin that did little more than [[CallForward remind the audience it would be built down the line]] before [[AbortedArc going nowhere]], and they developed into plot beats naturally enough. It got ridiculous when ''Solo'' tried to continue the trend by giving explanations to trivial things that not only did audiences never see any need to question, but which the crew couldn't come up with explanations for that [[{{Narm}} weren't extremely silly]], like the backstory of Chewbacca's bandolier boiling down to "he put it on" (which just raises the question of why he wore the ''same'' bandolier for several decades) or revealing that Han apparently [[OnlyOneName never had a surname]] until the name "Solo" was given to him by an Imperial recruiter [[LineOfSightName because he happened to be alone at the time]] (which makes audiences wonder why they're supposed to accept names like "Luke Skywalker" as real [[ArbitrarySkepticism but not "Han Solo"]]).
** ''Rogue One'' also caught flak for having a few rather gratuitous references to the animated shows that had run earlier and concurrently to it, like background cameos from Chopper and the ''Ghost'' from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and Saw Gerrera from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' being a major supporting character, which were more or less lost on people who only watched the movies. However, these were just bonuses for savvy fans and weren't distracting or confusing for casual viewers; Saw's role as Jyn's mentor and surrogate father is still completely understandable within the context of the movie to people who hadn't watched ''The Clone Wars'', and the other references were kept in the background for eagle-eyed viewers. ''Solo'' got it worse with major plot points that ''only'' worked [[ContinuityLockout for viewers who'd watched several TV shows or read several books]], most infamously its reveal in the last half-hour that [[spoiler:the Crimson Dawn's leader is ''Darth Maul'' - this was a major plot element clearly meant to [[SequelHook set up for possible future adventures]] rather than just a small bonus for viewers well-versed in Expanded Universe works like the later seasons of ''The Clone Wars'' or ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'', and for anyone who ''wasn't'' it came completely out of left field, since to a casual viewer who'd only seen the movies, Maul's last appearance was getting bisected and thrown down a bottomless pit [[Film/ThePhantomMenace twenty years ago]]]].

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** ''Film/{{Solo}}'' would be criticized for giving backstories and explanations for very self-explanatory things, but this had its origins in ''Rogue One'' doing the same thing for points like the Death Star's weak point and the origin of the Rogue Squadron name; audiences had accepted for decades that the Death Star was a really big gun with an obvious design flaw, being a product of the same AwesomeButImpractical style the Empire favors enough to have built something like the Death Star in the first place (in the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' novel ''Literature/DeathStar'', the fatal exhaust port was portrayed as just a dumb mistake and the request to fix it got lost in the bureaucracy), and the "Rogue Squadron" callsign [[RuleOfCool gives all the explanation it needs by sounding cool]]. It worked anyway because these were major things in-universe and, though fans weren't particularly clamoring for explanations of where they came from, there was room to do so anyway, especially in the case of the Death Star's development, which for the most part only had a small handful of attempts at explaining its origin anything about it that did little more than [[CallForward remind the audience it would be built down the line]] eventually]] before [[AbortedArc going nowhere]], and they developed into plot beats naturally enough. It got ridiculous when ''Solo'' tried to continue the trend by giving explanations to trivial things that not only did audiences never see any need to question, but which the crew couldn't come up with explanations for that [[{{Narm}} weren't extremely silly]], like the backstory of Chewbacca's bandolier boiling down to "he put it on" (which just raises the question of why he wore the ''same'' bandolier for several decades) or revealing that Han apparently [[OnlyOneName never had a surname]] until the name "Solo" was given to him by an Imperial recruiter [[LineOfSightName because he happened to be alone at the time]] (which makes audiences wonder why they're supposed to accept names like "Luke Skywalker" as real [[ArbitrarySkepticism but not "Han Solo"]]).
** ''Rogue One'' also caught flak for having a few rather gratuitous references to the animated shows that had run earlier and concurrently to it, like background cameos from Chopper and the ''Ghost'' from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and Saw Gerrera from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' being a major supporting character, which were more or less lost on people who only watched the movies. However, these were just bonuses for savvy fans and weren't distracting or confusing for casual viewers; Saw's role in this film as Jyn's mentor and surrogate father is still completely understandable within the context of the movie to people who hadn't watched ''The Clone Wars'', and the other references were kept in the background for eagle-eyed viewers. ''Solo'' got it worse with major plot points that ''only'' worked [[ContinuityLockout for viewers who'd watched several TV shows or read several books]], most infamously its reveal in the last half-hour that [[spoiler:the Crimson Dawn's leader is ''Darth Maul'' - this was a major plot element clearly meant to [[SequelHook set up for possible future adventures]] rather than just a small bonus for viewers well-versed in Expanded Universe works like the later seasons of ''The Clone Wars'' or ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'', and for anyone who ''wasn't'' it came completely out of left field, since to a casual viewer who'd only seen the movies, Maul's last appearance was getting bisected and thrown down a bottomless pit [[Film/ThePhantomMenace twenty years ago]]]].

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** Darth Vader, arguably the TropeCodifier, returns in spectacular fashion. [[JustHereForGodzilla Not only is he a major selling point of the movie]], but [[spoiler:he's depicted at his scariest and most brutal here]], reminding audiences of how horrifying he can truly be after years of being mostly known for his status as a pop culture icon than anything (diluted even further by
how popular and heavily-marketed he is with kids).

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** Darth Vader, arguably the TropeCodifier, returns in spectacular fashion. [[JustHereForGodzilla Not only is he a major selling point of the movie]], but [[spoiler:he's depicted at his scariest and most brutal here]], reminding audiences of how horrifying he can truly be after years of being mostly known for his status as a pop culture icon than anything (diluted even further by
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** Wilhuff Tarkin is fairly impressive on its own yet comes off as obviously digitally animated when juxtaposed with real human actors.

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SpecialEffectFailure: Wilhuff Tarkin is fairly impressive on its own yet comes off as obviously digitally animated when juxtaposed with real human actors.
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** Darth Vader, arguably the TropeCodifier, returns in spectacular fashion. [[JustHereForGodzilla Not only is he a major selling point of the movie]], but [[spoiler:he's depicted at his scariest and most brutal here]], reminding audiences of how horrifying he can truly be after years of being mostly known for his status as a pop culture icon than anything (diluted even further by [[MisaimedMarketing how popular and heavily-marketed he is with kids]]).

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** Darth Vader, arguably the TropeCodifier, returns in spectacular fashion. [[JustHereForGodzilla Not only is he a major selling point of the movie]], but [[spoiler:he's depicted at his scariest and most brutal here]], reminding audiences of how horrifying he can truly be after years of being mostly known for his status as a pop culture icon than anything (diluted even further by [[MisaimedMarketing by
how popular and heavily-marketed he is with kids]]).kids).
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* MisaimedMarketing: Some fans of ''The Clone Wars'' don't appreciate that Saw is being dubbed the 'Original Rebel' by advertising, when the entire arc that introduced the Partisans involved everyone including Saw realizing that Steela was better fit as leader (and thus dubbed her the true leader of the Partisans) and that she ''died'' in the battle that ultimately liberated Onderon from the Separatists. Many aren't pleased with her martyrdom being ignored and the spotlight being completely given back to Saw.
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** ''Rogue One'' gives backstories and explanations for very self-explanatory things, like the Death Star's weak point or the origin of the Rogue Squadron name, which would come to be a point of criticism for ''Film/{{Solo}}''; audiences had accepted for decades that the Death Star was a really big gun with an obvious design flaw, being a product of the same AwesomeButImpractical style the Empire favors enough to have built something like the Death Star in the first place (in the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' novel ''Literature/DeathStar'', the fatal exhaust port was portrayed as just a dumb mistake and the request to fix it got lost in the bureaucracy), and the "Rogue Squadron" callsign [[RuleOfCool gives all the explanation it needs by sounding cool]]. It worked anyway because these were major things in-universe and, though fans weren't particularly clamoring for explanations of where they came from, there was room to do so anyway, especially in the case of the Death Star's development,[[note]]About all that had been explained about it in the ''Legends'' continuity was where the initial idea of a superlaser came from, where the campaign of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII'' has you stealing a crystal that apparently goes into powering that laser before abruptly forgetting about the plot point entirely.[[/note]] and they developed into plot beats naturally enough. It got ridiculous when ''Solo'' tried to continue the trend by giving explanations to trivial things that not only did audiences never see any need to question, but which the crew couldn't come up with explanations for that [[{{Narm}} weren't extremely silly]], like the backstory of Chewbacca's bandolier boiling down to "he put it on" (which just raises the question of why he wore the ''same'' bandolier for several decades) or revealing that Han apparently [[OnlyOneName never had a surname]] until the name "Solo" was given to him by an Imperial recruiter [[LineOfSightName because he happened to be alone at the time]] (which makes audiences wonder why they're supposed to accept names like "Luke Skywalker" as real [[ArbitrarySkepticism but not "Han Solo"]]).
** It also caught flak for having a few rather gratuitous references to the animated shows that had run earlier and concurrently to it, like background cameos from Chopper and the ''Ghost'' from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and Saw Gerrera from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' being a major supporting character, which were more or less lost on people who only watched the movies. However, these were just bonuses for savvy fans and weren't distracting or confusing for casual viewers; Saw's role as Jyn's mentor and surrogate father is still completely understandable within the context of the movie to people who hadn't watched ''The Clone Wars'', and the other references were kept in the background for eagle-eyed viewers. ''Solo'' got it worse with major plot points that ''only'' worked [[ContinuityLockout for viewers who'd watched several TV shows or read several books]], most infamously its reveal in the last half-hour that [[spoiler:the Crimson Dawn's leader is ''Darth Maul'' - this was a major plot element clearly meant to [[SequelHook set up for possible future adventures]] rather than just a small bonus for viewers well-versed in Expanded Universe works like the later seasons of ''The Clone Wars'' or ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'', and for anyone who ''wasn't'' it came completely out of left field, since to a casual viewer who'd only seen the movies, Maul's last appearance was getting bisected and thrown down a bottomless pit [[Film/ThePhantomMenace twenty years ago]]]].

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** ''Rogue One'' gives ''Film/{{Solo}}'' would be criticized for giving backstories and explanations for very self-explanatory things, but this had its origins in ''Rogue One'' doing the same thing for points like the Death Star's weak point or and the origin of the Rogue Squadron name, which would come to be a point of criticism for ''Film/{{Solo}}''; name; audiences had accepted for decades that the Death Star was a really big gun with an obvious design flaw, being a product of the same AwesomeButImpractical style the Empire favors enough to have built something like the Death Star in the first place (in the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' novel ''Literature/DeathStar'', the fatal exhaust port was portrayed as just a dumb mistake and the request to fix it got lost in the bureaucracy), and the "Rogue Squadron" callsign [[RuleOfCool gives all the explanation it needs by sounding cool]]. It worked anyway because these were major things in-universe and, though fans weren't particularly clamoring for explanations of where they came from, there was room to do so anyway, especially in the case of the Death Star's development,[[note]]About all development, which for the most part only had a small handful of attempts at explaining its origin that had been explained about it in did little more than [[CallForward remind the ''Legends'' continuity was where audience it would be built down the initial idea of a superlaser came from, where the campaign of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII'' has you stealing a crystal that apparently goes into powering that laser line]] before abruptly forgetting about the plot point entirely.[[/note]] [[AbortedArc going nowhere]], and they developed into plot beats naturally enough. It got ridiculous when ''Solo'' tried to continue the trend by giving explanations to trivial things that not only did audiences never see any need to question, but which the crew couldn't come up with explanations for that [[{{Narm}} weren't extremely silly]], like the backstory of Chewbacca's bandolier boiling down to "he put it on" (which just raises the question of why he wore the ''same'' bandolier for several decades) or revealing that Han apparently [[OnlyOneName never had a surname]] until the name "Solo" was given to him by an Imperial recruiter [[LineOfSightName because he happened to be alone at the time]] (which makes audiences wonder why they're supposed to accept names like "Luke Skywalker" as real [[ArbitrarySkepticism but not "Han Solo"]]).
** It ''Rogue One'' also caught flak for having a few rather gratuitous references to the animated shows that had run earlier and concurrently to it, like background cameos from Chopper and the ''Ghost'' from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and Saw Gerrera from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' being a major supporting character, which were more or less lost on people who only watched the movies. However, these were just bonuses for savvy fans and weren't distracting or confusing for casual viewers; Saw's role as Jyn's mentor and surrogate father is still completely understandable within the context of the movie to people who hadn't watched ''The Clone Wars'', and the other references were kept in the background for eagle-eyed viewers. ''Solo'' got it worse with major plot points that ''only'' worked [[ContinuityLockout for viewers who'd watched several TV shows or read several books]], most infamously its reveal in the last half-hour that [[spoiler:the Crimson Dawn's leader is ''Darth Maul'' - this was a major plot element clearly meant to [[SequelHook set up for possible future adventures]] rather than just a small bonus for viewers well-versed in Expanded Universe works like the later seasons of ''The Clone Wars'' or ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'', and for anyone who ''wasn't'' it came completely out of left field, since to a casual viewer who'd only seen the movies, Maul's last appearance was getting bisected and thrown down a bottomless pit [[Film/ThePhantomMenace twenty years ago]]]].
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* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:The entire main cast to varying degrees, given that they died sticking it to the Empire, but particularly Chirrut, Baze, and Kaytoo. Also Admiral Raddus, the only guy in the Rebellion brass willing to take the fight to the Empire.]]

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* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:The entire main cast to varying degrees, given that they died sticking it to the Empire, but particularly Chirrut, Baze, and Kaytoo. Also Admiral Raddus, the only guy in the Rebellion brass willing to take the fight to the Empire. And Antoc Merrick (aka Blue Leader), who's just as eager to go into battle.]]

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* QuestionableCasting: Despite Creator/StephenStanton having played Tarkin in [[WesternAnimation/TheCloneWars both]] of his [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels animated appearances]], [[http://knmakeup.com/v-web/gallery/albums/MensGrooming/photo_3_17.jpg looking a bit like Peter Cushing]], and being present to voice Admiral Raddus, he doesn't play the Grand Moff in this film. Instead, the character is portrayed by Guy Henry, with CushinIig's face recreated with CGI. For what it's worth, Stanton has voiced nothing but approval for Henry's portrayal and the technology that went into it.



* WTHCastingAgency: Despite Creator/StephenStanton having played Tarkin in [[WesternAnimation/TheCloneWars both]] of his [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels animated appearances]], [[http://knmakeup.com/v-web/gallery/albums/MensGrooming/photo_3_17.jpg looking a bit like Peter Cushing]], and being present to voice Admiral Raddus, he doesn't play the Grand Moff in this film. Instead, the character is portrayed by Guy Henry, with Cushing's face recreated with CGI. For what it's worth, Stanton has voiced nothing but approval for Henry's portrayal and the technology that went into it.
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** The heavy use of CGI face replacements to feature actors who'd either aged out of their roles, or died, was praised at the time. Arguments about their potential future use and compensation for them would become a major sticking point for the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike, with studios including Disney refusing repeatedly to back down on a "if we scan your face we can do whatever we want for free" attitude.
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* CharacterRerailment: After the prequel trilogy focused more on Anakin/Vader's sympathetic side and the angst that he went through, this movie is the first one in years to portray Darth Vader as a terrifying force of nature like he was in ''A New Hope'' and ''The Empire Strikes Back'', further updated to 2016 standards of NightmareFuel.

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* CharacterRerailment: After ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' and the prequel trilogy focused more on Anakin/Vader's sympathetic side and the angst that he went through, this movie is the first one in years to portray Darth Vader as a terrifying force of nature like he was in ''A New Hope'' and ''The Empire Strikes Back'', further updated to 2016 standards of NightmareFuel.

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* StockFootageFailure: The Red and Gold Leaders reappear through archival footage. Unfortunately, these shots have a noticeably different quality to them (mostly because they're much more grainy) compared to the rest of the film, which sets them apart and makes it obvious that they're both from a different movie.



** The Red and Gold Leaders reappear through archival footage. Unfortunately, these shots have a noticeably different quality to them (mostly because they're much more grainy) compared to the rest of the film, which sets them apart and makes it obvious that they're both from a different movie.
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The trope has been eliminated.


* EvilIsSexy: Director Orson Krennic. Part of it's from being played by Creator/BenMendelsohn. The rest is to do with his swanky outfit, an all white ensemble complete with a full cape.
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** Wilhuff Tarkin sanctions the [[spoiler:obliteration of rebel city Jedha and claims the victory as his own. Tarkin later has the Death Star fire on the [[spoiler:Imperial base on Scarif to quell rebel activity, killing countless members of the Empire's own men as well as his hated rival Orson Krennic, while also wiping out the remainder of Rogue One and Blue Squadron]].

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** Wilhuff Tarkin sanctions the [[spoiler:obliteration of rebel city Jedha and claims the victory as his own.own]]. Tarkin later has the Death Star fire on the [[spoiler:Imperial base on Scarif to quell rebel activity, killing countless members of the Empire's own men as well as his hated rival Orson Krennic, while also wiping out the remainder of Rogue One and Blue Squadron]].

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It's possible that they will eventually get their own series, or some other form of representation, but until if/when that happens, for now I decided to just remove this, as the rest of the entry otherwise stands up fine on its own.


** There's some opinion that, while all of the main cast are interesting -- Chirrut and Baze as former temple guardians and Bodhi as a defecting Imperial pilot in particular -- we never really get to know too much about them or their backstories [[spoiler:and since they're all killed off by the end, we likely never will.]]
** Or not, since Cassian at least is getting [[Series/Andor a spinoff]]. It's possible that other characters will too.

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** There's some opinion that, while all of the main cast are interesting -- Chirrut and Baze as former temple guardians and Bodhi as a defecting Imperial pilot in particular -- we never really get to know too much about them or their backstories [[spoiler:and since they're all killed off by the end, we likely never will.]]
** Or not, since Cassian at least is getting [[Series/Andor a spinoff]]. It's possible that other characters will too.
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** Or not, since Cassian at least is getting [[Series/Andor a spinoff]]. It's possible that other characters will too.
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Re-clarifying that he was simply one of the first, not the first as I originally mistakenly believed.


* UnexpectedCharacter: Saw Gerrera's appearance in the film was a surprise to many. He was a character introduced in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', making it a jump from animation to live-action. While this has since become commonplace for the franchise, at the time it was quite a novelty. Prior to the name reveal of Whitaker's character, there were references in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' and ''[[Literature/StarWarsBloodline Bloodline]]'' about Saw, meaning it was to build up the surprise.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Saw Gerrera's appearance in the film was a surprise to many. He was a character introduced in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', making it him one of the first characters to jump from a ''Star Wars'' show to a movie, and also a jump from animation to live-action. While this has since become commonplace for the franchise, at the time it was quite a novelty. Prior to the name reveal of Whitaker's character, there were references in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' and ''[[Literature/StarWarsBloodline Bloodline]]'' about Saw, meaning it was to build up the surprise.
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The pilot film of Star Wars The Clone Wars was also released on theaters, and he is not the first character to first appear in a cartoon and later a movie, Grievous first appeared in the 2003 Clone Wars miniseries and later on Revenge of the Sith (even if he was created for Revenge of the Sith, his animated debut was released first).


** While this is the first theatrical spinoff ''Franchise/StarWars'' film, this is not the first spinoff movie. That honor goes to ''[[Film/StarWarsEwokAdventures Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure]]'', which [[MadeForTVMovie aired]] in 1984. In some international theaters, ''Rogue One'' technically isn't even the first theatrical spinoff.

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** While this is the first theatrical spinoff ''Franchise/StarWars'' film, this This is not the first spinoff movie. That honor goes to ''[[Film/StarWarsEwokAdventures Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure]]'', which [[MadeForTVMovie aired]] in 1984. In some international theaters, ''Rogue One'' technically isn't even the first theatrical spinoff.



* UnexpectedCharacter: Saw Gerrera's appearance in the film was a surprise to many. He was a character introduced in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', making him the first character to jump from a ''Star Wars'' show to a movie, and also a jump from animation to live-action. While this has since become commonplace for the franchise, at the time it was quite a novelty. Prior to the name reveal of Whitaker's character, there were references in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' and ''[[Literature/StarWarsBloodline Bloodline]]'' about Saw, meaning it was to build up the surprise.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Saw Gerrera's appearance in the film was a surprise to many. He was a character introduced in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', making him the first character to jump from a ''Star Wars'' show to a movie, and also it a jump from animation to live-action. While this has since become commonplace for the franchise, at the time it was quite a novelty. Prior to the name reveal of Whitaker's character, there were references in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' and ''[[Literature/StarWarsBloodline Bloodline]]'' about Saw, meaning it was to build up the surprise.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Saw Gerrera's appearance in the film was a surprise to many. He was a character introduced in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', making him the first character to jump from a ''Star Wars'' show to a movie, and also a jump from animation to live-action. Prior to the name reveal of Whitaker's character, there were references in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' and ''[[Literature/StarWarsBloodline Bloodline]]'' about Saw, meaning it was to build up the surprise.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Saw Gerrera's appearance in the film was a surprise to many. He was a character introduced in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', making him the first character to jump from a ''Star Wars'' show to a movie, and also a jump from animation to live-action. While this has since become commonplace for the franchise, at the time it was quite a novelty. Prior to the name reveal of Whitaker's character, there were references in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' and ''[[Literature/StarWarsBloodline Bloodline]]'' about Saw, meaning it was to build up the surprise.
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** In this film, Creator/ForestWhitaker portrays the live-action version of Saw Gurrera, who is explicitly based on the Argentine revolutionary and guerrilla leader Che Guevara. Whitaker would later go on to play Ellsworth "Bumpy" Johnson in the crime drama ''Series/GodfatherOfHarlem'', in which Che Guevara appears and plays a major role in the show's third season.
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** It also caught flak for having a few rather gratuitous references to the animated shows that had run earlier and concurrently to it, like background cameos from Chopper and the ''Ghost'' from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and Saw Gerrera ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' being a major supporting character, which were more or less lost on people who only watched the movies. However, these were just bonuses for savvy fans and weren't distracting or confusing for casual viewers; Saw's role as Jyn's mentor and surrogate father is still completely understandable within the context of the movie to people who hadn't watched ''The Clone Wars'', and the other references were kept in the background for eagle-eyed viewers. ''Solo'' got it worse with major plot points that ''only'' worked [[ContinuityLockout for viewers who'd watched several TV shows or read several books]], most infamously its reveal in the last half-hour that [[spoiler:the Crimson Dawn's leader is ''Darth Maul'' - this was a major plot element clearly meant to [[SequelHook set up for possible future adventures]] rather than just a small bonus for viewers well-versed in Expanded Universe works like the later seasons of ''The Clone Wars'' or ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'', and for anyone who ''wasn't'' it came completely out of left field, since to a casual viewer who'd only seen the movies, Maul's last appearance was getting bisected and thrown down a bottomless pit [[Film/ThePhantomMenace twenty years ago]]]].

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** It also caught flak for having a few rather gratuitous references to the animated shows that had run earlier and concurrently to it, like background cameos from Chopper and the ''Ghost'' from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and Saw Gerrera from ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' being a major supporting character, which were more or less lost on people who only watched the movies. However, these were just bonuses for savvy fans and weren't distracting or confusing for casual viewers; Saw's role as Jyn's mentor and surrogate father is still completely understandable within the context of the movie to people who hadn't watched ''The Clone Wars'', and the other references were kept in the background for eagle-eyed viewers. ''Solo'' got it worse with major plot points that ''only'' worked [[ContinuityLockout for viewers who'd watched several TV shows or read several books]], most infamously its reveal in the last half-hour that [[spoiler:the Crimson Dawn's leader is ''Darth Maul'' - this was a major plot element clearly meant to [[SequelHook set up for possible future adventures]] rather than just a small bonus for viewers well-versed in Expanded Universe works like the later seasons of ''The Clone Wars'' or ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'', and for anyone who ''wasn't'' it came completely out of left field, since to a casual viewer who'd only seen the movies, Maul's last appearance was getting bisected and thrown down a bottomless pit [[Film/ThePhantomMenace twenty years ago]]]].
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* IKnewIt:
** Many people figured out that Darth Vader would be one of the main villains of the film long before it was [[http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/22/star-wars-rogue-one-cover officially announced]]. Many also correctly guessed that he'd be the person inside the bacta tank which was shown in the first trailer.
** ''Rebels'' fans concluded that if Cassian is a member of Alliance Intelligence and has a history of recruiting people into the Rebellion, then he must've been a Fulcrum informant. AllThereInTheManual confirmed this is indeed the case.
** While the theory that the Death Star's design flaw was [[spoiler:done on purpose]] existed before ''Rogue One'' was even announced, many fans correctly speculated that [[AscendedFanon the film would confirm it]].
** Upon the revelation that prior to Season 3 of Rebels Recon (the recap show for ''Rebels'' on [=YouTube=]) that Chopper was sent to England during the hiatus, due to apparently not being sent over for Celebration London, people started theorizing that he was going to show up in ''Rogue One'' as a [[TheCameo cameo]]. [[FreezeFrameBonus Watch and listen]] [[MeaningfulBackgroundEvent carefully]].
** Fans correctly guessed that [[spoiler:the ''Ghost'' would get some sort of cameo as being a part of the Rebel fleet, with the most likely character to appear or be mentioned alongside it being Hera]].
** A lot of people guessed that [[spoiler: most if not all of the main characters would die.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: There are many moments when both Krennic and Tarkin commit irredeemable atrocities that crossed this line.
** In the final battle, [[spoiler:Tarkin uses the Death Star superlaser (albeit with a lower power setting, as it doesn't destroy a planet) to destroy the Empire's installation just to kill any remaining rebels and his political rival Krennic. While [[KickTheSonOfABitch Krennic got what he deserved]]]], Tarkin's actions end up killing hundreds, if not thousands, of loyal Imperial forces, showing how little regard he has for lives of the Empire's troops.
** Krennic cemented himself as an irredeemable bastard with his actions on Eadu. When informed that a spy has been leaking out data about the Death Star, Krennic holds Galen's engineering team at gunpoint and threatens to execute all of them unless any traitor confesses. When Galen reveals himself as TheMole and begs Krennic to spare the engineers, Krennic still executes them anyway just to spite Galen for his treachery.

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** Krennic cemented himself as an irredeemable bastard with his actions on Eadu. When informed that a spy has been leaking out data about the Death Star, Krennic holds Galen's engineering team at gunpoint and threatens to execute all of them unless any traitor confesses. When Galen reveals himself as TheMole and begs Krennic to spare the engineers, Krennic still executes them anyway just to spite Galen for his treachery.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Some viewers felt that the writers tried to invoke this trope by making ''Rogue One'' as adult as possible, with its more grounded approach and DarkerAndEdgier tone than even ''The Force Awakens''. A few people felt that the loss of whimsy took away the "''Star Wars''" feel, though whether that's a [[GrowingTheBeard good]] or a [[TooBleakStoppedCaring bad]] thing is up for debate.
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* SalvagedStory:
** The Death Star's often ridiculed design flaw has for decades been used as the main example for the Empire being a bunch of idiots that even the primitive Ewoks can defeat. This movie shows how much blood and sweat went into getting the info on that flaw, while also revealing that [[spoiler:the flaw was built on purpose by an inside man]].
** Similarly, the question of why the Empire were chasing after the plans in the first place is neatly addressed. Yes, it's clear the Empire wants to figure out what's wrong with the Death Star since the Rebels apparently believe they have information that will help them destroy it, but why not get the people in charge to analyze the station and find the weakness? This film explains it. Not only was the lead scientist, Galen Erso, sabotaging the thing and wouldn't be likely to talk had the Empire realized the bigger problem, but Krennic has Erso's entire team killed for what they thought was a smaller problem of conspiracy, and Erso himself is killed by the Rebel ships arriving on the scene. [[NiceJobFixingItVillain This reckless behavior on Krennic's part]] (well, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero and the miscommunication in the Rebellion]]) has the unintentional effect of forcing the Empire to defend, and later, track down the recorded copy of the plans, as reviewing them becomes the only way they could find the flaw and make the Death Star indestructible. On top of that, it also explains why the Empire can't just look at their archival copy of the plans to find the problem themselves: Tarkin blew said archives up.
** After 40 years of ''Star Wars'' being the go-to franchise for "[[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy henchmen never hit]] [[PlotArmor main characters]]" jokes, Disney averts the trope with a vengeance by killing off [[spoiler: ''[[EverybodyDiesEnding every]]'' new character, hero and villain alike, who wasn't already SavedByCanon.]]
** On the other hand, in ''A New Hope'', the weak lightsaber duel between Vader and Obi-Wan has often been explained away by fans as being due to Ben's old age, Vader's crippling, and both characters being weaker than during the Republic era. However, a scene towards the end of this film shows Vader using quite a bit of his power to overcome a line of Rebels, showing that Vader wasn't weak at all. In this film, Vader's physical actions are still relatively slow, plodding, and deliberate. However, he exercises much more creative use of the Force than he manages in any version of the original trilogy in just a few short scenes. And despite the slower, deliberate lightsaber swings, there are clear remnants of Anakin Skywalker's fighting style in them.
** For the fans who'd grown tired of the franchise's perceived BlackAndWhiteMorality treatment concerning the Rebellion and the Empire, this film showing a far less savory side to the Rebel Alliance with their desperate situation driving them to some very shady actions is quite welcome.
** The Rebel soldiers' [[CurbStompBattle infamously poor showing]] in the opening of ''A New Hope'' against a Stormtrooper boarding party who [[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy couldn't otherwise hit the broad side of a barn]] is probably the franchise's most infamous example of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. This film fixes that seeming continuity problem by explaining what happened to those soldiers to make them so weak and demoralized: [[spoiler: Vader. ''[[OneManArmy Vader]]'' [[MookHorrorShow happened to them.]]]]
** Construction on the Death Star was revealed to have begun in the closing scenes of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. Considering it would take nearly twenty years for the base to be completed by the time ''Film/ANewHope'' would take place, but only a handful of years to have an even larger, mostly completed and fully operational one in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', many fans were left scratching their heads. In the opening scene of this film, it was revealed that construction of the first Death Star was completed long before ''Film/ANewHope'', but -- due to Galen Erso's absence -- the Superlaser was not operational for many years, stalling the base's deployment.

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