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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Let's not mince words: The Night Lords are a Traitor Chapter filled with sadistic, psychotic killers who love to kill innocent people en masse just for the hell of it. Unless you can stomach their non-stop atrocities in the novels or other stories, it will be a ''very'' hard read to sit through.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Let's not mince words: The Night Lords are a Traitor Chapter filled with sadistic, psychotic killers who love to kill innocent people en masse just for the hell of it. Unless you can stomach their non-stop atrocities in the novels or other stories, it will be a ''very'' hard read to sit through.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It can be rather hard to care about any of the Night Lord's woes or feel anything from their moments of brotherhood when it's often sandwiched between them being gleeful murderers who get their jollies from torturing and murdering countless innocent people.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Let's not mince words: The Night Lords are a Traitor Chapter filled with sadistic, psychotic killers who love to kill innocent people en masse just for the hell of it. Unless you can stomach their non-stop atrocities in the novels or other stories, it will be a ''very'' hard read to sit through.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision. It's even possible Konrad Curze and Night Haunter are two [[SplitPersonality different people with different ideas.]]

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The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision. It's even possible Konrad Curze and Night Haunter are two [[SplitPersonality different people with different ideas.]]



** Konrad Curze heavily invokes this. Did he champion "order through fear" as a means of ensuring justice yet reject Chaos itself at the same time as joining Horus, like Sahaal and Talos claim? Was he as thoroughly corrupted as the other Traitor Primarchs and desired his sons to feed on fear like Acerbus claims? Or was he just a broken maniac like Xarl and Lucoryphus claim? No two Night Lords can seem to agree on what Curze wanted.

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** Konrad Curze heavily invokes this. Did he champion "order through fear" as a means of ensuring justice yet reject Chaos itself at the same time as joining Horus, like Sahaal Sahaal, Sevatar, and Talos claim? Was he as thoroughly corrupted as the other Traitor Primarchs and desired his sons to feed on fear like Acerbus claims? Or was he just a broken maniac like Xarl and Lucoryphus claim? No two Night Lords can seem to agree on what Curze wanted.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision. It's even possible Konrad Kurze and Nighthaunter are two [[SplitPersonality different people with different ideas.]]
** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the narrator of the Soul Hunter series, [[UnreliableNarrator Talos]], views him and [[UnreliableExpositor Acerbus]] with him mockingly referring it to as "worthy witterings" distracting the true vision of the Night Haunter; while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of the Night'' see him, as well as Mercutian and Uzas. Talos himself also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision. It's even possible Konrad Kurze Curze and Nighthaunter Night Haunter are two [[SplitPersonality different people with different ideas.]]
** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion Legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the narrator of the Soul Hunter series, [[UnreliableNarrator Talos]], views him and [[UnreliableExpositor Acerbus]] with him mockingly referring it to as "worthy witterings" distracting the true vision of the Night Haunter; while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of the Night'' see him, as well as Mercutian and Uzas. Talos himself also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision. It's even possible Konrad Kurze and Nighthaunter are two [[SplitPersonality different people with different ideas.]]
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** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the narrator of the Soul Hunter series, [[UnreliableNarrator Talos]], views him; while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of the Night'' see him, as well as Mercutian and Uzas. Talos himself also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.

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** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the narrator of the Soul Hunter series, [[UnreliableNarrator Talos]], views him; him and [[UnreliableExpositor Acerbus]] with him mockingly referring it to as "worthy witterings" distracting the true vision of the Night Haunter; while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of the Night'' see him, as well as Mercutian and Uzas. Talos himself also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.
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* FridgeHorror: Towards the end of ''Lord of the Night'' Mita throws a psychic blast far stronger than anything else she's ever done with little effort, leading her to conclude that her psychic power is not the Emperor's grace and is not the Warp's randomness, but "is her own". [[SmallNameBigEgo Thinking this thought]] is a good way to get the entire Warp pissed at you.

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** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the writer of the ''Night Lords'' series views him and portrays him in the eyes of other Night Lords, while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of Night'' see him. Talos also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.
*** It's later revealed in ''Void Stalker'' that Aaron Dembski-Bowden doesn't really see Zso Sahaal as a self-important idiot, but it's how ''[[UnreliableNarrator Talos]]'' sees him, with Mercutian and Uzas saying that they respected Sahaal.

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** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the writer narrator of the ''Night Lords'' series Soul Hunter series, [[UnreliableNarrator Talos]], views him and portrays him in the eyes of other Night Lords, him; while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of the Night'' see him. him, as well as Mercutian and Uzas. Talos himself also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.
*** It's later revealed in ''Void Stalker'' that Aaron Dembski-Bowden doesn't really see Zso Sahaal as a self-important idiot, but it's how ''[[UnreliableNarrator Talos]]'' sees him, with Mercutian and Uzas saying that they respected Sahaal.
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* CompleteMonster: Par for the course for a Night Lord.
** Zso Sahaal, obviously, but as a means of bringing order, not just personal gain.
** Ruven, without the AlternateCharacterInterpretation, however. He's just a monster.
** The Exalted, but what do you expect from a daemon of Tzeentch?
** [[PlayingWithATrope Invoked]] by Talos in ''Void Stalker'', although Octavia sees through it.
-->'''Octavia''': "You're evil, heart and soul, but you're not the monster you pretend to be."
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** Ultramarines players ''love'' Aaron Dembski-Bowden's handling of their chapter.

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** Ultramarines players ''love'' Aaron Dembski-Bowden's handling of their chapter.chapter.
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** Ultramarines players ''love''' Aaron Dembski-Bowden's handling of their chapter.

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** Ultramarines players ''love''' ''love'' Aaron Dembski-Bowden's handling of their chapter.
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** Ultramarine players ''love''' Aaron Dembski-Bowden's handle on their chapter.

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** Ultramarine Ultramarines players ''love''' Aaron Dembski-Bowden's handle on handling of their chapter.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Whilst they were not exactly ''hated'', the Night Lords received remarkably little coverage in either background or rules prior to the publishing of ''Lord of the Night.''

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* CompleteMonster: Zso Sahaal, obviously.
** Par for the course for a Night Lord however.

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** Konrad Curze heavily invokes this. Did he champion "order through fear" as a means of ensuring justice yet reject Chaos itself at the same time as joining Horus, like Sahaal and Talos claim? Was he as thoroughly corrupted as the other Traitor Primarchs and desired his sons to feed on fear like Acerbus claims? Or was he just a broken maniac like Xarl and Lucoryphus claim? No two Night Lords can seem to agree on what Curze wanted.
* CompleteMonster: Zso Sahaal, obviously.
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Par for the course for a Night Lord however.Lord.
** Zso Sahaal, obviously, but as a means of bringing order, not just personal gain.



*** "You're evil, heart and soul, but you're not the monster you pretend to be."
* EnsembleDarkhorse: For how little screen/page time Sevatar has received in canon, Aaron Dembski-Bowden receives an awful lot of questions about him.

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*** -->'''Octavia''': "You're evil, heart and soul, but you're not the monster you pretend to be."
* EnsembleDarkhorse: For how little screen/page time Sevatar has received in canon, Aaron Dembski-Bowden receives an awful lot of questions about him.

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*** It's later revealed in ''Void Stalker'' that Aaron Dembski-Bowden doesn't really see Zso Sahaal as a naive idiot, but it's how ''[[UnreliableNarrator Talos]]'' sees him, with Mercutian and Uzas saying that they respected Sahaal.

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*** It's later revealed in ''Void Stalker'' that Aaron Dembski-Bowden doesn't really see Zso Sahaal as a naive self-important idiot, but it's how ''[[UnreliableNarrator Talos]]'' sees him, with Mercutian and Uzas saying that they respected Sahaal.
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*** It's later revealed in ''Void Stalker'' that Aaron Dembski-Bowden doesn't really see Zso Sahaal as a naive idiot, but it's how ''[[UnreliableNarrator Talos]]'' sees him, with Mercutian and Uzas saying that they respected Sahaal.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For how little screen/page time Sevatar has received in canon, Aaron Dembski-Bowden receives an awful lot of questions about him.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: What the Night Lords aspire to be. They have succeeded.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For how little screen/page time Sevatar has received in canon, Aaron Dembski-Bowden receives an awful lot of questions about him.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: What the Night Lords aspire to be. They have succeeded.
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** [[PlayingWithATrope Invoked]] by Talos in ''Void Stalker'', although Octavia sees through it.
*** "You're evil, heart and soul, but you're not the monster you pretend to be."

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For how little screen/page time Sevatar has received in canon, Aaron Dembski-Bowden receives an awful lot of questions about him.

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** The Exalted, but what do you expect from a daemon of Tzeentch?
* EnsembleDarkhorse: For how little screen/page time Sevatar has received in canon, Aaron Dembski-Bowden receives an awful lot of questions about him.him.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: What the Night Lords aspire to be. They have succeeded.
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** Ruven, without the AlternateCharacterInterpretation, however. He's just a monster.

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** Ruven, without the AlternateCharacterInterpretation, however. He's just a monster.monster.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: For how little screen/page time Sevatar has received in canon, Aaron Dembski-Bowden receives an awful lot of questions about him.
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** Par for the course for a Night Lord however.

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** Par for the course for a Night Lord however.however.
** Ruven, without the AlternateCharacterInterpretation, however. He's just a monster.
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** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the writer of the ''Night Lords'' series views him and portrays him in the eyes of other Night Lords, while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of Night'' see him. Talos also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.

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** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the writer of the ''Night Lords'' series views him and portrays him in the eyes of other Night Lords, while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of Night'' see him. Talos also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.interpretation.
* CompleteMonster: Zso Sahaal, obviously.
** Par for the course for a Night Lord however.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Night Lords are either deranged psychopaths who live only to sate their appetite for terror and destruction or misunderstood anti-heroes who fight against the corrupting influence of Chaos while simultaneously extracting revenge on the Imperium which abandoned them. Both interpretations are equally valid in the present and no one fully remembers what the Night Haunter was like or the extent of his original vision.vision.
** Zso Sahaal is also shown in two different lights. He is either a tenacious hero trying to keep the remnants of the legion sane by uniting them under him, or is a deranged and naive idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance. Notably, the second interpretation is how the writer of the ''Night Lords'' series views him and portrays him in the eyes of other Night Lords, while the first is how many fans of ''Lord of Night'' see him. Talos also can be seen in a less extreme version of either interpretation.

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