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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Jimmi Simpson plays an AxCrazy hick on this show. He would later go on to play the exact same type of character on ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', but there it's PlayedForLaughs.
** The ghosts in Babylon are very similar in both appearance and role to [[Series/TwinPeaks the Woodsmen]].

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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Jimmi Simpson plays an AxCrazy hick on this show. He would later go on to play the exact same type of character on ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', but there it's PlayedForLaughs.
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HilariousInHindsight: The ghosts in Babylon are very similar in both appearance and role to [[Series/TwinPeaks the Woodsmen]].
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* NightmareFuel: Starts with the raining blood and possessed Madonna and child statues, and just keep going. Every single episode has ''something'' terrifying in it, though especially the end of "Pick a Number".
** "She's ''screaming!''"
** The town of Babylon. Not during the day, but the nightlife is, well...
** Every scene involving Ben's extended family. Forests full of doll's heads is NOT charming!
** The death-mask scene with [[spoiler:Evander Geddes]].
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*CompleteMonster: [[PsychoForHire Varlyn Stroud]] is the sociopathic [[TheBrute chief enforcer]] of the [[Characters/CarnivaleNewCanaanMinistry New Canaan Ministry]]. A convicted criminal even before being chosen to be the "Archangel" of [[BigBad Brother Justin Crowe]], Stroud is tasked with capturing and delivering Henry Scudder to him. Taking the opportunity to cause as much mayhem as possible, Stroud murders multiple people; bombs a Templar lodge in New Mexico; and torches an entire carnival, endangering the lives of several workers. [[PsychoSupporter Fanatically devoted]] to the apocalyptic plans of his master, Stroud ultimately ensures that Crowe becomes the feared Usher of Destruction.

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* NightmareFuel: Start with the raining blood and possessed Madonna and child statues, and just keep going. Every single episode has ''something'' terrifying in it, though especially the end of "Pick a Number".

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* NightmareFuel: Start Starts with the raining blood and possessed Madonna and child statues, and just keep going. Every single episode has ''something'' terrifying in it, though especially the end of "Pick a Number".



** Yes, [[Series/PrisonBreak T-Bag]] aka Creator/RobertKnepper is playing a good guy. (Tommy)

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** Yes, [[Series/PrisonBreak T-Bag]] aka Creator/RobertKnepper is playing a good guy. (Tommy)guy (Tommy).


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* ValuesDissonance: When Jonesy implies in the first episode that Sofie asked to be raped.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Of a sort. The show itself was ''always'' an AcclaimedFlop, but it was also the network's unsuccessful first attempt at bringing a fantasy series for adults to the small screen. At the time, many people wrote off ''Carnivale'''s failure as the inevitable result of [[ItWillNeverCatchOn trying to run a history-inspired fantasy saga on HBO]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Because a show like that could never possibly find a wide audience, right?]] But after the absurd success of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' (currently HBO's most popular show ''ever''), the idea doesn't seem nearly as strange.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Of a sort. The show itself was ''always'' an AcclaimedFlop, but it was also the network's unsuccessful first attempt at bringing a fantasy series for adults to the small screen. At the time, many people wrote off ''Carnivale'''s failure as the inevitable result of [[ItWillNeverCatchOn trying to run a history-inspired fantasy saga on HBO]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Because a show like that could never possibly find a wide audience, right?]] But after the absurd success of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' (currently HBO's most popular show ''ever''), ''Series/GameOfThrones'', the idea doesn't didn't seem nearly as strange.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Despite having a highly original and engaging plot, the premise of "supernatural battle set in the Depression-era dustbowl", and the thick layer of religious and mystical symbolism all over the show, made it hard for a lot of people to get interested in. It didn't help that the series mythological background (based on both real-world myths as well as components created for the show) wasn't laid out well and the hints were obscure leaving viewers who didn't have an encyclopedia on hand clueless to many aspects. It's been described as a less accessible Twin Peaks for a reason.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: [[http://www.salon.com/2003/11/01/carnivale/ Some critics]] during the first season's run felt this way about the show, as its bleak, macabre take on the Depression-era U.S. and moral ambiguity made it difficult to care about its characters. The second season was better about this, but the show suffered a large enough ratings drop between seasons to be CutShort.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: [[http://www.salon.com/2003/11/01/carnivale/ Some critics]] during the first season's run felt this way about the show, as its bleak, macabre take on the Depression-era U.S. and moral ambiguity made it difficult to care about its characters. The second season was better about this, but the show suffered a large enough ratings drop between seasons to be CutShort.

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* HeReallyCanAct: Turns out Michael J. Anderson is just as good playing a human character as he was a [[Series/TwinPeaks backwards-talking, dancing spirit]].
* HilariousInHindsight: Jimmi Simpson plays an AxCrazy hick on this show. He would later go on to play the exact same type of character on ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', but there it's PlayedForLaughs.

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* HeReallyCanAct: SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Turns out Michael J. Anderson is just as good playing a human character as he was a [[Series/TwinPeaks backwards-talking, dancing spirit]].
* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Jimmi Simpson plays an AxCrazy hick on this show. He would later go on to play the exact same type of character on ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', but there it's PlayedForLaughs.
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* MagnificentBastard: Iris Crowe is a fairly spectacular example. The sweet, innocent spinster sister of Brother Justin? Has not only spent her entire life playing Xanatos Speed Chess with her brother's true nature, but burned down her brother's church to get him publicity, allowed an innocent man to go to jail and eventual execution for what she did, lured an innocent woman out beyond the camp and then bashed her over the head with a boat oar, to keep her from talking about how evil Justin really is and kept the secret of Sofie's paternity from everyone. After the big battle, when Ben and Justin are lying dead in the cornfield, the New Canaan faithful have almost been completely slaughtered by Justin, and the Carnivale has had to slip away for fear of the authorities in the early morning hours, what is Iris doing? Cooling her heels as the Last One Standing.

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* MagnificentBastard: Iris Crowe is a fairly spectacular example. The sweet, innocent spinster sister of Brother Justin? Has not only spent her entire life playing Xanatos Speed Chess XanatosSpeedChess with her brother's true nature, but burned down her brother's church to get him publicity, allowed an innocent man to go to jail and eventual execution for what she did, lured an innocent woman out beyond the camp and then bashed her over the head with a boat oar, to keep her from talking about how evil Justin really is and kept the secret of Sofie's paternity from everyone. After the big battle, when Ben and Justin are lying dead in the cornfield, the New Canaan faithful have almost been completely slaughtered by Justin, and the Carnivale has had to slip away for fear of the authorities in the early morning hours, what is Iris doing? Cooling her heels as the Last One Standing.
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* MagnificentBastard: One could make a valid argument to rename the trope Management. Justin and Iris also fit this trope at numerous points throughout the series.

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* MagnificentBastard: One could make Iris Crowe is a valid argument fairly spectacular example. The sweet, innocent spinster sister of Brother Justin? Has not only spent her entire life playing Xanatos Speed Chess with her brother's true nature, but burned down her brother's church to rename get him publicity, allowed an innocent man to go to jail and eventual execution for what she did, lured an innocent woman out beyond the trope Management. camp and then bashed her over the head with a boat oar, to keep her from talking about how evil Justin really is and kept the secret of Sofie's paternity from everyone. After the big battle, when Ben and Justin are lying dead in the cornfield, the New Canaan faithful have almost been completely slaughtered by Justin, and the Carnivale has had to slip away for fear of the authorities in the early morning hours, what is Iris also fit this trope at numerous points throughout doing? Cooling her heels as the series.Last One Standing.
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** The ghosts in Babylon are very similar in both appearance and role to [[Series/TwinPeaks the Woodsmen]].

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* MagnificentBastard: One could make a valid argument to rename the trope Management. Justin and Iris also fit this trope at numerous points throughout the series.


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* MagnificentBastard: One could make a valid argument to rename the trope Management. Justin and Iris also fit this trope at numerous points throughout the series.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Jimmi Simpson plays an AxCrazy hick on this show. He would later go on to play the exact same type of character on ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', but there it's PlayedForLaughs.


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** As mentioned above, [[Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia Liam [=McPoyle=]]] plays one of Ben's cousins.
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* CultClassic: Never the most popular show on HBO, it nonetheless has a loyal following to this day.
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** There's also the rather slow pace of the show, with individual episodes mattering less than the season as a whole. Maybe it's not the best approach for a weekly series, but it's been good for several streaming shows.
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* HeReallyCanAct: Turns out Michael J. Anderson is just as good playing a human character as he was a [[Series/TwinPeaks backwards-talking, dancing spirit]].
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** Tim [=DeKay=] (Clayton) is much more well-known these days as [[WhiteCollar Agent Peter Burke]].
** Yes, [[PrisonBreak T-Bag]] aka Creator/RobertKnepper is playing a good guy. (Tommy)

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** Tim [=DeKay=] (Clayton) is much more well-known these days as [[WhiteCollar [[Series/WhiteCollar Agent Peter Burke]].
** Yes, [[PrisonBreak [[Series/PrisonBreak T-Bag]] aka Creator/RobertKnepper is playing a good guy. (Tommy)
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: [[http://www.salon.com/2003/11/01/carnivale/ Some critics]] during the first season's run felt this way about the show, as its bleak, macabre take on the Depression-era U.S. and moral ambiguity made it difficult to care about its characters. The second season was better about this, but the show suffered a large enough ratings drop between seasons to be CutShort.
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* RetroactiveRecognition:
** Tim [=DeKay=] (Clayton) is much more well-known these days as [[WhiteCollar Agent Peter Burke]].
** Yes, [[PrisonBreak T-Bag]] aka Creator/RobertKnepper is playing a good guy. (Tommy)
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* VindicatedByHistory: Of a sort. The show itself was ''always'' an AcclaimedFlop, but it was also the network's unsuccessful first attempt at bringing a fantasy series for adults to the small screen. At the time, many people wrote off ''Carnivale''s failure as the inevitable result of [[ItWillNeverCatchOn trying to run a history-inspired fantasy saga on HBO]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Because a show like that could never possibly find a wide audience, right?]] But after the absurd success of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' (currently HBO's most popular show ''ever''), the idea doesn't seem nearly as strange.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Of a sort. The show itself was ''always'' an AcclaimedFlop, but it was also the network's unsuccessful first attempt at bringing a fantasy series for adults to the small screen. At the time, many people wrote off ''Carnivale''s ''Carnivale'''s failure as the inevitable result of [[ItWillNeverCatchOn trying to run a history-inspired fantasy saga on HBO]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Because a show like that could never possibly find a wide audience, right?]] But after the absurd success of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' (currently HBO's most popular show ''ever''), the idea doesn't seem nearly as strange.
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* TearJerker: Many, most especially the immolation of the orphan children in Justin's ministry.

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* TearJerker: Many, most especially the immolation of the orphan children in Justin's ministry.ministry.
* VindicatedByHistory: Of a sort. The show itself was ''always'' an AcclaimedFlop, but it was also the network's unsuccessful first attempt at bringing a fantasy series for adults to the small screen. At the time, many people wrote off ''Carnivale''s failure as the inevitable result of [[ItWillNeverCatchOn trying to run a history-inspired fantasy saga on HBO]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Because a show like that could never possibly find a wide audience, right?]] But after the absurd success of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' (currently HBO's most popular show ''ever''), the idea doesn't seem nearly as strange.
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* CompleteMonster: Varlyn Stroud has no redeeming qualities of any kind.
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* TearJerker: Many, most especially the immolation of the orphan children in Justin's ministry.
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* TearJerker: Many, most especially the immolation of the orphan children in Justin's ministry.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Start with the raining blood and possessed Madonna and child statues, and just keep going. Every single episode has ''something'' terrifying in it, though special mention has to go to the end of "Pick a Number".
** "She's ''screaming!''"
** The town of Babylon. Not during the day, but the nightlife is, well...
** Every scene involving Ben's extended family. Forests full of doll's heads is NOT charming!
** The death-mask scene with [[spoiler:Evander Geddes]].


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* NightmareFuel: Start with the raining blood and possessed Madonna and child statues, and just keep going. Every single episode has ''something'' terrifying in it, though especially the end of "Pick a Number".
** "She's ''screaming!''"
** The town of Babylon. Not during the day, but the nightlife is, well...
** Every scene involving Ben's extended family. Forests full of doll's heads is NOT charming!
** The death-mask scene with [[spoiler:Evander Geddes]].
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* CompleteMonster - Varlyn Stroud has no redeeming qualities of any kind.

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* CompleteMonster - CompleteMonster: Varlyn Stroud has no redeeming qualities of any kind.



** The death-mask scene with [[spoiler:Evander Geddeys]].

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** The death-mask scene with [[spoiler:Evander Geddeys]].Geddes]].



* TearJerker - Many, most especially the immolation of the orphan children in Justin's ministry.

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* TearJerker - TearJerker: Many, most especially the immolation of the orphan children in Justin's ministry.
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* CharacterDerailment - Justin became a victim of this thanks to HBO's ExecutiveMeddling. At the end of Season 1, Justin was still conflicted about his role as the Antichrist. With Season 2, he's pretty much a CompleteMonster with few of the complexities that his arc had in the first season.
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** The town of Babylon. Not during the day, but the nightlife is, well...
** Every scene involving Ben's extended family. Forests full of doll's heads is NOT charming!
** The death-mask scene with [[spoiler:Evander Geddeys]].
* MagnificentBastard: One could make a valid argument to rename the trope Management. Justin and Iris also fit this trope at numerous points throughout the series.

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The \"Hey It\'s That Guy\"/\"That Voice\" entries, which should go on the trivia page, are so pointless it is not really worth creating a trivia page just to put them there. It would just be clutter.



* HeyItsThatGuy: A surprising amount with this cast:
** [[SinCity That Yellow Bastard]]/[[TheTerminator John Connor]] is Ben.
** [[SpongebobSquarepants Mr. Krabs]]/[[JusticeLeague Lex Luthor]]/[[{{Highlander}} the Kurgan]] is Justin.
** [[WhiteCollar Agent Peter Burke]] is Jonesy.
** [[TwinPeaks The backwards-talking dwarf]] is Samson.
** [[BuffyTheVampireSlayer Marcie Ross]]/[[{{Series/Heroes}} Audrey Hanson]] is Sofie.
** [[FieldOfDreams Annie Kinsella]] is Iris.
** [[{{Series/Heroes}} Samuel]]/[[PrisonBreak T-Bag]] is Tommy Dolan.
** The dad from ''The Waltons'' is Reverend Balthus.
** [[{{Bones}} Daisy Wick]] is Libby.
** [[TheAdventuresOfPeteAndPete Artie, the Strongest Man in the World]] is Stumpy.
** [[DarkAngel Lydecker]] is Scudder.
** [[{{Dune}} Shadout Mapes]]/ [[DisneyAnimatedCanon Grandmother Willow]]/ (and the really [[MindScrew mindscrewy]] one?) [[NCISLosAngeles Hettie]] is ''Management''.

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