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* LesYay: The culmination of Sophie and Plachta's storyline will obviously have this. [[spoiler:Sophie manages to give Plachta a new human body, and, when Plachta tries to leave Sophie since she's gone ''way'' beyond her teachings, Sophie manages to persuade her to stay with her, since they mutually agree that they're not happy unless they're together for the rest of their lives.]]
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** The Puni from the Exam in Atelier Firis returns as an NPC, an is terrified to see Ilmeria again. Mainly due to being [[ButtMonkey used as a target]] [[NoKillLikeOverkill for several end game bombs.]]

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** The Puni from the Exam in Atelier Firis returns as an NPC, an and is terrified to see Ilmeria again. Mainly again due to being [[ButtMonkey used as a target]] for [[NoKillLikeOverkill for several end game bombs.]]
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* HollywoodHomely: There's an event where Lydie and Lucia say that Roger is becoming less attractive with age, even mentioning warts, but he's a gorgeous {{biseinen}} with [[GenericCuteness nary a flaw to be seen]].

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* HollywoodHomely: There's an event where Lydie and Lucia say that Roger is becoming less attractive with age, even mentioning warts, but he's a gorgeous {{biseinen}} PrettyBoy with [[GenericCuteness nary a flaw to be seen]].
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Actual trope, not YMMV, moving to main page.


* GuideDangIt: The ending requirements are rather obtuse even for Atelier standards.
** For the shop ending: getting 100,000 coll in the end is not that hard; the problem is that triggering one of the events to incur it requires dipping ''under'' 10,000 during the last chapter, and it's very possible that a sufficiently savvy player would never allow their savings to get that low. The game gives you no indication that this is a requirement. Furthermore, the game doesn't give you a goal in the menu once you've hit 50,000 coll, and therefore you'd have no idea that 100,000 is the actual number required to trigger it.
** For the painter's ending: triggering the first event for it requires synthesizing all the environment-changing paints ''and'' another of the restoration paints...even though up until then the restoration paints had all been story items used only once, so there'd be no need to make another one.
** The requirements for the true ending are still rather obscure, because it's difficult to determine whether it requires unlocking all the endings, fulfilling all ambition notes, or getting maximum score on all the assignments -- the only consensus is that there's some connection, and yet people have unlocked the true ending by not doing one or more of these.
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** For the the shop ending: getting 100,000 coll in the end is not that hard; the problem is that triggering one of the events to incur it requires dipping ''under'' 10,000 during the last chapter, and it's very possible that a sufficiently savvy player would never allow their savings to get that low. The game gives you no indication that this is a requirement. Furthermore, the game doesn't give you a goal in the menu once you've hit 50,000 coll, and therefore you'd have no idea that 100,000 is the actual number required to trigger it.

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** For the the shop ending: getting 100,000 coll in the end is not that hard; the problem is that triggering one of the events to incur it requires dipping ''under'' 10,000 during the last chapter, and it's very possible that a sufficiently savvy player would never allow their savings to get that low. The game gives you no indication that this is a requirement. Furthermore, the game doesn't give you a goal in the menu once you've hit 50,000 coll, and therefore you'd have no idea that 100,000 is the actual number required to trigger it.
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This sounds more like Ship Tease.


* LesYay: Sophie and Plachta are pretty much all but stated to be a couple by the end of the game. Their event ends after Plachta realizes she wants to be with Sophie. The two affirm that they are each other's happiness, and promise to grow old together. And EveryoneCanSeeIt, with Lydie, Sue, and Firis conspicuously [[LeaveTheTwoLovebirdsAlone giving them time alone together]] after [[spoiler:Plachta gets her body back]]. You can think about the implication of that on your own.
** There's some hints that Ilmeria might be in love with Firis, complete with almost mumbling out a drunken LoveConfession to her. There's nothing on Firis' side to suggest it's mutual.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: The Puni from the Exam in Atelier Firis returns as an NPC, an is terrified to see Ilmeria again. Mainly due to being [[ButtMonkey used as a target]] [[NoKillLikeOverkill for several end game bombs.]]

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The Puni from the Exam in Atelier Firis returns as an NPC, an is terrified to see Ilmeria again. Mainly due to being [[ButtMonkey used as a target]] [[NoKillLikeOverkill for several end game bombs.]]
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** [[VideoGame/NelkeAndTheLegendaryAlchemistsAteliersOfTheNewWorld Nelke]] appearing in ''[[UpdatedRerelease DX]]'' has surprised many due to her home game being both a MilestoneCelebration title and a [[ConstructionAndManagementGames town-building game]] that plays completely different from the rest of the franchise.
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Looking into this trope, that one in particular may be YMMV but it still requires that the game actually failed to sell, which this one didn't. It's even weirder to say that Lydie and Suelle's costumes are part of the "premise."


* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Some people will be reluctant to play a game featuring 14 year old girls in {{Stripperiffic}} outfits.
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* TaintedByThePreview: [[https://www.dualshockers.com/atelier-lydie-suelle-japanese-voice-overs/ The announcement]] that the game's Western release would, for the first time since the English localizations began, [[NoDubForYou not have an English dub]], caused a bit of a furor, if nothing else because the previous two Mysterious games ''did'' have dubs and this meant that ''Lydie and Suelle'' would have several returning characters without their English [=VOs=]]. On the other hand, as many existing players pointed out, the previous dubs were already bare-bones affairs, dubbing only battle phrases and certain key cutscenes while leaving much of the side content silent. While there were many cries on forums of "No Dub, No Buy", this game outsold ''Atelier Firis'' by a large margin so it appears the issue didn't bother most players.

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* TaintedByThePreview: [[https://www.dualshockers.com/atelier-lydie-suelle-japanese-voice-overs/ The announcement]] that the game's Western release would, for the first time since the English localizations began, [[NoDubForYou not have an English dub]], caused a bit of a furor, if nothing else because the previous two Mysterious games ''did'' have dubs and this meant that ''Lydie and Suelle'' would have several returning characters without their English [=VOs=]].[=VOs=]. On the other hand, as many existing players pointed out, the previous dubs were already bare-bones affairs, dubbing only battle phrases and certain key cutscenes while leaving much of the side content silent. While there were many cries on forums of "No Dub, No Buy", this game outsold ''Atelier Firis'' by a large margin so it appears the issue didn't bother most players.
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* TaintedByThePreview: [[https://www.dualshockers.com/atelier-lydie-suelle-japanese-voice-overs/ The announcement]] that the game's Western release would, for the first time since the English localizations began, [[NoDubForYou not have an English dub]], caused a bit of a furor, if nothing else because the previous two Mysterious games ''did'' have dubs and this meant that ''Lydie and Suelle'' would have several returning characters without their English VOs. On the other hand, as many existing players pointed out, the previous dubs were already bare-bones affairs, dubbing only battle phrases and certain key cutscenes while leaving much of the side content silent. While there were many cries on forums of "No Dub, No Buy", this game outsold ''Atelier Firis'' by a large margin so it appears the issue didn't bother most players.

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* TaintedByThePreview: [[https://www.dualshockers.com/atelier-lydie-suelle-japanese-voice-overs/ The announcement]] that the game's Western release would, for the first time since the English localizations began, [[NoDubForYou not have an English dub]], caused a bit of a furor, if nothing else because the previous two Mysterious games ''did'' have dubs and this meant that ''Lydie and Suelle'' would have several returning characters without their English VOs.[=VOs=]]. On the other hand, as many existing players pointed out, the previous dubs were already bare-bones affairs, dubbing only battle phrases and certain key cutscenes while leaving much of the side content silent. While there were many cries on forums of "No Dub, No Buy", this game outsold ''Atelier Firis'' by a large margin so it appears the issue didn't bother most players.
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* ContestedSequel: Though not for anything about the content of the game itself - the story is generally viewed as much better than the last few games, the battle system is considered one of the best in the franchise, and the multitude of gameplay improvements were welcomed by most. However, there was a lot of controversy of the game's extremely expensive DLC passes (a problem with all games released by KoeiTecmo at the present), [[NoDubForYou the lack of an English dub]], and high number of typos and translation errors in the script.

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* ContestedSequel: Though not for anything about the content of the game itself - the story is generally viewed as much better than the last few games, the battle system is considered one of the best in the franchise, and the multitude of gameplay improvements were welcomed by most. However, there was a lot of controversy of the game's extremely expensive DLC passes (a problem with all games released by KoeiTecmo Creator/KoeiTecmo at the present), [[NoDubForYou the lack of an English dub]], and high number of typos and translation errors in the script.
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lol it's so obvious when some of these were all written by the same person trying to pretend to be lots of "fans"


* ContestedSequel: At least in the West. The story is generally viewed as much better than the last few games, and the many gameplay improvements earn the game plenty of fans. However, it's also received quite a bit of criticism in the English-speaking world due to its large amount of expensive {{DLC}} (which is viewed more harshly in the West than in the East), a translation riddled with typos and grammar errors, and the [[NoDubForYou lack of a dub]] (a first for the localized version of an ''Atelier'' game).

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* ContestedSequel: At least in Though not for anything about the West. The content of the game itself - the story is generally viewed as much better than the last few games, the battle system is considered one of the best in the franchise, and the many multitude of gameplay improvements earn the game plenty of fans. were welcomed by most. However, it's also received quite there was a bit lot of criticism in controversy of the English-speaking world due to its large amount of game's extremely expensive {{DLC}} (which is viewed more harshly in the West than in the East), a translation riddled DLC passes (a problem with typos and grammar errors, and all games released by KoeiTecmo at the present), [[NoDubForYou the lack of a dub]] (a first for an English dub]], and high number of typos and translation errors in the localized version of an ''Atelier'' game).script.



* TaintedByThePreview: [[https://www.dualshockers.com/atelier-lydie-suelle-japanese-voice-overs/ The announcement]] that the game's Western release would, for the first time in series history, [[NoDubForYou not have an English dub]], has caused many fans to reconsider their purchase. Some are especially annoyed that the previous games of the trilogy have a dub, making it feel inconsistent and wishing that they would at least finish the Mysterious series with a dub before switching to subs only, while others simply refuse to play any game without a dub.

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* TaintedByThePreview: [[https://www.dualshockers.com/atelier-lydie-suelle-japanese-voice-overs/ The announcement]] that the game's Western release would, for the first time in series history, since the English localizations began, [[NoDubForYou not have an English dub]], has caused many fans to reconsider their purchase. Some are especially annoyed that a bit of a furor, if nothing else because the previous games of the trilogy have a dub, making it feel inconsistent and wishing that they would at least finish the two Mysterious series with a dub before switching to subs only, while others simply refuse to play any game games ''did'' have dubs and this meant that ''Lydie and Suelle'' would have several returning characters without their English VOs. On the other hand, as many existing players pointed out, the previous dubs were already bare-bones affairs, dubbing only battle phrases and certain key cutscenes while leaving much of the side content silent. While there were many cries on forums of "No Dub, No Buy", this game outsold ''Atelier Firis'' by a dub.large margin so it appears the issue didn't bother most players.

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