History WMG / Thor

** I'll bite. Laufey came off as pretty reasonable to me. Evil, but reasonable, pragmatic, and wanting to do what's best for the jotnar.

[[WMG: The Enchantress from the comics is the same enchantress from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''.]]

* Also in the mythology, Loki is most definately [[ReallyGetsAround not]] [[BiTheWay asexual]]. He's the mother of Slepnir, for one. (Yeah, really.)

** It's been announced that an ''Film/AntMan'' movie is on its way, which would bring this WMG back to life.

This was the first thing This Troper thought when he saw him.

This troper thinks that, either this was a setup for Luke appearing in the Avengers movie, or they just wanted to reference the character even if he isn't going to be used.
** Luke Cage has no connections to SHIELD and will not appear in Avengers. It was just a big guy that fought a '''powerless''' Thor.

* This Troper favors the idea that the jotnar are an inherently magical race (preferring ice magic, obviously), and are thus ALL capable of shapeshifting (hence why baby Loki was able to transform into an Asgardian - it's a subconscious defense mechanism, an attempt to integrate into a species for safety). Laufey could have transformed into a female if he so desired, and mated with a male-formed Jotun (possibly Farbauti). So, technically, he WOULD be Loki's mother.

On the subject of Loki, why would Odin pick Thor as King? He was shown to be rash, was very agressive, and was still mentally a teenager. The only other candidate was Loki, since he was the only other son we saw. Except, two possibly reasons: Odin lost his eye, which was suposed to be when he gained a chunk of knowledge about future events, including Loki starting Ragnorok. He took in Loki just after loosing his eye, which was to bring peace to Asgard as he believed that by raising him as his own, he could avoid Ragnorok. However, he couldn't risk him becoming ruler of Asgard just in case he failed to raise him right. Alternativly, there's the reason why Loki would cause Ragnorok: Loki was to accidentally cause the Death of Baldur, one of Odin's sons, and would later insult them when they talked about him behind his back. They'd retaliate by binding him with a snake dripping venom into his eyes, which drove him insane and lead to him starting Ragnorok. In the film, Loki had recently caused the death of Baldur, and Odin didn't think he was ready to be king because of this. Which would then lead to the events of the film, which lead to Loki getting too out of hand from his growing hatred, resulting in Odin eventually having him binded, leading to Ragnorok. We're just in the stages in between Baldur's death and Loki's binding.

In the upcoming Thor: Love and Thunder movie, Valkyrie is looking for her queen, right? Perhaps the reason Jane broke up with Thor is because she is more attracted to women, and wants to pursue a female life partner.

In the upcoming Thor: Love and Thunder movie, Valkyrie is looking for her queen, right? Perhaps the reason Jane broke up with Thor is because she is attracted to woman, and wants to pursue a female life partner.

In the upcoming Thor: Love and Thunder movie, Valkyrie is looking for her queen, right? It's a coincidence that the Foster Thor will be introduced in the very same movie. Perhaps the reason Jane broke up with Thor is because she is attracted to woman, and wants to pursue a female companion.

* Jossed, Odin sends him there via “dark energy“.

All jotnar are blue only when super-cooled, otherwise they have humanlike coloring. Full-grown jotnar take a while to warm up, so they remained blue while wandering around
Asgard. Likewise, full-grown Loki doesn't cool down very fast unless he's making direct contact with a source of extreme cold, such as the Jotunheim power source or an actual jotun. (Baby Loki, on the other hand, is very tiny and conducts heat pretty quickly.)

[[WMG: Loki ''will not'' be the villain of the sequel, but it will be about Raganrok]]
* The villain will be Surtur, who wants to bring about Ragnarok and end all of existance. But he knows the prophecy says Loki will cause it, so he tries to get Loki to do so.
** And Loki refuses. Surtur then proceeds to kidnap/do something to get Loki out of the way while making it look like Loki's doing horrible things, hoping that Loki will be found and punished for them because no one would believe he didn't (and subquently go mad from whatever the awful punishment is)... [[SpottingTheThread But Thor and maybe Odin and Frigga realize it's not Loki's doing]], so Thor has to find and save Loki before Surtur destroys too much pretending to be Loki, setting up an EnemyMine...and all that's the first act.
** The second act will deal with Thor and Loki's issues with each other while they go on some quest to find some MacGuffin to stop Surtur, including Loki turning into his jotun form and lashing out at Thor and Thor eventually giving Loki a long cooldown hug (with optional frostbite ensuing). They will get to the MacGuffin after fighting beings like Jormungand (not Loki's son here) and Dark Elves (maybe Malekith the Accursed or Pre-Kurse Algrim the Strong) and get to the MacGuffin, but it's just a MagicFeather and Loki says "well, that's it then" and knocks Thor out.
*** This. Especially the hug. This please.
** The third act will look like Loki's defected to Surtur out of pragmatism, but it'll turn out to be a sneak SuicideAttack that nearly kills Loki when Thor rushes in to save him. The Magic Feather turns out to not be a MagicFeather, but actually have a use, and heals both of them, and they go after Surtur in a massive battle to top any and all previous massive battles and be a CrowningMomentOfAwesome for both brothers. Then, Loki will leave, pointing out that he's still done horrible things, but he'll come by now and again "to make things not so boring" (aka help out if they need him). It will be a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, a {{Tearjerker}} and proof that Loki can never really be a KarmaHoudini here.
* And then, in the coda, we'll see the Enchantress forming the Masters of Evil to go after Jane Foster...
* [[http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Casino-Royale-Mads-Mikkelsen-May-Play-Villain-Thor-2-31101.html Apparently]] Loki will be returning, but not as the villain. They're in talks with Mads Mikkelsen to play the villain, but who he'll play is kind of up in the air. The article dismisses the Executioner based on size, but after watching Valhalla Rising, I could definitely see him in the role. If they can make Idris Elba Heimdal, they can make Mads Mikkelsen the Executioner. That being said, Executioner's still kind of a pawn to Enchantress, and both are really a step down from Loki in every respect. Someone else threw out the idea he'd play Malekith, but really, that'd just be Loki's angle without the brother/father issues.
** The villain has been confirmed as Christopher Eccleston playing Malekith the Accursed. Perhaps this could set up Ragnarok and Surtur for the third movie, just as Malekith was the prelude in the comics.

[[WMG: The BigBad of ''Thor 2'' will be Surtur.]]
They wouldn't miss the chance of using one of the best (as well as the best-known) story arcs from the comic book, would they? Also, since the movie version of Loki is an AntiVillain seeking his father's approval, the Surtur War will give him a chance to redeem himself. (In the comic book Loki also fought Surtur, although for more selfish reasons.)
* If this happens, and they use the "For Asgard/Midgard/myself!" lines, the theaters will explode from awesome.
* Does this mean Beta Ray Bill will show up?

[[WMG: Thor 2 will have a romantic subplot...]]
Focusing on the Sif-Thor-Jane [[TriangRelations love triangle]] (type 1 or 10, depending on whether you interpret Thor and Jane being friends or an item). Thor and Jane are definitely set up in the first film, while Sif is very much attracted to Thor (and he flirts with her) along with being his wife in [[Myth/NorseMythology the original myths]].

[[WMG: The Enchantress will break Loki out of prison in ''Thor 2''.]]
Yup.

[[WMG: ''Thor 2'' leads into ''Captain America 2'']]
Thanos will recruit the Red Skull, who has been imprisoned in Odin's trophy room following ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', to steal the Infinity Gauntlet. He will then send Red Skull back to Midgard to serve as his herald, thus setting the plot for ''Captain America 2''.

[[WMG: The villains of ''Thor 2'' will be Hela (casting unknown) and her Black Elf father (formerly Mads Mikkelsen, now unknown), and will provide a mirror of Loki's issues with Odin.]]
As far as I know, all we know about the villain is that he's supposedly ''not'' Thanos. Mads Mikkelsen would be passable as a svartalfr, if the makeup toned him down instead of emphasizing him like the Jotun. As a person raised on Jotunheim who seems suspiciously human-like, pale of skin and raven of hair, she could easily parallel Loki, born of Jotun and taken by the Aeis. Considering the reputation the svartalfar have for being magical craftsmen akin to (or kin of) the Dwarves, it's possible that they will be brought in to fix the Bifrost or [[MythologyGag contain Loki]] and then (under the guidance of the Jotun-raised [Princess?] Hela) attempt a power grab.

[[WMG: ''Thor 2'' will involve Thor, Sif, and the Warriors Three traveling to other realms to face a threat. Since the Bifrost is still damaged, they will be forced to [[ConsultingAConvictedKiller use Loki as a guide]].]]

[[WMG: Loki will spend the majority of his time in Thor 2: The Dark World banished to the Isle of Silence.]]
That is, until [[spoiler: Thanos]] comes looking for him...
* Seems to be Jossed - [[spoiler: Loki's certainly locked up somewhere, but it looks like Thor went to get him first.]]

[[WMG: Thor 2 will open Jane opening a wormhole.]]
She will manage to end up in Asgard, but is found by two guards who do not recognize her as Thor's Midgardian love, but assume she is an enemy, chain her up, and bring her to the king. . .who is Thor.

[[WMG: We will see some bilge snipe in Thor 2.]]
Or at least, a glimpse of one.

[[WMG: The Casket will be the centerpiece of Thor 2.]]
Of the many weapons Loki uses in The Avengers, among them is ''not'' the casket, which we know he has with him. I'm guessing that he saw that his defeat was possible, so he left the casket on Earth as a way to either attract the Jotun to attack Midgard or as a form of bomb. The Casket will activate at a predetermined time, thus endangering the world since no mortal could approach it.

[[WMG: The fact that Loki is a frost giant will prove beneficial during Thor 2]]
Either [[spoiler: Malekith]] is hiding in an obscenely cold place, or [[spoiler: Malekith]] refuses to work with either humans or Asgardians, so Thor and Odin have to send Loki to talk to Malekith. Loki has mixed feelings on the whole thing. On the one hand, he's being used. On the other, they do need him...

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Coulson]] and Loki will share a scene with eachother when they are saving the world.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Malekith]] will visit Loki in his cell]]
[[spoiler: Malekith]] will offer things to Loki for either help or information. Loki turns him down. Expect this and the scene where Loki passes the information onto Thor to be his only two scenes.

[[WMG: Volstagg will be noticably heavier in the next movie.]]
Possibly as a result of being introduced to "junk food" on Midgard.

** Because before then there was no requirement to wield it. This could still be conceivably true, if Odin has done so much IDidWhatIHadTo that he's not worthy of being called a hero.

Like Hogun, he comes from another world and simply has been living in Asgard for centuries. Certainly explains why he seems to be the only black person there.

Another subset of people, who, like the Time Lords developed a different sort of [[AppliedPhlebotinium mega powerful technology]] except it traverses space instead of time.

What with Creator/{{Disney}} having bought {{Marvel}} and all. Think about it: they both have long blonde hair, they both wear green, they're both described as being incredible beautiful, and they both do not react well to rejection. I can't unsee it!

[[WMG: [[{{Enchanted}} Andalasia]] is another one of the worlds on Yggdrasil.]]

* Or like calling MorganFreeman "Red" [[TheShawshankRedemption because he's Irish.]]

It's not about Asgard having no female warriors (the old Norse women were quite capable, and evidence suggests they would go into battle alongside men fairly often). Rather, it's about Sif become ''so awesome'' of a warrior that she's part of Thor's elite hit squad. Asgardian women can certainly kick ass (witness Frigga in Thor: The Dark World), but any warrior who wants to join Thor's merry band has to be the absolute top-shelf of badassery. Asgardians scoffed at Sif for wanting to be that caliber of warrior, not just for wanting to be a warrior in general. As they might scoff at any male who said "I'm going to join Thor and Warriors Two when I grow up!" by saying "Well, you'll have to be able to take on a dozen Einherjar signle-handed, boy."

[[WMG: In the MarvelCinematicUniverse, Hel is a necromancer rather than the goddess of the dead.]]

Think about it; the wardrobe, the deadpan voice, how completely unphased she is by Thor. Oh yeah, [[TheDoors she gets high]].

** Or maybe, in the MCU only, of course, the helmet itself comes with some important role in Asgard, like the Captain of the Guard or Head Mage or something - makes sense to throw Loki a bone when Thor is being made King of Asgard. However, this theory, if taken to its logical conclusion, also makes his continued usage of the helmet in ''Film/{{The Avengers}}'' either a Crowning Moment of Fridge Heartbreaking (as in, he can't bear to part with the only symbol of leadership they gave him in Asgard, regardless of how it is also a continual reminder of his perceived inferiority to Thor, and the idea that he is still Asgardian at heart and resolutely doesn't identify with the Jotun), or just really weird. (Or maybe this troper [[YoureInsane just needs to get some sleep]].)

** He may not even have to wait for ''Thor 2'' -- it's possible that WordOfGod about his villainhood in ''Film/TheAvengers'' is a misdirect, and that he's only TheDragon, and will have his HeelFaceTurn before the end of that movie.
*** According to another interview with Creator/TomHiddleston, while there will be spots of hope for Loki's redemption in ''Film/TheAvengers'', he will not be redeemed. It is rather likely, however, that the bigger villain will turn up in ''Thor 2'' and Loki will join with Thor in order to defeat this new threat.

Because they clearly state Thor is going to be in ''Film/TheAvengers'', and Loki used a secret passageway that wasn't Bifrost.