History WMG / SaintsRowIV

*** This part, at least, appears to be {{Jossed}}. Creator/KeithDavid is playing [[AsHimself Vice President Keith David]]. But characters {{Lampshade}} how [[TalkingToHimself how he sounds a LOT like Julius]]...

* Jossed about being Julius ([[TalkingToHimself they just sound alike]]), and being the BigBad over Zinyak. Confirmed for the FaceHeelTurn, but he makes a HeelFaceTurn back.

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* [[spoiler: Backed by the fact that Nathan Fillion is God.]]

[[spoiler: ** The game seems to take a mix of the two, with Boss taking power even though s/he stopped STAG's terrorist attack.]]

[[spoiler: Well Creator/KeithDavid is the Vice President. Interestingly there is a line that's censored at the beginning of the game, so it might be that Boss going for revenge will be [[RetCon retconned]] like other elements have been.]]

* May be Jossed, [[spoiler:considering Earth is Atomotized. The Earth was is bad shape in Red Faction though but not to the EarthShatteringKaboom way.]]

** [[spoiler: Lin's, Aisha's, and Carlos']] deaths were met with no small amount of denial by the Protagonist, and fueled by his/her inner desire to have them back, they DO return with a phone call to a voodoo company... but given his/her insanity, he/she only remembers that he/she was the cause of their deaths, so he/she only "sees" them as zombies and hears comments over the radio that they are zombies, corrupting the good memories he/she had of them.
** [[spoiler: The killing of Julius Little (the closest thing he/she had to a father figure) and the betrayal of Dex (a non-psychotic former close friend)]] actually wrecked the Boss' mind even more, to the point half the people he killed in the Looney Tunes-like mission "Ultor Family Fun Day" in the mission pack "Corporate Warfare" were either hallucinations, or real people he/she was actually killing -- And the ninjas at the rooftop? Either cops trying to put you down, or the memory of all the Ronin you slaughtered coming back to haunt you.

First of all the story will be slightly different depending on which final mission you did first if you have a game save of ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'', or, if not, the game gives you a choice of whether or not [[spoiler: Shaundi is alive]]. No matter the choice, the Boss is forced to return to Stilwater either way, but the HOW is different:

* If [[spoiler: Shaundi is alive]] (Route A), the Saints return to Stilwater for the premiere of ''Ganstas in Space'' there, but the Boss is attack and/or the festivities are ruined when a gang shoot out erupts between members of three upstart gangs wishing to fill-in the partial vacuum left by the Saints during the events of the third game. Thus, the Boss has to boot out these losers from Stilwater.

* If [[spoiler: Shaundi is dead]] (Route B), the Saints are chillin' in the Broken Shillelagh or the Mayor [[spoiler: Pierce Washington]]'s office when a mysterious black garbed gang attacks them out of the blue. Though dispatched easily, the last remaining member blurts out a cryptic warning, saying that Stilwater will be the center of the coming reckoning before dosing himself with cyanide. This sparks worry in the Boss and feeling a bit homesick at this point with returns to Stilwater.

Meanwhile, the overall story arc will involve the Saints directly facing against a group calling themselves '''[[evil: The True Syndicate]]''',the gang that controls the entire Syndicate and the guys [[ManBehindTheMan that Phillipe Loren used to answer to]] before he was killed. The leaders, whom are never seen and fought until the very end of the game, believe themselves to be the ancestors of the few sinners whom survived God's cleansing of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and use their global organization as their way of [[ReligionOfEvil bringing together all of the planet's Evil together and spreading the word of their near-fanatical devotion to crime]], making the group essentially a cult bordering on Satanic. Backstory reveals that Killbane[[spoiler: , having no idea the true leading group ever existed and thinking the Syndicate was merely a equalized coalition or something]] went rogue [[spoiler: by electing himself the new leader after Phillipe's death without going through proper channels]].

* Route A: Commander Cyrus returns [[spoiler: with a new second-in-command]], forced out of retirement and once again clashes against the Saints. However, Cyrus [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure is a bit more mellowed out]] towards the Saints due to the TRUE Syndicate revealing themselves and seeing them as the bigger threat, leading up to a an epic EnemyMine when the Syndicate go into their master plan.

* Route B: Kia is the Commander of STAG [[spoiler: due to Cyrus getting killed off]]. She comes back [[spoiler: after somehow surviving her own false terrorist plot to incriminate the Saints due to unseen cybernetic implants and replacements]] and quite possibly even MORE extreme then before, resulting in STAG not only managing to [[CurbStompBattle COMPLETELY decimate the Syndicate]] but also [[MoralEventHorizon starting to plan possible world domination]] [[KnightTemplar to eradicate all crime off the face of the Earth]].

** Fallen Angels: The Boss winds up in Hell. The True Syndicate Leader ambushes him with a more powerful demonic form and ready to kill the Boss.........but then he gets rescued by [[spoiler: [[BigDamnHeroes Julius and Johnny Gat]] ]]. They then become your homeys in this final battle where you not only have to destroy the True Leader but also the souls of every single major rival gang leader the Boss has ever killed in the entire series. Soon the battle is over, and the Boss meets up with all the other members of the Saints whom wound up in Hell. Flashforward, with a funeral set up for the Boss with control the Saints going to Shaundi and Kinzie, who reveals that she had feelings for the Boss. At the same time, in Hell, the Boss has become one of the top ranking Lords as well as gaining the ability to freely go between Hell and the Living Realm freely without having to possess someone. The final scene has the Boss, along with [[spoiler: Julius and Johnny Gat]], bursting into [[spoiler: Lucifer's throne room and preparing to takeover Hell itself]].

* Route B: The President of the United States along with delegates from the United Nations converge together in Stilwater under the pretense of discussing how to deal with international crime, especially the Saints. Kia, however, plans to rig explosives around the meeting location, basically a repeat of her previous [[spoiler: successful]] plan to discredit the Saints but on a much, MUCH larger scale. Kinzie catches wind of this, and the Boss goes off to save the day. He manages to disarm the bombs and [[EngineeredPublicConfession publicly reveal that Kia was the one who blew up the national landmark from the previous game]]. However, at this point, [[DrivenToInsanity she's mentally at a state where she doesn't care anymore]] and, in a fit of rage, uses the President of the United States as a meat shield to make her escape.. A chase ensues, and during and after you are given the choice of either rescuing the President or focusing entirely on killing Kia.

** KlingonPromotion: The Boss manages to rescue the President, but then Kia gets away. Luckily, the President orders a full on missile strike on Kia's escape vehicle, which is soon completely destroyed with little chance of her being alive. The Boss is then declared an international hero recognized by both the US and the UN. As a reward for preventing Kia from taking over the world, the Saints are allowed to keep Steelport [[spoiler: as a separate city-state]] as well as one other wish. Flashforward to a random country in either the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Africa, or South East Asia ruled by a bloody and violent dictatorship. NATO ships and choppers arrive, but instead of soldiers, members of the Saints arrive with the final mission being a gansta blitz on the country, with the Boss gunning down the leaders of the country and becoming its new ruler. It is revealed the Saints are to be the ones officially sent in by the UN to various dictator controlled countries who refuse to crack down on human rights violations with the gang allowed to conquer the first country they are sent to with automatic UN membership. The Boss chooses Oleg to become the country's new president, which has become the Saints' first ever non-US turf. A short epilogue plays, telling how the country became prosperous and enters a new golden age while under the Saints' control, with the small country becoming a major player in world politics and the Boss eventually revered as a God by the inhabitants.

** New World Order: The Boss allows the President to be killed, by Kia gets away anyway. A few days later, nothing is heard from Kia... until she makes an international announcement that STAG has officially [[NGOSuperpower broken off all ties to the US]] and plans to systematically destroy every major city on the planet unless the governments of each country [[AllCrimesAreEqual enact and carry out death penalties to every single criminal and gang member]] [[DisproportionateRetribution no matter the crime, even littering]], with Stilwater being the first city she wipes out just to show STAG's power. She arrives in a truly MASSIVE airship [[spoiler: that's even BIGGER than the Daedelus]]. Basically World War III erupts, with STAG against the entire UN with the Saints spearheading the attack on the airship. The Boss manages to get inside and cause it to self destruct and/or strapped enough bombs at major weakpoints to blow the ship out of the sky, but then has to face off against Kia, who has strapped herself inside a freakin' giant mech, while under a time limit. The Boss emerges victorious and escapes the airship. The Boss is declared a National Hero and (s)he becomes so revered by the US public that (s)he's unanimously elected as President. [[spoiler: A short epilogue plays where the US under the Boss's leadership leads to the country reaching a level of prosperity unseen since during and right after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, and (s)he becomes so popular (s)he is the first president to have four consecutive terms of office.]] His final act as President before willingly stepping down and retiring was to officially open the very first completed colony [[VideoGame/RedFaction on Mars]]...

[[spoiler: ** Both endings are in some way canon. Boss saves Shaundi Viola and Reynolds and STAG are shown to be terrorist, before Boss becomes President.]]

[[spoiler: ** Logical extension as in all out nuts to the wall anything goes craziness by all accounts: ''Gangsters in Space'' was a movie, ''The Trouble With Clones'' gave Boss superpowers and the fourth game is an extension something called ''Enter the Dominatrix'' with is a play on Franchise/TheMatrix and throws in an alien invasion when Boss becomes President.]]

[[WMG: In ''Saints Row IV'', [[spoiler:Viola dies]]]]
* If one looks at the list of achievements/trophies for ''Saints Row IV'', one will notice that one of the missions is called [[spoiler:"Dewynter Blues"]]. There is a mission with a similar title in ''Saints Row: The Third'' called [[spoiler:"Stilwater Blues"]], where [[spoiler:Shaundi is kidnapped for the first time in ''The Third'']], which is reminiscent of [[spoiler:Shaundi being kidnapped in ''Saints Row 2'']]. If this plays out the same way, then [[spoiler:"Dewynter Blues"]] will be reminiscent of [[spoiler:Viola's twin sister, Kiki, being killed in ''The Third'']].
** [[spoiler: semi-confirmed. She's only mentioned once, but given that the Earth is destroyed, she presumably died with it.]]

[[spoiler: Shaundi from ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' meets her old self from ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2'', so at the very least it will be touched upon.
[[spoiler: confirmed, the fan-theory that it was a combination of her sobering up and Gat's death is now canon.]]

[[WMG: Shaundi's 'nightmare/baggage' used against her by the Zin in IV will be [[spoiler:Gat's death.]]]]
A scene in the trailer showed Shaundi in an area similar to the Syndicate's plane, and it looked like [[spoiler:Gat's body]] was next to her, with a knife stuck in it. Plus, it would be a nice way to give her and Boss some more closure.
** [[spoiler: confirmed, even though Gat shows up alive somewhat later.]]

*** [[spoiler: Half-confirmed, it's more of a ShoutOut to ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' - The game even has loyalty missions and parodies the romance options]]

** Related to the above, maybe he'll turn out to be the real BigBad of the game. You'll end up killing Zinyak in an anticlimactic fashion partway through the game, like [[spoiler: Phillipe Loren]] in Saints Row 3.

* Jossed about being Julius ([[TalkingToHimself they just sound alike]]), and being the BigBad over Zinyak. [[spoiler: Confirmed for the FaceHeelTurn, but he makes a HeelFaceTurn back.]]

** Confirmed, in that they both get grabbed by [[spoiler: Veteran Child]], and a SadisticChoice is presented... [[spoiler: but Jossed when then they both go "[[MeaningfulEcho Fuck. That.]]", and mutually finish him off, [[DamselOutOfDistress all without your help]].]]

* Jossed: [[spoiler: It's Keith David, though only temporarily, and because he was a WellIntenionedExtremist]]

Well, there must be a reason why she was the one specifically snogging the boss in one of the ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' trailers. Not to mention the ShipTease in another trailer when she thinks the Boss was saying she was beautiful (he was talking about a giant robot, but still). On top of that, one of the bosses in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' confesses love for her when she says she'll swipe the Daedalus's specs in the [[spoiler: Kill Killbane]] ending.

[[WMG: The game will end with [[spoiler: the Saints defeating the Zin, stealing their technology, and taking over the galaxy/universe]]]]
Because if this really is the grand finale of the Saints Row franchise, what better way to wrap things up then with the Boss [[spoiler: becoming the ultimate badass/ruler of the known universe]]?

[[WMG: Killbane is responsible for [[spoiler:bringing the Zin to Earth and will return as a supporting or even main antagonist.]]]]
* Seeing as how they're going with the Save Shaundi ending from SRTT, [[spoiler:Killbane's status is still wide open.]] He probably went into hiding then found himself living under saints rule again with the Boss becoming the President and esaped earth (as in Gangstas in Space) but instead of going to Mars, [[spoiler:found the Zin.]]

[[WMG: The ending will reveal [[spoiler:everything was a DyingDream]]]]
[[spoiler: The Boss never became leader of the Third Street Saints. He never became a celebrity. He never went to Steelport. He never defeated the Syndicate or STAG. He never became president. He never fought Zinyak. He's spending his final days in a coma in the hospital wing of Stilwater Prison.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Gat is a Zin clone]]]]

*** Jossed sadly, instead we get a half baked betrayal from [[spoiler: Keith David]] A pity really, with the simulation being designed to break the boss it seems a missed opportunity.

[[WMG:[[spoiler:The "Real World" is part of the simulation.]]]]

[[spoiler:Everything from the President's capture onwards was part of a carefully constructed simulation where, even when the Boss seems to break free, he's still in the simulation. Their spaceship? The attacks on the Zin's mothership? Johnny's survival? Zinyak's death? All part of the simulation, all to placate the Boss and keep them from breaking free. It would definitely explain Zinyak suddenly appearing during the DancePartyEnding.]]
* [[spoiler: Also, many of the simulation-based mechanics and effects, including health packs/cache dropping from dead enemies and the CRT-turning-off effect, appear even in the "Real World."]]

** That, or it ''was'' destroyed, but the Saints were able to restore it with the Zin's technology. After all, Zinyak promised that he could rebuild the world and reincarnate all of it's inhabitants if [[spoiler: Keith David agreed to betray the Saints, and kill the Boss]]. Even if it would have been a moment of him saying "ILied" if [[spoiler: Keith]] accepted, Zin technology would probably be advanced enough that it would have been plausible to develop a "restore planet device" about a few years down the road, especially with {{GageteerGenius}}es Kinzie and Matt working on them ([[spoiler: plus all the other assorted {{HistoricalDomainCharacter}}s who were also abducted/cloned by the Zin]]).

[[WMG: Any post-ending DLC will feature [[spoiler:Creator/JaneAusten as a homie.]]]]

Just Throwing it out here, It's said that ETD happens in [[spoiler: an alternative Zin Invasion storyline, Where the Saints are trapped in a simulation ran by an AI program known as the Dominatrix.]] so there is open room for the chance to Meet the King, Bonus Points if we find out that the King is Cid and Twice the Points if [[spoiler: Cid is a Raptor]]

As is tradition, and though this is series-wide, I put it here because it's Sci-Fi, it'd (somewhat) explain why they always get referred to as boss, regardless of inconsistencies between their apperance: They regenerate, and they also discover the [[spoiler: The Zin have Time Travel Technology.]], which could've been stolen from the Time Lords. This is extremely flawed, but this is Saint's Row IV.

As noted by the Saint's Row Wiki, the model for Earth doesn't actually resemble Earth, my theory is that the Saint's found an inhabitable planet after [[spoiler: conquering the Zin Empire, and, with their Planet destroyed]], they populated this planet, and secretly guided Human development to resemble the original Earth, complete with History and most Geography.

Considering the fact that they're the president, then become a superhero, then the [[spoiler: Emperor/Empress of an alien empire]], and the amount of references.

One major plot point during the game would be the intense rivalry between the Sons and the Deckers, not only due to [[MagicVersusScience differing methods of crime and beliefs]], but also because the Sons' new leader is a [[StrawMisogynist chauvenist who believes women are only good for making children]] and is forced to be in League with a [[AmazonBrigade a entirely made up of girl that can go toe-to-toe with his gang]]. The Saints take advantage of this and excellate the rivalry to where the leaders of both factions duking it out in a no holds barred [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind dreamscape of epic proportions with the]] [[UpToEleven Deckers' leader using a tricked out internet avatar similar to what Matt Miller used and the Sons' leader using a dream avatar induced from drug-induced trance]]. The Boss uses [[SerialEscalation BOTH methods simultaneously to enter the fight and make a MeleeATrois]], with you choosing which one to take down to make permanently brain dead, forcing you to defeat the remaining fighter back in the real world.

[[WMG:DLC will feature Dex returning]] Dex threatens to wage war on the U.S. unless his demands are met. Dex will have an army of aliens(possibly enemies of the Zin) cyborgs(think Metal Gear Rising Revengeance turned UpToEleven) and gangsters under his command. The boss(now president once again with the Earth being restored) uses the simulation along with the time travel device to recruit more allies(Donnie, Troy, Lin, Carlos, Oleg, Josh, Kiki, Viola, etc).Then the saints track down Dex to some WretchedHive city overseas called Stalwart where he rules with an iron fist. You manage to stop Dex's terrorist plans early on but get stranded in Stalwart with no transportation(Dex has a forcefield that prevents any [=UFOs=] or gunships from arriving), so you then have to free the all the territories from the control of Dex's army. You get guns that have elements of your superpowers(I.E. freeze-ray, mind-control gun, TK device) along the way. When you finally confront Dex at the end, it's revealed that he was responsible for the Zin coming to earth in the first place as he found some of their technology and used it contact Zinyak and somehow convinced him to go after earth(something like he lied to Zinyak that the boss was planning to invade and/or blow up other planets and that the Zin were next, which was convincing enough to Zinyak due to your characters sociopathy and Zinyak's own ambition to be leader)

** Confirmed, in that they both get grabbed by [[spoiler: [[BastardBoyfriend Veteran Child]]]], and a SadisticChoice is presented... [[spoiler: but Jossed when then they both go "[[MeaningfulEcho Fuck. That.]]", and mutually finish him off, [[DamselOutOfDistress all without your help]].]]

** At least one trailer showed a Saint in a ridiculous-looking NiceHat and PimpDuds, so Zimos is all but confirmed. Still need to wait for Angel, though...

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[[folder:Saints Row V Speculation]]
[[WMG: Saints Row V speculation.]]
* A prequel focusing on Julius and Ben King and the Origins of the Saints.
* A [[spoiler: Time Travel Quest, involving, saving Aisha, and saving Johnny from being abducted by Zinyak.]]
* A StealthSequel, advertised as a reboot with a new protagonist, [[spoiler: with Earth somehow restored.]]
* An alternate continuity sequel ignoring [=SRTT=] and [=SRIV=]
* Given Deep Silver taking the reigns and putting in a couple of [[ShoutOut Shout Outs]] to [[VideoGame/DeadIsland a certain game]] there'll be a part where we get to do to [[spoiler: Charon]] what we would have really loved to do in that game.
* It'll be revealed that [[spoiler: Earth's destruction]] was a simulation for ultimate emotional torture and when the Saints go home, they are public enemy number one because [[spoiler: Dex has used resources to take over the world in the Saints absence.]] So basically a larger scale SR2.
** Or if they aren't joking with the ''VideoGame/DeadIsland'' crossover, it'll be revealed that the events of the first two DI games took place in the Saints absence. The Boss will have the ability to telepathiclly fuse himself/herself to a playable character in Dead Island, fusing the player traditions of both games.

[[WMG: If there is another game, it will be an alternate universe where the Kill Killbane ending of SR3 is canon.]]
It would basically be a gritty reboot/sequel that would return the franchise back to its gangster roots. Saints Row 4 could be some sort of fan fiction written by someone. Matt Miller maybe, or even the protagonist. Johnny stays dead, Shaundi is dead, and the Boss would be on a downward trajectory of sorts.
** Semi-Confirmed for "Enter the Dominatix", which opens with Pierce as Mayor of Steelport, and Shaundi understandably saying [[KilledOffForReal it was the worst idea they had]]... [[UnexplainedRecovery In spite of being alive and well when the Zin lay siege to Steelport]].

[[WMG: Saints row V will feature SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong as it's key component]]
The entire storyline consists of using the time machine to head to the Boss pre-invasion and giving him a set of notes, but if two of the same person are in a room, reality breaks, so the Saints have to run around themselves.

Except Gat.

The problem? Time Machine's half-busted and fixing it inovlves running across space and time stealing stuff from everywhere, getting back from malfunctioned attempts, and hijinks.

[[WMG: Saints Row V will be Saint's Row: The Western]]
As a riff on ''VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption'', steampunk, and other such things, taking place in a Stilwater that's still recently settled. The player will be the Boss's ancestor, and leader of an earlier incarnation of the Saints as an outlaw gang.

[[spoiler:To tie back to the earlier games, with the introduction of TimeTravel at the end of Saints Row IV, maybe the final BigBad is a supporter/relative of Zinyak who's trying to invoke a GrandfatherParadox on the Boss by going back in time to kill their ancestor, thus ensuring that the Saints never thwart the Zin invasion. Of course, this could lead to Saints from the present day also going back in time to stop him, and becoming the past Boss's homies.]]

[[spoiler:Bonus points if all this mucking around in time [[NiceJobFixingItVillain changes history]] to accelerate Earth's technological growth so that, by the time Zinyak shows up to invade, his ship is blown away by a purple spaceship with gold spinners, which the Saints then use to conquer the Zin homeworld...]]

[[WMG: Whatever the plot, more Internet celebrities will be DLC.]]
Perhaps [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]] and WebVideo/AngryJoe? They'd both fit in perfectly. Yahtzee's avatar could be his famous insane Saints Row 2 character.

[[WMG: Saints Row V will involve time travel gone wrong.]]
The Boss, in a fit of drunken stupor, will attempt to go back in time and rescue all of his dead friends and save the world from destruction at the hands of the Zin. Kinzie will warn them that this is a bad course of action to take, but the Boss will do so anyways. Going back in time, to a time where the past Boss exists, creates some sort of paradox. The Boss either is not the boss, rather just a lackey or the second-in-command, or the Saints no longer exist, and the Boss has to go find his friends and rebuild the non-existent Saints.