History WMG / CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger

** Fox (the firefly slayers - may they all [[Film/AceVentura die of gonorrhea and rot in hell]]) also owns the rights to ComicBook/FantasticFour - and the movie they made of that was kinda lame. And Columbia owns Franchise/SpiderMan. That eliminates the other three big Marvel titles - so what's left for the MCU after The Avengers?

[[WMG: All the Captains America from before Steve's awakening exist in this continuity, and one of them killed [[Comicbook/BlackPanther T'Chaka]]. They will all appear or at least be mentioned in the third movie]]

* Sure it seems like just a coincidence that the same actress was in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', but all it would take is a throwaway line in a future movie, or any WordOfGod, to establish this simple retcon.

** The ''X-Men'' film rights are held by 20th Century Fox; the ''Captain America'' film rights (along with ''Iron Man'' and ''Thor'') belong to Paramount. Maybe that's it? (Note that the ''Hulk'' rights, last I checked, belonged to Universal Pictures... but it seems like Ed Norton won't be playing the Hulk in ''Avengers'' anyway, so they'll probably reboot along with recast him.) Besides which, adding 'the mutant problem' to the series would be overburdening an 'arc' already dedicated to founding and following the Avengers, which is why the above movies are tied together; anything more than a passing reference would be saddling the ''Avengers'' films with something that ''should'' be (and ''is'') already found in the X-movies. Also, [[DorkAge Civil War sucked]].

* Jossed. She shows up in ''Winter Soldier'' played by Emily [=VanCamp=].

* Jossed. A younger Nick Fury appears in ''Captain Marvel''.

* Jossed. ''First Class'' is a different continuity.

** While ''The Winter Soldier'' does confirm that HYDRA engineered Howard Stark's death, it is never explicitly stated if Bucky was one of those who actually participated.
*** Semi-Confirmed as of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier

* All pretty much confirmed, though not in that way, by ''Winter Soldier''

* Contradicted by TIH: they actually did recreate the super soldier serum's strength-gaining properties, they just never were able to work around the psychological side effects.

* Considering the advanced tech that SHIELD has at their disposal, I could easily see Zola being at least an advisor to the group in its early days. His portrayal in the movie (not including the ''Super-Soldier'' game) doesn't seem to make him as gleefully villainous as his comic counterpart. It's implied he's only working for HYDRA due to his love for science, so this WMG is a possibility.

* ''Winter Soldier'' says Zola and many other Nazi scientists were recruited by the Allies as part of Operation Paperclip. [[spoiler: Zola then absorbed HYDRA into SHIELD by slowly convincing people to join HYDRA and be apathetic Neo-Nazi jerkasses wearing black leather and kevlar.]]

* Assuming he ended up in Asgard at all.
* He is now working as...HEL'S JANITOR! (Assuming Nordic Hell needs one.)
* Jossed. He needed up on Vormir.

* Jossed.

* Jossed.

* Confirmed. He ended up on Vormir.

** {{Jossed}}

* Jossed. T'Chaka is killed by Zemo in ''Civil War''.

* Jossed. She became Director of SHIELD.

[[WMG: The little boy Cap saved from the Nazi spy was Coulson's father.]]
A lot of people want him to be Coulson himself, but that would make Coulson at least eighty years old.

The government wouldn't possibly be satisfied with just ''one'' SuperSoldier like Cap. So they would inevitably try again. And Phil Coulson would step up and volunteer without batting an eye. They'd say their attempts at replicating it failed...[[HalfTruth insomuch as they wouldn't get the peak-of-human-physical-conditioning that was Captain America]]. But they got the longevity and enhanced reflexes parts down. Something else they got right was strengthened moral character--someone with Coulson's loyalty and selflessness enhanced into something truly amazing.
* By extension, those vintage cards he "bought on eBay" were actually his from when he was a little boy; he never got rid of them.

* Bucky, after being rescued, has wounds on his face right where the memory suppression device goes in ''Winter Soldier''.

* Zola's expression right after Col. Phillips revealed that Bucky was Steve's best friend. Creating a supersoldier and pointing him at another supersoldier to kill him is one thing. The sheer morale killer that is making a supersoldier fight his presumed-dead, brainwashed best friend will be quite another, as ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSolder'' will demonstrate.

The Captain would still have found out that the room was dodgy since it was part of the final plot -- by realizing the "view" outside was a cardboard cutout, for instance, which is another bit of proof that his senses were a lot better than normal people, while the radio thing was just stupid: if they wanted to "Take it slowly", they could've placed a radio that proclaimed the surrender of Japan, telling him that he ENTIRE world war is over so as to relax, then let Agent Coulson or sb tell him that his coma was, in fact, more than a couple of months.

* I mean, the Red Skull ends up being teleported after being exposed to the raw Tesseract(and the Space Gem) instead of outright killed like originally thougt. What if the beam weapons, instead of vaporizing their targets like it seemed actually randomly sent their victims to random places in the Marvel universe? And think of the possibilities in story telling.

He's smart, skilled, and one of the most badass of the ComicBook/HowlingCommandos. Its clearly implied that the SSR would later form the basis for the organization ComicBook/{{SHIELD}}. And, they have access to blood samples from Steve Rogers with which to attempt to recreate the super soldier serum. So, my theory: like the rest of the Commandos, Gabe goes off with the 107th and the SSR to form SHIELD. He becomes one of the best of their operatives, if not the best. Good enough for two things. One, he's chosen as the recipient of one of the attempts to recreate the SSS, that doesn't work particularly well (aside from retarding aging, probably only discovered later). And two, when Gen. Chester Phillips dies or retires, he becomes his successor as Director of SHIELD, taking on the alias used by the director, "Nicholas Fury." (Try envisioning Tommy Lee Jones with an eyepatch if it helps.)

* Then the MCU has some MAJOR differences from RealLife given what happened to brilliant Nazi scientists post-WWII. And you have to discount ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', as the core of it is [[GeneralRipper General Ross]] wanting to create human WMDS with his "Bio-Force Experiments". The Hulk is almost the polar opposite of Cap - an indestructible monster as opposed to a paragon of humanity.

If the [[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four]] movies do take place in the same Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, this could explain Steve and Johnny's resemblance.

The setup is just too elegant: the first person he sees when waking is his next LoveInterest. Plus her actress, [[Series/TheMentalist Amanda Righetti]], seems a little too big of star for such a small role- and she's already listed as filming ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', and listed as [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/ Sharon Carter.]] Admittedly, the IMDB can be edited by the public, but not quite as easily as a Wiki.

If we assume that the x-men movies and the Avenger movies take place in the same universe than it is possible that the cosmic cube caused the surge in mutations seen between X-men: First Class and the other movies. In First Class, Shaw claimed that mutants were the children of the atomic bomb. Now, of course there were mutants before that but most likely not as many (if there were, than the government would have known about them before Charles revealed himself). In Iron Man it is mentioned several times that Howard Stark worked on the atomic bomb. At the end of Captain America, Howard recovers the cube from under the sea. Red Skull thought the power of the cosmic cube was meant to be seized by superior men. Put it together and what do you get? Howard Stark used Cosmic Cube technology to create the atom bomb and the atom bomb acted as a sort of catalyst to bring out the powers of the ‘superior men.’ And in the X-men universe what is the scientific name for mutants? Homo Superior.

By playing an archive recording of a baseball game (and one in May 1941 at that, sheesh!) they managed to unnecessarily hurt some of their guards (Captain surely showed no mercy at them even though he did not aim to kill) and more importantly, freak the poor hero out: an American agency would never cheat him with a DATED radio program, so maybe the GERMANS dug him out and were attempting to brainwash him later?!
The Captain would still have found out that the room was dodgy since it was part of the final plot -- by realizing the "view" outside was a cardnoard cutout, for instance, which is another bit of proof that his senses were a lot better than normal people, while he radio thing was just stupid: if they wanted to "Take it slowly", they could've placed a radio that proclaimed the surrender of Japan, telling him that he ENTIRE world war is over so as to relax, then let Agent Coulson or sb tell him that his coma was. in fact, more than a couple of months.

* Jossed. She shows up in ''Winter Soldier'' played by Emily VanCamp.

** And ultimately backed up by her appearance in Winter Soldier.

[[WMG: HYDRA will be the/a villian in The Avengers]]

** [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier. Yes. He did. With a new, shiny arm.]]

[[WMG: Jim Morita was a member of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States) 442nd Infantry Regiment]] before he was captured by HYDRA.]]

After he felt off the train, Bucky was rescued by a Soviet unit and turned over the years into the WinterSoldier. As revenge, some RenegadeRussians sent him after Stark, one of the top men at SHIELD, which had played a hand in the end of the Soviet union, to kill him back make his death look like an accident.

*** Semi-Confirmed as of Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier

[[WMG: The movie takes place in an alternate universe of Film/AMatterOfLifeAndDeath.]]

[[WMG: The english city names written on the flying bombs were just for propaganda purposes, filmed or photographed before flight.]]

[[WMG: The Villain for Captain America: The Winter Soldier will be Aleksander Lukin]]

Her service during the war led to a career with the British Secret Service, and was eventually promoted to the head office. After all, Peggy is a diminutive of Margaret, and Daniel Craig's Film/JamesBond mentions in Film/CasinoRoyale2006 that her name starts with an M. No other reason for this than RuleOfCool, though. (Inspired by [[http://archiveofourown.org/works/492785 this fanficiton]]))

Dr. Erskine tells Rogers that the performance enhancing serum wasn't ready when Schmidt took it. Maybe, in that formula, it increased muscle size and dexterity, but didn't prepare the rest of the body for such a change. Schmidt's facial muscles grew, [[{{Squick}} burst through his skin,]] and eventually his body was able to adapt and heal in such a way to give his exposed muscle a sort of skin-like outer layer. And then he was forced to somehow mold a latex skin mask to hide the injuries.

* Sure it seems like just a coincidence that the same actress was in ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', but all it would take is a throwaway line in a future movie, or any WordOfGod, to establish this simple retcon.

* Except that Captain America has no villain more iconic than the Red Skull, or at least no-one that hasn't been compiled into other characters for TheMovie. Look at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Captain_America_enemies this list]] and try to find a villain/villain group that's both unrelated to HYDRA ''and'' not too out-of-date or silly. Though [[spoiler: a Winter Soldier-esque Bucky]] ''could'' be [[IncrediblyLamePun pretty cool]]...

This makes ''all kinds'' of sense; Rogers remembers growing up in an America that called Hitler an ally, called the unspeakable thing that was done to him and thousands of others "reducing the burden of the human race." Of course when the US decided it wanted to fight against those ideas he wanted in. And having been judged completely worthless by those in power, he would be a man who refuses to acknowledge race, nation, religion... he's the guy who refuses to play "my eyes are up here" with a woman, he's the guy who threw his arms over Jones' and Morita's shoulders so they couldn't be cropped out of photographs... he's the guy who would die before he let the bullies win. He's the guy who knows that ''no-one'' is worthless, knows that every single person ''matters.''

* However, other aspects of HYDRA technology could've been developed further. HYDRA EliteMooks seem to use powered exoskeletons. ''Film/IronMan'' establishes that a miniaturized portable power source is perhaps the most important component to a successful suit of PoweredArmor, so Tony Stark could've had a more direct inspiration from their designs once he invented the arc reactor. Building a suit in a cave, with a box of scraps, requires that he is at least partially familiar with previous attempts to implement the technology.

** Uh, yeah? It was established in ''[[Film/IronMan Iron Man 2]]'' that Maria Stark is Tony's mommy. Howard calls to her to grab little Tony when he was trying to film for the Stark Expo.

** Or it is Nick Fury (as leader of the HC ) and not gabe Jones (or did they use his name in the film?

* [[Tropers/TitoMosquito This troper]] believes the same thing. She ''does'' resemble Peggy a lot. We'll probably find out in the Avengers movie.

* [[Tropers/TitoMosquito This troper]] wouldn't be surprised if Tony's mother is one of the dancing girls at Howard's presentation.

** It's possible.

* [[spoiler:Half-confirmed, as of AvengersInfinityWar. The tesseract transported him to Vormir, where he has spent the last 70 years as the guardian of the soul stone.]]

* Wasn't Thor born centuries earlIer than Cap?

*** Semi-Confirmed as of Film/CaptainAmerica:CivilWar. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier

** Assuming he ended up in Asgard at all.
** He is now working as...HEL'S JANITOR! (Assuming Nordic Hell needs one.)

** Can we just run with the idea that every comic book character played by Creator/ChrisEvans is a clone of Steve Rogers? Pretty please?

** But wouldn't that make Coulson around 80?
*** Hey, if that serum turned a sickly young man into a frosted specimen of human perfection, then a copy of it could surely and reasonably shave off a few decades.

[[WMG: Agent13 will be in the next movie, but instead of being Sharon Carter...]]

[[WMG: The Villain for Captain America:The Winter Soldier will be Aleksander Lukin]]

In the fifties a new Red Skull emerges, this time being a renegade Soviet agent who took the codename for terror purposes. To fight him the US and the Soviets form a joined squad including the Winter Soldier and a new Captain America, William Burnside. Differently from Naslund and Mace, Burnside has received a version of the SuperSerum, derived from the Nazi one and perfected under the Weapon Plus project. Later Burnside went mad and started believing himself the original, and after he caused a diplomatic incident with Wakanda (namely killing the local superhero Black Panther not knowing he was king T'Chaka) to get the vibranium needed to recreate 'his' shield the military reactivated Mace and Bradley to take him down. Mace is killed, but Bradley successfully subdues him to be placed. Burnside is placed in the refrigerator alongside [=McIntyre=], while Bradley is pardoned. There are no more experiments with the super serum after this, the codename Captain America is not used anymore, and the Winter Soldier later takes down the Commie!Skull.\\
Years later (and the third Cap movie), Dell Rusk ([[ShmuckBait come on, guess!]]), a member of the World Security Council, decides they need someone to replace Captain America after Steve retires in protest for their interference and Fury's less than moral actions, and he unfreezes of need power loss on the refrigerator frees Burnside and [=McIntyre=]. The first gets back the Captain America codename and his replacement shield (Steve kept his), and the other is given a pointy shield and the codename Protocide. And, given that the new Cap is mad, Protocide isn't too sane himself and who Dell Rusk actually is, the results are less than happy. Steve and Bradley come out of retirement, and are soon joined by the Black Panther, actually T'Challa, who has come to take down the mad Captain America. [[CoolVersusAwesome The final battle sees Black Panther versus Fifties!Cap, Bradley versus Protocide, and Cap versus you know who]].

** Fox (the firefly slayers - may they all [[Film/AceVentura die of gonorrhea and rot in hell]]) also owns the rights to ComicBook/FantasticFour - and the movie they made of that was kinda lame. And Columbia owns SpiderMan. That eliminates the other three big Marvel titles - so what's left for the MCU after The Avengers?

* See this fic; [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/16551836 Another Man's Shoes by csulliven]]\\

* Sure it seems like just a coincidence that the same actress was in ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', but all it would take is a throwaway line in a future movie, or any WordOfGod, to establish this simple retcon.