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Or perhaps her little sister, Nyssa. "Avesta" is the scriptures of Zoroastrianism, which like Ra's and his family, has it's origins in Ancient Persia.

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Or perhaps her little sister, Nyssa. "Avesta" is the scriptures of Zoroastrianism, which like Ra's and his family, has it's origins in Ancient Persia.
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Renee Montoya ''is'' in this game, after all, so it's not out of [[IncrediblyLamePun the question]] that Kate could briefly appear. Probably not as ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} (unless it happens very late, especially in the form of a [[TheStinger stinger]]), but maybe she'll be at some social function, or we'll see her very first meeting with Batman from the comics.

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Renee Montoya ''is'' in this game, after all, so it's not out of [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} the question]] that Kate could briefly appear. Probably not as ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} (unless it happens very late, especially in the form of a [[TheStinger stinger]]), but maybe she'll be at some social function, or we'll see her very first meeting with Batman from the comics.



* Anarky, a revolution like this was similar to his goals in BatmanArkhamOrigins.

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* Anarky, a revolution like this was similar to his goals in BatmanArkhamOrigins.''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins''.



Bruce will confront Penguin out-of-costume and get him bragging about his involvement with the Children of Arkham and how it's impossible to prove. Then, during the final battle between Batman, [[spoiler: Vale]] and Penguin, Batman will appear to be beaten, and will trick [[spoiler: Vicki]] into removing [[spoiler: her]] mask... and then he tells them that [[EngineeredPublicConfession Bruce was recording the entire conversation with Penguin and Vicki's unmasking and sent both recordings to every outlet he could find]], ruining both Penguin's VillainWithGoodPublicity routine and [[spoiler: Vale's]] anonymity. After beating down the both of them, one of them will have a VillainousBreakdown and will demand to know what he is, thus giving us the final dialogue choice of the series, between three equally awesome [[BadassBoast Badass Boasts]]:

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Bruce will confront Penguin out-of-costume and get him bragging about his involvement with the Children of Arkham and how it's impossible to prove. Then, during the final battle between Batman, [[spoiler: Vale]] and Penguin, Batman will appear to be beaten, and will trick [[spoiler: Vicki]] into removing [[spoiler: her]] mask... and then he tells them that [[EngineeredPublicConfession Bruce was recording the entire conversation with Penguin and Vicki's unmasking and sent both recordings to every outlet he could find]], ruining both Penguin's VillainWithGoodPublicity routine and [[spoiler: Vale's]] anonymity. After beating down the both of them, one of them will have a VillainousBreakdown and will demand to know what he is, thus giving us the final dialogue choice of the series, between three equally awesome [[BadassBoast Badass Boasts]]:{{Badass Boast}}s:



** It wouldn't be the [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited first time]] Strange worked in the same agency as Waller. Or the [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice second]], for that matter.

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** It wouldn't be the [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited first time]] Strange worked in the same agency as Waller. Or the [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010 second]], for that matter.

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[[WMG:Season three will follow the mentoring of Batman's protege.]]
Depending on if the player had Bruce tell Tiffany Fox the truth and [[spoiler:forgive her for killing the Riddler]], while deciding [[spoiler:to remain Batman at the cost of Alfred's resignation]] in ''The Enemy Within''. Choices will dictate what Batman wants Tiffany to learn: Whether to take priority on saving people or stopping criminals, leading up to her making a SadisticChoice where she uses Batman's teachings to either save hostages and let the bad guy escape, or catch them at the cost of innocents.
* The first episode will feature Tiffany in the middle of training, when she trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now. In the other, Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.
* As a MythologyGag, Tiffany will ask Batman's opinion on her codename, and choices will include Oracle, Batgirl and Spoiler.

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[[WMG:Season three will follow the mentoring of Batman's protege.]]
Depending on if the player had Bruce tell Tiffany Fox the truth and [[spoiler:forgive her for killing the Riddler]], while deciding [[spoiler:to remain Batman at the cost of Alfred's resignation]] in ''The Enemy Within''. Choices will dictate what Batman wants Tiffany to learn: Whether to take priority on saving people or stopping criminals, leading up to her making a SadisticChoice where she uses Batman's teachings to either save hostages and let the bad guy escape, or catch them at the cost of innocents.
* The first episode will feature Tiffany in the middle of training, when she trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now. In the other, Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.
* As a MythologyGag, Tiffany will ask Batman's opinion on her codename, and choices will include Oracle, Batgirl and Spoiler.
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[[WMG:Season three will follow the mentoring of Batman's protege.]]
Depending on if the player had Bruce tell Tiffany Fox the truth and [[spoiler:forgive her for killing the Riddler]], while deciding [[spoiler:to remain Batman at the cost of Alfred's resignation]] in ''The Enemy Within''. Choices will dictate what Batman wants Tiffany to learn: Whether to take priority on saving people or stopping criminals, leading up to her making a SadisticChoice where she uses Batman's teachings to either save hostages and let the bad guy escape, or catch them at the cost of innocents.
* The first episode will feature Tiffany in the middle of training, when she trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now. In the other, Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.
* As a MythologyGag, Tiffany will ask Batman's opinion on her codename, and choices will include Oracle, Batgirl and Spoiler.

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Even by WMG standards, this is too bizarre. Also, bad grammar.


[[WMG:after the end bruce & john have an intense makeout session]]
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[[WMG:Agent Avesta is Talia Al-Ghul.]]

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[[WMG:Agent Avesta is Talia Al-Ghul.Comicbook/TaliaAlGhul.]]
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*** Except not really, [[spoiler: second episode confirms their criminal connections outright. Thomas Wayne was part of a Big Bad Triumvirate along with Falcone and Mayor Hill, and he used his influence to send innocent people to Arkham Asylum.]]

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*** Except not really, [[spoiler: second episode confirms their criminal connections outright. Thomas Wayne was part of a Big Bad Triumvirate BigBadTriumvirate along with Falcone and Mayor Hill, and he used his influence to send innocent people to Arkham Asylum.]]
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* And of course, as with all villains with noble end goals, [[spoiler:Vicki]] will get brutally shot down by a villain ''worse'' than her. That villain will be the one Batman did not take down at the end of Episode 4. If Dent was defeated, Penguin will kill [[spoiler:her]] and assume leadership of the Children of Arkham, being extremely disappointed by [[spoiler:her]] simply walking away after the main goal of revolution comes to pass and wanting to push further, possibly into WorldDomination via the group ''and'' him being CEO of Wayne Enterprises as a cover. If Penguin was defeated, it will be instead him who kills [[spoiler:Vicki]], and then proceeds [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to thank Batman for distracting her long enough]] before going into some hypocritical schpiel about helping the victims of the Children of Arkham's violence after turning Gotham into a full-on police state dystopia, too far gone to realize what the Hell he's talking about.

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* And of course, as with all villains with noble end goals, [[spoiler:Vicki]] will get brutally shot down by a villain ''worse'' than her. That villain will be the one Batman did not take down at the end of Episode 4. If Dent was defeated, Penguin will kill [[spoiler:her]] and assume leadership of the Children of Arkham, being extremely disappointed by [[spoiler:her]] simply walking away after the main goal of revolution comes to pass and wanting to push further, possibly into WorldDomination [[TakeOverTheWorld world domination]] via the group ''and'' him being CEO of Wayne Enterprises as a cover. If Penguin was defeated, it will be instead him who kills [[spoiler:Vicki]], and then proceeds [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame to thank Batman for distracting her long enough]] before going into some hypocritical schpiel about helping the victims of the Children of Arkham's violence after turning Gotham into a full-on police state dystopia, too far gone to realize what the Hell he's talking about.
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* Also the word nothing to fear which refers to what Scarecrow said in BatmanBegins.

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* Also the word nothing to fear which refers to what Scarecrow said in BatmanBegins.''Film/BatmanBegins''.
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* Sort of - [[spoiler: Tiffany Fox, Lucius' daughter, can become Batman's protege with the right options]].
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** Duke's main universe backstory fits pretty neatly both logically and thematically with everything in the game: he ran away from multiple bad foster family placements, and his mom was a Gotham social worker before being driven insane in Endgame. Perhaps in this universe, she worked Vicki's case and Vicki took her revenge for her failures as Lady Arkham.
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* Thus far not confirmed.



* Jossed; [[spoiler:Mayor Hill and Thomas Wayne threw them in the nuthouse]].

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* Jossed; [[spoiler:Mayor Hill and Thomas Wayne threw them his mother in the nuthouse]].
Arkham (after driving her to insanity with drugs) while his father committed suicide]].




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* Jossed: This does not happen.




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** Semi-confirmed- while two of the slogans become an IronicEcho, the final one says that you believe in Harvey.



[[WMG: The BigBad is Bane.]]

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[[WMG: The BigBad of Season One is Bane.]]



Because he's not getting good help at all.

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Because he's not getting good help at all. Alternately, Harleen ''is'' a psychologist established in the Batman Mythos, his psychologist is female, and it would be an interesting way to bring her into the story.




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** Jossed: when the Children of Arkham and Lady Arkham start a prison riot... all he does is watch a door swing back and forth.
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** Jossed: [[spoiler: Tiffany killed the Riddler.]]
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* As a MythologyGag, Tiffany will ask Batman's opinion on her codename, and choices will include Oracle, Batgirl or Spoiler.

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* As a MythologyGag, Tiffany will ask Batman's opinion on her codename, and choices will include Oracle, Batgirl or and Spoiler.
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* As a MythologyGag, Tiffany will asks Batman's opinion on her codename, and choices will include Oracle, Batgirl or Spoiler.

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[[WMG:The last episode will feature a bonus scene.]]
Depending on if the player chose to [[spoiler:welcome Tiffany into the Bat-family]]. [[spoiler:It will feature the start of her Batgirl training. In the middle of parkour or sparring practice, Tiffany trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now, while in the other Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.]]


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[[WMG:Season three will follow the mentoring of Batman's protege.]]
Depending on if the player had Bruce tell Tiffany Fox the truth and [[spoiler:forgive her for killing the Riddler]], while deciding [[spoiler:to remain Batman at the cost of Alfred's resignation]] in ''The Enemy Within''. Choices will dictate what Batman wants Tiffany to learn: Whether to take priority on saving people or stopping criminals, leading up to her making a SadisticChoice where she uses Batman's teachings to either save hostages and let the bad guy escape, or catch them at the cost of innocents.
* The first episode will feature Tiffany in the middle of training, when she trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now. In the other, Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.
* As a MythologyGag, Tiffany will asks Batman's opinion on her codename, and choices will include Oracle, Batgirl or Spoiler.
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* Basically, no matte
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[[WMG:The way you shape John Doe will affect life in Gotham]]
It's inevitable that John will become the Joker, but you can influence how "evil" he is, as demonstrated at the end of Chapter 4, where the Joker can become a vigilante or a villain. If you influenced John to become a vigilante, while still destructive, he will be no where NEAR as destructive as he is as a villain.
*As such, it's likely that even though it's not possible to save the Joker from himself, you can create a Joker with a relatively low bodycount, TRIES therapy when locked in Arkham, genuinely respects your code and will try to avoid breaking it (mental conditions permitting). He might even enforce your code on other criminals (even though he himself doesn't follow it), meaning he still is in a sense a vigilante and Batman ''is'' succeeding in creating a safer Gotham. Which is a nice thought, considering it's heavily implied in-game that you are a new source of pain in Gotham.
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Depending on if the player chose to [[spoiler:welcome Tiffany into the Bat-family]]. [[spoiler:It feature the start of her Batgirl training. In the middle of parkour or sparring practice, Tiffany trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now, while in the other Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.]]

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Depending on if the player chose to [[spoiler:welcome Tiffany into the Bat-family]]. [[spoiler:It will feature the start of her Batgirl training. In the middle of parkour or sparring practice, Tiffany trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now, while in the other Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.]]
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[[WMG:There will be a Suicide Squad spin-off.]]
If BOTH Waller and Harley survive the season.
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[[WMG:The last episode will feature a bonus scene.]]
Depending on if the player chose to [[spoiler:welcome Tiffany into the Bat-family]]. [[spoiler:It feature the start of her Batgirl training. In the middle of parkour or sparring practice, Tiffany trips and the player is given the option of catching her or letting her fall. The first has Bruce motivate Tiffany by telling her they are teammates now, while in the other Bruce plays the SternTeacher card and reminds her this will be harder out in the field.]]
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[[WMG: As in Season 1, Episode 5 will open with one of two possible sequences, dependent upon what your final decision was in Episode 4]]
My thoughts:
* If you went the "John becomes Villain" route, you'll start the episode helping Waller's agents apprehend a now-totally-deranged Harley, possibly from her and John's amusement park retreat.
* If John became a Vigilante instead, you start by having to evade Waller's Agents (who are pissed that you let him go), with John eventually showing up to help you in his own horrifying fashion. Possibly, the agents will actually track you down to the Batcave, forcing you to make an escape.

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[[WMG: The boy in Episode 4]]
Will become Robin in a future season. He's got the motivation, and he's already "the boy that saved Batman", so he'd be the most logical choice (at this point) to become the Boy Wonder. Plus there'd be points for realistically adding diversity to the cast.
* [[ComicBook/WeAreRobin Duke Thomas]] anyone?

[[WMG: Lady Arkham was trained by the League of Shadows.]]
First, their goals (the destruction of Gotham, anarchy in and dismantling Gotham) closely align, as do [[WretchedHive their views]] of the city. It would explain how [[spoiler:a reporter]] learned to fight so well, and where the Leader would have gotten such advanced technology.
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[[WMG: The boy in Episode 4]]
Will become Robin in a future season. He's got the motivation, and he's already "the boy that saved Batman", so he'd be the most logical choice (at this point) to become the Boy Wonder. Plus there'd be points for realistically adding diversity to the cast.
* [[ComicBook/WeAreRobin Duke Thomas]] anyone?

[[WMG: Lady Arkham was trained by the League of Shadows.]]
First, their goals (the destruction of Gotham, anarchy in and dismantling Gotham) closely align, as do [[WretchedHive their views]] of the city. It would explain how [[spoiler:a reporter]] learned to fight so well, and where the Leader would have gotten such advanced technology.

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[[WMG: The boy in Episode 4]]
Will become Robin in a future season. He's got the motivation, and he's already "the boy that saved Batman", so he'd be the most logical choice (at this point) to become the Boy Wonder. Plus there'd be points for realistically adding diversity to the cast.
* [[ComicBook/WeAreRobin Duke Thomas]] anyone?

[[WMG: Lady Arkham was trained by the League of Shadows.]]
First, their goals (the destruction of Gotham, anarchy in and dismantling Gotham) closely align, as do [[WretchedHive their views]] of the city. It would explain how [[spoiler:a reporter]] learned to fight so well, and where the Leader would have gotten such advanced technology.



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* Alternatively, she'll skip straight to being Oracle. Arguably Oracle has become a more familiar part of the Batfamily than Batgirl, and Tiffany's skills seem to lie more in technical support than combat.




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* Lady Arkham, if we can count potential ''former'' members. She turned to evil because she was declared insane under false pretenses, and the other members of the Pact appear to have been subjects of some kind of experimentation while incarcerated. Maybe the Pact was formed specifically to get even with the agencies that caused this.



* Most likely Jossed, with the revelation that they only needed the body for [[spoiler: the Lotus toxin in his blood, or more accurately the antibodies to Lotus toxin in his blood. Since we last saw his body being rapidly decomposed due to the Agency meddling with his cryo-coffin-thing, so it's doubtful he can ever be revived.]]

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* Most likely Jossed, with the revelation that they only needed the body for [[spoiler: the Lotus toxin in his blood, or more accurately the antibodies to Lotus toxin in his blood. Since we last saw his body being rapidly decomposed due to the Agency meddling with his cryo-coffin-thing, so it's doubtful he can ever be revived.]]



** It wouldn't be the [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited first time]] Strange worked in the same agency as waller. Or the [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice second]], for that matter.

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** It wouldn't be the [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited first time]] Strange worked in the same agency as waller.Waller. Or the [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice second]], for that matter.



I'm basing this on a couple things. 1) They're being rather discrete about Sanctus considering how much of the season's plot they drive, implying that they're building up to a reveal. 2) John Doe's spotty record at Arkham would imply some kind of coverup, and his physical appearance may well be the result of some pharmaceutical exposure. 3) Sanctus was developing a virus that the Pact want to cure their various malaises. This would be an excellent way of extorting service from them, and we already know Waller's involvement usually implies Suicide Squad. Ergo, I posit that the Agency, in association with Thomas Wayne, was using Arkham (and most probably other prisons) as a breeding ground for Suicide Squaddies.

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I'm basing this on a couple things. 1) They're being rather discrete about Sanctus considering how much of the season's plot they drive, implying that they're building up to a reveal. 2) John Doe's spotty record at Arkham would imply some kind of coverup, and his physical appearance may well be the result of some pharmaceutical exposure. 3) Sanctus was developing a virus that the Pact want to cure their various malaises. This would be an excellent way of extorting service from them, and we already know Waller's involvement usually implies Suicide Squad. Ergo, I posit that the Agency, in association with Thomas Wayne, was using Arkham (and most probably other prisons) as a breeding ground for Suicide Squaddies.Squaddies.

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* Deadshot. We're apparently meant to believe a Sanctus agent is the one who whacked Riddler, and we can all agree it was a Deadshot-Worthy shot. Also, they're clearly also building up to Suicide Squad, so that fits right in.

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* Deadshot. We're apparently meant to believe a Sanctus agent is the one who whacked Riddler, and we can all agree it was a Deadshot-Worthy shot. Also, they're clearly also building up to Suicide Squad, so that fits right in.in.

[[WMG: SANCTUS worked with Thomas Wayne to perform medical tests on Arkham Asylum inmates]]
I'm basing this on a couple things. 1) They're being rather discrete about Sanctus considering how much of the season's plot they drive, implying that they're building up to a reveal. 2) John Doe's spotty record at Arkham would imply some kind of coverup, and his physical appearance may well be the result of some pharmaceutical exposure. 3) Sanctus was developing a virus that the Pact want to cure their various malaises. This would be an excellent way of extorting service from them, and we already know Waller's involvement usually implies Suicide Squad. Ergo, I posit that the Agency, in association with Thomas Wayne, was using Arkham (and most probably other prisons) as a breeding ground for Suicide Squaddies.
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** Well... it's confirmed that Cobblepot gave Harley information she needed while she was working in Blackgate, so... sort of?




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* Most likely Jossed, with the revelation that they only needed the body for [[spoiler: the Lotus toxin in his blood, or more accurately the antibodies to Lotus toxin in his blood. Since we last saw his body being rapidly decomposed due to the Agency meddling with his cryo-coffin-thing, so it's doubtful he can ever be revived.]]



* [[spoiler: Confirmed that John knows Bruce's identity as of the fourth episode of the second season.]]

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* [[spoiler: Confirmed that John knows Bruce's identity as of the fourth episode of the second season.]]]]

[[WMG: Members of Sanctus]]
Admittedly, there's only one episode left in the season and we still have other stuff to deal with, so I doubt we'll get confirmation either way anytime soon. But still:
* Achilles Milo. He's not seen much nowadays, but his last prominent appearance in media was him working with Waller before going rogue, so that fits pretty well.
* Hugo Strange, possibly, because he's a good big-time Bat foe
* Deadshot. We're apparently meant to believe a Sanctus agent is the one who whacked Riddler, and we can all agree it was a Deadshot-Worthy shot. Also, they're clearly also building up to Suicide Squad, so that fits right in.
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* [[spoiler:Partially jossed, partially confirmed: You ''can'' prevent John from becoming a villain if you play your cards right, but then he becomes a vigilante instead, which is still not a completely ideal outcome. Additionally, if John does become a villain, it's the Agency's actions (and to an extent Bruce's actions) that drive him into it rather than Harley's influence.]]




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* [[spoiler: Jossed; Bruce is able to escape the freezing device at the beginning of Season 2 Episode 4, but only because he's able to use his phone to activate the nearby EMP device, which disables the autolocks on the freeze device and allows Bruce to escape.]]

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