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* IKnewIt: A good portion of the fandom postulated that Commander Hurricane was in fact the only male among Equestria's founders.
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* WordOfDante: According to Amy Keating Rogers, it was previously discussed that Celestia and Luna were alicorns by birthright, unlike Twilight and Cadance who ascended from another pony race. This helped dispel many fans' worries over the birth of Flurry Heart, the first alicorn born in Equestria's history. [[spoiler:However, after ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Shadow Play]]'' invoked CanonDiscontinuity via different origin for the Tree of Harmony, it's unclear whether this aspect is still true.]]

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* WordOfDante: According to Amy Keating Rogers, it was previously discussed that Celestia and Luna were alicorns by birthright, unlike Twilight and Cadance who ascended from were born as members of another pony race.race and became alicorns later in life. This helped dispel many fans' worries over the birth of Flurry Heart, the first alicorn born in Equestria's history. [[spoiler:However, after ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Shadow Play]]'' invoked CanonDiscontinuity via Play]]" [[CanonDiscontinuity portrayed a different origin for the Tree of Harmony, Harmony and timetable for its discovery]], it's unclear whether this aspect is still true.]]

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* {{Jossed}}: Conversely, this book also invalidates some of the fandom's previous assumptions about Equestrian history and the two sisters.
** There were other alicorns who raised Celestia and Luna before they were OfferedTheCrown of Equestria. The show, however, later keeps this by implying that Flurry Heart is the first ever alicorn to be born.
** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This forces us to conclude that Discord's reign of chaos must have been relatively short, at least compared to how long the Sisters have been ruling.
** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters. On the other hand, that line could be interpreted as long before Celestia ruled alone, after taking care of the decidedly non-peaceful threats of Discord, Sombra, and Nightmare Moon.
** Luna's nickname for Celestia is "Celie", not "Tia". The spelling is also unusual, since most fans who proposed similar nicknames for Celestia have spelled it "Celly".
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** There were other alicorns who raised Celestia and Luna before they were OfferedTheCrown of Equestria.

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** There were other alicorns who raised Celestia and Luna before they were OfferedTheCrown of Equestria. The show, however, later keeps this by implying that Flurry Heart is the first ever alicorn to be born.
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* WordOfDante: According to Amy Keating Rogers, it was previously discussed that Celestia and Luna were alicorns by birthright, unlike Twilight and Cadance who ascended from another pony race. This helped dispel many fans' worries over the birth of Flurry Heart, the first alicorn born in Equestria's history.

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* WordOfDante: According to Amy Keating Rogers, it was previously discussed that Celestia and Luna were alicorns by birthright, unlike Twilight and Cadance who ascended from another pony race. This helped dispel many fans' worries over the birth of Flurry Heart, the first alicorn born in Equestria's history. [[spoiler:However, after ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Shadow Play]]'' invoked CanonDiscontinuity via different origin for the Tree of Harmony, it's unclear whether this aspect is still true.]]
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* WordOfDante: According to Amy Keating Rogers, it was previously discussed that Celestia and Luna were alicorns by birthright, unlike Twilight and Cadance who ascended from another pony race. This helped dispel many fans' worries over the birth of Flurry Heart, the first alicorn born in Equestria's history.

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** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters.\\
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That line could be interpreted as long before Celestia ruled alone, after taking care of the decidedly non-peaceful threats of Discord, Sombra, and Nightmare Moon.

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** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters.\\
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On the other hand, that line could be interpreted as long before Celestia ruled alone, after taking care of the decidedly non-peaceful threats of Discord, Sombra, and Nightmare Moon.

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** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This forces us to conclude that Discord's reign of chaos must have been fairly short, even though [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 Celestia previously said]] "he ruled Equestria in an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness."
** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters.
*** That line could be interpreted as long before Celestia ruled alone, after taking care of the decidedly non-peaceful threats of Discord, Sombra, and Nightmare Moon.
** Luna's nickname for Celestia is "Celie", not "Tia". The spelling is also unusual, since most fans who proposed similar nicknames for Celestia have spelled it "Celly".

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** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This forces us to conclude that Discord's reign of chaos must have been fairly relatively short, even though [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 Celestia previously said]] "he ruled Equestria in an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness."
at least compared to how long the Sisters have been ruling.
** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters.
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That line could be interpreted as long before Celestia ruled alone, after taking care of the decidedly non-peaceful threats of Discord, Sombra, and Nightmare Moon.
** Luna's nickname for Celestia is "Celie", not "Tia". The spelling is also unusual, since most fans who proposed similar nicknames for Celestia have spelled it "Celly"."Celly".
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*** That line could be interpreted as long before Celestia ruled alone, after taking care of the decidedly non-peaceful threats of Discord, Sombra, and Nightmare Moon.
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* DevelopmentGag: One of Pinkie Pie's entries in the journal of friendship is about her efforts to create and popularize a new holiday, "Lollygabbing Day". This is based on an actual episode pitch by Amy Keating Rogers that didn't make the cut.
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** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This forces us to conclude that Discord's reign of chaos must have been fairly short.

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** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This forces us to conclude that Discord's reign of chaos must have been fairly short.short, even though [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 Celestia previously said]] "he ruled Equestria in an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness."
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* {{Jossed}}: This book invalidates some of the fandom's previous assumptions about Equestrian history and the two sisters.

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* {{Jossed}}: This Conversely, this book also invalidates some of the fandom's previous assumptions about Equestrian history and the two sisters.
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* IKnewIt: A good portion of the fandom postulated that Commander Hurricane was in fact the only male among Equestria's founders.
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** There were other alicorns who raised Celestia and Luna before they were OfferedTheCrown of Equestria.
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** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This has the effect of making Discord's reign of chaos look fairly short.
** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters.
** Luna's nickname for Celestia is "Celie", not "Tia".

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** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This has the effect of making forces us to conclude that Discord's reign of chaos look must have been fairly short.
** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters.
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** Luna's nickname for Celestia is "Celie", not "Tia". The spelling is also unusual, since most fans who proposed similar nicknames for Celestia have spelled it "Celly".

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* {{Jossed}}: This book invalidates some of the fandom's previous assumptions about Equestrian history.

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* {{Jossed}}: This book invalidates some of the fandom's previous assumptions about Equestrian history.history and the two sisters.


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** Luna's nickname for Celestia is "Celie", not "Tia".
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* {{Jossed}}: This book invalidates some of the fandom's previous assumptions about Equestrian history.
** Celestia and Luna did not become princesses after overthrowing Discord -- instead, they reigned before Discord took over and had to retake the kingdom from him. This has the effect of making Discord's reign of chaos look fairly short.
** [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]] said that Equestria was founded "long before the peaceful rule of Celestia". One would assume that "long" in this context would mean at least one generation before, but in ''The Journal of the Two Sisters'', all six founders of Equestria are still alive when they offer the crown to the alicorn sisters.

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