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* CreatorBacklash: After the game's release, quite a few Factor 5 developers were unimpressed with how the final product turned out, including creative director Julian Eggebrecht.
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** Creator/CarlosAlazraqui voices Stroh, the Diviner and Brekken.
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** Creator/CarlosAlazraqui voices Stroh, the Diviner and Brekken.
** Creator/FredTatasciore voices Atta-Kai as well as some one-off characters.
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* CreatorKiller: This was the last game by the American arm of Factor 5, which spent the following two years shopping concepts and starting abortive projects (including a compilation of their ''VideoGame/RogueSquadron'' trilogy) before being closed.
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* CreatorKiller: This was the last game by the American arm of Factor 5, which spent the following two years shopping concepts and starting abortive projects (including a compilation of their ''VideoGame/RogueSquadron'' trilogy) before being closed.
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* CreatorKiller: Though the direct financial impact is somewhat overstated (in fact, in [[https://www.polygon.com/features/2018/1/17/16886514/lair-what-went-wrong a 2018 post-mortem]], Factor 5's president insisted the game was profitable), it did kill Factor 5's exclusive game agreement with Sony, which came back to bite Factor 5 in the ass when the publisher of an unannounced ''Superman'' game died and the company had no project to fall back on. It likely was also a major factor in the quiet abandonment of the Sixaxis motion control system by Sony.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was originally supposed to have been part of the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' franchise, specifically the "Dragonlance" setting. Wizards of the Coast requested a hefty sum for the rights to the franchise, so ''Lair'' was developed as its own IP.
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* CompletelyDifferentTitle: The game was known as "Rise from Lair" for its Japanese release.
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* CreatorKiller: Though the direct financial impact is somewhat overstated (infact, in a [[https://www.polygon.com/features/2018/1/17/16886514/lair-what-went-wrong a 2018 post-mortem]], Factor 5's president insisted the game was profitable), it did kill Factor 5's exclusive game agreement with Sony, which came back to bite Factor 5 in the ass when the publisher of an unannounced ''Superman'' game died and the company had no project to fall back on. It likely was also a major factor in the quiet abandonment of the Sixaxis motion control system by Sony.
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* CreatorKiller: Factor 5 went out of business when the game bombed. It likely was also a major factor in the quiet abandonment of the Sixaxis motion control system by Sony.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBeSUzmG43g It was later discovered]] that ''Lair'' bombing was the first part of an ExecutiveMeddling DisasterDominoes that involved a Superman open-world game that was SUPPOSED to tie into Warner Brother's [[Film/ManOfSteel Superman movies series]]. Having no immediate successes to fall back on after their publisher started going down the drain left Factor 5 in the position that let it collapse.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBeSUzmG43g It was later discovered]] that ''Lair'' bombing was the first part of an ExecutiveMeddling DisasterDominoes that involved a Superman open-world game that was SUPPOSED to tie into Warner Brother's [[Film/ManOfSteel Superman movies series]]. Having no immediate successes to fall back on after their publisher started going down the drain left Factor 5 in the position that let it collapse.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Music/JohnDebney's score was initially made available through iTunes (in a condensed release, the complete score runs 150 minutes). Despite the game company selling the score rights to an outside company, this trope was eventually {{subverted|Trope}} when La-La Land Records released the soundtrack in a limited edition 2-disc set in April 2014.2014.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The game was originally supposed to have been part of the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' franchise, specifically the "Dragonlance" setting. Wizards of the Coast requested a hefty sum for the rights to the franchise, so ''Lair'' was developed as its own IP.
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* FatalFlaw: It's commonly agreed that ''Lair'' [[ForWantOfANail could have far more successful]] had it had a no motion control option.
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Turns out Lair didn't kill on it's own, but it WAS their last release. The Superman Videogame curse strikes again.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: RobinAtkinDownes as Rohn, Creator/CrispinFreeman as Koba Kai, John Cygan aka [[MetalGearSolid2SonsofLiberty Solidus Snake]], Phil Proctor and Peter Renaday aka [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Warren Vidic and Al Mualim]] aka as Guardians, Creator/FredTatasciore as General Atta Kai, [[BikerMiceFromMars Dorian Harewood]] as [[TokenMinority the only black guy]], and Creator/CarlosAlazraqui as The Diviner.
* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: JohnDebney's score was only made available through iTunes (in a condensed release, the complete score runs 150 minutes). A CD release is expected to be unlikely due to the game company selling the score rights to an outside company. Debney and La-La Land Records have expressed interest in getting the soundtrack rights for a future release, but nothing has happened yet.