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* What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you.'' Within it, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shirou believes that he's just committed an unforgivable act]] [[MoralEventHorizon that cannot be justified in any capacity]], and is so consumed by how he feels so bad about killing Saber that he has to erase every trace of [[spoiler:her]] memory from his mind just to keep from going mad, how he knows he's sacrificing literally everything he has and he knows it just isn't ''worth'' it... but that if given the choice, he would do it again, because a world without Sakura in it is incomprehensible to him.

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* What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you.'' Within it, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shirou believes that he's just committed an unforgivable act]] [[MoralEventHorizon that cannot be justified in any capacity]], and is so consumed by how he feels so bad about killing Saber that he has to erase every trace of [[spoiler:her]] her memory from his mind just to keep from going mad, how he knows he's sacrificing literally everything he has and he knows it just isn't ''worth'' it... but that if given the choice, he would do it again, because a world without Sakura in it is incomprehensible to him.
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* Saber being corrupted by the Shadow and fighting against Shirou is worse when you remember the UBW route, half of which focused on Shirou and Rin attempting to rescue Saber from Caster's control after the latter had taken her in a servant. Fortunately they're able to save her before she is broken down completely. Guess Saber wasn't so lucky this time around.

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* Saber being corrupted by the Shadow and fighting against Shirou is worse when you remember the UBW route, half of which focused on Shirou and Rin attempting to rescue Saber from Caster's control after the latter had taken her in as a servant. Fortunately they're able to save her before she is broken down completely. Guess Saber wasn't so lucky this time around.
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* What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you.'' Within it, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shirou reflects on the fact that he's just committed an unforgivable act]] [[MoralEventHorizon that cannot be justified in any capacity]], how he feels so bad about killing Saber that he has to erase every trace of [[spoiler:her]] memory from his mind just to keep from going mad, how he knows he's sacrificing literally everything he has and he knows it just isn't ''worth'' it... but that if given the choice, he would do it again, because a world without Sakura in it is incomprehensible to him.

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* What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you.'' Within it, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shirou reflects on the fact believes that he's just committed an unforgivable act]] [[MoralEventHorizon that cannot be justified in any capacity]], and is so consumed by how he feels so bad about killing Saber that he has to erase every trace of [[spoiler:her]] memory from his mind just to keep from going mad, how he knows he's sacrificing literally everything he has and he knows it just isn't ''worth'' it... but that if given the choice, he would do it again, because a world without Sakura in it is incomprehensible to him.
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* Saber's death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, when his Command Spell disappears). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab Saber Alter in the heart while she's helpless is just ''mean''. Yet failure to do so triggers the worst BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a 'personal lesson' on what she suffered the past eleven years. No matter which decision you make it is a HUGE PlayerPunch.
** The Tiger Dojo segment afterwards drives it homes even further. While the Tiger Dojo is normally designed to break the tension from the Bad End and give the player advice on how to avoid it, Taiga here will [[BrutalHonesty frankly tell you]] there is no Happy Ending for Saber in this route. [[ShootTheDog You ''have'' to kill her.]]

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* Saber's death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, when his Command Spell disappears). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab Saber Alter in the heart while she's helpless is just ''mean''. Yet failure to do so triggers the worst BadEnd in the game with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a 'personal lesson' on what she suffered the past eleven years.years at the hands of the Matous. No matter which decision you make it is a HUGE PlayerPunch.
** The Tiger Dojo segment afterwards drives it homes even further. While the Tiger Dojo is normally designed to break the tension from the Bad End and give the player advice on how to avoid it, Taiga here will [[BrutalHonesty frankly tell you]] there is no Happy Ending for Saber in this route. [[ShootTheDog You ''have'' HAVE to kill her.]]
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Other entries in the series have made it very clear that Enkidu is Gilgamesh's Only Friend (also the chain may or may not literally be what's left, very strange)


*** Another TearJerker moment from that fight, when you think about it: The chain that binds Berserker? Enkidu. Gilgamesh's best friend in life, and we are left wondering if he named the chain in his honour as he was his MoralityChain, or because he felt Enkidu was holding him back.

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[[caption-width-right:350:''A peaceful sleep. In her last moments, the king has obtained peace that she was never able to obtain.'']]



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[[caption-width-right:350:''"Yeah, I know. I'll do my best. I'll do my best so that he won't get twisted like you. I'll do my best so that he will be able to like himself...! So you should also....forgive yourself."'']]



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[[caption-width-right:350:''"I've always watched you, and I wanted you to smile....Yeah. I wanted to believe that you had it better the more I suffered. I was so preoccupied with that, so I didn't even have time to think about if it was painful or not. I'm sorry I'm a selfish sister....And thanks. I'm glad you always wore that ribbon."'']]
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* Ilya's [[WhatTheHellHero response]] to your choice and the knowledge that you'll have to [[ShootTheDog kill her and Rin]]]] so soon after her SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} in the infamous "Mind of Steel" [[NonStandardGameOver ending]] ought to wring some tears out of [[YouBastard you]].

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* Ilya's [[WhatTheHellHero response]] to your choice and the knowledge that you'll have to [[ShootTheDog kill her and Rin]]]] Rin]] so soon after her SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} in the infamous "Mind of Steel" [[NonStandardGameOver ending]] ought to wring some tears out of [[YouBastard you]].
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* Though it requires playing through the second and third routes for the full impact, Rin discovering the dying Shirou definitely counts. In addition to to her own crush on him, Rin is aware that Shirou is one of the few things that seems to make her sister genuinely happy. She openly wonders how she could hope to even look Sakura in the eye or comfort her given the role she played in his death by not making sure the school was deserted. What happens next though belongs on [[Heartwarming/FateStayNight another page]] for this same reason.

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* Though it requires playing through the second and third routes for the full impact, Rin discovering the dying Shirou definitely counts. In addition to to her own crush on him, Rin is aware that Shirou is one of the few things that seems to make her sister genuinely happy. She openly wonders how she could hope to even look Sakura in the eye or comfort her given the role she played in his death by not making sure the school was deserted. What happens next though belongs on [[Heartwarming/FateStayNight another page]] for this same reason.
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* While Gilgamesh is taking a level in badass when killing Berserker about 13 times in the UBW route, he also destroys Ilyasviel's eyes and rips her heart out of her body, thus making an incredibly sad play on kick the dog.

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* While Gilgamesh is taking a level in badass when killing Berserker about 13 times in the UBW route, he also destroys Ilyasviel's eyes and rips her heart out of her body, thus making an incredibly sad play on kick the dog.KickTheDog.
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* [[WhatYouAreInTheDark The night where Shirou decides to attempt to kill Sakura to end the entire mess.]] Not only does he fail at stabbing her, but it turns out that she was awake the whole time and was absolutely horrified, shaking in fear, despite pretending to be calm about it. Shirou ends up crying, thinking about how he could even consider it, and gives Sakura a CooldownHug.]]

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* [[WhatYouAreInTheDark The night where Shirou decides to attempt to kill Sakura to end the entire mess.]] Not only does he fail at stabbing her, but it turns out that she was awake the whole time and was absolutely horrified, shaking in fear, despite pretending to be calm about it. Shirou ends up crying, thinking about how he could even consider it, and gives Sakura a CooldownHug.]]



* The True Ending has one last kicker, despite being happier than the Normal Ending. [[spoiler: Right before Shirou dies, Ilya rescues him. The entire time he's begging her to let him die so she can live, or at least he's trying to. At the end she goes out with a smile saying she's going to show Shirou a miracle.]]

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* The True Ending has one last kicker, despite being happier than the Normal Ending. [[spoiler: Right before Shirou dies, Ilya rescues him. The entire time he's begging her to let him die so she can live, or at least he's trying to. At the end she goes out with a smile saying she's going to show Shirou a miracle.]]
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** Although this one is somewhat mitigated by some apparent differences between the nature of Counter Guardians and that of the Throne of Heroes. The Throne of Heroes is a part of Gaia, the World itself, and the Heroic Spirits are copied when summoned, with the original getting a sort of brief report of what happened with their copy self when it returns. The Counter Guardians are commanded by Alaya, the collective subconscious of humanity and seem to operate under different rules. While Counter Guardians also seem to get copied when summoned ( and lack free will when "on the job") EMIYA's devastation from what he had to do after the fact (combined with Archer's later appearances where he remembers far more than he should) suggest that he has a much more vivid and complete recollection of his experiences than normal Servants. Since EMIYA's despair stems from his experiences after becoming a Counter Guardian (whereas those in the Throne of Heroes all have traumas from their life)]] it is suggested that Archer ''will'' retain his closure and renewed self-worth after all.

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** Although this one is somewhat mitigated by some apparent differences between the nature of Counter Guardians and that of the Throne of Heroes. The Throne of Heroes is a part of Gaia, the World itself, and the Heroic Spirits are copied when summoned, with the original getting a sort of brief report of what happened with their copy self when it returns. The Counter Guardians are commanded by Alaya, the collective subconscious of humanity and seem to operate under different rules. While Counter Guardians also seem to get copied when summoned ( and (and lack free will when "on the job") EMIYA's devastation from what he had to do after the fact (combined with Archer's later appearances where he remembers far more than he should) suggest that he has a much more vivid and complete recollection of his experiences than normal Servants. Since EMIYA's despair stems from his experiences after becoming a Counter Guardian (whereas those in the Throne of Heroes all have traumas from their life)]] life) it is suggested that Archer ''will'' retain his closure and renewed self-worth after all.



* Saber's death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, when his Command Spell disappears). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while she's helpless is just ''mean''. Yet failure to do so triggers the worst BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a 'personal lesson' on what she suffered the past eleven years. No matter which decision you make it is a HUGE PlayerPunch.

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* Saber's death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, when his Command Spell disappears). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] Saber Alter in the heart while she's helpless is just ''mean''. Yet failure to do so triggers the worst BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a 'personal lesson' on what she suffered the past eleven years. No matter which decision you make it is a HUGE PlayerPunch.
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* Though it requires playing through the second and third routes for the full impact, Rin discovering the dying Shirou definitely counts. In addition to to her own crush on him, Rin is aware that Shirou is one of the few things that seems to make her sister genuinely happy. She openly wonders how she could hope to even look Sakura in the eye or comfort her given the role she played in his death by not making sure the school was deserted. What happens next though belongs on [[Heartwarming/FateStayNight another page]] for this same reason.

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* The only ending (and a truly [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet]] one) for the Fate route is "Continuation of the Dream." [[spoiler:Having won the battle, Saber asks Shirou to let her fulfill her duty one final time, and he uses the last Command Spell to order Saber to destroy the Holy Grail.]] The last scene you see is the final moments of [[spoiler:Saber, ending her life as King Arthur. She speaks to Bedivere one last time, talking about how she had a "pleasant dream" -- the first in a long time -- and asks him if it's possible to continue your dream where you last left it when you woke up. Bedivere, sadly aware that his lord is having a {{dying dream}}, comfortingly tells her that yes, you can. When she finally passes away, just to drive the knife in, her last faltering words are telling Bedivere that [[BigSleep her slumber may be a long time]]. Bedivere's parting words to her are "Do you see it, King Arthur? [[PeacefulInDeath The continuation of the dream?]]"]] Cue profound crying.
** Four simple words: [[spoiler:"Shirou...I love you."]]

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* The only ending (and a truly [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet]] {{Bittersweet|Ending}} one) for the Fate route is "Continuation of the Dream." [[spoiler:Having Having won the battle, Saber asks Shirou to let her fulfill her duty one final time, and he uses the last Command Spell to order Saber to destroy the Holy Grail.]] Grail. The last scene you see is the final moments of [[spoiler:Saber, Saber, ending her life as King Arthur. She speaks to Bedivere one last time, talking about how she had a "pleasant dream" -- the first in a long time -- and asks him if it's possible to continue your dream where you last left it when you woke up. Bedivere, sadly aware that his lord is having a {{dying dream}}, DyingDream, comfortingly tells her that yes, you can. When she finally passes away, just to drive the knife in, her last faltering words are telling Bedivere that [[BigSleep her slumber may be a long time]]. Bedivere's parting words to her are "Do you see it, King Arthur? [[PeacefulInDeath The continuation of the dream?]]"]] dream?]]" Cue profound crying.
** Four simple words: [[spoiler:"Shirou..."Shirou...I love you."]]"



*** The combination of [[spoiler:Shirou telling Saber to fulfill her duty even though it's painful for him, her [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments confession of love]] [[DyingDeclarationOfLove shortly before she disappears]], and the music are all gut-wrenching. The DistantFinale in the UpdatedRerelease does soften the ache, but it's still a BittersweetEnding, since [[IWillFindYou Shirou]] and [[IWillWaitForYou Saber]] were separated for decades upon centuries before [[TogetherInDeath being reunited]]; as well as the fact they're both, well, dead.]]

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*** The combination of [[spoiler:Shirou Shirou telling Saber to fulfill her duty even though it's painful for him, her [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments confession of love]] [[DyingDeclarationOfLove shortly before she disappears]], and the music are all gut-wrenching. The DistantFinale in the UpdatedRerelease does soften the ache, but it's still a BittersweetEnding, since [[IWillFindYou Shirou]] and [[IWillWaitForYou Saber]] were separated for decades upon centuries before [[TogetherInDeath being reunited]]; as well as the fact they're both, well, dead.]]



* The ''Fate'' route had already established Ilya as a [[EnfanteTerrible homicidal, sociopathic]] CreepyChild and her Servant Berserker as a NighInvulnerable embodiment of madness and destruction... And then we come across Berserker desperately pressing forward into Gilgamesh's endless hail of swords in an attempt to shield his master. After a flashback revealing their bond in Ilya's backstory, [[spoiler:a now blinded, frightened, and dying Ilya slowly crawls across the floor]], calling out for her Servant for comfort; to fulfill his master's wish, [[spoiler:Berserker defies [[MagicAIsMagicA reality]] and forces his body to physically remain through sheer willpower, when even his mind ought to have disappeared. Upon feeling the touch of (dead) Berserker's stone foot, Ilya is reassured that he will protect her and loses consciousness hoping that he will pet her head when she wakes up. A moment later, Berserker's body begins to crumble to dust, and Gilgamesh rips out Ilya's heart]].

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* The ''Fate'' route had already established Ilya as a [[EnfanteTerrible homicidal, sociopathic]] CreepyChild and her Servant Berserker as a NighInvulnerable embodiment of madness and destruction... And then we come across Berserker desperately pressing forward into Gilgamesh's endless hail of swords in an attempt to shield his master. After a flashback revealing their bond in Ilya's backstory, [[spoiler:a a now blinded, frightened, and dying Ilya slowly crawls across the floor]], floor, calling out for her Servant for comfort; to fulfill his master's wish, [[spoiler:Berserker Berserker defies [[MagicAIsMagicA reality]] and forces his body to physically remain through sheer willpower, when even his mind ought to have disappeared. Upon feeling the touch of (dead) Berserker's stone foot, Ilya is reassured that he will protect her and loses consciousness hoping that he will pet her head when she wakes up. A moment later, Berserker's body begins to crumble to dust, and Gilgamesh rips out Ilya's heart]].heart.



* Similarly, in the anime adaptation, Servant Caster tries to protect her master from [[spoiler:Archer's hail of swords and is fatally wounded in the process. In the calm that follows, Caster desperately checks to see if he is okay. He says he is fine and promises that if she tells him her wish, he will fulfill it in her stead. But she just shakes her head and with a hand to his face says that her wish has just been fulfilled, vanishing with a smile. After another moment, he falls down dead from the fatal wounds he had sustained but kept hidden]]...
** In the game, where it was [[spoiler:Archer's swords, Kuzuki does survive Archer's attack but then insists on attacking Archer without the assistance of Caster's magic and Archer ruthlessly cuts him down.]] Not ''quite'' the same effect.
** The manga redition of this scene is arguably ''worse'': [[spoiler:rather than Caster protecting Kuzuki, it's the other way around as Kuzuki takes Archer's arrow and collapses, to Caster's shock and horror. As Caster starts crying, we get a whole look at Kuzuki's backstory before he dies, and we cut back to him telling her to keep fighting for her wish - Caster insists that her wish was to live a second life with Soichiro by her side, and breaks down completely when he breaths his last. When Archer cuts the sobbing Caster down, it feels more like ShootTheDog than KarmicDeath.]]
* When Archer is fighting [[spoiler:Shirou, his past self, and screaming at the top of his lungs that his entire life was a meaningless waste. As he tries to effectively kill himself, he comes to the conclusion that while his original ideals are beautiful, they can never happen, and the only salvation from the horrors of human atrocities is his own death.]]
* Archer's goodbye to Rin and his last smile. [[spoiler:He talks and smiles just like Shirou, for the first and last time in all three routes...]]
* Archer is a walking tearjerker. He [[spoiler:worked tirelessly towards his ideal of trying to save everybody he could see. He realizes the limits of his powers and begins to fall into his foster father, Kiritsugu's mentality, which is sacrifice the few to save the many. But he still continues to work endlessly to try to make as many people happy as possible. But the people around him become suspicious of him, since he never asks for any rewards, and since he never talks, they start to think he's "ruthless" as well. But the real reason that he never talked or wanted any rewards was because he never had anything to talk about, and his reward was the sole action of saving people. And thus, he keeps getting betrayed by the people he saves, but he continues pursuing his ideal, because he believes that as long he doesn't betray himself, there will be another oppurtunity. He eventually even makes a contract with the World giving his entire afterlife as a guardian to save a few hundred people. He eventually gets killed by one of the people he saved, but even as he is excuted, he's glad that he might still be able to save people after he died as a guardian. But after becoming a guardian, he discovers the truth, in that a guardian's sole duty is to kill people who threaten humanity as a whole, and he is essentially betrayed by his own ideal, causing him to become a cynical and bitter individual, whose only goal is to erase himself from existence by killing his past self]].
* Addendum to the above: [[spoiler:He exchanged his freedom for power to save the people right then, right there. He thought he could continue doing what he had always been doing, but with more power. However, the role of a Guardian is to clean up the mess after it's already too far gone, usually by eliminating whoever is connected to the threat that caused the mess in the first place.. He felt that he ended up saving no one in the end, despite everything.]]
-->'''Archer:''' [[spoiler:I didn't dream of a world without conflicts. I just wanted people in my view not to cry.]]

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* Similarly, in the anime adaptation, Servant Caster tries to protect her master from [[spoiler:Archer's Archer's hail of swords and is fatally wounded in the process. In the calm that follows, Caster desperately checks to see if he is okay. He says he is fine and promises that if she tells him her wish, he will fulfill it in her stead. But she just shakes her head and with a hand to his face says that her wish has just been fulfilled, vanishing with a smile. After another moment, he falls down dead from the fatal wounds he had sustained but kept hidden]]...
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** In the game, where it was [[spoiler:Archer's Archer's swords, Kuzuki does survive Archer's attack but then insists on attacking Archer without the assistance of Caster's magic and Archer ruthlessly cuts him down.]] down. Not ''quite'' the same effect.
** The manga redition of this scene is arguably ''worse'': [[spoiler:rather rather than Caster protecting Kuzuki, it's the other way around as Kuzuki takes Archer's arrow and collapses, to Caster's shock and horror. As Caster starts crying, we get a whole look at Kuzuki's backstory before he dies, and we cut back to him telling her to keep fighting for her wish - Caster insists that her wish was to live a second life with Soichiro by her side, and breaks down completely when he breaths his last. When Archer cuts the sobbing Caster down, it feels more like ShootTheDog than KarmicDeath.]]
KarmicDeath.
* When Archer is fighting [[spoiler:Shirou, Shirou, his past self, and screaming at the top of his lungs that his entire life was a meaningless waste. As he tries to effectively kill himself, he comes to the conclusion that while his original ideals are beautiful, they can never happen, and the only salvation from the horrors of human atrocities is his own death.]]
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* Archer's goodbye to Rin and his last smile. [[spoiler:He He talks and smiles just like Shirou, for the first and last time in all three routes...]]
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* Archer is a walking tearjerker. He [[spoiler:worked worked tirelessly towards his ideal of trying to save everybody he could see. He realizes the limits of his powers and begins to fall into his foster father, Kiritsugu's mentality, which is sacrifice the few to save the many. But he still continues to work endlessly to try to make as many people happy as possible. But the people around him become suspicious of him, since he never asks for any rewards, and since he never talks, they start to think he's "ruthless" as well. But the real reason that he never talked or wanted any rewards was because he never had anything to talk about, and his reward was the sole action of saving people. And thus, he keeps getting betrayed by the people he saves, but he continues pursuing his ideal, because he believes that as long he doesn't betray himself, there will be another oppurtunity. He eventually even makes a contract with the World giving his entire afterlife as a guardian to save a few hundred people. He eventually gets killed by one of the people he saved, but even as he is excuted, he's glad that he might still be able to save people after he died as a guardian. But after becoming a guardian, he discovers the truth, in that a guardian's sole duty is to kill people who threaten humanity as a whole, and he is essentially betrayed by his own ideal, causing him to become a cynical and bitter individual, whose only goal is to erase himself from existence by killing his past self]].
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* Addendum to the above: [[spoiler:He He exchanged his freedom for power to save the people right then, right there. He thought he could continue doing what he had always been doing, but with more power. However, the role of a Guardian is to clean up the mess after it's already too far gone, usually by eliminating whoever is connected to the threat that caused the mess in the first place.. He felt that he ended up saving no one in the end, despite everything.]]
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-->'''Archer:''' [[spoiler:I I didn't dream of a world without conflicts. I just wanted people in my view not to cry.]]



* Something that needs to be said is just how much Archer hates Shirou. [[spoiler:When in the Einsbern Mansion, Saber points out that EMIYA's plan is impossible because EMIYA himself is already outside the boundaries of space-time and causality, his plan is doomed to failed. EMIYA states he's just that desperate and even if he does fail at least something like a hero of justice won't exist in this timeline. EMIYA hates himself so much that he honestly believes that if he doesn't exist, the world is automatically better. Just damn ...]]

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* Something that needs to be said is just how much Archer hates Shirou. [[spoiler:When When in the Einsbern Mansion, Saber points out that EMIYA's plan is impossible because EMIYA himself is already outside the boundaries of space-time and causality, his plan is doomed to failed. EMIYA states he's just that desperate and even if he does fail at least something like a hero of justice won't exist in this timeline. EMIYA hates himself so much that he honestly believes that if he doesn't exist, the world is automatically better. Just damn ...]]



* Arguably, the final epilogue of the route is even more heart wrenching than Archer and Rin's final conversation. Briefly, Archer is able to reflect on his duel with Shirou, and comes to terms with the fact that, no matter what kind of hell his ideal dragged him through, he was not wrong to pursue it. After unknown years of service as a Counter Guardian and wishing only for his own destruction, he was able to stand firm, once again, behind his choices. He knew, once and for all, that he was not wrong. [[spoiler:The only problem is, due to the nature of Servants and the Throne of Heroes, Archer was only a copy of the true Heroic Spirit EMIYA, a copy created solely for the Holy Grail War. The real EMIYA, the one who would continue to serve as a Counter Guardian until the Earth itself died, will never receive the closure and self-assurance that Archer did, which means that he continue to cling to his self-hatred and wish for his own destruction forever. Dammit.]]
** Although this one is somewhat mitigated by some apparent differences between [[spoiler:the nature of Counter Guardians and that of the Throne of Heroes. The Throne of Heroes is a part of Gaia, the World itself, and the Heroic Spirits are copied when summoned, with the original getting a sort of brief report of what happened with their copy self when it returns. The Counter Guardians are commanded by Alaya, the collective subconscious of humanity and seem to operate under different rules. While Counter Guardians also seem to get copied when summoned ( and lack free will when "on the job") EMIYA's devastation from what he had to do after the fact (combined with Archer's later appearances where he remembers far more than he should) suggest that he has a much more vivid and complete recollection of his experiences than normal Servants. Since EMIYA's despair stems from his experiences after becoming a Counter Guardian (whereas those in the Throne of Heroes all have traumas from their life)]] it is suggested that Archer ''will'' retain his closure and renewed self-worth after all.

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* Arguably, the final epilogue of the route is even more heart wrenching than Archer and Rin's final conversation. Briefly, Archer is able to reflect on his duel with Shirou, and comes to terms with the fact that, no matter what kind of hell his ideal dragged him through, he was not wrong to pursue it. After unknown years of service as a Counter Guardian and wishing only for his own destruction, he was able to stand firm, once again, behind his choices. He knew, once and for all, that he was not wrong. [[spoiler:The The only problem is, due to the nature of Servants and the Throne of Heroes, Archer was only a copy of the true Heroic Spirit EMIYA, a copy created solely for the Holy Grail War. The real EMIYA, the one who would continue to serve as a Counter Guardian until the Earth itself died, will never receive the closure and self-assurance that Archer did, which means that he continue to cling to his self-hatred and wish for his own destruction forever. Dammit.]]
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** Although this one is somewhat mitigated by some apparent differences between [[spoiler:the the nature of Counter Guardians and that of the Throne of Heroes. The Throne of Heroes is a part of Gaia, the World itself, and the Heroic Spirits are copied when summoned, with the original getting a sort of brief report of what happened with their copy self when it returns. The Counter Guardians are commanded by Alaya, the collective subconscious of humanity and seem to operate under different rules. While Counter Guardians also seem to get copied when summoned ( and lack free will when "on the job") EMIYA's devastation from what he had to do after the fact (combined with Archer's later appearances where he remembers far more than he should) suggest that he has a much more vivid and complete recollection of his experiences than normal Servants. Since EMIYA's despair stems from his experiences after becoming a Counter Guardian (whereas those in the Throne of Heroes all have traumas from their life)]] it is suggested that Archer ''will'' retain his closure and renewed self-worth after all.



* The game's prologue has a tearjerker moment, the nature of which only becomes clear after finishing ''Unlimited Blade Works''. Rin's summoning goes awry, which is why she ends up with Archer rather than Saber, and as a side effect, her living room becomes a giant mess. The first order she gives Archer, the legendary hero whom she summoned to help her fight for no less a prize than the Holy Grail? "[[MundaneUtility Clean up this mess]]." On the first go-round, it's a pure SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}, but after learning that Archer long ago lost sight of the DespairEventHorizon due to being involved in an endless cycle of pointless violence, performing so mundane a task as housecleaning is probably the closest thing to heaven he can imagine himself attaining, the more so because [[spoiler:he was quite domestic during his lifetime as Shirou, and he's helping one of the girls whom, as Shirou, he loved the most]].

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* The game's prologue has a tearjerker moment, the nature of which only becomes clear after finishing ''Unlimited Blade Works''. Rin's summoning goes awry, which is why she ends up with Archer rather than Saber, and as a side effect, her living room becomes a giant mess. The first order she gives Archer, the legendary hero whom she summoned to help her fight for no less a prize than the Holy Grail? "[[MundaneUtility Clean up this mess]]." On the first go-round, it's a pure SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}, but after learning that Archer long ago lost sight of the DespairEventHorizon due to being involved in an endless cycle of pointless violence, performing so mundane a task as housecleaning is probably the closest thing to heaven he can imagine himself attaining, the more so because [[spoiler:he he was quite domestic during his lifetime as Shirou, and he's helping one of the girls whom, as Shirou, he loved the most]].
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* [[spoiler:Saber]]'s death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when his Command Spell disappears]]). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she's]] helpless is just ''mean''. [[spoiler:Yet failure to do so triggers the worst BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a 'personal lesson' on what she suffered the past eleven years. No matter which decision you make it is a HUGE PlayerPunch.]]
** The Tiger Dojo segment afterwards drives it homes even further. While the Tiger Dojo is normally designed to break the tension from the Bad End and give the player advice on how to avoid it, Taiga here will [[BrutalHonesty frankly tell you]] [[spoiler:there is no Happy Ending for Saber in this route.]] [[spoiler:[[ShootTheDog You ''have'' to kill her. ]]]]

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* [[spoiler:Saber]]'s Saber's death is bad enough (especially when Shirou learns of it, [[spoiler:when when his Command Spell disappears]]). disappears). Forcing the player to make the choice to stab [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the heart while [[spoiler:she's]] she's helpless is just ''mean''. [[spoiler:Yet Yet failure to do so triggers the worst BadEnd with [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Dark Sakura]] giving Rin Tohsaka a 'personal lesson' on what she suffered the past eleven years. No matter which decision you make it is a HUGE PlayerPunch.]]
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** The Tiger Dojo segment afterwards drives it homes even further. While the Tiger Dojo is normally designed to break the tension from the Bad End and give the player advice on how to avoid it, Taiga here will [[BrutalHonesty frankly tell you]] [[spoiler:there there is no Happy Ending for Saber in this route.]] [[spoiler:[[ShootTheDog route. [[ShootTheDog You ''have'' to kill her. ]]]]her.]]



* What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you.'' Within it, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shirou reflects on the fact that he's just committed an unforgivable act]] [[MoralEventHorizon that cannot be justified in any capacity]], how he feels so bad about [[spoiler:killing Saber]] that he has to erase every trace of [[spoiler:her]] memory from his mind just to keep from going mad, how he knows he's sacrificing literally everything he has and he knows it just isn't ''worth'' it... but that if given the choice, he would do it again, because a world without [[spoiler:Sakura]] in it is incomprehensible to him.

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* What's the scene called after making that painful decision? ''I'll forget about you.'' Within it, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shirou reflects on the fact that he's just committed an unforgivable act]] [[MoralEventHorizon that cannot be justified in any capacity]], how he feels so bad about [[spoiler:killing Saber]] killing Saber that he has to erase every trace of [[spoiler:her]] memory from his mind just to keep from going mad, how he knows he's sacrificing literally everything he has and he knows it just isn't ''worth'' it... but that if given the choice, he would do it again, because a world without [[spoiler:Sakura]] Sakura in it is incomprehensible to him.



* Later on, Shirou asks her what she'd like to do "when" she gets better. She says she just wants to go watch the [[CherryBlossoms cherry]] [[MeaningfulName blossoms]] fall. Shirou then [[ThePromise promises her]] they'll go do exactly that. Given that at this point, [[spoiler:Shirou has just decided to MercyKill her]]...
* Ilya's [[WhatTheHellHero response]] to your choice and the knowledge that [[spoiler:you'll have to [[ShootTheDog kill her and Rin]]]] so soon after her SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} in the infamous "Mind of Steel" [[NonStandardGameOver ending]] ought to wring some tears out of [[YouBastard you]].
** It's even worse if you're aware of [[spoiler:Ilya's true parentage]].

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* Later on, Shirou asks her what she'd like to do "when" she gets better. She says she just wants to go watch the [[CherryBlossoms cherry]] [[MeaningfulName blossoms]] fall. Shirou then [[ThePromise promises her]] they'll go do exactly that. Given that at this point, [[spoiler:Shirou Shirou has just decided to MercyKill her]]...
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* Ilya's [[WhatTheHellHero response]] to your choice and the knowledge that [[spoiler:you'll you'll have to [[ShootTheDog kill her and Rin]]]] so soon after her SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} in the infamous "Mind of Steel" [[NonStandardGameOver ending]] ought to wring some tears out of [[YouBastard you]].
** It's even worse if you're aware of [[spoiler:Ilya's Ilya's true parentage]].parentage.



* Bad End #38. Right after the SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome for Shirou that is [[spoiler:defeating Saber Alter single-handedly]] by going past his limits, the consequences of doing so hit and [[spoiler:he's reduced to a vegetable that will never recover and is effectively dead]]. At this point narration switches to Saber, who contemplates his strength and what will come of his sacrifice.
-->'''Saber (thinking):''' [[spoiler:The one whose limits held her back, and the one who went past his limits. The result is the one laying beside her. [...] Tohsaka Rin and Matou Sakura. No matter which one survived, the one who would bless them is no longer in this world.]]
* [[spoiler:[[WhatYouAreInTheDark The night where Shirou decides to attempt to kill Sakura to end the entire mess.]]]] [[spoiler: Not only does he fail at stabbing her, but it turns out that she was awake the whole time and was absolutely horrified, shaking in fear, despite pretending to be calm about it. Shirou ends up crying, thinking about how he could even consider it, and gives Sakura a CooldownHug.]]
* [[spoiler:Kirei's]] past gives a lot of reason as to why [[FreudianExcuse he does the things he does]]- the only woman he ever loved [[spoiler:died just after giving birth to their child, and rather than feeling loss for her death or suffering because she's gone, Kirei only felt one emotion- ''despair over not being able to kill her himself''. While it's debatable whether or not he loved his wife, the fact that Kirei could only feel bloodlust for her demise despite marrying her and caring for her all those years drove him mad with despair. He can't even remember ''her face or voice''. Kirei is well aware that he's a terrible, despicable human being, but just can't stop being one.]]
** [[spoiler:His own]] death, oddly enough. After how much of the route is spent getting to know him better and after he became a character who's easily sympathetic to some degree, there's something oddly poignant about his short, quick, anticlimatic death, ''especially'' thanks to the narration.

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* Bad End #38. Right after the SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome for Shirou that is [[spoiler:defeating defeating Saber Alter single-handedly]] single-handedly by going past his limits, the consequences of doing so hit and [[spoiler:he's he's reduced to a vegetable that will never recover and is effectively dead]].dead. At this point narration switches to Saber, who contemplates his strength and what will come of his sacrifice.
-->'''Saber (thinking):''' [[spoiler:The The one whose limits held her back, and the one who went past his limits. The result is the one laying beside her. [...] Tohsaka Rin and Matou Sakura. No matter which one survived, the one who would bless them is no longer in this world.]]
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* [[spoiler:[[WhatYouAreInTheDark [[WhatYouAreInTheDark The night where Shirou decides to attempt to kill Sakura to end the entire mess.]]]] [[spoiler: ]] Not only does he fail at stabbing her, but it turns out that she was awake the whole time and was absolutely horrified, shaking in fear, despite pretending to be calm about it. Shirou ends up crying, thinking about how he could even consider it, and gives Sakura a CooldownHug.]]
* [[spoiler:Kirei's]] Kirei's past gives a lot of reason as to why [[FreudianExcuse he does the things he does]]- the only woman he ever loved [[spoiler:died died just after giving birth to their child, and rather than feeling loss for her death or suffering because she's gone, Kirei only felt one emotion- ''despair over not being able to kill her himself''. While it's debatable whether or not he loved his wife, the fact that Kirei could only feel bloodlust for her demise despite marrying her and caring for her all those years drove him mad with despair. He can't even remember ''her face or voice''. Kirei is well aware that he's a terrible, despicable human being, but just can't stop being one.]]
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** [[spoiler:His own]] His own death, oddly enough. After how much of the route is spent getting to know him better and after he became a character who's easily sympathetic to some degree, there's something oddly poignant about his short, quick, anticlimatic death, ''especially'' thanks to the narration.



-->''[[spoiler:The priest]] disappears from this world, with no one to bury him.''
* When Shirou is fighting [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the cave, and [[spoiler:using Archer's arm causes him to lose the memory that most shaped his path in life prior to the war: the night of Kiritsugu's death and his promise to become a superhero.]]
* The Normal Ending: Cherry Blossoms' Dream. [[spoiler: Shirou destroys the Grail with Excalibur, but dies in the process. Refusing to accept his death, Sakura continues to live in the Emiya household, forever waiting for him until eventually dying of old age. She passes away in front of Rin's granddaughter and reunites with Shirou in the afterlife.]] '''Needlessly and maliciously cruel.'''

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* The Normal Ending: Cherry Blossoms' Dream. [[spoiler: Shirou destroys the Grail with Excalibur, but dies in the process. Refusing to accept his death, Sakura continues to live in the Emiya household, forever waiting for him until eventually dying of old age. She passes away in front of Rin's granddaughter and reunites with Shirou in the afterlife.]] '''Needlessly and maliciously cruel.'''



-->[[spoiler:'''Ilya:''' You said an older brother protects his younger sister, right?… [[MeaningfulEcho Yeah. I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my younger brother]].]]

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-->[[spoiler:'''Ilya:''' -->'''Ilya:''' You said an older brother protects his younger sister, right?… [[MeaningfulEcho Yeah. I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my younger brother]].]]
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* Archer's HeroicSacrifice in the anime (and by extension, ''Fate''), staying behind with the intent to defeat Berserker (or at least take out some lives) while his Master, Shirou, and Saber flee. Even as he takes that beating, not once does he think to strike at Ilya (for ''very'' good reason, as it turns out ...), and when he finally fades away upon completely draining his mana ... God. Rin's reaction is already heartbreaking as she vows to not forgive Shirou and Saber if they get killed by Berserker; worse when the credits play and instead of the usual song we get "Hikari" as the ending theme. In the last moments, we get to see Archer's red cape disintegrating into light [[spoiler:to reveal the only thing left of him - the gemstone Rin used to save his life, back when he was still Shirou Emiya and first got caught up in the war ...]]

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* Archer's HeroicSacrifice in the anime (and by extension, ''Fate''), staying behind with the intent to defeat Berserker (or at least take out some lives) while his Master, Shirou, and Saber flee. Even as he takes that beating, not once does he think to strike at Ilya (for ''very'' good reason, as it turns out ...), and when he finally fades away upon completely draining his mana ... God. Rin's reaction is already heartbreaking as she vows to not forgive Shirou and Saber if they get killed by Berserker; worse when the credits play and instead of the usual song we get "Hikari" as the ending theme. In the last moments, we get to see Archer's red cape disintegrating into light [[spoiler:to to reveal the only thing left of him - the gemstone Rin used to save his life, back when he was still Shirou Emiya and first got caught up in the war ...]]



** The flashback where Saber had to kill [[spoiler:her "son", Mordred.]]

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* Shirou and Saber defeat their respective {{Big Bad}} and yet [[spoiler:by doing the right thing and destroying the Grail, they lose any chance of staying together]]. This is made substantially worse when Saber [[spoiler:tells Shirou she loves him before she leaves his life forever.]] How Shirou manages to smile through it all is simply amazing. IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy indeed...

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* Shirou and Saber defeat their respective {{Big Bad}} BigBad and yet [[spoiler:by by doing the right thing and destroying the Grail, they lose any chance of staying together]]. together. This is made substantially worse when Saber [[spoiler:tells tells Shirou she loves him before she leaves his life forever.]] forever. How Shirou manages to smile through it all is simply amazing. IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy indeed...

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** A constant source of angst for him is Zouken berating him for being unable to use magic. Then the Heaven's Feel manga reveals that his father Byakuya ''was actually okay'' with this and wanted Shinji to have a normal life away from magecraft. In order to do so, he kept Shinji away from the truths of the Matou family, and when he found out anyway, Byakuya cut all ties with his son until his death.

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** A constant source of angst for him is Zouken berating him for being unable to use magic. Then the Heaven's Feel manga adaptation reveals that his father Byakuya ''was ''[[{{Irony}} was actually okay'' okay with this this]]'' and wanted Shinji to have a normal life away from magecraft. In order to do so, he kept Shinji away from the truths of the Matou family, and when he found out anyway, Byakuya cut all ties with his son until his death.



* [[spoiler:Kirei]]'s death, oddly enough. After how much of the route is spent getting to know him better and after he became a character who's easily sympathetic to some degree, there's something oddly poignant about his short, quick, anticlimatic death, ''especially'' thanks to the narration.
-->''Did he smile in his last moments''?
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** [[spoiler:His own]] death, oddly enough. After how much of the route is spent getting to know him better and after he became a character who's easily sympathetic to some degree, there's something oddly poignant about his short, quick, anticlimatic death, ''especially'' thanks to the narration.
-->''Did he smile in his last moments''?
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** A constant source of angst for him is Zouken berating him for being unable to use magic. Then the Heaven's Feel manga reveals that his father Byakuya ''was actually okay'' with this and wanted Shinji to have a normal life.life away from magecraft. In order to do so, he kept Shinji away from the truths of the Matou family, and when he found out anyway, Byakuya cut all ties with his son until his death.
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[[caption-width-right:350:''"I've always watched you, and I wanted you to smile....Yeah. I wanted to believe that you had it better the more I suffered. I was so preoccupied with that, so I didn't even have time to think about if it was painful or not. I'm sorry I'm a selfish sister....And thanks. I'm glad you always wore that ribbon."'']]



* [[spoiler:Shirou]] is (possibly) '''[[HeroicSacrifice killed off]]''' in the finale: the TearJerker ending then sticks to and expands on this, showing the epilogue through [[spoiler:Sakura's]] eyes, as [[spoiler:she]] ages and watches everything change around [[spoiler:her]], remaining alone until the end... '''Needlessly and maliciously cruel.'''
* Oh, and then after that ''the title screen changes to both the music and background of the very last scene of that'', so we can now ALWAYS feel depressed on loading the game.
* And who can forget, in that same route, when [[spoiler:if you get the true ending, the happy one, right before Shirou dies, Ilya rescues him. The entire time he's begging her to let him die so she can live, or at least he's trying to. At the end she goes out with a smile saying she's going to show Shirou a miracle.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Ilya:''' You said an older brother protects his younger sister, right?… [[MeaningfulEcho Yeah. I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my younger brother]].]]



* It's revealed that Shinji wasn't always the arrogant asshole we know and hate. He actually [[UsedToBeASweetKid used to be a decent kid once]] and got along with Sakura well. After discovering the Matou were a clan of magi he began putting all of his heart and effort into becoming one himself... only to later find that he was a MuggleBornOfMages and that if anyone in his family was going to end up fulfilling his lifelong dream, it was going to be Sakura whether she liked it or not. And so, he started abusing Sakura out of spite for "ruining his dreams".
** A constant source of angst for him is Zouken berating him for being unable to use magic. Then the Heaven's Feel manga reveals that his father Byakuya ''was actually okay'' with this and wanted Shinji to have a normal life. In order to do so, he kept Shinji away from the truths of the Matou family, and when he found out anyway, Byakuya cut all ties with his son until his death.



* Heaven's Feel route has one when Shirou is fighting [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the cave, and [[spoiler:using Archer's arm causes him to lose the memory that most shaped his path in life prior to the war: the night of Kiritsugu's death and his promise to become a superhero.]]

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* Heaven's Feel route has one when When Shirou is fighting [[spoiler:Saber Alter]] in the cave, and [[spoiler:using Archer's arm causes him to lose the memory that most shaped his path in life prior to the war: the night of Kiritsugu's death and his promise to become a superhero.]]
* The Normal Ending: Cherry Blossoms' Dream. [[spoiler: Shirou destroys the Grail with Excalibur, but dies in the process. Refusing to accept his death, Sakura continues to live in the Emiya household, forever waiting for him until eventually dying of old age. She passes away in front of Rin's granddaughter and reunites with Shirou in the afterlife.]] '''Needlessly and maliciously cruel.'''
-->''"I close my eyes and open them. The hill is covered with cherry blossoms. [[TogetherInDeath The boy, appearing just like he was before, is waving his hand on the familiar hill road...]]"''
** Oh, and then after that ''the title screen changes to both the music and background of the very last scene of that'', so we can now ALWAYS feel depressed on loading the game.
* The True Ending has one last kicker, despite being happier than the Normal Ending. [[spoiler: Right before Shirou dies, Ilya rescues him. The entire time he's begging her to let him die so she can live, or at least he's trying to. At the end she goes out with a smile saying she's going to show Shirou a miracle.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Ilya:''' You said an older brother protects his younger sister, right?… [[MeaningfulEcho Yeah. I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my younger brother]].]]

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** The real tearjerker is the scenes we are rewarded with afterwards. Shirou desperately tries to be the big damned hero, running towards Ilyasviel and the flashback of Ilyasviel's past 'training' with Berkserker, which is spartan training at it's finest. You finally gain some affinity with the emotion driven huggable giant.
*** Another TearJerker moment from that fight, when you think about it: The chain that binds Berserker? Enkidu. Gilgamesh's best friend in life, and we are left wondering if he named the chain in his honour as he was his MoralityChain, or because he felt Enkidu was holding him back.



** The real tearjerker is the scenes we are rewarded with afterwards. Shirou desperately tries to be the big damned hero, running towards Ilyasviel and the flashback of Ilyasviel's past 'training' with Berkserker, which is spartan training at it's finest. You finally gain some affinity with the emotion driven huggable giant.
*** Another TearJerker moment from that fight, when you think about it: The chain that binds Berserker? Enkidu. Gilgamesh's best friend in life, and we are left wondering if he named the chain in his honour as he was his MoralityChain, or because he felt Enkidu was holding him back.

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* Maybe it's just because of the music, but the dream-flashbacks Shirou is having about Saber's past in the Fate route, about how she was all alone and had to kill her emotions to move on, are devastating...



* Maybe it's just because of the music, but the dream-flashbacks Shirou is having about Saber's past in the Fate route, about how she was all alone and had to kill her emotions to move on, are devastating...

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* Something that needs to be said is just how much Archer hates Shirou. [[spoiler:When in the Einsbern Mansion, Saber points out that EMIYA's plan is impossible because EMIYA himself is already outside the boundaries of space-time and causality, his plan is doomed to failed. EMIYA states he's just that desperate and even if he does fail at least something like a hero of justice won't exist in this timeline. EMIYA hates himself so much that he honestly believes that if he doesn't exist, the world is automatically better. Just damn ...]]

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