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** And the sad thing is, he ''does'' care. He attempted to make conversation at dinner, only to be shut down with "you can't expect to be my best friend just because you had a bad day". But he bluntly says to Carolyn that Jane hates him, meaning he's grown so fatigued of trying to reach out to her thinking she hates him, while she has such low self-esteem that she can't imagine anyone loving her.
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** Angela also bursts into tears when Lester pulls away, saying "I feel so stupid". While it's definitely the right call on his part, this is after she's just been called ugly and boring by Ricky, so now even the pervy older man who was lusting after her has rejected her. That's got to sting in the moment.
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* Ricky tells Angela that she's ugly, boring and ordinary, and she runs out of the room and is found crying by Lester
* The makeout scene between Lester and Angela is already framed very eerily but it takes a hard left turn with the WHAMLine "this is my first time". Lester then realises what exactly he'd been about to do, and Angela looks especially vulnerable. It's hammered home that this apparent FilleFatale is ultimately just a child trying to imitate a grown-up.
* The last we see of Carolyn, she's breaking down in Lester's closet, surrounded by his clothes. Despite their issues, it's clear they were once in love, and she can't believe he's dead now.
* Jane may have hated her father, but she says a scared "oh my God" when she finds his body.
* The makeout scene between Lester and Angela is already framed very eerily but it takes a hard left turn with the WHAMLine "this is my first time". Lester then realises what exactly he'd been about to do, and Angela looks especially vulnerable. It's hammered home that this apparent FilleFatale is ultimately just a child trying to imitate a grown-up.
* The last we see of Carolyn, she's breaking down in Lester's closet, surrounded by his clothes. Despite their issues, it's clear they were once in love, and she can't believe he's dead now.
* Jane may have hated her father, but she says a scared "oh my God" when she finds his body.
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** Huh? Frank doesn't abandon her. He comes right back home after killing Lester. Ricky even tells her to take care of Frank after Ricky's gone. Clearly the implication is that Frank is sticking around.
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* The funny scene where the vain and image-conscious Carolyn gives herself a pep talk (''"I will sell this house [[PunctuatedForEmphasis to-day]]!"'') while preparing for an open house becomes a lot less funny at the end of the day, when she cries alone, berates herself, and slaps her own face. Her self-esteem is bound to her professional success or lack thereof, and this modest failure crushes her into becoming her own abuser.
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** Huh? Frank doesn't abandon her. He comes right back home after killing Lester. Ricky even tells her to take care of Frank after Ricky's gone. Clearly the implication is that Frank is sticking around.
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* Lester's death was obviously coming, but the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGiI-MuTWf0&feature=related final monologue]] makes it this. What's especially sad about it that he died [[RedemptionEqualsDeath just after he overcame his lust and became a better person]].
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* Jane admitting that she wishes Lester cared about her as much as Angela. Seriously, think Think about the implications of that statement.
* Lester's deathwas is obviously coming, but the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGiI-MuTWf0&feature=related final monologue]] makes it this. What's especially sad about it is that he died dies [[RedemptionEqualsDeath just after he overcame his lust and became a better person]].
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* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, [[PartingWordsRegret Lester's last words to Jane are]], "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his expression after she leaves implies he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.
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* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, [[PartingWordsRegret Lester's last words to Jane are]], "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his His expression after she leaves implies he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.
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* Lester's death was obviously coming, but the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGiI-MuTWf0&feature=related final monologue]] makes it this. What's especially sad about it that he died [[RedemptionEqualsDeath]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath just after he overcame his lust and became a better person]].
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* Lester's death was obviously coming, but the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGiI-MuTWf0&feature=related final monologue]] makes it this. What's especially sad about it that he died [[TooSoon [[RedemptionEqualsDeath]] just after he overcame his lust and became a better person]].
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* Lester's death was obviously coming, but the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGiI-MuTWf0&feature=related final monologue monologue]] makes it this. What's especially sad about it that he died [[TooSoon just after he overcame his lust and became a better person.]]person]].
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* Jane admitting that she wishes Lester cared about her as much as Angela. Seriously, think about the implications of that statement.
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* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, [[PartingWordsRegret Lester's last words to Jane are, are]], "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his expression after she leaves implies he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.
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* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, Lester's last words to Jane are, "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his expression after she leaves implies he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.
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* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, Lester's last words to Jane are, "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his expression after she leaves seems to imply implies he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.
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* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, Lester's last words to Jane are, "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his expression after she leaves seems to imply he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.apologise.
* The flashbacks to when the Burnham's were a lot happier.
* The flashbacks to when the Burnham's were a lot happier.
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* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, Lester's last words to Jane are, "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his expression after she leaves seems to imply he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.
* It's pretty sad that, despite how close they used to be, Lester's last words to Jane are, "You'd better be careful Jane, or you'll end up a real bitch, just like your mother!" his expression after she leaves seems to imply he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels bad about what he said]], but he never gets to apologise.
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* Jane [[NotSoStoic admitting that she wishes Lester cared about her as much as Angela.Angela]].
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* Lester ''almost'' managing to get through to Carolyn by reminding her of their younger, happier days together, only for her to be distracted by trivial materialism and start fighting him again.
--> '''Lester Burnham:''' I'm only trying to help you!
* Lester ''almost'' managing to get through to Carolyn by reminding her of their younger, happier days together, only for her to be distracted by trivial materialism and start fighting him again.
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