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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Sinclair formally exits the narrative for good and fulfills his destiny. But in doing so, it reveals that Valen's prophecies are actually foreknowledge of events to come that Sinclair brought with him from the Future. Sinclair's foreknowledge also only goes up to the point where he departed the Present Day (i.e. this two-parter). From hereon out, our heroes no longer have access to that prophetic safety net and have no idea what else awaits them in the struggle ahead.
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* SeriesContinuityError: When Zathras was introduced back in "Babylon Squared", Major Krantz stated that he had appeared in the conference room in a flash (which fitted in with the general temporal weirdness that was going on). Here, of course, he just sneaks on board the station with the others, and is captured in a work area while trying to repair Sheridan's time stabilizer. (Notably, the "flash" line doesn't make it into this episode.)
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As he paces in his cell, he suddenly starts getting pulled into the timestream again, where Zathras sees him. As he settles back in the future, the Delenn of that time is thrown in. She comes over and hugs him, telling him she didn’t tell them anything, that she isn’t afraid, their son is safe, and that she loves him before kissing him. Clearly quite a bit has happened in seventeen years.

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As he paces in his cell, he suddenly starts getting pulled into the timestream again, where Zathras sees him. As he settles back in the future, the Delenn of that time is thrown in. She comes over and hugs him, telling him she didn’t tell them anything, that she isn’t afraid, their son is safe, and that she loves him before kissing him. [[MarriedInTheFuture Clearly quite a bit has happened in seventeen years.years]].
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** WordOfGod is that the Triluminary wasn't the same one given to Delenn; the one Sinclair used was in the items that Zathras brought up from Epsilon III. Furthermore, it's been mentioned before (in a throwaway line in ''Babylon Squared'') that there are ''three'' Triluminaries, not just the one we've seen--presumably, all three were brought by Valen. So, while certain parts of the loop fit the no-origin paradox (Sinclair writing to his younger self in the future being a major one), the Triluminary isn't one of them.

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** WordOfGod is that the Triluminary wasn't the same one given to Delenn; the one Sinclair used was in the items that Zathras brought up from Epsilon III. Furthermore, it's been mentioned before (in a throwaway line in ''Babylon Squared'') that there are ''three'' Triluminaries, not just the one we've seen--presumably, all three were brought by Valen. So, while certain parts of the loop fit the no-origin paradox (Sinclair writing to his younger self in the future being a major one), the Triluminary isn't one of them. Although possibly the invention of the Triluminary does, if the design only comes from this time loop.
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* EvilOldFolks: Ultimately [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] with future Londo. [[spoiler: He was faking it to convince the parasite controlling him and sets things up to allow Sheridan and Delenn to escape anyway.]]

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* RestrictedRescueOperation: Sinclair is unable to do anything to stop the Earth-Minbari war from happening as it could disrupt the StableTimeLoop and give the Shadows an advantage.

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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: The heroes can now no longer rely on Valen's prophecies, as Sinclair wasn't around to see what happened after this.
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane:

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** On the other hand, [[Recap/BabylonFiveS03E09PointOfNoReturn Lady Morella's prophecies]] turn out to be the genuine article, and Londo really did have precognitive abilities and was seeing his own death all these years. It's just the context wasn't quite what we (or the characters) thought.

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** On the other hand, [[Recap/BabylonFiveS03E09PointOfNoReturn Lady Morella's prophecies]] turn out to be the genuine article, and article. Also, Londo really did have precognitive abilities and was seeing has been having visions of his own death all these years. It's just the context wasn't quite what we (or the characters) thought.
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** On the other hand Londo really did have precognitive abilities and was seeing his own death all these years. It's just the context wasn't quite what we (or the characters) thought.

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** On the other hand hand, [[Recap/BabylonFiveS03E09PointOfNoReturn Lady Morella's prophecies]] turn out to be the genuine article, and Londo really did have precognitive abilities and was seeing his own death all these years. It's just the context wasn't quite what we (or the characters) thought.
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--> '''Marcus:''' [[OnSecondThought Then again....]]

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--> '''Marcus:''' [[OnSecondThought Then again....On the other hand....]]

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** A Sinclair travels back in time, he remembers things the [[Recap/BabylonFiveS01E02SoulHunter Soul Hunter]] told him ("They're using you!"), and his conversation with [[Recap/BabylonFiveS01E17Legacies Neroon]] ("You talk like a Minbari, Commander.").

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** A As Sinclair travels back in time, he remembers things the [[Recap/BabylonFiveS01E02SoulHunter Soul Hunter]] told him ("They're using you!"), and his conversation with [[Recap/BabylonFiveS01E17Legacies Neroon]] ("You talk like a Minbari, Commander.").").
** Delenn recounts her going into [[{{Recap/BabylonFiveS01E22Chrysalis}} the chrysalis]] when outlining how the triluminary works. Delenn also mentions [[{{Recap/BabylonFiveS02E01PointsOfDeparture}} Lennier's talk with Sheridan and Ivanova about Minbari souls being reborn as humans]].


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* ContinuityNod
** Ivanova recounts how the historical figure Valen was a "Minbari not born of Minbari", just as Lennier told [[{{Recap/BabylonFiveS03E04PassingThroughGethsemane}} Brother Edward]].
** Zathras notes how the Minbari are obsessed with three--[[{{Recap/BabylonFiveS02E15AndNowForAWord}} three castes, three languages]] (with the Grey Council's 9 members being 3 x 3).


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* LonelyAtTheTop: Emperor Mollari.
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-->'''Marcus''': Dear God. A Minbari not born of Minbari....

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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: ** This episode reveals Valen's "prophecies" were actually not paranormal but the result of (pretty awesome) technology and a time loop.

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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: MaybeMagicMaybeMundane:
** This episode reveals Valen's "prophecies" were actually not paranormal but the result of (pretty awesome) technology and a time loop.
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: ** This episode reveals Valen's "prophecies" were actually not paranormal but the result of (pretty awesome) technology and a time loop.
** On the other hand Londo really did have precognitive abilities and was seeing his own death all these years. It's just the context wasn't quite what we (or the characters) thought.


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* OnceMoreWithClarity: We've heard about Londo's vision of his death at G'Kar's hand since the start of season one and even seen snapshots of it in an earlier episode. Here we finally see the event itself happen. Its a little more complicated than we thought.
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* RestrictedRescueOperation: Sinclair is unable to do anything to stop the Earth-Minbari war from happening as it could disrupt the StableTimeLoop and give the Shadows an advantage.

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* LuckBasedSearchTechnique: Marcus happens to knock off the access panel Ivanova is looking for with his fighting pike. [[{{Irony}} This after he'd said he didn't believe in luck]].
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* ShaggySearchTechnique: Marcus happens to knock off the access panel Ivanova is looking for with his fighting pike. [[{{Irony}} This after he'd said he didn't believe in luck]].
--> '''Marcus:''' [[OnSecondThought Then again....]]
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* AllTherInTheManual: The events at the future Centauri Prime are expanded upon in the canonical ''The Legions of Fire'' trilogy.

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* AllTherInTheManual: AllThereInTheManual: The events at the future Centauri Prime are expanded upon in the canonical ''The Legions of Fire'' trilogy.
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*AllTherInTheManual: The events at the future Centauri Prime are expanded upon in the canonical ''The Legions of Fire'' trilogy.
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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: The heroes can now no longer rely on Valen's prophecies, as Sinclair wasn't around to see what happened after this.
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* OnSecondThought: Marcus' after being InstantlyProvenWrong after declaring he doesn't believe in luck.

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* OnSecondThought: Marcus' after Marcus upon being InstantlyProvenWrong after declaring he doesn't believe in luck.

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In the future, Sheridan interrupts Delenn and tells him what he remembered last. She remembers him telling her about this years ago, and gives him dire warnings about some of the things they go through before the Centauri come for them. They are marched back to the throne room to find Londo nearly passed out. He is just coherent enough to tell them that he’s being controlled by a creature attached to his neck, but he can put it to sleep with enough drink for a while. They have until it wakes up to escape with a ship he’s made available for them.
As they leave G’Kar comes in and Londo says his keeper will awaken soon and warn of the escape.

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In the future, Sheridan interrupts Delenn and tells him what he remembered last. She remembers him telling her about this years ago, and gives him dire warnings about some of the things they go through before the Centauri come for them. They are marched back to the throne room to find Londo nearly passed out. He is just coherent enough to tell them that he’s being controlled by a creature attached to his neck, but he can put it to sleep with enough drink for a while. They have until it wakes up to escape with a ship he’s made available for them.
them. As they leave G’Kar comes in and Londo says his keeper will awaken soon and warn "the others" of the escape.



He asks for a status update, and they tell him they can proceed. He and Sinclair head to attach the beacon to the power core. Zathras warns that it is very delicate, but Major Kranz, fearing a hostile presence, pumps up the power levels, accidentally activating the beacon, and moving them through time, four years ahead, [[StableTimeLoop exactly when B4 showed up last time]]. Ivanova tries to get a hold of Sheridan but Sinclair says he’s gone again, and there’s another problem.

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He -->'''Zathras''': Nobody listens. Quite mad, they say. It is good that Zathras does not mind; he has even come to like it.

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asks for a status update, and they tell him they can proceed. He and Sinclair head to attach the beacon to the power core. Zathras warns that it is very delicate, but Major Kranz, fearing a hostile presence, pumps up the power levels, accidentally activating the beacon, and moving them through time, four years ahead, [[StableTimeLoop exactly when B4 showed up last time]]. Ivanova tries to get a hold of Sheridan but Sinclair says he’s gone again, and there’s another problem.
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* CrazyEnoughtToWork: So we're going to use TimeTravel to steal a space station, then take it 1,000 years back in time to fight a war that will save the present day from being overwhelmed? Stop explaining, let's just do it.

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* CrazyEnoughtToWork: CrazyEnoughToWork: So we're going to use TimeTravel to steal a space station, then take it 1,000 years back in time to fight a war that will save the present day from being overwhelmed? Stop explaining, let's just do it.

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* TheChosenOne: Three of them, as per the page quote; The One Who Was (Sinclair), The One Who Is (Delenn), and The One Who Will Be (Sheridan).

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* TheChosenOne: Three of them, as per the page quote; them: The One Who Was (Sinclair), The One Who Is (Delenn), and The One Who Will Be (Sheridan).(Sheridan).
* CrazyEnoughtToWork: So we're going to use TimeTravel to steal a space station, then take it 1,000 years back in time to fight a war that will save the present day from being overwhelmed? Stop explaining, let's just do it.

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