History Quotes / CharacterDerailment

-->-- '''[[WebVideo/ReView Re:View]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekPicard''

->''"Apparently, Mr. Paragon Hero, Savior of the Whole Dang Galaxy, most noted for his tendency to never give up on family members [[Characters/StarWarsDarthVaderAndServants even if they're super evil]], made a cursory attempt to revive the Jedi Order, and then when his nephew turned evil and killed everybody, he gave up forever and ran off to a distant planet to sulk for the rest of his life. Like, I get that they wanted to give Luke a character arc about rediscovering his hope for the future of the Jedi, but Luke WAS supposed to be the future of the Jedi! He's the dang Film/ReturnOfTheJedi! It genuinely does not make sense to take his character and turn him into a generic jaded, reluctant mentor. I mean, you're telling me Luke Skywalker, who fought relentlessly to redeem his father after he turned to the Dark Side, slaughtered the Jedi, and joined ranks with an evil space wizard, didn't have it in him to give it another shot when his nephew did '''the exact same thing?!'''"''
-->-- '''Red''' on the portrayal of [[Characters/StarWarsLukeSkywalker Luke Skywalker]] in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', ''WebAnimation/OverlySarcasticProductions'', [[https://youtu.be/8pTLhim5c4g?feature=shared "Sequels"]]

->''"He's been butchered by one fucking line."''
-->-- '''WebVideo/{{Mauler}}''', [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K0KaEYX41c Game of Thrones: S08E05: An Unbridled Rage]]

->''"Why is Chloe, who just last week was lamenting how much she was [[HurtingHero expected to give up]] in order to fulfill her duties as Watchtower, so adamant that Clark sacrifice himself for the greater good? If I were Clark I would look for better friends next season."''

->''I’m beginning to worry that in this series Laura may have regressed from being a character who has triumphantly overcome her trauma back to someone who is defined by it, from an embodiment of humanist positivity to a once bitten, twice shy cynic....undoing a lot of personal growth and leaving us with a superhero book that says: “don’t be a hero.”''

->''The major change, of course, is that ComicBook/LoisLane has a child and is engaged to another man, Richard White. But, for the purposes of this movie, all that pales in comparison to the fact that she also wrote an article for an article called "Why The World Doesn’t Need Superman." Which is pretty much just played off as something she wrote because she was mad Superman left without saying goodbye. So that’s ''two'' characters undermined in one scene! Three, if you count ComicBook/JimmyOlsen being a jerk and eating Clark’s Welcome Back cake.''

->''“Pardon me, but do you mind if we assassinate your character just a little bit?”''
-->-- '''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''', ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry''

->''"Rise" is about as useful to Tuvok as the British were to Hitler in the Second World War, a complete spanner in the works of his development and taking him in a direction he has already flirted with and sinking him.''

->''I don’t really think "make your lead character unlikable" was ever going to be a winning strategy -- "make your character unlikable and then put yourself in a situation where the first impression matters more than ever to the success of your show" is an idea that almost weaponizes stupidity.''

->''Why is Chloe, who just last week was lamenting how much she was [[HurtingHero expected to give up]] in order to fulfill her duties as Watchtower, so adamant that Clark sacrifice himself for the greater good? If I were Clark I would look for better friends next season.''
-->-- '''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville9-ep22 Julian Finn]]''' on ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', "[[Recap/SmallvilleS09E22Salvation Salvation]]"

-->-- '''{{Website/SFDebris}}''' on Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, executive producers of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' ("Bounty")

->''"In fact, {{ComicBook/the Joker}} does not smile at any point in this comic. Let me repeat that. ''The Joker'' does not ''smile!''"''

->''"I wasn’t as happy with [[ExecutiveVeto the revisions,]] but it’s not my show, you have to sort of adjust, even if sometimes it does seem a bit of a contradiction in terms for what your character is supposed to be about.''
-->-- '''Creator/JohnBillingsly''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', "[[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS01E13DearDoctor Dear Doctor]]"

->''Plans changed. [[Wrestling/KevinNash Nash]] and [[Wrestling/ScottHall Hall]] beat [[Wrestling/ReyMysterioJr Rey Mysterio]] and Wrestling/{{Konnan}} to win Rey's mask. Rey, unmasked, looked about fourteen years old, but apparently [[Wrestling/EricBischoff Bischoff]] felt he was more marketable that way than as a superhero-like luchador whose mask would sell en masse at the merchandise stand.''
-->--'''R. D. Reynolds''' and '''Bryan Alvarez''', ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW''

-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDi91DpnFYk Bill Mumy]]''' on his role in ''Series/BabylonFive''

-->-- '''John Billingsly''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', "[[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS01E13DearDoctor Dear Doctor]]"

->"'Annoying character' goes to [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise T'Pol]], continuing B&B's theme of character assassination of ''their own'' creations. You'd think they were trying to [[TorchTheFranchiseAndRun burn the show down for the insurance money.]]

->"In fact, {{ComicBook/the Joker}} does not smile at any point in this comic. Let me repeat that. ''The Joker'' does not ''smile!''"

->"How does this happen?! It's as if someone just completely rewrote your characteristics for the sake of creating pointless drama, regardless of everything you've ever said or did before this point!"

->"On ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Joey was a womanizer, but we enjoyed his exploits. He was a solid friend, a guy you knew you could count on. Joey was deconstructed to be a guy who couldn't get a job, couldn't ask a girl out. He became a pathetic, mopey character. I felt he was moving in the wrong direction, but I was not heard."

->"We had seen Lennier sacrifice his well-being and almost die to save Peter Jurasik's character, who was the epitome of a Nazi war criminal at the time. So we'd seen that this noble character would sacrifice his life for any lifeform... And, y'know. He chooses to let this fellow Ranger ''and'' [[spoiler:Sheridan]] die. --And then he [[HazyFeelTurn changes his mind like a wimp]] and goes to undo it, and it's too late 'cause [[spoiler:Sheridan]]'s already gotten ''himself'' out of the mess, and then he turns to the Dark Side and goes off and banishes himself like [[{{Wangst}} a whiny wimp]]. I wasn't happy with the end."

->"I wasn’t as happy with [[ExecutiveVeto the revisions,]] but it’s not my show, you have to sort of adjust, even if sometimes it does seem a bit of a contradiction in terms for what your character is supposed to be about.

->''I’m beginning to worry that in this series Laura may have regressed from being a character who has triumphantly overcome her trauma back to someone who is defined by it, from an embodiment of humanist positivity to a once bitten, twice shy cynic....undoing a lot of personal growth and leaving us with a superhero book that says: [[BrokenAesop “don’t be a hero.”]]''

-->-- '''John Billingsly''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', "Dear Doctor"

-->-- '''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville9-ep22 Julian Finn]]''' on ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', "[[Recap/SmallvilleS09E21Salvation Salvation]]"

-->-- '''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/voyager-season-three.html Joe Ford]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Rise"

-->-- '''El Sandifer''' [[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/does-it-offend-you-the-twin-dilemma/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E7TheTwinDilemma}} "The Twin Dilemma"]]

-->-- '''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville9-ep22 Julian Finn]]''' on ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', "Salvation"

->''The major change, of course, is that {{ComicBook/Lois|Lane }} has a child and is engaged to another man, Richard White. But, for the purposes of this movie, all that pales in comparison to the fact that she also wrote an article for an article called "Why The World Doesn’t Need Superman." Which is pretty much just played off as something she wrote because she was mad Superman left without saying goodbye. So that’s ''two'' characters undermined in one scene! Three, if you count ComicBook/JimmyOlsen being a jerk and eating Clark’s Welcome Back cake.''

-->-- '''{{Website/SFDebris}}''' on Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, executive producers of ''Series/StarTrekEneterprise'' ("Bounty")

!!Creators
->On ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Joey was a womanizer, but we enjoyed his exploits. He was a solid friend, a guy you knew you could count on. Joey was deconstructed to be a guy who couldn't get a job, couldn't ask a girl out. He became a pathetic, mopey character. I felt he was moving in the wrong direction, but I was not heard.
-->-- '''Kevin S. Bright''' on the reason behind ''Series/{{Joey}}''[='s=] cancellation.

!!Reviewers
[[AC:On Comic Books]]
->I think this leads into the biggest point of contention between [[ComicBook/DanSlottSpiderMan Slott]] and fans about Peter's characterization. [[ThisLoserIsYou Dan Slott hates Peter Parker.]] He thinks Peter Parker is his own worst enemy and incredibly self-destructive and toxic to the people around him. That...that's not ComicBook/SpiderMan. [...] Peter Parker is a victim of fate the majority of the time. He was relatable because his problems were usually out of his control, and he felt like the world was shitting on him all the time because he made one mistake. It wasn't just a constant stream of selfish actions compounding on each other and damaging his relationships. Slott pretty much writes Peter Parker to piss off and alienate everyone around him, and constantly ends up being a loser because he was incompetent and selfish. He makes Peter Parker a jerk with no regard for others. '''He makes Peter Parker irresponsible.'''
-->-- '''[=GodzillaMendoza=]''', "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dlpb5VBYMo How Nick Spencer Redeemed Spider-Man]]"

->I’m beginning to worry that in this series Laura may have regressed from being a character who has triumphantly overcome her trauma back to someone who is defined by it, from an embodiment of humanist positivity to a once bitten, twice shy cynic. In the first two issues of this arc I was concerned by Laura’s wariness towards the X-Assassin and I’m glad that Gabby’s trust in her new sister appears to be paying off (and incidentally, are those doves? #SYMBOLISM.) One of the major themes of Tom Taylor’s ''ComicBook/AllNewWolverine'' (no… *sniff* I promised I wouldn’t cry) was Laura’s determination to do the right thing regardless of the risks involved. There were plenty of examples of her being not just self-sacrificing but actually putting the claws away and turning the other cheek to save the lives of people who, despite her healing factor, could have killed her (much as Gabby faces down the X-Assassin here.) That is fulfilling the X-Men’s mantra to protect a world that hates and fears them and more generally that’s what heroes do. Laura Kinney as Wolverine did not allow fear to influence her worldview. Her risk averse suspicion of the X-Assassin was in danger of running against all of this and would be the worst kind of retcon, undoing a lot of personal growth and leaving us with a superhero book that says: “don’t be a hero.”

->''"But yeah, ComicBook/TheJoker does not smile during any of this. In fact the Joker does not smile at any point in [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder this comic]]. Let me repeat that. ''The Joker'' does not ''smile!''"''
-->-- '''Linkara''', WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall

[[AC:On Film -- Live-Action]]
->How does this happen?! It's as if someone just completely rewrote your characteristics for the sake of creating pointless drama, regardless of everything you've ever said or did before this point!

!!Creators
->On ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Joey was a womanizer, but we enjoyed his exploits. He was a solid friend, a guy you knew you could count on. Joey was deconstructed to be a guy who couldn't get a job, couldn't ask a girl out. He became a pathetic, mopey character. I felt he was moving in the wrong direction, but I was not heard.
-->-- '''Kevin S. Bright''' on the reason behind ''Series/{{Joey}}''[='s=] cancellation.

!!Reviewers
[[AC:On Comic Books]]
->I think this leads into the biggest point of contention between [[ComicBook/DanSlottSpiderMan Slott]] and fans about Peter's characterization. [[ThisLoserIsYou Dan Slott hates Peter Parker.]] He thinks Peter Parker is his own worst enemy and incredibly self-destructive and toxic to the people around him. That...that's not ComicBook/SpiderMan. [...] Peter Parker is a victim of fate the majority of the time. He was relatable because his problems were usually out of his control, and he felt like the world was shitting on him all the time because he made one mistake. It wasn't just a constant stream of selfish actions compounding on each other and damaging his relationships. Slott pretty much writes Peter Parker to piss off and alienate everyone around him, and constantly ends up being a loser because he was incompetent and selfish. He makes Peter Parker a jerk with no regard for others. '''He makes Peter Parker irresponsible.'''

->I’m beginning to worry that in this series Laura may have regressed from being a character who has triumphantly overcome her trauma back to someone who is defined by it, from an embodiment of humanist positivity to a once bitten, twice shy cynic. In the first two issues of this arc I was concerned by Laura’s wariness towards the X-Assassin and I’m glad that Gabby’s trust in her new sister appears to be paying off (and incidentally, are those doves? #SYMBOLISM.) One of the major themes of Tom Taylor’s ''ComicBook/AllNewWolverine'' (no… *sniff* I promised I wouldn’t cry) was Laura’s determination to do the right thing regardless of the risks involved. There were plenty of examples of her being not just self-sacrificing but actually putting the claws away and turning the other cheek to save the lives of people who, despite her healing factor, could have killed her (much as Gabby faces down the X-Assassin here.) That is fulfilling the X-Men’s mantra to protect a world that hates and fears them and more generally that’s what heroes do. Laura Kinney as Wolverine did not allow fear to influence her worldview. Her risk averse suspicion of the X-Assassin was in danger of running against all of this and would be the worst kind of retcon, undoing a lot of personal growth and leaving us with a superhero book that says: “don’t be a hero.”

->''"But yeah, ComicBook/TheJoker does not smile during any of this. In fact the Joker does not smile at any point in [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder this comic]]. Let me repeat that. ''The Joker'' does not ''smile!''"''
-->-- '''Linkara''', WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall

[[AC:On Film -- Live-Action]]
->How does this happen?! It's as if someone just completely rewrote your characteristics for the sake of creating pointless drama, regardless of everything you've ever said or did before this point!

->We had seen Lennier sacrifice his well-being and almost die to save Peter Jurasik's character, who was the epitome of [[SaveTheVillain a Nazi war criminal]] at the time. So we'd seen that this noble character would sacrifice his life for any lifeform... And, y'know. He chooses to let this fellow Ranger ''and'' Sheridan die. --And then he [[HazyFeelTurn changes his mind like a wimp]] and goes to undo it, and it's too late 'cause Sheridan's already gotten ''himself'' out of the mess, and then he turns to the Dark Side and goes off and banishes himself like [[{{Wangst}} a whiny wimp]]. I wasn't happy with the end.
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDi91DpnFYk Bill Mumy]]''' on his role in ''Series/BabylonFive''

->I wasn’t as happy with [[ExecutiveVeto the revisions]], but it’s not my show, you have to sort of adjust, even if sometimes it does seem a bit of a contradiction in terms for what your character is supposed to be about.
-->-- '''John Billingsly''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', "Dear Doctor"

->See, after six years of a series that was explicitly about refusing to kill, rejecting the very idea because she had [[TheAtoner personal knowledge of what it meant]], Cassandra shows up in ''Robin'' leading the League of Assassins and talking about how [[AssPull it’s time to kill people.]]
-->-- '''[[http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-210-batgirl-cassandra-cain/ Chris Sims]]''', "The Strange Case of [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} Cassandra Cain"]]

->''“Pardon me, but do you mind if we assassinate your character just a little bit?”''
-->-- '''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''', ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry''

->Don’t cheer -- Methos, one of [[EnsembleDarkhorse the most likable and charismatic]] characters in the series, is a complete asshole throughout this movie. In fact, there’s another guy who wanted this film to be something good: Peter Wingfield actually ''cried'' when given the chance to reprise his role as Methos. Or maybe he cried when [[SuckinessIsPainful he read the script]] -- I know I would have.
-->--'''''[[http://www.screamsheet.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/highlander-the-source-part-one/ The Screamsheet]]''''' on ''Film/HighlanderTheSource''

->The major change, of course, is that [[ComicBook/LoisLane Lois]] has a child and is engaged to another man, Richard White. But, for the purposes of this movie, all that pales in comparison to the fact that she also wrote an article for an article called 'Why The World Doesn’t Need Superman.' Which is pretty much just played off as something she wrote because she was mad Superman left without saying goodbye. So that’s ''two'' characters undermined in one scene! Three, if you count ComicBook/JimmyOlsen being a jerk and eating Clark’s Welcome Back cake.
-->-- '''[=ComicsAlliance=]''' [[http://comicsalliance.com/comicsalliance-reviews-superman-returns-2006-part-one/ on]] ''Film/SupermanReturns''

[[AC:On Live-Action TV]]
->I don’t really think '[[TookALevelInJerkass make your lead character unlikable]]' was ever going to be a winning strategy -- 'make your character unlikable and then put yourself in a situation where [[EstablishingCharacterMoment the first impression matters more than ever]] to the success of your show' is an idea that almost [[EpicFail weaponizes stupidity.]]
-->-- '''El Sandifer''' [[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/does-it-offend-you-the-twin-dilemma/ on]] [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E7TheTwinDilemma}} "The Twin Dilemma"]]

->"Rise" is about as useful to Tuvok as the British were to Hitler in the Second World War, a complete spanner in the works of his development and taking him in a direction he has already flirted with and sinking him.
-->-- '''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/voyager-season-three.html Joe Ford]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Rise"

->Bakula describes Archer's behavior as "a little over the line" in this episode. Yes, that's a fair assessment. Also, [[{{Understatement}} 9/11 was]] [[CrossesTheLineTwice a little bit of a bummer]]... I'm so very tired.
-->-- '''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', "A Night in Sickbay"

->'Annoying character' goes to [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise T'Pol]], continuing B&B's theme of character assassination of ''their own'' creations. You'd think they were trying to [[TorchTheFranchiseAndRun burn the show down for the insurance money.]]
-->-- '''{{Website/SFDebris}}''' on Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, "Bounty"

->Why is Chloe, who just last week was lamenting how much she was [[HurtingHero expected to give up]] in order to fulfill her duties as Watchtower, so adamant that Clark sacrifice himself for the greater good? If I were Clark I would look for better friends next season.
-->-- '''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville9-ep22 Julian Finn]]''' on ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', "Salvation"

[[AC:On Western Animation]]
->Patty and Selma hate Homer, and who could blame them? (Would you want your baby sister married to him?) But they’ve always been fond, even proud, of Lisa. Here they’re basically saying to Marge: you married a fat loser [[LoserSonOfLoserDad and so will your precious daughter,]] ha ha. They want Lisa to marry someone like Homer just to teach Marge a lesson or something, and it’s utterly contrary to everything we know about them.
-->-- '''''Dead Homer Society''''' [[http://deadhomersociety.com/tag/luca/ on]] ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', "Luca$"