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* '''Played for Horror''': MookHorrorShow
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*** [[MoralMyopia Justify]] killing them by saying [[AssholeVictim they were assholes who deserved it]].
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** Evulz is Alice's brother or [[EvilFormerFriend former friend]], she can't bring himself to kill him.
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** Killing the {{mooks}} is actually part of Alice’s [[RevengeByProxy revenge plan]].

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice did take efforts to avoid bloodshed, using stealth and non lethal weapons on various guards. Nonetheless she killed a number of them, with only vague regrets on how the violence reflected poorly on her. Once she confronts Evulz, she makes numerous offers to him to surrender peacefully, only to have Evulz [[DrivenToSuicide choose death over the shame of defeat]]. Alice spends multiple episodes angsting over the death of Evulz, despite being aware the world is a better place without him.

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Alice did take efforts to avoid bloodshed, using stealth and non lethal weapons on various guards. Nonetheless she killed a number of them, with only vague regrets on how the violence reflected poorly on her. Once she confronts Evulz, she makes numerous offers to him to surrender peacefully, only to have Evulz [[DrivenToSuicide choose death over the shame of defeat]]. Alice spends multiple episodes angsting over the death of Evulz, despite being aware the world is a better place without him.him.
** While Alice may be willing to kill both the {{mooks}} and Emperor Evulz himself, she both uses [[CombatPragmatist dirty tatics]] and inflicts {{cruel and unusual death}}s on the guards, while she [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fights Evulz fairly]] and kills him with a simple [[BoomHeadshot bullet to the head]].
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** The mooks [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap don't stay dead. Killing them is more morally equivalent to injuring them. Evulz and Alice lack that benefit so killing either one once is more morally significant. (Gratuitous cruelty like [[AndIMustScream repeatedly killing them is another matter morally.]])

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** The mooks [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap don't stay dead. Killing them is more morally equivalent to injuring them. Evulz and Alice lack that benefit so killing either one once is more morally significant. (Gratuitous cruelty like like]] [[AndIMustScream repeatedly killing them is another matter morally.]])
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** [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out of his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro]] [[FaceHeelTurn evil.]]

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** [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out of his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] hopes]] [[TheCorrupter he can turn Hiro]] [[FaceHeelTurn evil.]]
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** [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro]] [[FaceHeelTurn evil.]]

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** [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out of his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro]] [[FaceHeelTurn evil.]]
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** The mooks are heinous {{CompleteMonster}}s who constantly KickTheDog while on screen. Bad Bob is an InternalReformist and a TechnicalPacifist. Despite this Alice and other "good guys" react like she killing the mooks was morally objectionable and allowing Bob to live when he [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere abandons the evil cause he was born into]] is a heinous act on her part.

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** The mooks are heinous {{CompleteMonster}}s [[{{CompleteMonster}} Complete Monsters]] who constantly KickTheDog while on screen. Bad Bob is an InternalReformist and a TechnicalPacifist. Despite this Alice and other "good guys" react like she killing the mooks was morally objectionable and allowing Bob to live when he [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere abandons the evil cause he was born into]] is a heinous act on her part.
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** [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro evil.]]

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** [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro Hiro]] [[FaceHeelTurn evil.]]
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** What measure is a {{red shirt}}? [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro evil.]]

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** What measure is a {{red shirt}}? [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro evil.]]

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* '''Inverted''': Alice goes through [[PacifistRun incredible lengths]] to ensure that none of the guards are fatally injured, but [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown cuts loose]] as soon as she starts to fight Evulz.

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Alice goes through [[PacifistRun incredible lengths]] to ensure that none of the guards are fatally injured, but [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown cuts loose]] as soon as she starts to fight Evulz.


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** What measure is a {{red shirt}}? [[VillainProtagonist Emperor Evulz]] goes out his way killing [[RedShirt red shirts]] left and right. But when he finally approaches [[HeroAntagonist General Hiro]], Evulz [[WeCanRuleTogether gives out a lengthy speech]] and [[PragmaticVillainy spares him out of pure hopes he can]] [[TheCorrupter turn Hiro evil.]]
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** The mooks that started the current mess [[RogueSoldier had acted without authorization]], [[NotMeThisTime meaning that Evulz was an innocent party.]]
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** Evulz claims that he's nothing less than his own mooks, and that there's no point in keeping him alive.
--> Evuls: You killed all of my men. What else would I be if not another life taken by your hands, Alice?

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** The mooks are heinous {{CompleteMonster}}s who constantly KickTheDog while on screen. Bad Bob is TheInternalReformist and a TechnicalPacifist. Despite this Alice and other "good guys" react like she killing the mooks was morally objectionable and allowing Bob to live when he [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere abandons the evil cause he was born into]] is a heinous act on her part.
* '''Subverted''': Alice contemplates sparing Evulz, but instead decides to treat him the same way as his minions.

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** The mooks are heinous {{CompleteMonster}}s who constantly KickTheDog while on screen. Bad Bob is TheInternalReformist an InternalReformist and a TechnicalPacifist. Despite this Alice and other "good guys" react like she killing the mooks was morally objectionable and allowing Bob to live when he [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere abandons the evil cause he was born into]] is a heinous act on her part.
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Alice contemplates sparing Evulz, but instead decides to treat him the same way as his minions.minions.
** The mooks [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap don't stay dead. Killing them is more morally equivalent to injuring them. Evulz and Alice lack that benefit so killing either one once is more morally significant. (Gratuitous cruelty like [[AndIMustScream repeatedly killing them is another matter morally.]])
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** The mooks are heinous {{CompleteMonster}}s who constantly KickTheDog while on screen. Bad Bob is TheInternalReformist and a TechnicalPacifist. Despite this Alice and other "good guys" react like she killing the mooks was morally objectionable and allowing Bob to live when he [[ScrewThisIAmOutOfHere abandons the evil cause he was born into]] is a heinous act on her part.

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** The mooks are heinous {{CompleteMonster}}s who constantly KickTheDog while on screen. Bad Bob is TheInternalReformist and a TechnicalPacifist. Despite this Alice and other "good guys" react like she killing the mooks was morally objectionable and allowing Bob to live when he [[ScrewThisIAmOutOfHere [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere abandons the evil cause he was born into]] is a heinous act on her part.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Alice's lack of mercy towards the guards is [[StartOfDarkness a sign that]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters she's starting to become]] [[NotSoDifferent more like Evulz]].

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* '''Deconstructed''': Alice's lack of mercy towards the guards is [[StartOfDarkness a sign that]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters she's starting to become]] [[NotSoDifferent become more like Evulz]].
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** The mooks are heinous {{CompleteMonster}}s who constantly KickTheDog while on screen. Bad Bob is TheInternalReformist and a TechnicalPacifist. Despite this Alice and other "good guys" react like she killing the mooks was morally objectionable and allowing Bob to live when he [[ScrewThisIAmOutOfHere abandons the evil cause he was born into]] is a heinous act on her part.

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* '''Parodied''': Alice proudly proclaims to Evulz that she would never kill anyone... while surrounding by the dying mooks she just cut through.
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** Alice's treatment varies per villain. For Awful Adam she refuses to harm his mooks even when they are hurting her. The reason she does so is because they are mind controlled innocents. However shows him no mercy when she finally reaches him. Baneful Bob and his [[SociopathicSoldier soldiers]] she slays with no second thoughts. Crazy Charlie's puppets get plowed through but is shown mercy. With Dark Dan, she cuts through his mooks and was going to spare him until he admitted how much he enjoyed killing her little sister.

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* '''Parodied''': Alice proudly proclaims to Evulz that she would never kill anyone... while surrounding surrounded by the dying mooks she just cut through.
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** Alice's treatment varies per villain. For Awful Adam Adam, she refuses to harm his mooks even when they are hurting her. The reason she does so is because that they are mind controlled mind-controlled innocents. However However, she shows him no mercy when she finally reaches him. Baneful Bob and his [[SociopathicSoldier soldiers]] she slays with no second thoughts. Crazy Charlie's puppets get plowed through through, but he is shown mercy. With Dark Dan, she cuts through his mooks and was going to spare him until he admitted how much he enjoyed killing her little sister.



** Alice has a dossier on all of Evulz's mooks, telling her which ones are [[PunchClockVillain just doing there jobs]] and which ones [[SociopathicSoldier enjoy them too much]]. She is still forced to kill a number of them she does not hate, and a few of the cruel ones surrender, forcing Alice to spare them, but plans to later put them before a war crimes panel.

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** Alice has a dossier on all of Evulz's mooks, telling her which ones are [[PunchClockVillain just doing there their jobs]] and which ones [[SociopathicSoldier enjoy them too much]]. She is still forced to kill a number of them she does not hate, and a few of the cruel ones surrender, forcing Alice to spare them, but plans to later put them before a war crimes panel.



** Emperor Evulz [[BreakThemByTalking breaks]] [[TheCape Alice]] [[HannibalLecture by pointing out that she's pretty much responsible for a mass murder]]. Alice may be convinced and corrupted, or [[ShutUpHannibal retort]] with one of the Justifications listed above.
* '''Conversed''': Bob and Dan watch a supehero movie featuring Super Alice mowing down mooks, and comment that that kind of behavior would be terrible in real life.
* '''Played For Laugh''': None of this is real — we're seeing Alice and Bob's gameplay, and, since Bob is in charge of Evulz's character and that those were, in a way, ''his'' mooks, he starts bickering with Alice about it.
* '''Played For Drama''': Alice is stated to have a mysterious entity watching over her, protecting her, and even raising her from the dead. This entity turns out to be the player themselves, meaning that any violence committed was never Alice's choice in the first place. During a cutscene Alice finally does have a choice, which is why she refuses to stoop the player's level of violence.

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** Emperor Evulz [[BreakThemByTalking breaks]] [[TheCape Alice]] [[HannibalLecture by pointing out that she's pretty much responsible for a mass murder]]. Alice may be convinced and corrupted, or [[ShutUpHannibal retort]] with one of the Justifications justifications listed above.
* '''Conversed''': Bob and Dan watch a supehero superhero movie featuring Super Alice mowing down mooks, and comment that that kind of behavior would be terrible in real life.
* '''Played For Laugh''': for Laughs''': None of this is real — we're seeing Alice and Bob's gameplay, and, since Bob is in charge of Evulz's character and that those were, in a way, ''his'' mooks, he starts bickering with Alice about it.
* '''Played For for Drama''': Alice is stated to have a mysterious entity watching over her, protecting her, and even raising her from the dead. This entity turns out to be the player themselves, meaning that any violence committed was never Alice's choice in the first place. During a cutscene cutscene, Alice finally does have a choice, which is why she refuses to stoop to the player's level of violence.



* '''Reconstructed''': However the treatment of the mooks turns out to be not [[PayEvilUntoEvil unjustified]] given that they commit countless war crimes for no reason other than their selfish enjoyment. Evulz, meanwhile, was a WellIntentionedExtremist.

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* '''Reconstructed''': However However, the treatment of the mooks turns out to be not [[PayEvilUntoEvil unjustified]] given that they commit countless war crimes for no reason other than their selfish enjoyment. Evulz, meanwhile, was a WellIntentionedExtremist.
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice did take efforts to avoid bloodshed, using stealth and non lethal weapons on various guards. Nonetheless she killed a number of them, with only vague regrets on how the violence reflected poorly on her. Once she confronts Evulz, she makes numerous offers him to surrender peacefully, only to have Evulz [[DrivenToSuicide choose death over the shame of defeat]]. Alice spends multiple episodes angsting over the death of Evulz, despite being aware the world is a better place without him.

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice did take efforts to avoid bloodshed, using stealth and non lethal weapons on various guards. Nonetheless she killed a number of them, with only vague regrets on how the violence reflected poorly on her. Once she confronts Evulz, she makes numerous offers to him to surrender peacefully, only to have Evulz [[DrivenToSuicide choose death over the shame of defeat]]. Alice spends multiple episodes angsting over the death of Evulz, despite being aware the world is a better place without him.

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