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* ''Literature/JourneyToTheWest'' is an OlderThanSteam example as there's centuries of different empires, dynasties and religions across East Asia taking different interpretations from it. Countless Imperial Chinese readers viewed it as pro-conformity due to Wukong being brought to heel for his rebelliousness, despite the Jade Emperor being portrayed as an awful and ineffectual ruler. Yet on the other hand viewing the book as entirely Buddhism favoured isn't correct either, as Buddha and Guanyin are also depicted as jerks who manipulate protagonists and put them through the wringer, often unfairly. Really the epic being highly satirical takes no sides with every authority, no matter what belief, being treated as equally flawed in their own ways.
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** There's a strategy board game based on the books, which successfully takes the event Collins has spent three books showing as horrible, life-destroying, and a sign of just how evil humanity can be, and makes it a fun game for 2-6 players. Some fans are ecstatic. ''Website/CollegeHumor'' parodies this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BK6YeSw-3Q here]].

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** There's a strategy board game based on the books, which successfully takes the event Collins has spent three books showing as horrible, life-destroying, and a sign of just how evil humanity can be, and makes it a fun game for 2-6 players. Some fans are ecstatic. ''Website/CollegeHumor'' ''[[Creator/{{Dropout}} CollegeHumor]]'' parodies this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BK6YeSw-3Q here]].
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** A recurring belief among the many fans of the book who support Christine and Erik's relationship is that Erik really represents the exciting life of tempestuous bohemian freedom for her, while Raoul in contrast just wants to chain Christine down to a marriage and make her a submissive wife. In actual fact Erik is the one trying to rob Christine of her freedom and choices as he spends a lot of the novel gaslighting Christine into believing he's a voice from Heaven sent by her father to teach her music and she can't marry anyone if she wants his lessons. Upon getting revealing his true identity and Christine seeing his NightmareFace, Erik outright declares she can never leave him now and essentially exploits Christine's compassion so that she takes pity on him. While there is some ambiguity over Christine's feelings for Erik in the original text, especially when Raoul asks if she would love Erik if he had a handsome face -- it's still made clear in the novel that their relationship is dominance and pity rather than true love. The lesson Erik learns in the end is that can't control or trap Christine if he actually loves her.

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** A recurring belief among the many fans of the book who support Christine and Erik's relationship is that Erik really represents the exciting life of tempestuous bohemian freedom for her, while Raoul in contrast just wants to chain Christine down to a marriage and make her a submissive wife. In actual fact Erik is the one trying to rob Christine of her freedom and choices as he spends a lot of the novel gaslighting Christine into believing he's a voice from Heaven sent by her father to teach her music and she can't marry anyone if she wants his lessons. Upon getting revealing his true identity and Christine seeing his NightmareFace, Erik outright declares that she can never leave him now and essentially exploits Christine's compassion so that she takes pity on him. While there is some ambiguity over Christine's feelings for Erik in the original text, especially when Raoul asks if she would love Erik if he had a handsome face -- it's still made clear in the novel that their relationship is entrapment, dominance and pity rather than true love. The lesson Erik learns in the end is that can't control or trap Christine if he actually loves her.
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* Aside from all the uncertainties surrounding him, Myth/KingArthur can certainly be linked to two specific cultures, namely Breton/Welsh and Norman. Let's sum it up: there are five authors whose writings are considered the literary basis of Myth/ArthurianLegend; [[Literature/HistoriaRegumBritanniae Geoffrey of Monmouth]] (a Welsh cleric), Wace (a Norman poet), Creator/MarieDeFrance (a French poetess), Robert de Boron (a French(-Norman) poet) and last but not least Creator/ChretienDeTroyes (a French cleric). All of them wrote/compiled stories of Arthur and his court rooted in Breton/Welsh/Gallic legendary settings, stories all written in either Latin or a variation of Ancient French (Picard, Anglo-Norman). In those stories, apart from the fiefs of the knights being located in either Brittany, Wales or Cornwall, the authors made it crystal clear that Arthur and his realm is fighting a neverending war against ''Saxons'' trying to invade the British Isles. The first king to use thoses legends to promote himself? William the Conqueror, in order to legitimize the Norman reign (with Breton help) on Saxon subjects in England. Yet, to this day, you will still find Englishmen/Americans (Anglo-''Saxons'') talking about "our glorious, semi-legendary king Arthur, protector of England". In ''Literature/LeMorteDArthur'', Sir Thomas Malory consistently describes Arthur as the "King of England", which must have really thrilled any Welshmen reading the book...

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* Aside from all the uncertainties surrounding him, Myth/KingArthur can certainly be linked to two specific cultures, namely Breton/Welsh and Norman. Let's sum it up: there are five authors whose writings are considered the literary basis of Myth/ArthurianLegend; Myth/ArthurianLegend: [[Literature/HistoriaRegumBritanniae Geoffrey of Monmouth]] (a Welsh cleric), Wace (a Norman poet), Creator/MarieDeFrance (a French poetess), Robert de Boron (a French(-Norman) poet) and last but not least Creator/ChretienDeTroyes (a French cleric). All of them wrote/compiled stories of Arthur and his court rooted in Breton/Welsh/Gallic legendary settings, stories all written in either Latin or a variation of Ancient French (Picard, Anglo-Norman). In those stories, apart from the fiefs of the knights being located in either Brittany, Wales or Cornwall, the authors made it crystal clear that Arthur and his realm is fighting a neverending war against ''Saxons'' trying to invade the British Isles. The first king to use thoses legends to promote himself? William the Conqueror, in order to legitimize the Norman reign (with Breton help) on Saxon subjects in England. Yet, to this day, you will still find Englishmen/Americans (Anglo-''Saxons'') talking about "our glorious, semi-legendary king Arthur, protector of England". In ''Literature/LeMorteDArthur'', Sir Thomas Malory consistently describes Arthur as the "King of England", which must have really thrilled any Welshmen reading the book...
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** The world he created was meant to be a {{dystopia}}, and Paul Atreides was ''not'' a role model, but a DarkMessiah and a {{deconstruct|edCharacterArchetype}}ion of TheChosenOne -- and one who eventually realized the error of his ways, at that. This hasn't stopped [[https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/race-consciousness-fascism-and-frank-herberts-dune some alt-right fans]] from hailing him as a heroic {{Ubermensch}} who serves as a great exhibition of their values, a man imbued with genetic superiority who reforges society in his image through brutal conquest. Paul's co-option by the alt-right, which is often ferocious in its hatred of the Islamic religion, is extra ironic given that Herbert based his journey on that of UsefulNotes/TheProphetMuhammad. ''Film/DunePartTwo'' thankfully corrects this by displaying Paul and Fremen’s victory in the climax as something unambiguously terrible and sinister with imagery straight reminiscent of real world terrorist attacks.

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** The world he created was meant to be a {{dystopia}}, and Paul Atreides was ''not'' a role model, but a DarkMessiah and a {{deconstruct|edCharacterArchetype}}ion of TheChosenOne -- and one who eventually realized the error of his ways, at that. This hasn't stopped [[https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/race-consciousness-fascism-and-frank-herberts-dune some alt-right fans]] from hailing him as a heroic {{Ubermensch}} who serves as a great exhibition of their values, a man imbued with genetic superiority who reforges society in his image through brutal conquest. Paul's co-option by the alt-right, which is often ferocious in its hatred of the Islamic religion, is extra ironic given that Herbert based his journey on that of UsefulNotes/TheProphetMuhammad. ''Film/DunePartTwo'' thankfully corrects this by displaying Paul and Fremen’s victory in the climax as something unambiguously terrible and sinister with imagery straight reminiscent of real world terrorist attacks.



** A recurring belief among the many fans of the book who support Christine and Erik’s relationship is that Erik really represents the exciting life of tempestuous bohemian freedom for her, while Raoul in contrast just wants to chain Christine down down to a marriage and be a submissive wife. In actual fact Erik is the one trying to rob Christine of her freedom and choices as he spends a lot of the novel gaslighting Christine into believing he’s a voice from Heaven sent by her father to teach her music and she can’t marry anyone if she wants his lessons. Upon getting revealing his true identity and Christine seeing his NightmareFace, Erik outright declares she can never leave him now and essentially exploits Christine‘s compassion so that she takes pity on him. While there is some ambiguity over Christine’s feelings for Erik in the original text, especially when Raoul asks if she would love Erik if he had a handsome face — it’s still made clear in the novel that their relationship is dominance and pity rather than true love. The lesson Erik learns in the end is that can’t control or trap Christine if he actually loves her.

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** A recurring belief among the many fans of the book who support Christine and Erik’s relationship is that Erik really represents the exciting life of tempestuous bohemian freedom for her, while Raoul in contrast just wants to chain Christine down down to a marriage and be make her a submissive wife. In actual fact Erik is the one trying to rob Christine of her freedom and choices as he spends a lot of the novel gaslighting Christine into believing he’s a voice from Heaven sent by her father to teach her music and she can’t marry anyone if she wants his lessons. Upon getting revealing his true identity and Christine seeing his NightmareFace, Erik outright declares she can never leave him now and essentially exploits Christine‘s compassion so that she takes pity on him. While there is some ambiguity over Christine’s feelings for Erik in the original text, especially when Raoul asks if she would love Erik if he had a handsome face — it’s still made clear in the novel that their relationship is dominance and pity rather than true love. The lesson Erik learns in the end is that can’t control or trap Christine if he actually loves her.

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** The world he created was meant to be a {{dystopia}}, and Paul Atreides was ''not'' a role model, but a DarkMessiah and a {{deconstruct|edCharacterArchetype}}ion of TheChosenOne -- and one who eventually realized the error of his ways, at that. This hasn't stopped [[https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/race-consciousness-fascism-and-frank-herberts-dune some alt-right fans]] from hailing him as a heroic {{Ubermensch}} who serves as a great exhibition of their values, a man imbued with genetic superiority who reforges society in his image through brutal conquest. Paul's co-option by the alt-right, which is often ferocious in its hatred of the Islamic religion, is extra ironic given that Herbert based his journey on that of UsefulNotes/TheProphetMuhammad.

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** The world he created was meant to be a {{dystopia}}, and Paul Atreides was ''not'' a role model, but a DarkMessiah and a {{deconstruct|edCharacterArchetype}}ion of TheChosenOne -- and one who eventually realized the error of his ways, at that. This hasn't stopped [[https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/race-consciousness-fascism-and-frank-herberts-dune some alt-right fans]] from hailing him as a heroic {{Ubermensch}} who serves as a great exhibition of their values, a man imbued with genetic superiority who reforges society in his image through brutal conquest. Paul's co-option by the alt-right, which is often ferocious in its hatred of the Islamic religion, is extra ironic given that Herbert based his journey on that of UsefulNotes/TheProphetMuhammad. ''Film/DunePartTwo'' thankfully corrects this by displaying Paul and Fremen’s victory in the climax as something unambiguously terrible and sinister with imagery straight reminiscent of real world terrorist attacks.


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* ''Literature/ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' overlapping with the {{Theatre}} page has a lot this going on.
** Many fans of the book treat Leroux’s work as a RomanceNovel due to the central LoveTriangle. Really it’s a GothicHorror with romantic elements, if not an outright [[TwoFistedTales Pulp]] considering the story was originally released as a serial in the French newspaper.
** A recurring belief among the many fans of the book who support Christine and Erik’s relationship is that Erik really represents the exciting life of tempestuous bohemian freedom for her, while Raoul in contrast just wants to chain Christine down down to a marriage and be a submissive wife. In actual fact Erik is the one trying to rob Christine of her freedom and choices as he spends a lot of the novel gaslighting Christine into believing he’s a voice from Heaven sent by her father to teach her music and she can’t marry anyone if she wants his lessons. Upon getting revealing his true identity and Christine seeing his NightmareFace, Erik outright declares she can never leave him now and essentially exploits Christine‘s compassion so that she takes pity on him. While there is some ambiguity over Christine’s feelings for Erik in the original text, especially when Raoul asks if she would love Erik if he had a handsome face — it’s still made clear in the novel that their relationship is dominance and pity rather than true love. The lesson Erik learns in the end is that can’t control or trap Christine if he actually loves her.
** On the other hand, the book fans that whole heartedly support Christine and Raoul’s romance aren’t completely in the right either. Raoul obviously isn’t a murderer like Erik and he has every right to care about Christine due to their shared childhood (which is why she loves him) but his childishly lovesick attitude towards her is only marginally less obsessive than the Phantom’s and he’s just as guilty of stalking Christine and trampling on her privacy.
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* ''Literature/Fahrenheit451'': This novel is often used by people who try to say that books are the superior form of media and that everything else is stupid and shallow. However, that's not what the novel was trying to say at all. In fact, there's one scene where Faber says that books as a medium aren't the important part, it's the content that matters. It just so happens that in their society books tend to have the most meaningful content. He is trying to say that it's the content that should be deeper and more meaningful. People frequently ignore that though to argue the supremacy of books as a medium.

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* ''Literature/Fahrenheit451'': This novel is often used by people who try to say that books are the superior form of media and that everything else is stupid and shallow. However, that's not what the novel was trying to say at all. In fact, there's one scene where Faber says that books as a medium aren't the important part, it's the content that matters. It just so happens that in their society books tend to have the most meaningful content. He is trying to say that it's the content that should be deeper and more meaningful. People frequently ignore that though to argue the supremacy of books as a medium. Also, people regard it as an AuthorTract against government censorship, an interpretation that the author explicitly rejected.
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** There are many jokes surrounding the idea on how the titular character in ''Theatre/Hamlet'' may have romantic feelings for his own mother, despite the play depicting how disgusted the protagonist is of her mother marrying his uncle— comparing it to incest.

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** There are many jokes surrounding the idea on how the titular character in ''Theatre/Hamlet'' ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' may have romantic feelings for his own mother, despite the play depicting how disgusted the protagonist is of her mother marrying his uncle— comparing it to incest.
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** In later editions of the book Palahniuk himself would express confusion and dismay when, after the book had been out for some time, men started coming up to him and telling him about the horrific things they did to emulate Tyler in their own attempts to "stick it to the man".
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* ''[[http://users.aber.ac.uk/dgc/funtheyhad.html The Fun They Had]]'' by Creator/IsaacAsimov was intended to be ironic; he hated school as a child because the classes were paced for less able students and he did not get along with his teachers. Many people, though, miss the intended irony ([[NostalgiaFilter having forgotten just how bad school can be]]) and take the story's concluding sentence at face value. It's even appeared in elementary school readers, presumably to get kids to appreciate school...

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* ''[[http://users.aber.ac.uk/dgc/funtheyhad.html The Fun They Had]]'' ''Literature/TheFunTheyHad'' by Creator/IsaacAsimov was intended to be ironic; he hated school as a child because the classes were paced for less able students and he did not get along with his teachers. Many people, though, miss the intended irony ([[NostalgiaFilter having forgotten just how bad school can be]]) and take the story's concluding sentence at face value. It's even appeared in elementary school readers, presumably to get kids to appreciate school...
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** Nietzsche's most famous work, ''Literature/AlsoSprachZarathustra'', also has an in-universe example. Zarathustra's ape tries to copy Zarathustra's speeches, but thinks that they're purely about expressing contempt for normal people, not understanding that Zarathustra's dramatic expressions are really meant to inspire his followers to overcome their limits and achieve transcendent greatness.
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* Joey Comeau's [[http://www.lockpickbook.net/ Lockpick Pornography]] gets a lot of readers rooting for the narrator, which has caused Comeau to reply, "Aw but I hate what he does." This might to some extent be a case of a character being mistaken for an AuthorAvatar, since both Comeau and his protagonist are openly queer and fond of sexy trouble.

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* Joey Comeau's [[http://www.lockpickbook.net/ Lockpick Pornography]] ''Literature/LockpickPornography'' gets a lot of readers rooting for the narrator, which has caused Comeau to reply, "Aw but I hate what he does." This might to some extent be a case of a character being mistaken for an AuthorAvatar, since both Comeau and his protagonist are openly queer and fond of sexy trouble.

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The Tea Party was opposed to government bail outs and not necessarily religious.


** The co-opting of ''Literature/AtlasShrugged'' by American Conservatives and the Tea Party would be another example of Misaimed Fandom. While her work was favorable of [[SelfMadeMan self-made millionaires]], it also negatively depicted [=CEO=]s who made money relying on favorable government deals. Furthermore, she was also a militant atheist who saw organized religion as a tool to get people to act against their own self-interest in service of collectivist ideals, and between that and her pro-choice view on abortion, she hated the Religious Right. Not that it stopped pundits like Sean Hannity from making a cameo in the movie adaptation.

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** The co-opting of ''Literature/AtlasShrugged'' by American Conservatives and the Tea Party would be another example of Misaimed Fandom. While her work was favorable of [[SelfMadeMan self-made millionaires]], it also negatively depicted [=CEO=]s who made money relying on favorable government deals. Furthermore, she was also a militant atheist who saw organized religion as a tool to get people to act against their own self-interest in service of collectivist ideals, and between that and her pro-choice view on abortion, she hated the Religious Right. Not that it stopped pundits like Sean Hannity from making a cameo in the movie adaptation.
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We don’t need a metaphor that obscures more than it illuminates.


* "The White Man's Burden" by Creator/RudyardKipling is a case of MisaimedFandom ''and'' Misaimed Hatedom. This point-missing is aggravated by the prints forgetting its "dedication" line. That's like forgetting to supply dynamite with a detonator, because this was "An Address to the United States" published on the heels of the Philippine War. If you don't see the trouble yet, read Creator/MarkTwain's articles about it. Or imagine that [[Literature/CatchTwentyTwo Joseph Heller]] with his reputation lived to 2006, and dropped in a big conference with "UsefulNotes/{{DRM}} and laws" in the middle of its order paper... to read his new poem with "Sony Rootkit" in the dedication and "I think Microsoft is pretty cool" in the text. Some could take it seriously, more as vicious irony, some like, some not -- but ''no'' chance this would ''not'' [[FlameBait provoke an untold riot then and there]]. The author of ''Stalky'' and ''Pig'' should have known what he did was {{troll}}eriffic. But [[SerialEscalation just in case it wasn't enough]], he also did publicly "bequeath" UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire's role to the people looking for contrasts with it and still remembering UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution.

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* "The White Man's Burden" by Creator/RudyardKipling is a case of MisaimedFandom ''and'' Misaimed Hatedom. [[note]]Whether the hatedom is truly misaimed is questionable, considering that Kipling genuinely believed that [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality (British)]] colonialism was always good for the colonized and that counterexamples were caused by bad apples, rather than being InherentInTheSystem.[[/note]] This point-missing is aggravated by the prints forgetting its "dedication" line. That's like forgetting to supply dynamite with a detonator, because this was "An Address to the United States" published on the heels of the Philippine War. If you don't see the trouble yet, read Creator/MarkTwain's articles about it. Or imagine that [[Literature/CatchTwentyTwo Joseph Heller]] with his reputation lived to 2006, and dropped in a big conference with "UsefulNotes/{{DRM}} and laws" in the middle of its order paper... to read his new poem with "Sony Rootkit" in the dedication and "I think Microsoft is pretty cool" in the text. Some could take it seriously, more as vicious irony, some like, some not -- but ''no'' chance this would ''not'' [[FlameBait provoke an untold riot then and there]]. The author of ''Stalky'' and ''Pig'' should have known what he did was {{troll}}eriffic. But [[SerialEscalation just in case it wasn't enough]], he also did publicly "bequeath" UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire's role to the people looking for contrasts with it and still remembering UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution.UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution, implicitly stating that the Americans had [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis Become Their Own Antithesis]].
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There's plenty of pro-free speech leftists. Editing it to be more specific.


* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper Karl Popper]] is frequently quoted by leftists, with his [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance paradox of tolerance]] being cited as a reason to censor ideas they disagree with. However, Popper strongly warned against the outright suppression of so-called "intolerant" policies if their proponents were not actively rejecting the concept of debate or calling for violence. His full quote treats suppression as [[GodzillaThreshold not to be used unless absolutely necessary.]]

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper Karl Popper]] is frequently quoted by anti-free speech leftists, with his [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance paradox of tolerance]] being cited as a reason in arguments for why it is okay to censor ideas they disagree with. "hateful" ideas. However, Popper strongly warned against the outright suppression of so-called "intolerant" policies if their proponents were not actively rejecting was in fact ardently pro-free speech and believed in countering bad ideas through rational debate, with "intolerance" being reserved only for those who reject the concept of debate or calling and opt for violence. His full violence against those they disagree with instead. Indeed, while many will recite where he says "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them", these omit the second part of the quote treats suppression as [[GodzillaThreshold not to be used unless absolutely necessary.]]where he states:
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** People often quote Isabella Thorpe of ''Literature/NorthangerAbbey'' on loyalty and friendship--ignoring that Isabella is actually a terrible friend, and these "inspirational" quotes are there to show what a huge hypocrite she is.
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I still think people who make this joke need read the full play.

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** There are many jokes surrounding the idea on how the titular character in ''Theatre/Hamlet'' may have romantic feelings for his own mother, despite the play depicting how disgusted the protagonist is of her mother marrying his uncle— comparing it to incest.

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