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22nd Jul '16 4:50:18 AM Anddrix
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** Ashfur is a BaseBreaker in general, and WordOfGod states that [[GreyAndGreyMorality this was intentional]]. As always, though, there's a minority of Ashfur fans who claim that he was justified in trying to murder [[spoiler:Squirrelflight's father and children]] to make her feel the same pain he had. [[SarcasmMode It doesn't]] ''[[SarcasmMode matter]]'' [[SarcasmMode that he's killing innocent cats to get his revenge, because]] ''[[spoiler:[[SarcasmMode Squirrelflight]]]] [[SarcasmMode was mean to him!]]''

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** Ashfur is a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter in general, and WordOfGod states that [[GreyAndGreyMorality this was intentional]]. As always, though, there's a minority of Ashfur fans who claim that he was justified in trying to murder [[spoiler:Squirrelflight's father and children]] to make her feel the same pain he had. [[SarcasmMode It doesn't]] ''[[SarcasmMode matter]]'' [[SarcasmMode that he's killing innocent cats to get his revenge, because]] ''[[spoiler:[[SarcasmMode Squirrelflight]]]] [[SarcasmMode was mean to him!]]''
10th Jul '16 11:56:39 AM BenOfHouston
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** In the end, though, it isn't as bad as other examples, as while it didn't promote his socialist views as well, it at least did cause several of the more egregious worker safety issues he raised to be addressed.
7th Jul '16 11:35:59 PM ShorinBJ
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*** On the other hand, Snape's love for Lily is arguably more of an obsession than actual love. He is willing to sacrifice her husband and baby just so she survives, no matter how devastating that would be for her, and there are hints that most of his more heroic actions are because of Lily rather than due to any moral reasons. He also doesn't seem to regret his time with Voldemort or Voldemort's plan to kill a child (and probably it's family) until he learns it's Lily's. This is not to mention that he is a very unpleasant person (something J.K. Rowling herself said) who bullied Neville and Hermione for no reason starting when they were 11 years old.
** Some people like Tom Riddle because of his attractiveness and charm and will excuse his actions, especially those from his childhood, because he was an orphan. This is all despite the fact that Riddle used these exact things to garner sympathy and hide his sociopathy in-universe, enabling himself to pass as the BadAssBookWorm his fans think he is.

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*** On the other hand, Snape's love for Lily is arguably more of an obsession than actual love. He is willing to sacrifice her husband and baby just so she survives, no matter how devastating that would be for her, and there are hints that most of his more heroic actions are because of Lily rather than due to any moral reasons. He also doesn't seem to regret his time with Voldemort or Voldemort's plan to kill a child (and probably it's its family) until he learns it's Lily's. This is not to mention that he is a very unpleasant person (something J.K. Rowling herself said) who bullied Neville and Hermione for no reason starting when they were 11 years old.
** Some people like Tom Riddle because of his attractiveness and charm and will excuse his actions, especially those from his childhood, because he was an orphan. This is all despite the fact that Riddle used these exact things to garner sympathy and hide his sociopathy in-universe, enabling himself to pass as the BadAssBookWorm BadassBookworm his fans think he is.



** There is a large part of the fandom who have claimed that Harry and Co. should've just sniped Voldemort due to [[GodNeverSaidThat unsubstantiated rumors]] that J. K. Rowling said that a Muggle with a shotgun will generally beat a wizard

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** There is a large part of the fandom who have claimed that Harry and Co. should've just sniped Voldemort due to [[GodNeverSaidThat unsubstantiated rumors]] that J. K. Rowling said that a Muggle with a shotgun will generally beat a wizardwizard.



** And then there was the [[note]]"the" as in: the only that has a fairly large media standing - of course there are countless sects and factions [[/note]] German extreme left who absolutely ''loved'' the book. (No, it isn't ''just'' subtext about [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Lord 'Dolfemort]], which might be intended by the author. It's more the racist antiracism: [[UnfortunateImplications "Slytherin are born evil by nature".]] Replace "Slytherin" by "German" and you have the official party line of selfsame extreme left.)

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** And then there was the [[note]]"the" as in: the only that has a fairly large media standing - of course there are countless sects and factions [[/note]] German extreme left who absolutely ''loved'' the book. (No, it isn't ''just'' subtext about [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Lord 'Dolfemort]], which might be intended by the author. It's more the racist antiracism: [[UnfortunateImplications "Slytherin are born evil by nature".]] nature,"]][[note]]Which isn't at ''all'' true[[/note]] Replace "Slytherin" by with "German" and you have the official party line of selfsame extreme left.)



** [[WordOfGod Rowling herself was disturbed]] to find that there were fans who considered Bellatrix Lestrange, Voldemort's sociopathic [[TheDragon second-in-command]], to be a pro-feminist character and regarded [[spoiler: her defeat at the hands of [[ApronMatron housewife Molly Weasley]]]] to be a sign of [[BoomerangBigot internalized misogyny on Rowling's part]]. Rowling pointed out that while Bellatrix is the best fighter of the female cast, she is also slavishly devoted to, and willing to commit murder, kidnapping, and torture for, ''a man'' who will never reciprocate her feelings.

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** [[WordOfGod Rowling herself was disturbed]] to find that there were fans who considered Bellatrix Lestrange, Voldemort's sociopathic [[TheDragon second-in-command]], to be a pro-feminist character and regarded [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her defeat at the hands of [[ApronMatron housewife Molly Weasley]]]] to be a sign of [[BoomerangBigot internalized misogyny on Rowling's part]]. Rowling pointed out that while Bellatrix is the best fighter of the female cast, she is also slavishly devoted to, and willing to commit murder, kidnapping, and torture for, ''a man'' who will never reciprocate her feelings.



** ''Many'' fans, like the Capitol crowd, were completely star-struck by the love triangles, intense action sequences and pretty costumes, to the point where ''wanting to be a tribute'' became the new "wanting to attend [[Franchise/HarryPotter Hogwarts]]". The [[WarIsHell final book]] didn't go over too well with these people. A lot of fanfiction involves sending [[SailorEarth OCs]] to the Hunger Games, and it's treated like a fun game rather than a dehumanizing death-match. Oddly, few of them ever get the real violence; they usually just hang around making OC's, reaping, and maybe chariots/interview scenes.

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** ''Many'' fans, like the Capitol crowd, were completely star-struck by the love triangles, intense action sequences and pretty costumes, to the point where ''wanting to be a tribute'' became the new "wanting to attend [[Franchise/HarryPotter Hogwarts]]". The [[WarIsHell final book]] didn't go over too well with these people. A lot of fanfiction involves sending [[SailorEarth OCs]] to the Hunger Games, and it's treated like a fun game rather than a dehumanizing death-match. Oddly, few of them ever get the real violence; they usually just hang around making OC's, OCs, reaping, and maybe chariots/interview scenes.



*** Considering that the wall in question is mentioned as routinely violated by hunters and other trespassers, this interpretation is somewhat exagerated.

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*** Considering that the wall in question is mentioned as routinely violated by hunters and other trespassers, this interpretation is somewhat exagerated.exaggerated.



** Not to mention, if Lisbeth ''was'' explicitely said to be a feminist... wouldn't the aforementioned "going out of the way to beat up misogynistic pigs" "confirm" the (untrue) belief that [[StrawFeminist "all feminists]] [[DoesNotLikeMen are man haters"]]? If it did, it could go straight into UnfortunateImplications since that's one of the ugliest stereotypes about feminism as a whole.

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** Not to mention, if Lisbeth ''was'' explicitely explicitly said to be a feminist... wouldn't the aforementioned "going out of the way to beat up misogynistic pigs" "confirm" the (untrue) belief that [[StrawFeminist "all feminists]] [[DoesNotLikeMen are man haters"]]? If it did, it could go straight into UnfortunateImplications since that's one of the ugliest stereotypes about feminism as a whole.
30th Apr '16 8:45:58 AM LordOfTheSword
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** Tolkein also had a fierce hatred of {{Allegory}}, where people thought that events from the book were based on real life events, but heavily favored {{Applicability}}, or putting the messages of the book to use in the reader's own life. Despite this, most people who studied it in the day (and currently as well) used allegory to explain the book, much to Tolkein's annoyance. He wrote many letters angrily saying how people were missing the ''entire message'' of his book, but eventually despaired of being able to change people's minds, since using his book as allegory had already become so ingrained.

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** Tolkein Tolkien also had a fierce hatred of {{Allegory}}, where people thought that events from the book were based on real life events, but heavily favored {{Applicability}}, or putting the messages of the book to use in the reader's own life. Despite this, most people who studied it in the day (and currently as well) used allegory to explain the book, much to Tolkein's Tolkien's annoyance. He wrote many letters angrily saying how people were missing the ''entire message'' of his book, but eventually despaired of being able to change people's minds, since using his book as allegory had already become so ingrained.
30th Apr '16 8:45:34 AM LordOfTheSword
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** Tolkein also had a fierce hatred of {{Allegory}}, where people thought that events from the book were based on real life events, but heavily favored {{Applicability}}, or putting the messages of the book to use in the reader's own life. Despite this, most people who studied it in the day (and currently as well) used allegory to explain the book, much to Tolkein's annoyance. He wrote many letters angrily saying how people were missing the ''entire message'' of his book, but eventually despaired of being able to change people's minds, since using his book as allegory had already become so ingrained.
14th Apr '16 10:09:27 PM Chytus
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** Since J. K. Rowling's admission that a Muggle with a shotgun will generally beat a wizard, there is a large part of the fandom who have claimed that Harry and Co. should've just sniped Voldemort.

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** Since There is a large part of the fandom who have claimed that Harry and Co. should've just sniped Voldemort due to [[GodNeverSaidThat unsubstantiated rumors]] that J. K. Rowling's admission Rowling said that a Muggle with a shotgun will generally beat a wizard, there is a large part of the fandom who have claimed that Harry and Co. should've just sniped Voldemort. wizard
1st Apr '16 4:20:35 AM LegitimateIdiot
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* [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in-universe with Zadie Smith's 2000 novel ''Literature/WhiteTeeth'', in which a young Muslim extremist admires the gangster characters portrayed by AlPacino, RobertDeNiro, et.al., but also feels tremendous guilt about this admiration (mostly because those characters are from Western popular culture, and therefore anathema to radical Islam). This ultimately becomes a subversion, however, as the boy remains an unrepentantly violent MalcolmXerox-type radical who imagines himself as [[Film/TheGodfather Michael Corleone]] as he carries out a religiously-motivated assassination attempt. Then, double-subverted when [[spoiler: the assassination plot fails and he experiences a HeelFaceTurn at the end of the novel]].
29th Mar '16 8:21:36 PM HamburgerTime
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** That more than half of the fics for this fandom revive Leslie/reveal she never died/take place in an AlternateUniverse where she never even had her accident can be considered this as well, considering that the book has a pro-coping with death moral and Leslie was based on a real person who actually died.



** Then there are the folks who think that Bellatrix is the perfect feminist role model or that Tom Riddle is a BadAssBookWorm to begin with, being driven further into evil by Dumbledore's paranoia and favoritism.
*** Some people like Tom Riddle because of his attractiveness and charm and will excuse his actions, especially those from his childhood, because he was an orphan. This is all despite the fact that Riddle used these exact things to garner sympathy and hide his sociopathy in-universe, enabling himself to pass as the BadAssBookWorm his fans think he is.

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** Then there are the folks who think that Bellatrix is the perfect feminist role model or that Tom Riddle is a BadAssBookWorm to begin with, being driven further into evil by Dumbledore's paranoia and favoritism.
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Some people like Tom Riddle because of his attractiveness and charm and will excuse his actions, especially those from his childhood, because he was an orphan. This is all despite the fact that Riddle used these exact things to garner sympathy and hide his sociopathy in-universe, enabling himself to pass as the BadAssBookWorm his fans think he is.


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** [[WordOfGod Rowling herself was disturbed]] to find that there were fans who considered Bellatrix Lestrange, Voldemort's sociopathic [[TheDragon second-in-command]], to be a pro-feminist character and regarded [[spoiler: her defeat at the hands of [[ApronMatron housewife Molly Weasley]]]] to be a sign of [[BoomerangBigot internalized misogyny on Rowling's part]]. Rowling pointed out that while Bellatrix is the best fighter of the female cast, she is also slavishly devoted to, and willing to commit murder, kidnapping, and torture for, ''a man'' who will never reciprocate her feelings.
17th Mar '16 6:17:27 AM Ultor
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* Aside from all the uncertainties surrounding him, King Arthur can certainly be linked to two specific cultures, namely Breton/Welsh and Norman. Let's sum it up: there are five authors whose writings are considered the litterary basis of the Arthurian legend ; Geoffrey of Monmouth (a Welsh cleric), Wace (a Norman poet), Marie de France (a French poetess), Robert de Boron (a French(-Norman) poet) and last but not least Chrétien de Troyes (a French cleric). All of them wrote/compiled stories of Arthur and his court rooted in Breton/Welsh/Gallic legendary settings, stories all written in either Latin or a variation of Ancient French (Picard, Anglo-Norman). In those stories, apart from the fiefs of the knights being located in either Brittany, Wales or Cornwall, the authors made it crystal clear that Arthur and his realm is fighting a neverending war against ''Saxons'' trying to invade the British Isles. The first king to use thoses legends to promote himself? William the Conqueror, in order to legitimate the Norman reign (with Breton help) on Saxon subjects in England. Yet, to this day, you will still find Englishmen/Americans (Anglo-''Saxons'') talking about "our glorious semi-legendary king Arthur, protector of England".
17th Jan '16 11:03:05 AM detghost
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*** Some people like Tom Riddle because of his attractiveness and charm and will excuse his actions, especially those from his childhood, because he was an orphan. This is all despite the fact that Riddle used these exact things to garner sympathy and hide his sociopathy in-universe, enabling himself to pass as a polite but BadAssBookWorm.

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*** Some people like Tom Riddle because of his attractiveness and charm and will excuse his actions, especially those from his childhood, because he was an orphan. This is all despite the fact that Riddle used these exact things to garner sympathy and hide his sociopathy in-universe, enabling himself to pass as a polite but BadAssBookWorm.the BadAssBookWorm his fans think he is.
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