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25th Jan '17 8:21:42 AM DrBB
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* Aside from all the uncertainties surrounding him, King Arthur can certainly be linked to two specific cultures, namely Breton/Welsh and Norman. Let's sum it up: there are five authors whose writings are considered the litterary basis of the Arthurian legend ; Geoffrey of Monmouth (a Welsh cleric), Wace (a Norman poet), Marie de France (a French poetess), Robert de Boron (a French(-Norman) poet) and last but not least Chrétien de Troyes (a French cleric). All of them wrote/compiled stories of Arthur and his court rooted in Breton/Welsh/Gallic legendary settings, stories all written in either Latin or a variation of Ancient French (Picard, Anglo-Norman). In those stories, apart from the fiefs of the knights being located in either Brittany, Wales or Cornwall, the authors made it crystal clear that Arthur and his realm is fighting a neverending war against ''Saxons'' trying to invade the British Isles. The first king to use thoses legends to promote himself? William the Conqueror, in order to legitimate the Norman reign (with Breton help) on Saxon subjects in England. Yet, to this day, you will still find Englishmen/Americans (Anglo-''Saxons'') talking about "our glorious semi-legendary king Arthur, protector of England".

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* Aside from all the uncertainties surrounding him, King Arthur can certainly be linked to two specific cultures, namely Breton/Welsh and Norman. Let's sum it up: there are five authors whose writings are considered the litterary literary basis of the Arthurian legend ; Geoffrey of Monmouth (a Welsh cleric), Wace (a Norman poet), Marie de France (a French poetess), Robert de Boron (a French(-Norman) poet) and last but not least Chrétien de Troyes (a French cleric). All of them wrote/compiled stories of Arthur and his court rooted in Breton/Welsh/Gallic legendary settings, stories all written in either Latin or a variation of Ancient French (Picard, Anglo-Norman). In those stories, apart from the fiefs of the knights being located in either Brittany, Wales or Cornwall, the authors made it crystal clear that Arthur and his realm is fighting a neverending war against ''Saxons'' trying to invade the British Isles. The first king to use thoses legends to promote himself? William the Conqueror, in order to legitimate the Norman reign (with Breton help) on Saxon subjects in England. Yet, to this day, you will still find Englishmen/Americans (Anglo-''Saxons'') talking about "our glorious semi-legendary king Arthur, protector of England".
25th Jan '17 8:16:51 AM DrBB
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* Shakespeare's plays are so ubiquitous and influential that it's inevitable that there's a lot of this, especially since they're in archaic enough English that many people (including the people adapting them for other media) never actually read them, but special mention should go to pretty much all of the romances. For example:

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* Shakespeare's plays are so ubiquitous and influential that it's inevitable that there's a lot of this, especially since they're in archaic enough English that many people (including the people adapting them for other media) never actually read them, but special mention should go to pretty much all of the romances. For example:to:
4th Jan '17 5:19:06 PM wootzits
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** Most people who hate Sol either hate him because he's "stupid" (which he clearly [[ManipulativeBastard isn't]]) or because he's trying to get get the Clans to stop following [=StarClan=]. He does take this too far, but most people seem to be more against the fact that he doesn't like [=StarClan=] than his methods (some also claim that he doesn't believe in [=StarClan=] which, though not a very egregious error, is still incorrect). They make it seem like [=StarClan=] is the most important thing ''ever'', and their word should be followed rigidly, which means that most of them are completely forgetting that [=StarClan=] themselves have been telling us for the ''longest time'' that they do not hold all the answers, and that the cats are essentially masters of their own destinies. They essentially only exist to [[TheWatcher watch]] over them and give out warnings.

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** Most people who hate Sol either hate him because he's "stupid" (which he clearly [[ManipulativeBastard isn't]]) or because he's trying to get get the Clans to stop following [=StarClan=]. He does take this too far, but most people seem to be more against the fact that he doesn't like [=StarClan=] than his methods (some also claim that he doesn't believe in [=StarClan=] which, though not a very egregious error, is still incorrect). They make it seem like [=StarClan=] is the most important thing ''ever'', and their word should be followed rigidly, which means that most of them are completely forgetting that [=StarClan=] themselves have been telling us for the ''longest time'' that they do not hold all the answers, and that the cats are essentially masters of their own destinies. They essentially only exist to [[TheWatcher watch]] over them and give out warnings.
21st Dec '16 1:40:48 PM MrThorfan64
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** Some people insist that [[spoiler:[[NastyParty the Red Wedding]] was justified as it saved lives and brought peace, taking Tywin's "Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner" seriously.]] This discounts the fact that thousands of people were killed at the Red Wedding, and Robb was losing the war partially because one of his commanders, [[TheSociopath Roose Bolton]], deliberately sent thousands of Northmen to their deaths in a UriahGambit, forcing Robb into a losing position.

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** Some people insist that [[spoiler:[[NastyParty the Red Wedding]] was justified as it saved lives and brought peace, peace when Robb was losing the war, taking Tywin's "Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner" seriously.]] This discounts the fact that thousands [[spoiler:thousands of people were killed at the Red Wedding, Wedding]], and Robb was losing the war partially because one of his commanders, [[TheSociopath Roose Bolton]], deliberately sent was overtime sending thousands of Northmen to their deaths in a UriahGambit, forcing Robb into a losing position.position. Also, the later books show that this action doesn't really bring peace, leaving a resentful Riverlands and North who don't truly accept their new rulers and are plotting to restore the Starks and take vengeance for [[spoiler:those murdered.]]
21st Dec '16 1:38:38 PM MrThorfan64
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* Due to the moral ambiguity ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' can face this at times, especially due to the frequent changes from the show.
** Many people, including the showrunners, remain convinced that [[TheEvilPrince Renly ]][[VillainWithGoodPublicity Baratheon]] would have made an ideal King and is a progressive leader who is becoming King because the people love him, the showrunners engaging in an AdaptationalPersonalityChange for Renly and outright claiming he would be a great King. However, Renly frequently shows he has no actual ruling knowledge outside of publicity, acting as a YesMan in council meetings and being utterly incompetent in military affairs. As for being loving, Renly mocks the unattractiveness of his niece Shireen and the kind and loyal Brienne, and is trying to starve King's Landing into submission so he can usurp the throne. His image is helped by the IdealHero Brienne thinking lovingly of him for being nice to her at a dance, even though the books show her treatment meant she was starved for attention and latched onto someone for showing her kindness, while in private Renly sneeringly insulted her and mocked her appearance. And despite people thinking Renly is becoming King because the people want him to, when Catelyn suggests calling a Great Council to decide who should be King, Renly's reaction is to dismiss this and say his rule is based on strength, and his main backers, the Tyrells, are clearly supporting him because he's married to Margaery Tyrell, as shown by them supporting the monstrously evil usurper Joffrey when it is agreed he will marry Margaery. Also, some people act as if Renly's older brother Stannis Baratheon [[spoiler:killing him is a MoralEventHorizon, even though Renly makes it clear he intends to kill Stannis, despite knowing they have more right to the throne then him.]]
** Some people insist that [[spoiler:[[NastyParty the Red Wedding]] was justified as it saved lives and brought peace, taking Tywin's "Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner" seriously.]] This discounts the fact that thousands of people were killed at the Red Wedding, and Robb was losing the war partially because one of his commanders, [[TheSociopath Roose Bolton]], deliberately sent thousands of Northmen to their deaths in a UriahGambit, forcing Robb into a losing position.
18th Dec '16 7:15:59 PM Chyre
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** Another example of the work's misaimed fandom is its popularity among homophobic Men's Rights Activists; author Creator/ChuckPalahniuk is gay, though admittedly, he kept it under wraps until several years after ''Fight Club'' became popular. In any case, the old-school uber-macho "let's reinforce our masculinity by beating the crap out of each other" mindset that these groups tend to latch on to is clearly shown to be a toxic and destructive thing.
16th Nov '16 9:58:49 PM NOYB
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** Most people who hate Sol either hate him because he's "stupid" (which he clearly [[ManipulativeBastard isn't]]) or because he's trying to get get the Clans to stop following [=StarClan=]. He does take this too far, but most people seem to be more against the fact that he doesn't like [=StarClan=] than his methods (Some also claim that he doesn't believe in [=StarClan=] which, though not a very egregious error, is still incorrect). They make it seem like [=StarClan=] is the most important thing ''ever'', and their word should be followed rigidly, which means that most of them are completely forgetting that [=StarClan=] themselves have been telling us for the ''longest time'' that they do not hold all the answers, and that the cats are essentially masters of their own destinies. They essentially only exist to [[TheWatcher watch]] over them and give out warnings.

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** Most people who hate Sol either hate him because he's "stupid" (which he clearly [[ManipulativeBastard isn't]]) or because he's trying to get get the Clans to stop following [=StarClan=]. He does take this too far, but most people seem to be more against the fact that he doesn't like [=StarClan=] than his methods (Some (some also claim that he doesn't believe in [=StarClan=] which, though not a very egregious error, is still incorrect). They make it seem like [=StarClan=] is the most important thing ''ever'', and their word should be followed rigidly, which means that most of them are completely forgetting that [=StarClan=] themselves have been telling us for the ''longest time'' that they do not hold all the answers, and that the cats are essentially masters of their own destinies. They essentially only exist to [[TheWatcher watch]] over them and give out warnings.
16th Nov '16 9:07:08 PM NOYB
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** If the sexual overtones weren't intentional in Dracula, it would be almost literally the sole example of Victorian horror literature that didn't. The man was never taken for anything but human, described as a consummate noble (also a literal noble, being landed gentry) with a commanding presence, and his most frequently-used power made him more personally compelling. Much of the book was written through the perspective of a woman partially under his spell, and it was made pretty explicit that he was very seductive.

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** If the sexual overtones weren't intentional in Dracula, it would be almost literally the sole example of Victorian horror literature that didn't. The man was never taken for anything but human, described as a consummate noble (also a literal noble, being landed gentry) with a commanding presence, and his most frequently-used power made him more personally compelling. Much of the book was written through the perspective of a woman partially under his spell, and it was made pretty explicit that he was very seductive.seductive despite not being traditionally attractive.
11th Nov '16 4:10:16 PM Berrenta
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* Lisbeth Salander from ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' is viewed by many feminists [[GirlsNeedRoleModels as a role model]] because she goes out of her way to beat up misogynistic pigs.... ignoring the fact that it is made ''explicitly'' clear that not only is Lisbeth [[AntiHero a violent person, who repeatedly goes above the law to achieve her own ends]], she's not portrayed as a feminist in the books, as she is supposed to be a stand in for '''anyone''', who has been subjected to violence and being taken advantage of, men included. She also doesn't fit into any kind of social classification, including feminism, which was another point of her character.

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* Lisbeth Salander from ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' is viewed by many feminists [[GirlsNeedRoleModels as a role model]] model because she goes out of her way to beat up misogynistic pigs.... ignoring the fact that it is made ''explicitly'' clear that not only is Lisbeth [[AntiHero a violent person, who repeatedly goes above the law to achieve her own ends]], she's not portrayed as a feminist in the books, as she is supposed to be a stand in for '''anyone''', who has been subjected to violence and being taken advantage of, men included. She also doesn't fit into any kind of social classification, including feminism, which was another point of her character.
25th Oct '16 4:58:48 AM Furienna
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* "The White Man's Burden" by Creator/RudyardKipling is a case of MisaimedFandom ''and'' Misaimed Hatedom. This point-missing is aggravated by the prints forgetting its "dedication" line. That's like forgetting to supply dynamite with a detonator, because this was "An Address to the United States" published on the heels of the Philippine War. If you don't see the trouble yet, read Creator/MarkTwain's articles about it. Or imagine that [[Literature/CatchTwentyTwo Joseph Heller]] with his reputation lived to 2006, and dropped in a big conference with "{{DRM}} and laws" in the middle of its order paper... to read his new poem with "Sony Rootkit" in the dedication and "I think Microsoft is pretty cool" in the text. Some could take it seriously, more as vicious irony, some like, some not -- but ''no'' chance this would ''not'' [[FlameBait provoke an untold riot then and there]]. The author of ''Stalky'' and ''Pig'' should have know what he did was {{troll}}eriffic. But [[SerialEscalation just in case it wasn't enough]], he also did publically "bequeath" UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire's role to the people looking for contrasts with it and still remembering UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution.

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* "The White Man's Burden" by Creator/RudyardKipling is a case of MisaimedFandom ''and'' Misaimed Hatedom. This point-missing is aggravated by the prints forgetting its "dedication" line. That's like forgetting to supply dynamite with a detonator, because this was "An Address to the United States" published on the heels of the Philippine War. If you don't see the trouble yet, read Creator/MarkTwain's articles about it. Or imagine that [[Literature/CatchTwentyTwo Joseph Heller]] with his reputation lived to 2006, and dropped in a big conference with "{{DRM}} and laws" in the middle of its order paper... to read his new poem with "Sony Rootkit" in the dedication and "I think Microsoft is pretty cool" in the text. Some could take it seriously, more as vicious irony, some like, some not -- but ''no'' chance this would ''not'' [[FlameBait provoke an untold riot then and there]]. The author of ''Stalky'' and ''Pig'' should have know known what he did was {{troll}}eriffic. But [[SerialEscalation just in case it wasn't enough]], he also did publically "bequeath" UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire's role to the people looking for contrasts with it and still remembering UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution.



* Belgian author Hendrik Conscience's novel "The Lion of Flanders" glorifies the Battle of the Golden Spurs (1302) where Flemish peasants defeated a French royal army. The book is extremely popular with Flemish nationalists who see it as a justification of their goal for Flemish independence. In reality Conscience wrote the book to promote Belgian nationalism. Up to the 19th century the Battle of the Golden Spurs was mostly forgotten in national history. After Belgium became independent in 1830 Conscience rediscovered this unique historical event in which Flemish peasants actually won a battle against a much more powerful army and wrote a very romanticized novel about it full of LargeHam and scenes that are not always historically accurate. The battle itself wasn't even a national war between the Flemish and the French, as some Flemish nationalists have tried to imply. Back in 1302 Flanders was a county, not a nation, and consisted of only two provinces of what is now the region Flanders. Also after winning this battle out of dumb luck (the French army got stuck in the mud and swamps) the Flemish were conquered and forced into submission again soon after. Despite all that Conscience is still hailed as an icon of Flemish nationalism and even voted into a 10th place during the Flemish version of the "Greatest Belgian" contest.

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* Belgian author Hendrik Conscience's novel "The Lion of Flanders" glorifies the Battle of the Golden Spurs (1302) (1302), where a group of Flemish peasants defeated a French royal army. The book is extremely popular with Flemish nationalists nationalists, who see it as a justification of their goal for Flemish independence. In reality reality, Conscience wrote had written the book to promote Belgian nationalism. Up to Until the 19th century Century, the Battle of the Golden Spurs was mostly forgotten in national history. After But after Belgium became independent in 1830 1830, Conscience rediscovered this unique historical event event, in which a group of Flemish peasants actually won a battle against a much more powerful army army, and wrote a very romanticized novel about it full of LargeHam and scenes that are not always historically accurate. The battle itself wasn't even a national war between the Flemish and the French, as some a few Flemish nationalists have tried to imply. Back in 1302 1302, Flanders was just a county, not a nation, and consisted county consisting of only two provinces of what is now the region Flanders. Flanders, and not a whole nation. Also after winning this battle out of dumb luck (the French army got stuck in the mud and swamps) swamps), the Flemish were conquered and forced into submission again soon after. Despite all that that, Conscience is still hailed as an icon of Flemish nationalism and even voted into a 10th place during the Flemish version of the "Greatest Belgian" contest.
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