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16th Nov '16 9:58:49 PM NOYB
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** Most people who hate Sol either hate him because he's "stupid" (which he clearly [[ManipulativeBastard isn't]]) or because he's trying to get get the Clans to stop following [=StarClan=]. He does take this too far, but most people seem to be more against the fact that he doesn't like [=StarClan=] than his methods (Some also claim that he doesn't believe in [=StarClan=] which, though not a very egregious error, is still incorrect). They make it seem like [=StarClan=] is the most important thing ''ever'', and their word should be followed rigidly, which means that most of them are completely forgetting that [=StarClan=] themselves have been telling us for the ''longest time'' that they do not hold all the answers, and that the cats are essentially masters of their own destinies. They essentially only exist to [[TheWatcher watch]] over them and give out warnings.

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** Most people who hate Sol either hate him because he's "stupid" (which he clearly [[ManipulativeBastard isn't]]) or because he's trying to get get the Clans to stop following [=StarClan=]. He does take this too far, but most people seem to be more against the fact that he doesn't like [=StarClan=] than his methods (Some (some also claim that he doesn't believe in [=StarClan=] which, though not a very egregious error, is still incorrect). They make it seem like [=StarClan=] is the most important thing ''ever'', and their word should be followed rigidly, which means that most of them are completely forgetting that [=StarClan=] themselves have been telling us for the ''longest time'' that they do not hold all the answers, and that the cats are essentially masters of their own destinies. They essentially only exist to [[TheWatcher watch]] over them and give out warnings.
16th Nov '16 9:07:08 PM NOYB
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** If the sexual overtones weren't intentional in Dracula, it would be almost literally the sole example of Victorian horror literature that didn't. The man was never taken for anything but human, described as a consummate noble (also a literal noble, being landed gentry) with a commanding presence, and his most frequently-used power made him more personally compelling. Much of the book was written through the perspective of a woman partially under his spell, and it was made pretty explicit that he was very seductive.

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** If the sexual overtones weren't intentional in Dracula, it would be almost literally the sole example of Victorian horror literature that didn't. The man was never taken for anything but human, described as a consummate noble (also a literal noble, being landed gentry) with a commanding presence, and his most frequently-used power made him more personally compelling. Much of the book was written through the perspective of a woman partially under his spell, and it was made pretty explicit that he was very seductive.seductive despite not being traditionally attractive.
11th Nov '16 4:10:16 PM Berrenta
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* Lisbeth Salander from ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' is viewed by many feminists [[GirlsNeedRoleModels as a role model]] because she goes out of her way to beat up misogynistic pigs.... ignoring the fact that it is made ''explicitly'' clear that not only is Lisbeth [[AntiHero a violent person, who repeatedly goes above the law to achieve her own ends]], she's not portrayed as a feminist in the books, as she is supposed to be a stand in for '''anyone''', who has been subjected to violence and being taken advantage of, men included. She also doesn't fit into any kind of social classification, including feminism, which was another point of her character.

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* Lisbeth Salander from ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' is viewed by many feminists [[GirlsNeedRoleModels as a role model]] model because she goes out of her way to beat up misogynistic pigs.... ignoring the fact that it is made ''explicitly'' clear that not only is Lisbeth [[AntiHero a violent person, who repeatedly goes above the law to achieve her own ends]], she's not portrayed as a feminist in the books, as she is supposed to be a stand in for '''anyone''', who has been subjected to violence and being taken advantage of, men included. She also doesn't fit into any kind of social classification, including feminism, which was another point of her character.
25th Oct '16 4:58:48 AM Furienna
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* "The White Man's Burden" by Creator/RudyardKipling is a case of MisaimedFandom ''and'' Misaimed Hatedom. This point-missing is aggravated by the prints forgetting its "dedication" line. That's like forgetting to supply dynamite with a detonator, because this was "An Address to the United States" published on the heels of the Philippine War. If you don't see the trouble yet, read Creator/MarkTwain's articles about it. Or imagine that [[Literature/CatchTwentyTwo Joseph Heller]] with his reputation lived to 2006, and dropped in a big conference with "{{DRM}} and laws" in the middle of its order paper... to read his new poem with "Sony Rootkit" in the dedication and "I think Microsoft is pretty cool" in the text. Some could take it seriously, more as vicious irony, some like, some not -- but ''no'' chance this would ''not'' [[FlameBait provoke an untold riot then and there]]. The author of ''Stalky'' and ''Pig'' should have know what he did was {{troll}}eriffic. But [[SerialEscalation just in case it wasn't enough]], he also did publically "bequeath" UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire's role to the people looking for contrasts with it and still remembering UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution.

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* "The White Man's Burden" by Creator/RudyardKipling is a case of MisaimedFandom ''and'' Misaimed Hatedom. This point-missing is aggravated by the prints forgetting its "dedication" line. That's like forgetting to supply dynamite with a detonator, because this was "An Address to the United States" published on the heels of the Philippine War. If you don't see the trouble yet, read Creator/MarkTwain's articles about it. Or imagine that [[Literature/CatchTwentyTwo Joseph Heller]] with his reputation lived to 2006, and dropped in a big conference with "{{DRM}} and laws" in the middle of its order paper... to read his new poem with "Sony Rootkit" in the dedication and "I think Microsoft is pretty cool" in the text. Some could take it seriously, more as vicious irony, some like, some not -- but ''no'' chance this would ''not'' [[FlameBait provoke an untold riot then and there]]. The author of ''Stalky'' and ''Pig'' should have know known what he did was {{troll}}eriffic. But [[SerialEscalation just in case it wasn't enough]], he also did publically "bequeath" UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire's role to the people looking for contrasts with it and still remembering UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution.



* Belgian author Hendrik Conscience's novel "The Lion of Flanders" glorifies the Battle of the Golden Spurs (1302) where Flemish peasants defeated a French royal army. The book is extremely popular with Flemish nationalists who see it as a justification of their goal for Flemish independence. In reality Conscience wrote the book to promote Belgian nationalism. Up to the 19th century the Battle of the Golden Spurs was mostly forgotten in national history. After Belgium became independent in 1830 Conscience rediscovered this unique historical event in which Flemish peasants actually won a battle against a much more powerful army and wrote a very romanticized novel about it full of LargeHam and scenes that are not always historically accurate. The battle itself wasn't even a national war between the Flemish and the French, as some Flemish nationalists have tried to imply. Back in 1302 Flanders was a county, not a nation, and consisted of only two provinces of what is now the region Flanders. Also after winning this battle out of dumb luck (the French army got stuck in the mud and swamps) the Flemish were conquered and forced into submission again soon after. Despite all that Conscience is still hailed as an icon of Flemish nationalism and even voted into a 10th place during the Flemish version of the "Greatest Belgian" contest.

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* Belgian author Hendrik Conscience's novel "The Lion of Flanders" glorifies the Battle of the Golden Spurs (1302) (1302), where a group of Flemish peasants defeated a French royal army. The book is extremely popular with Flemish nationalists nationalists, who see it as a justification of their goal for Flemish independence. In reality reality, Conscience wrote had written the book to promote Belgian nationalism. Up to Until the 19th century Century, the Battle of the Golden Spurs was mostly forgotten in national history. After But after Belgium became independent in 1830 1830, Conscience rediscovered this unique historical event event, in which a group of Flemish peasants actually won a battle against a much more powerful army army, and wrote a very romanticized novel about it full of LargeHam and scenes that are not always historically accurate. The battle itself wasn't even a national war between the Flemish and the French, as some a few Flemish nationalists have tried to imply. Back in 1302 1302, Flanders was just a county, not a nation, and consisted county consisting of only two provinces of what is now the region Flanders. Flanders, and not a whole nation. Also after winning this battle out of dumb luck (the French army got stuck in the mud and swamps) swamps), the Flemish were conquered and forced into submission again soon after. Despite all that that, Conscience is still hailed as an icon of Flemish nationalism and even voted into a 10th place during the Flemish version of the "Greatest Belgian" contest.
25th Oct '16 4:45:34 AM Furienna
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** TheTamingOfTheShrew likewise has its share of fans that interpret Petruchio and Kate's relationship as the match that was 'meant to be together', where most of the play is dedicated to hammering in the lesson that the Petruchio/Katerina pairing functions because they're working at the relationship and changing themselves, while Bianca's fails because she's relying on the idea of fate and true love and not actually trying.
* ''Literature/TessOfTheDUrbervilles'': There are some people out there who think that Tess should have ended up with Alec, only because he wants her as a mistress after Angel leaves her. Disregarding the RapeIsLove vibe from this pairing, it is completely out of character for Tess, who never liked him romantically before, and despises him when she is his mistress, only taking the position to support her family.

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** TheTamingOfTheShrew likewise has its share of fans that interpret Petruchio and Kate's relationship as the match match, that was 'meant to be together', where most of the play is dedicated to hammering in the lesson that the Petruchio/Katerina pairing functions because they're working at the relationship and changing themselves, while Bianca's fails because she's relying on the idea of fate and true love and not actually trying.
* ''Literature/TessOfTheDUrbervilles'': There are some people out there who think that Tess should have ended up with Alec, only because he wants her as a mistress after Angel leaves her. Disregarding the RapeIsLove "rape is love" vibe from this pairing, it is completely out of character for Tess, who never liked him romantically before, and despises him when she is his mistress, only taking the position to support her family.
25th Oct '16 4:30:00 AM Furienna
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* ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'': Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy from are often cited as the quintessential BelligerentSexualTension couple -- passionate dislike is just a mask for passionate love. But Elizabeth herself tells her first suitor Mr. Collins (whom she legitimately cannot stand) that [[TakeThat this is a ridiculous notion]] and sometimes, No means '''No'''; not every girl who claims to dislike a man is in denial (otherwise, she may just as well have feelings for Mr. Collins!). A paragraph comparing Elizabeth's changing feelings for Wickham and Darcy clearly shows that the initial conflict between the OfficialCouple was just supposed to show how feelings can evolve in the real world as opposed to the FairyTale LoveAtFirstSight. Dislike ''can'' evolve into love; nowhere does anyone imply dislike automatically equals love... except Mr. Collins.

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* ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'': Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy from are often cited as the quintessential BelligerentSexualTension couple -- passionate dislike is just a mask for passionate love. But Elizabeth herself tells her first suitor Mr. Collins (whom she legitimately cannot stand) that [[TakeThat this is a ridiculous notion]] and sometimes, No means '''No'''; not every girl who claims to dislike a man is in denial (otherwise, she may just as well have feelings for Mr. Collins!). A paragraph comparing Elizabeth's changing feelings for Wickham and Darcy clearly shows that the initial conflict between the OfficialCouple was just supposed to show how feelings can evolve in the real world as opposed to the FairyTale LoveAtFirstSight. Dislike ''can'' evolve into love; nowhere does anyone imply dislike automatically equals love... except Mr. Collins.
25th Oct '16 4:26:33 AM Furienna
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* ''Literature/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'': Partially because of the [[AdaptationDisplacement greater popularity and fame]] of the [[TheMovie film adaptation]], which boiled down the story into being a battle exclusively between Randle [=McMurphy=] and Nurse Ratched, a number of people argued about Ratched and [=McMurphy=] as characters. Kesey even [[WordOfGod pointed out]] that having a hatedom for [[BattleaxeNurse Ratched]] herself (and debating a possible backstory to round out the character) was pointless. She is just supposed to be representative of the kind of repressive, conformist society bent on "fixing" people that would create a person like her in the first place and put her in a position of power.

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* ''Literature/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'': Partially because of the [[AdaptationDisplacement greater popularity and fame]] of the [[TheMovie film adaptation]], which boiled down the story into being a battle exclusively between Randle [=McMurphy=] and Nurse Ratched, a number of people argued about Ratched and [=McMurphy=] as characters. Kesey even [[WordOfGod pointed out]] that having a hatedom for [[BattleaxeNurse Ratched]] herself (and debating a possible backstory to round out the character) was pointless. She is just supposed to be representative of the kind of repressive, conformist society bent on "fixing" people people, that would create a person like her in the first place and put her in a position of power.
25th Oct '16 4:15:27 AM Furienna
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* ''[[Literature/NineteenEightyFour 1984]]'': A lot of people who are politically on the right cite Creator/GeorgeOrwell's classic as an argument against leftist social programs that are creating what they perceive as a "nanny state". This is ignoring that George Orwell was an outspoken democratic socialist, and that ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' was written to criticize totalitarianism (specifically Stalinism) and trends toward it among ''certain segments'' of the left - not liberalism in general, which Orwell viewed as not leftist enough. Orwell may have agreed with them to an extent on politically correct language, though, since he was a strong proponent of clarity of speech. [[WordOfGod Orwell himself]] directly refuted claims that he was entirely anti-socialist in his own writings.

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* ''[[Literature/NineteenEightyFour 1984]]'': A lot of Many people who are politically on the right cite Creator/GeorgeOrwell's classic as an argument against leftist social programs that are creating what programs, which they perceive would see as the creation of a "nanny state". This is ignoring ignores that George Orwell was an outspoken democratic socialist, and that ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' was written to criticize totalitarianism (specifically Stalinism) and trends toward it among ''certain segments'' of the left - not liberalism in general, which Orwell viewed as not leftist enough. Orwell may have agreed with them to an extent on politically correct language, language though, since he was a strong proponent of clarity of speech. [[WordOfGod Orwell himself]] directly refuted claims that he was entirely anti-socialist in his own writings.
25th Oct '16 3:53:32 AM Furienna
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* Lisbeth Salander from ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' is viewed by many feminists [[GirlsNeedRoleModels as a role model]] because she goes out of her way to beat up misogynistic pigs.... ignoring the fact that it is made ''explicitly'' clear that not only is Lisbeth [[AntiHero a violent person who repeatedly goes above the law to achieve her own ends]], she's not portrayed as a feminist in the books, as she is supposed to be a stand in for '''anyone''' who are subjected to violence and being taken advantage of, men included. She also doesn't fit into any kind of social classification, including feminism, which was another point of her character.

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* Lisbeth Salander from ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' is viewed by many feminists [[GirlsNeedRoleModels as a role model]] because she goes out of her way to beat up misogynistic pigs.... ignoring the fact that it is made ''explicitly'' clear that not only is Lisbeth [[AntiHero a violent person person, who repeatedly goes above the law to achieve her own ends]], she's not portrayed as a feminist in the books, as she is supposed to be a stand in for '''anyone''' '''anyone''', who are has been subjected to violence and being taken advantage of, men included. She also doesn't fit into any kind of social classification, including feminism, which was another point of her character.
25th Oct '16 3:47:01 AM Furienna
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** Joan Aiken's sequel ''Return to Mansfield'' even brings back the Crawfords and gives them a more sympathetic development

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** Joan Aiken's sequel ''Return to Mansfield'' even brings back the Crawfords and gives them a more sympathetic developmentdevelopment.
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