History Headscratchers / ThorTheDarkWorld

* Okay, so Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy showed us that even touching an Infinity Stone can literally rip someone to shreds and that a group of people all sharing its energy can only hold it for a little before they are consumed. If this is so, then how the ever loving ''heck'' can Jane get away with having the Aether running in her veins for days with only dark eyes and occasional fainting spells? Is the Aether not as strong as Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy's Infinity Stone? Is Jane stronger than she looks?

* There is now a large and presumably very durable ice troll running around London. Specifically it is chasing pigeons around the warehouses that we earlier saw a bunch of [[AdultFear precocious vagrant children hanging out in.]]

** It's also possible that the events of the film happen around the same time as ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' -- during which Shield has very important matters going on. As it's in the process of [[spoiler:being infiltrated by HYDRA and later disbanded by Cap]] it makes sense they wouldn't have time to take Darcy's calls.

* Did Odin's subtle glee when he said "[my father] killed them all" seem a little bit on the sociopath side? This is the guy who was totally against using the Bifrost like a Death Star on the Jotuns but he seemingly has no problems with the genocide of the Dark Elves? Even before they [[spoiler:give him specific reason to by murdering his wife?]]

** The Asgardians weren't outmatched. They were just caught by surprise. In the opening the Asgardians are the ones on the offensive and are mostly handing the Dark Elves their pale posteriors. Even [[spoiler:old timey Kurse]] gets brought down, even temporarily, by just four guys who happen to know what to watch out for. The Asgardians are normally more than a match for the Dark Elves but here they were just plain unprepared. Even the best army can lose a fight if they get sucker punched in the middle of their barracks. The stealth technology on Malekith's ships also probably wasn't standard hardware.

** Or here's a reason more in line with Loki's scheming. He wanted Jane to survive so Thor would go back to Earth with her and spend time there, and not be hanging around Asgard [[spoiler:and noticing Loki switched with Odin.]]

* While Loki [[spoiler:is dying]], he repeatedly says "I'm sorry" to Thor. What is he sorry for? Considering that [[spoiler:the death was all just an act]] it's tempting to chalk it up to just another empty lie to gain Thor's sympathy, but I have a hard time seeing why it would even be worth it to stay in good favor with Thor at this point considering that Loki could [[spoiler:usurp the throne]] with or without Thor's love. Was it a preemptive apology for [[spoiler:taking the throne]]? Or for the events of ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''? Or was it because Loki [[spoiler:blames himself for Frigga's death]]?

** "Sorry for everything I've done to be a shit over the course of my life", probably. [[spoiler:For what it's worth, I kept expecting the mood to turn on a dime and for him to beg Thor's pardon, what he ''meant'' was, ''Thor's'' a fool, but it didn't happen, obviously.]]
** If Loki didn't know he [[spoiler:was going to survive]] it might have just been a "sorry I was stupid enough to go and [[spoiler:get myself killed]]". Or all of the above...
** Or he was hedging his bets, just in case [[spoiler:Odin saw through his scheme when he came back to report his own death disguised as the guard. Had his illusion been penetrated, he could've claimed that he'd honestly ''wanted'' to make amends, but just couldn't believe Thor or Odin would ever forgive him. So (he'd argue) he faked his death to test them both, seeing whether a HeroicSacrifice and/or a "dying" declaration of remorse would earn back their respect and affection]].

* Okay, so Loki was planning to [[spoiler:fake his own death]], which is all in line with his character. That being said, [[spoiler:how did he know that Kurse would impale him with the spear? And for that matter, how did he even ''survive'' that? There's no way he could have calculated that spear would have hit him in a non-fatal area, and Thor's reaction to it indicates that this would be a pretty lethal injury for an Asgardian.]]
** He probably guessed that Kurse would [[spoiler:impale him]] because well... it's an obvious villainous thing to do and Loki is a villain so he knows how villains act. As for [[spoiler:how he survived... Maybe he had a supercharged healing stone on his person or something?]]
** More than likely, everything other than [[spoiler:him actually stabbing Kurse]] was an illusion. He probably [[spoiler:dodged the stabbing entirely and simply made it look as if he'd been stabbed, and then illusioned that he had died. No need to be healed if he was never hurt.]]
** Perhaps the illusion was as simple as the sword [[spoiler:that impales Loki]] is much much shorter, i.e. a dagger. Loki needed to distract Kurse [[spoiler:until the grenade went off]], Kruse isn’t shown to react to pain so might ignore something as small as a dagger, but a sword requires pulling out before carrying on fighting. Loki might not have foreseen the Kruse [[spoiler: rying to stab him before removing the sword/dagger, but used the opportunity to fake his death anyway as the dagger didn’t reach to stab Loki (or just stabbed him a little bit, non fatally).]]

** On a second note, from the same scene, note that Fandral suffers impalement in about the same place as Loki does. Fandral survives, conscious, much longer than it takes for [[spoiler:Loki to appear to die]]. Frankly, comic continuity/canon is about as applicable here as Myth/NorseMythology -- as in, at the writers' discretion, and can be directly contradicted.

** Perhaps Loki [[spoiler:actually did die on Svartalfheim, but he knew he could be resurrected]]. Loki did tell Kurse, "See you in Hel, monster!" (and I'm quite certain he wasn't referring to the Christian hell). I don't know if she exists in the movieverse, but Hel is Loki's daughter in Norse mythology, so it's possible that [[spoiler:he made a deal with her so that he could live again. Maybe Hel asked for Odin's soul in exchange, or she knew it would be in her best interest to help Loki to get on the Asgardian throne]], as her father would be in a position to obtain something that she desires.

* There is now a [[spoiler:large and presumably very durable ice troll running around London.]] Specifically it is chasing pigeons around the warehouses that we earlier saw a bunch of [[AdultFear precocious vagrant children hanging out in.]]

* Odin remarks to Thor on how he once said that there would never be a wiser king than him. This is referring back to the exchange between them at the end of the first movie. Problem is, [[spoiler:Odin is really Loki, who wasn't around to hear that]]. So how did he know Thor had said that?

** This sadly I think has more to do with different writers and directors than the first ''Thor'' film. In the first film, Odin was TheGoodKing and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure. For some reason a lot of people noticed he became a major jerk. It may be due to his life's work falling apart, the treachery of his son, and finally the loss of his wife. All of that plus the stress of knowing he is still expected to rule for years to come would take its toll on a guy. At the same time, I don't think this changes views on the Dark Elves. WorldOfGod does not matter in this case because there is no proof of that in the film or that Asgardians use that type of weapon. There are also the facts of Malekith dropping his own fleet on his own people and trying to destroy the entire universe.

TDW

Entries ordered by their appearance in the movies.

* Getting a little meta with this one: why were Malekith and Kurse chosen as the villains for this movie? Is it because they debuted in Walt Simonson's run? Because whilst I understand that using Loki as the sole villain (and I use that term lightly, as he spends most of this movie locked up or helping Thor) would be harder to pull off, there are surely much better Thor villains to use - Enchantress and Executioner come to mind.
** I guess that's because - as I understand - Malekith is associated with Aether, and Aether is one of the Infinity Stones. Therefore, Infinity Stones and Gauntlet are introduced, as well as Guardians Of The Galaxy (Stinger!). That's one. The other thing is that by introducing Thanos in Avengers and Infinity Stones here, creators of MCU built the basis for Grand Finale of Avengers, as Thanos wants Gauntlet, we know Gauntlet is in Asgard, and to run Gauntlet, you need Infinity Stones. Loki, imposting Odin, has access to both Tesseract (first IS) and Gauntlet, and thanks to Malekith, we have second IS - Aether!

** I think its because Malekith was the only Thor villain that really worked. In the comics he is almost a poor man's Loki. He is a sorcerer and a schemer who either wants to rule or destroy everything. Most of Thor's foes focus more on muscles than brains so unless you change a lot they do not work. Amora never had the ambitions or resources for something like this. Surtur is the biggest Thor villain so it would be a waste for a throwaway villain that has not been built up. Hela raises questions about the whole "land of the dead" that risked getting complicated so it was best to ignore. Seth or Ares would require bringing in another pantheon which again complicates things. Malekith was the only Thor villain with the resources to be a threat to Asgard yet still somewhat throwaway. Either that or another ice giant. The whole Aether and connection to the Infinity gems were made up for the films.

[[folder: Where did the Bifrost come from?!]]

** They had the Tesseract after ''The Avengers''. As this film shows, a single Infinity Gem can destroy the entire universe if used at the right time--rebuilding the Bifrost wouldn't have been difficult. It would have been nice to have a line or two explaining it, though.

[[folder: Witness protection program]]

** It's also possible that the events of the film happen around the same time as ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' - during which Shield has very important matters going on. As it's in the process of [[spoiler: being infiltrated by HYDRA and later disbanded by Cap]] it makes sense they wouldn't have time to take Darcy's calls.

* So uh...what happened to him? Was the character cut out of the movie, or something?
** For that matter, does Odin even have other sons? In Thor Loki got to the throne as soon as Odin went into Odinsleep, and here he acted (it was Loki, yes, but still) as if there was no other heir to the throne after Thor rejected it.
** Not every Asgardian has shown up yet. Balder, Amora, Skunge, etc. And not every Asgardian has the same relationship as in Norse Mythology either. Or even the comics, where Freya is married to Odin instead of Frigga, for example.

** I suspect that his role was eventually supplanted by Bor. Its even possible that the rumors of Tyr were based on a mishearing of Bor's role.

* Did Odin's subtle glee when he said "[my father] killed them all" seem a little bit on the sociopath side? This is the guy who was totally against using the Bifrost like a Death Star on the Jotuns but he seemingly has no problems with the genocide of the dark elves? Even before they [[spoiler: give him specific reason to by murdering his wife?]]
** I took it as more of a hint that the Dark Elves were just so much worse than the Jotuns. The frost giants were just trying to conquer earth; the Dark Elves were trying to destroy all of existence.

** This sadly I think has more to do with different writers and directors than the first Thor film. In the first film, Odin was TheGoodKing and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure. For some reason a lot of people noticed he became a major jerk. It may be due to his life's work falling apart, the treachery of his son, and finally the loss of his wife. All of that plus the stress of knowing he is still expected to rule for years to come would take its toll on a guy. At the same time, I don't think this changes views on the Dark Elves. WorldOfGod does not matter in this case because there is no proof of that in the film or that Asgardians use that type of weapon. There are also the facts of Malekith dropping his own fleet on his own people and trying to destroy the entire universe.
** It was set from the first film Odin could be a major Jerk, with deciding the best way to deal with family issues is banishing his son from the world(And no, just because it helped Thor's CharacterDevelopment, it isn't a "good, sensible action", and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, just look at SHIELD). Saying that WordOfGod doesn't matter is completely nonsense; Creator/ChristopherEccleston stated in that [[ExecutiveMeddling lots of backstory and expositions got cut from the movie]], but that doesn't make them non-canon. We're also being told the story from Odin's perspective (That is, what his father told him), which might be just as accurate as [[ConsummateLiar Loki]] telling the truth about anything. Read the last entry below on Malekith killing his own people.

[[folder: I now take from you your power]]

** There's two other possibilities: One, that Odin could only take Thor's power because he was related by blood to Thor; or two, Odin could take Thor's power because Thor was an Asgardian. Remember that Loki is adopted, and a jotun.
** Keep in mind much of Thor's power comes from Mjolnir. It's possible that granting it to Thor tied his power to it. Loki by contrast learned his magical talent through lessons from Frigga. It's his, and probably can't be easily taken away. Loki did have additional power granted to him from magical weapons, like Gungnir and the staff Thanos gave him, which made him formidable enough to stand a chance against Thor but that was taken from him when he lost those weapons. That's probably the limit to how much he could be depowered. Plus Loki does seem otherwise powerless besides his illusions until Thor gives him his knives back. Also...Odin's kind of arrogant. He probably figured Loki lacked the physical power to escape on his own, and just told the guards to ignore anything Loki said or did in his cell no matter how strange because it was probably an illusion. Thor by contrast he just wanted to learn a lesson, hence he depowered him until he could learn to be responsible with it.

*** Well... maybe he should have.[[/folder]]

** The talks they had seems to make it clear its Frigga, because of how she gets an emotional reaction out of Loki by asking if she's not his mother.

** Thor tells Loki "you got her tricks" later on - it can be assumed that she taught him how to perform illusions.

[[folder: Swords and Shields]]

** Also, I suspect the answer is yes, most ranged weapons are relatively ineffective against Asgardians, between their natural durability and armor. Certainly human firearms were useless even on Loki, let alone Thor, and Chitauri energy weapons, even the heavier ones, weren't all that effective on Iron Man, let alone the more durable Thor. Against the typical space opera energy blasters, Asgardian doctrine is probably "block/parry the heavy artillery, ignore the small arms, close to melee and slice up everyone with superior strength." Its just that the Dark Elves are a people who use black holes as hand grenades; their energy rifles are probably of proportionate advancement. We never got the opportunity to see a benchmark, but I wouldn't be shocked if one hit from them would slag an Iron Man armor.

[[folder: Why was Asgard so ineffectual against the Dark Elves?]]

** But it isn't a known enemy. The time of Borr was a very long time ago, even by Asgardian standards, so the current Asgardian army have never fought against them. So why would they still practice and remember tactics against an enemy that, for them, is likely to never reappear?

** The Asgardians weren't outmatched. They were just caught by surprise. In the opening the Asgardians are the ones on the offensive and are mostly handing the Dark Elves their pale posteriors. Even [[spoiler: old timey Kurse]] gets brought down, even temporarily, by just four guys who happen to know what to watch out for. The Asgardians are normally more than a match for the Dark Elves but here they were just plain unprepared. Even the best army can lose a fight if they get sucker punched in the middle of their barracks. The stealth technology on Malekith's ships also probably wasn't standard hardware.

** In an episode of Series/AgentsofSHIELD Asgardians used to have Berserkers in the old days. It is unknown if they still use them in the modern day. Warriors with a Berserker staff get so angry with rage that they have the equivalent strength of twenty men. Elliot Randolf was a former mason that signed up with the Asgardian army, all he ever wanted was travel. He chose to stay on Earth around the 12th century.

** The Dark Elves weren't exactly at the height of their power in Bor's day, having been poisoned and weakened, but they still managed to fight him off well enough that the war stretched on for a long time as Odin mentioned. What we saw at the beginning of the film was just the decisive final battle, and in he end when Bor looks across the field you can see that quite a lot of his warriors died in the process. As for why the Dark Elves seem to be more effective - you may have noticed that they tend to favor [[SuicideAttack suicidal tactics]], from their shock troops using [[DeadlyUpgrade power ups]] that are [[CastFromLifespan ultimately fatal]] to [[TakingYouWithMe intentionally crashing their ships into their targets]] and even Malekith's own ThanatosGambit to restore darkness on the slim chance that maybe a few of his people would actually be able to survive in the end. An army that's concerned with Not Dying is probably going to be somewhat less effective against an enemy who [[MartyrdomCulture like to sacrifice themselves]] for [[DoNotGoGentle their race or cause as a whole]] and who are [[YourDaysAreNumbered already slowly dying anyways]] or [[TheLastDance will be if their plan doesn't succeed]] and [[ApocalypseHow don't have a home to return to or very much to live for anymore]]. Unfortunately a lot of the scenes that establish the Dark Elves' motives [[ExecutiveMeddling were cut]] from the final version of the film, so we're just left with a bunch of confusingly suicidal elves who appear to want darkness for no apparent reason. But basically, their [[SelfDestructiveCharge desperation]] and [[TheUnfettered willingness to make huge sacrifices to achieve their goals]] is what makes them more dangerous and effective against the Asgardians.

* This is more of a [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] quibble, but what was the point of Jane's gradual dark elf-ification? It's paid close attention when it first starts, appears at several points to remind us of it...and then it completely stops after Malekith takes the Aether out of her. What was the point?

** Probably just a mistaken impression - a result of the movie using 'contamination' that looked a little too similar to its elf make-up. I don't see it myself.

* After the first attack, Heimdall mentioned that the bifrost is closed and he is put on the bench by Odin. Why? The Dark Elves didn't really seem to need the bifrost to get into Asgard. Heimdall sure as heck didn't open the door for their entire ship to get in the first time. And later, after Jane leaves Asgard with Thor and Loki, the Dark Elves didn't need the bifrost to leave Asgard either. It's almost like sealing the bank door and firing the security while ignoring the fact that the robbers are exiting through open windows all around the building. Odin might be better served by letting Heimdall join in surveillance forces to find the Dark Elves the first time they make a mistake.
** Odin knows that to use the Aether as a universe destroying super weapon the realms need to be aligned. This is happening relatively soon and doesn't last very long. He only needs to worry about protecting the Aether until the alignment is over. After that its just your run of the mill doomsday weapon not a Universe destroyer. It makes perfect sense to lock down Asgard and put all his best warriors as the last line of defense, in the palace, until the alignment ends.

** It has been shown that the Asgardians very in strength wildly. You have people like Thor, who defeated the Destroyer in single combat and fought the Hulk to basically a stand still, and Odin who took out an entire room of dark Elves with a wave of Gungir. On the other end of the spectrum you have the guards who were easily mowed down by Dark Elf guns. The only Asgardians shown to be anywhere near Thor and Odin's level are Sif and the Warriors Three all of whom are indisposed. Sending lower tier Asgardians against someone as strong as Aether infused Malekith would just be a distraction for Thor[[/folder]]

[[folder: Uh. Frigga? What are you doing?]]

[[folder: The Direct Solution]]
* Why didn't Thor just Mjolnir Malekith to the face once the aether had been extracted from Jane instead of trying to destroy it, which the animated book pretty much clearly states ''isn't possible''? Given that the aether doesn't do anything without a controlling intelligence and dissipates pretty quickly, as seen in the end of the movie, this should've been the most obvious way to end the Dark Elf threat.

** On the flight out, he was just snarking. If Jane had died, the Aether would have gone haywire (you'll also note Thor wasn't particularly concerned about her collapsing). As for the rest...who knows? It's impossible to tell with him. Maybe he did it to trick Thor into thinking he was getting better, but it was so fast that seems implausible. Or maybe he really did like her, or know that her death would break Thor. He's noticeably more genuinely friendly with his brother in this movie (if it was all an act, he could have just had Thor confined to Asgard at the end, or at the very least not offered him the throne).

** This is just speculation, but. . . the scene on the ship earlier has both Thor and Loki noting that they were doing stuff just like they once did, as brothers together off an adventure. Its possible that Loki got into the spirit of the role more than he perhaps even intended, and for a bit started acting as not the bitter villainous Loki of the present, but the roguish hero Loki of the past. And that Loki was the kind of person who would push a bystander out of the way.
** Why not? because it almost killed him. Loki saved Jane, but had Thor not intervened he would have been sucked into the black hole grenade.

[[folder: What was Loki apologizing for?]]
* While Loki [[spoiler: is dying]], he repeatedly says "I'm sorry" to Thor. What is he sorry for? Considering that [[spoiler: the death was all just an act]] it's tempting to chalk it up to just another empty lie to gain Thor's sympathy, but I have a hard time seeing why it would even be worth it to stay in good favor with Thor at this point considering that Loki could [[spoiler: usurp the throne]] with or without Thor's love. Was it a preemptive apology for [[spoiler: taking the throne]]? Or for the events of ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''? Or was it because Loki [[spoiler: blames himself for Frigga's death]]?
** Probably just a general, "Sorry for just about everything I've done and just being a prick in general for the last couple years." We don't know how exactly he survived, yet--he might himself have not known at the time he was going to live.

** Or he was hedging his bets, just in case [[spoiler: Odin saw through his scheme when he came back to report his own death disguised as the guard. Had his illusion been penetrated, he could've claimed that he'd honestly ''wanted'' to make amends, but just couldn't believe Thor or Odin would ever forgive him. So (he'd argue) he faked his death to test them both, seeing whether a HeroicSacrifice and/or a "dying" declaration of remorse would earn back their respect and affection]].

[[folder:So...impalement was all part of the plan?]]

** He probably guessed that Kurse would [[spoiler: impale him]] because well... its an obvious villainous thing to do and Loki is a villain so he knows how villains act. As for [[spoiler: how he survived... Maybe he had a supercharged healing stone on his person or something?]]
** More than likely, everything other than [[spoiler: him actually stabbing Kurse]] was an illusion. He probably [[spoiler: dodged the stabbing entirely and simply made it look as if he'd been stabbed, and then illusioned that he had died. No need to be healed if he was never hurt.]]
** Perhaps the illusion was as simple as the sword [[spoiler: that impales Loki]] is much much shorter, i.e. a dagger. Loki needed to distract Kurse [[spoiler: until the grenade went off]], Kruse isn’t shown to react to pain so might ignore something as small as a dagger, but a sword requires pulling out before carrying on fighting. Loki might not have foreseen the Kruse [[spoiler: trying to stab him before removing the sword/dagger, but used the opportunity to fake his death anyway as the dagger didn’t reach to stab Loki (or just stabbed him a little bit, non fatally). ]]

** Hell in the comics Loki once got his HEAD cut clean off by Balder, and just nonchalantly put it back on. Remember that Loki is not only a Jotun(thus would have a different physiology than Asgardians or Humans) but he is also a super-powerful sorcerer. He probably knows some spells that would heal him back to life that Thor, being a warrior, doesn't know about. Heck, if you look back at the original Thor movie, you'll notice that when the Jotuns get cut up, they ''don't bleed'' so its possible they don't even have a heart in the first place, or have an entirely different set of organs than humans or Asgardians do.
** Actually, yes, they do bleed. There's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it close-up during the scrap on Jotunheim in the first movie, where Sif stabs a jotun, and there's a spurt of what looks like blue blood when she extracts her sword.
** On a second note, from the same scene, note that Fandral suffers impalement in about the same place as Loki does. Fandral survives, conscious, much longer than it takes for [[spoiler: Loki to appear to die]]. Frankly, comic continuity/canon is about as applicable here as Myth/NorseMythology--as in, at the writers' discretion, and can be directly contradicted.

[[folder: The throne of Asgard]]

** And even if he doesn't, Odin is still (as far as Thor knows) fit to be king. Meanwhile the other realms are, to put it mildly, going to hell in a hand basket after eons of relative peace, with an unknown alien force making a play for Earth, the Dark elves returning after being gone for thousands of years, the Infinity Stones making a sudden reappearance, Earth going into a new age of super powered beings and super science, etc. Thor's talents, as he himself says, are needed elsewhere at the moment and he cannot protect all the realms if he's focused on ruling Asgard.
** Odin is not a FisherKing; any relatively competent As could be placed in what's called a 'regency' until Thor feels up to his responsibilities. Personally, I keep expecting Heimdall to say, "My loyalty to Asgard is absolute, so why don't you crazy people get to a therapist, sort out your goddamn soap opera and come back when you're all less screwed up? I got this."

** In the comics, light kills dark elves.

** Specifically, he is from the previous universe, which was apparently one of darkness. We never get a good look at what precisely that means (Is it ''literally'' no light? Just a different type of matter and energy?), but the point is that he wants to return things to what he sees as the proper order.
** They talked about converting the universe to one of dark matter, so I assume its not simply a matter of no visible light, but the substance and, to some extent, the laws of physics being different.
** There's something about the way the universe currently is, whether it's light or something else, that poisons the Dark Elves. The masks they wear actually contain life support, according to [[AllThereInTheManual The Manual]]. There are [[ApocalypseHow ruins everywhere]] and no signs of life on their world besides the enviro-suit-wearing Dark Elf remnants themselves, and in a scene that didn't make it into the movie it's explicitly mentioned that breathing the air without their masks is painful and eventually fatal. They simply have nothing else left to live for except this slim chance of making their world somewhat habitable again - with wiping out the Asgardians as a side bonus. They just don't seem to care that [[PutThemAllOutOFMyMisery making the universe livable for them will make it unlivable for everyone else]].

* Whenever Loki's crimes in Avengers are brought up it's only mentioned that him bringing the Chitauri to earth led to several humans dying in the attack on New York. and him screwing with Selvig's head. Well how come Thor never brings up Coulson? The other deaths during the battle in the city were as a result of Loki's actions so he's indirectly to blame for that, but Coulson was personally killed by Loki just to be a dick to Thor. Granted Loki probably killed a few guys in Germany and maybe elsewhere so he likely did directly kill some others, but you'd think Thor would specifically point out that Loki personally killed a friend of his right in front of him just to piss him off when he's going on about how he can't trust him. And yes Coulson ended up surviving, but Thor shouldn't know that, as he hasn't been to Earth since Avengers, nor has he seemed to have kept in contact with Captain America or any of them (If they even know Coulson survived).

** ''but Thor shouldn't know that, as he hasn't been to Earth since Avengers, nor has he seemed to have kept in contact with Captain America or any of them (If they even know Coulson survived).'' Why assume Thor doesn't know? He's best bros with a guy who can stand at the end of the Bifrost and see literally everything in the galaxy if he's looking for it.

'''Heimdall:''' Let's see... Selvig is receiving medical treatment... Darcy is seeking fans that would support a petition to revive the "Daria" animated series... Iron Man is buying a giant toy for his girlfriend... the Black Widow is plotting the assassination of Hugo Chávez... Captain America is running for president... Hawkeye is training as a ninja... Hulk is dancing in the Brazilian carnival... Nick Fury is playing Galaga...\\

[[folder: On Mjolnir's inability to break coat-hooks.]]

** Breaking the truck was just a sight gag which works fine under the mythological rules for Mjolnir, but violates the comic book rules. In mythology only Thor can lift Mjolnir because it's really freaking heavy and only he's strong enough. In the comics, only the worthy can lift Mjolnir, but it can be moved through mechanical means. Going by the comic book rules, the truck would have been able to drag Mjolnir around without effort, but it would still be immovable by anyone trying to pick it up afterwards. This is why Mjolnir doesn't break coat-hooks. It's not unusually heavy, it just can't be moved...and since it's magic the rules are entirely context-based rather than logical. Iron Man may be able to tie a chain to it and drag it around...but if he tried to swing it by that same chain it would not move.

** Although they've been OutOfFocus for a long time, this is ''exactly'' the kind of loose end that ''ComicBook/DamageControl'' takes care of in the comics universe. Although Damage Control aren't worthy of a movie per se, they'd be a hilarious cameo in ''Age of Ultron,'' presenting Thor with a bill for relocating 'one (1) Jotunheim basilisk' to an uninhabited island in the Baltic or somewhere.

[[folder: How did he know what Thor said?]]
* Odin remarks to Thor on how he once said that there would never be a wiser king than him. This is referring back to the exchange between them at the end of the first movie. Problem is, [[spoiler: Odin is really Loki, who wasn't around to hear that]]. So how did he know Thor had said that?

[[folder: Stupid Cops]]
* Seriously, those cops that went to the warehouse must be the worst cops ever. First, they were called because someone vanished for 5 hours. Said person returns, and they start accusing her of invading private property, even though the place was clearly abandoned, without so much as "are you okay, what happened, were you kidnapped or stuck somewhere?", never mind the fact of the now-worldwide famous Avengers is standing right there! One of them manhandles her like some crook and then and everything blows up in an energy blast. They start labelling her as dangerous, while not having any freaking idea of what's going on, and try to detain(with no more than a baton, and the one doing it must be the most wimpy fucking police officer EVER) and "call reinforcements" on FREAKING THOR! The guy who fought of an alien army with a freaking hammer! What are they going to do, [[CallBack taser him]]?! It's a mix of BadCopIncompetentCop, LawfulStupid, SkewedPriorities and SuicidalOverconfidence!

** It's still a case of SkewedPriorities! Someone's gone missing, and a famous scientist at that, who was detecting a physical anomaly(I'm not sure if Darcy did tell them, but since it's apparently sacred ground for them, they would or should have asked why a famous physicist was looking around)! And that doesn't excuse any of the other issues! This isn't Hitman, [[AllCrimesAreEqual where you're allowed to shoot people if they step into a place without knowing if it's restricted area or not]]! How do they even know it's restricted area? They aren't personal security, they were called in by Darcy! Who the hell cares about the abandoned warehouse when there's someone gone missing?! First you find the person, then you ask if she's okay, where she went AND THEN you might want to ask why she was poking around, no need to treat it as a case of terrorism! Common sense, people!

** Er Darcy called the police herself because Jane had gone missing. Jane showed up five hours later, so presumably they waited to confirm that Jane was unharmed before deciding to arrest her.

[[folder: Separating The Infinity Stones]]

[[folder: Is MCU Thor invincible?]]

** Realms do not matter regarding Thor's strength. Whether he's on Earth or Asgard his strength level is the same. As for MCU Thor, he can be injured, and presumably killed by characters near his power tier, such as other top level Asgardians, The Hulk (and probably Abomination too), Malekith when powered by the Aether, galactic beings like Thanos etc. Hulk drew blood in Avengers, and Loki managed to injure him so he's not totally invincible. Standard human weapons are useless against him, but Asgardian weapons should work (ex:The Professor in Agents of SHIELD who had a combat knife bend harmlessly against his bare hand, but was impaled by the Berserker staff). Infinity Gem derived weapons might also work as Loki's staff also hurt him. He'd have to be hit several times and he'd be really hard to kill but it's possible. However nothing standard on Earth can really pose a threat to him.
** [[YouCantFightFate Thor is not invincible]]. One day he shall fight Jörmungandr, kill her, and then go back nine steps and die as well.

[[folder: Kurse and Mjolnir]]
* How the hell does Kurse NoSell Mjolnir three times? I get he's super powered by being one of the Cursed... But in the flash back, those dudes, while tough, could be taken down by 4 or 5 Einherjars with their regular weapons. One is even tripped by a single Einherjar suplexing him by the head. Yet Algrim reacts to Mjolnir (described by Odin as one of the most powerful weapons known to the Asgard ''without equal for destruction or creation'') like someone shot a nerf ball at him. It barely makes him flinch, let alone sends him flying or anything. The same weapon that could trade blows with the Hulk. That same weapon easily triumphed over the Destroyer, over entire groups of frost giants, over even one of the giant's gigantic beasts. So how the hell is Algrim so damn resistant to it?

** These particular dark elves have spent thousands of years expecting a rematch with Asgard. It'd make sense for them to have directed their efforts towards ''specifically'' foiling Asgardian weaponry. Heck, Kurse might even have the dark-matter equivalent of vibranium imbued into his transformed skin.

[[folder: Malekith's Genocide... Or Is It?]]
* According to Odin, Malekith sacrificed his own people during their LastStand. But the scene doesn't show or hint on Malekith doing ANYTHING, especially after losing the Aether. We're shown the Asgardians slaughtering the Dark Elves, and then the Dark Elves' ships crashing down, and his lines after that are too ambiguous to prove he actively caused the ships to crash instead of just taking advantage of the situation to retreat. Are we supposed to assume he can telepathically make an entire fleet, piloted by his own people, just shut down and crash(Or that his entire species was in those ships? Sure, the Dark World doesn't seem to have any buildings, but still...)? Or is that a hint that [[WrittenByTheWinners Odin's history lesson is inaccurate and biased]]? Aside from him, no one says anything about Malekith committing genocide, not even his own men, and Malekith and Kursed's lines on the Dark World, plus Odin then later stating, gleefully, that his father actively slaughtered all the Dark Elves, [[FridgeHorror imply Bor and the Asgardians shut down those ships and put the blame on Malekith when writing the history]]. This, plus WordOfGod that the Dark Elves' realm is a wasteland because the Asgardians used toxic gas to try and kill the Dark Elves, Eccleston's comments on Malekith having lost his family, and Odin's rampant Jerkassery through the movie implies there's more to that story.

[[folder: Jane Foster, Indestructible Astrophysicist]]

* Why is the Aether, an infinity stone capable of altering reality itself, used so poorly by Malekith when fighting Thor? You'd think he would be able to pull all kinds of crazy, reality-warping tricks with it, but all he does is shoot glass-like sharts and basic shockwaves with it. This seems incredibly un-inspired for what the Aether is supposedly capable of.

[[folder: Nature of the Universe]]

** The MCU Wiki states that the "realms" are just planets connected by Bifrost/Yggdrasil - sorta like metro stations within a bigger city. It's uncertain whether the Wiki is correct in its assertion, but it would explain why Marauders can travel between the realms without Bifrost, and there could be something specific about Yggdrasil's nature that makes Convergence so dangerous. The "world tree" is probably some sort of natural or Asgard-engineered reality warp that encompasses those nine worlds and somehow bends reality to make "practical" distance between them shorter and allow shortcuts like the one Loki knows of. The Convergence could simply mean the reality warp being in its peak condition - melding the worlds instead of just providing shortcuts - so Yggdrasil's capability to mess up the rest of the universe could be at its peak as well.

[[folder: Claim to the throne]]
* Why does everyone assume Loki usurped the throne? There's nothing in the movie to indicate this whatsoever; whether Odin deliberately bestowed the throne upon Loki or Loki was just sitting on it to trick Thor for the moment, nobody said that he wasn't legitimately crowned king, as he was in a deleted scene from the first movie, or that he wasn't simply sitting on the throne like any other chair for the sake of the illusion. Odin has been shown to be completely out of it following Frigga's death; who's to say he didn't enter the Odinsleep again? If that happened, Loki would probably legitimately become king by default, since Thor was off-world and potentially about to die, much like in the first movie. It is perhaps more likely that Loki took the throne through trickery, but at this point it's unwise to make assumptions given our very limited selection of facts.
** If he had a legitimate right to sit the throne at the moment (such as Odin entering the Odinsleep), he wouldn't need to bother with an illusion. Furthermore, he was almost certainly removed from the line of succession after the events of ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', when he was imprisoned.
** Unless Loki wanted Thor off Asgard for other reasons. Thor, being a loyal son, would have remained had he known Odin was in the Odinsleep. Alternatively, he was just doing it to see what Thor would say about him if he truly believed Loki were dead - or just for shits and giggles. As for him being removed from the line of succession - that may be so, or perhaps Odin had a change of heart after realizing how close he came to killing off most of Asgard with his own blind stupidity and realized he wasn't fit to rule any more, in which case it was either Thor or Loki - so it would HAVE to be Loki if Thor refused the throne.
** For one, its Loki who has proven himself to be a treacherous sob. Second, it makes no sense for Odin to suddenly have a "change of heart" and risk giving Loki the power that comes with the throne and I doubt Asgard or the other realms would take too kindly to someone of Loki's disposition ruling. Loki is more unfit to rule than Odin or Thor. He is still a convicted war criminal who attempted genocide and "noble action" did not change his underlying instability. Odin did not nearly kill off most of Asgard with his "blind stupidity." His plan was the best because Thor's plan failed resulting in Malekith getting the Aether and nearly destroying the universe. Malekith only had a dozen or so soldiers left so I doubt it would have been as bloody a battle as Thor predicted. So people "assume" Loki usurped the throne because there are plenty of facts that do support that assumption. Loki's treacherous, power-hungry nature, the highly unlikely event of Odin giving up the throne to Loki, no scene with Thor being told "hey, your brother is alive" and Loki pretending to be Odin.
** Uh, Odin specifically says he'll fight to the last man, woman and child, and he says it BEFORE Thor's plan fails. He's gone completely off the deep end at that point. Maybe it would be crazy to trust Loki with that, but Odin IS crazy. Loki may have also told Thor was alive after the camera stops rolling. As for him pretending to be Odin.. the original posts thoroughly addressed that.
** Thor's plan was likely to fail and was far too risky. If the Aether could have been destroyed by a lighting bolt, Bor would have done so instead of hiding it. Thor's plan put the whole universe at risk by taking the Aether from the safety of Asgard and risking letting it easily fall into Malekith's hand which is exactly what happened. Odin may have been wanting the Aether to stay in Asgard for the wrong reasons, but tactical it was the right thing to do. Odin was full of grief, but not crazy. Yeah, the original post addressed it and was throughout refuted. Your pulling stuff up out of thin air.
** There is the possibility that Loki ''hadn't'' usurped the throne and just took Odin's form [[ForTheLulz for shits and giggles]], to talk to Thor and would then flee. Not... horribly likely, but he could've done it ForTheEvulz. But yeah, the idea that he might be legitimately on the throne is hilariously nonsensical.
** Even if he did take the throne legitimately...does anyone in Asgard, anyone at all, trust Loki? If Loki told you the sky was blue, you'd have to go check to be sure.
** And when you did, it would be green. Because that's how Loki rolls.
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