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* When Ramses has his VillainSpeech talking about how he's going to "finish the job"...one, that's going to destroy Egypt's manual labour base, so no more monuments, and if the Egyptians want to build anything they'll have to do it themselves. Two, at that point, what is even the difference between killing them all and letting them go if you experience all the bad side effects of letting them go either way? Seems like a major case of Ramses not thinking things through and grabbing the VillainBall hard.

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* When Ramses has his VillainSpeech talking about how he's going to "finish the job"...one, that's going to destroy Egypt's manual labour base, so no more monuments, and if the Egyptians want to build anything they'll have to do it themselves. Two, at that point, what is even the difference between killing them all and letting them go if you experience all the bad side effects of letting them go either way? Seems like a major case of Ramses not thinking things through and grabbing the VillainBall hard.hard.
* Immediately after Moses and Ramses play a prank on Hotep and Huy, Moses tells Ramses they're late for the banquet. Wouldn't that mean Hotep and Huy were ''also'' late? What were they doing strolling through the palace?
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** And if in any way the Queen disapproves of the Hebrew babies being slaughtered, she'd probably be powerless to stop it from happening, but she can at least protect this one child who appears to be divinely sent.

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** And if in any way the Queen disapproves of the Hebrew babies being slaughtered, she'd probably be powerless to stop it from happening, but she can at least protect this one child who appears to be divinely sent.sent.
* When Ramses has his VillainSpeech talking about how he's going to "finish the job"...one, that's going to destroy Egypt's manual labour base, so no more monuments, and if the Egyptians want to build anything they'll have to do it themselves. Two, at that point, what is even the difference between killing them all and letting them go if you experience all the bad side effects of letting them go either way? Seems like a major case of Ramses not thinking things through and grabbing the VillainBall hard.
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*** Conversely, rejecting and/or killing Moses may have been interpreted as discarding a gift from the Gods, possibly angering them and bringing down their wrath.

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*** If Miriam is old enough to remember it, she would have had to be at least four, and Aaron is older.



** Empathy, to feel a PARENT'S pain the Egyptian's got what the Hebrews got and if you think about it the Egyptian's with young children then would have been the same age as the children killed before. Harsh {{laser guided karma}} via {{sins of our fathers}}.

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*** The real Rameses had at least two older siblings and was therefore not the first-born.
*** What's the point of God making Pharaoh change his mind if the plague just kills Pharaoh?
** Empathy, to feel a PARENT'S pain the Egyptian's Egyptians got what the Hebrews got and if you think about it the Egyptian's Egyptians with young children then would have been the same age as the children killed before. Harsh {{laser guided karma}} via {{sins of our fathers}}.




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*** Yocheved wasn't hiding him, though. Even if he hadn't been killed as a baby, the existence of a male child of the right age means that one slipped through the cracks, and the child would have been in mortal danger. If that had been the case, they would have at least kept Aaron out of sight to make sure he wasn't killed--but he's running around outside with his mother and Miriam to put Moses in the Nile. The order to kill male babies was implemented after Aaron was born.
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** @ OP- Remember, Ramses just ruined a statue/temple that likely took a good few decades to build, so he just added another few decades ''just to get it back to how it was in the first place''. Seti's afraid that Ramses' seeming recklessness and apparent apathy toward the station he'll have to bear later will spell Egypt's doom.
** it also worth noting that Seti's dynasty was still new at the time, he himself was the second one to sit the throne, and Egypt was still recovering from Akhenaten's little experience with monotheism so Seti expected perfection from his heir might be because he knows that his family can be toppled at any moment.
* It is also worth noting that this is an ancient times without any machines. No mixers, cranes or truckers. Slaves were literally breaking their backs to make the bricks and stack each and every one. And while Pharaoh might not care about their well-being, that is a waste of resources that could have been allocated elsewhere.

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** @ OP- Remember, Ramses just ruined a statue/temple that likely took a good few decades to build, so he just added another few decades ''just to get it back to how it was in the first place''. Seti's afraid that Ramses' seeming recklessness and apparent apathy toward the station he'll have to bear later will spell Egypt's doom.
** it is also worth noting that Seti's dynasty was still new at the time, he himself was the second one to sit on the throne, and Egypt was still recovering from Akhenaten's little experience with monotheism so Seti expected perfection from his heir might be because he knows that his family can be toppled at any moment.
* It is also is worth noting that this is an ancient times without any machines. No mixers, cranes or truckers. Slaves were literally breaking their backs to make the bricks and stack each and every one. And while Pharaoh might not care about their well-being, that is a waste of resources that could have been allocated elsewhere.
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** it also worth noting that Seti's dynasty was still new at the time, he himself was the second one to sit the throne, and Egypt was still recovering from Akhenaten's little experience with monotheism so Seti expected perfection from his heir might be because he knows that his family can be toppled at any moment.
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*** Well--yeah. That's literally the whole point. They were obviously cheating, because they ''couldn't'' replicate the miracle but were under intense pressure from the pharaoh (who could have them killed if he wanted to) to "explain" what had just happened.
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** It may also just be their way of portraying her as a shy girl, kind of like the way Violet always had her hair draped over her face in ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' until she got more confident and learned to stick up for herself.

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** It may also just be their way of portraying her as a shy girl, kind of like the way Violet always had her hair draped over her face in ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'' until she got more confident and learned to stick up for herself.
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*** In the book of Exodus, Moses leaves at age forty, rather than what I think is twenty or so in the film, so the time periods were basically cut in half. Done true to the Biblical version Miriam and Aaron should have been about twice as old as they looked.

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*** In the book of Exodus, Literature/BookOfExodus, Moses leaves at age forty, rather than what I think is twenty or so in the film, so the time periods were basically cut in half. Done true to the Biblical version Miriam and Aaron should have been about twice as old as they looked.

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** I think that was more "wear and tear". As a prince, he lived well and didn't have to work. After he left Egypt and lived with Tziporra, he worked and was exposed to the sun and the wind and the elements more.
** Pretty much. As a prince, they probably didn't encourage him to go outside as the hot sun would damage his 'prince-ly' skin. With Tziporra's people, he had to work out in the fields with them, and his job, clearly, was to herd sheep. Though the movie doesn't show it, I imagine he was a little more rugged in appearance.

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** I think that was more "wear and tear". As a prince, he lived well and didn't have to work. After he left Egypt and lived with Tziporra, Tzipporah, he worked and was exposed to the sun and the wind and the elements more.
** Pretty much. As a prince, they probably didn't encourage him to go outside as the hot sun would damage his 'prince-ly' skin. With Tziporra's Tzipporah's people, he had to work out in the fields with them, and his job, clearly, was to herd sheep. Though the movie doesn't show it, I imagine he was a little more rugged in appearance.


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** Given how Rameses is also still carrying pressure of not being the weak link, he did not want to seem like things were out of control and lose face.
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** Miriam even outright states that God saved him.


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* It is also worth noting that this is an ancient times without any machines. No mixers, cranes or truckers. Slaves were literally breaking their backs to make the bricks and stack each and every one. And while Pharaoh might not care about their well-being, that is a waste of resources that could have been allocated elsewhere.


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** Rameses also was trying to minimize the damage by saying “It was just one statue,” to which Seti countered with the “weak link” line. It seemed as if he had no regard for the statue and all the work and effort made for even just one.
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-->Exodus 7:22: But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts, and Pharaoh’s heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said.

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-->Exodus 7:22: --->'''Exodus 7:22:''' But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts, and Pharaoh’s heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said.



--> "When the gods send you a blessing, you don't ask why it was sent."

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** And superficially, if he was that young, he might not have grown much facial hair yet and what little he had could be managed by the palace servants. Then he's both older and working a lot more, so he doesn't have the time to keep clean shaven.



** It's indicated that she knew he was Hebrew. When she takes baby Moses in, her maids look in disapproval and she gives them a DeathGlare. Also, when Moses humiliates Tzipporah at the banquet, the Queen looks at him in disappointment.

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** It's indicated that she knew he was Hebrew. When she takes baby Moses in, her maids look in disapproval and she gives them a DeathGlare. Also, when Moses humiliates Tzipporah at the banquet, the Queen looks at him in disappointment.disappointment.
** And if in any way the Queen disapproves of the Hebrew babies being slaughtered, she'd probably be powerless to stop it from happening, but she can at least protect this one child who appears to be divinely sent.
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** His Egyptian garments are also white, which would make his skin look darker by contrast; the Midianite garments are a much darker color and wouldn't contrast his skin as much, thus giving the illusion that his skin is lighter.
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** At least by Jewish tradition about the Plagues, the last plague meant 'every firstborn in Egypt regardless of age and species /e.g including cattle/ who is a male' except in passed-over houses with doors marked with the lamb blood. Pharaoh staying alive is not related to Rameses II not being the firstborn - remember that pharaoh is not named in the Bible - he was spared at this point, - cause unknown but probably to have him to admit the will of God (however in the Bible he has later drowned together with his army). Counting only firstborn males as defined above (except limiting to human) was later made in Judaism into a commandment to either devote such firstborns (only naturally born ones without preceding daughters or miscarriages) to Temple service, or "redeem" them from a priest with 5 shekels (about 1.7oz) of silver, and the latter tradition is still active, with cohens as acceptors - google for "pidyon haben".
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--> "When the gods send you a blessing, you don't ask why it was sent."

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--> "When the gods send you a blessing, you don't ask why it was sent.""
** It's indicated that she knew he was Hebrew. When she takes baby Moses in, her maids look in disapproval and she gives them a DeathGlare. Also, when Moses humiliates Tzipporah at the banquet, the Queen looks at him in disappointment.
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That was way too close to some supersessionist nonsense. Let's maybe just limit the Jesus talk on page for a film specifically about the Exodus.


*** As an interesting side-note, this was the only plague that required action on the part of the Hebrews. They were told to kill a lamb and use a hyssop branch to spread blood on the doorposts and lintels. Though the Bible doesn't specify and the movie doesn't show it, the messages involving blood sacrifice throughout the Bible (culminating with the death of Jesus and the discovery that Gentiles could also become Christians) strongly suggest that any Hebrews who failed to spread the blood on the door could lose their firstborns, while any Egyptians who said "Heck with this" and spread the blood on the door could also be passed over.

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*** As an interesting side-note, this was the only plague that required action on the part of the Hebrews. They were told to kill a lamb and use a hyssop branch to spread blood on the doorposts and lintels. Though the Bible doesn't specify and the movie doesn't show it, the messages involving blood sacrifice throughout the Bible (culminating with the death of Jesus and the discovery that Gentiles could also become Christians) strongly suggest that any Hebrews who failed to spread the blood on the door could lose their firstborns, firstborn, while any Egyptians who said "Heck with this" and spread the blood on the door could also be passed over.
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** She directly attributes it to the gods later when trying to comfort Moses. They assumed that the gods (probably Osiris, given it was the Nile) deliberately sent him into their home and it would have been wrong and ungrateful to ask suspicious questions about why the child happened to be Hebrew.

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** She directly attributes it to the gods later when trying to comfort Moses. They assumed that the gods (probably Osiris, given it was the Nile) deliberately sent him into their home home. That the baby was Hebrew wouldn't be a reason to reject him because for him to make it all the way from the slave neighborhoods to the palace clearly required divine protection, and it would have been wrong and ungrateful for them to ask be suspicious questions about why the child happened to be Hebrew.or ungrateful.
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** One little-known detail lost on modern folk is that in addition to this being the then-current pharaoh's daughter rather than his wife, the "bathing" she was doing was likely a fertility ritual for a princess just arriving at puberty. "When the gods send you a blessing" indeed.

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** One little-known detail lost on modern folk is that in addition to this being the then-current pharaoh's daughter rather than his wife, the "bathing" she was doing was likely a fertility ritual for a princess just arriving at puberty. "When the gods send you a blessing" indeed.indeed.
** She directly attributes it to the gods later when trying to comfort Moses. They assumed that the gods (probably Osiris, given it was the Nile) deliberately sent him into their home and it would have been wrong and ungrateful to ask suspicious questions about why the child happened to be Hebrew.
--> "When the gods send you a blessing, you don't ask why it was sent."

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** Ancient Egyptian art showed four general skin colorations, which represented different peoples of the region. The Egyptians portrayed themselves as darker of skin than Semitic peoples (Hebrews, Canaanites, etc...) and lighter than Sub-Saharan or Western Africans (Sudanese, Kushites, etc...). The lightest of all were Southern Europeans (Greeks, Minoans, etc...)



** Despite the ArtisticLicense taken with the film, this is one of the things taken directly from Literature/TheBible:
-->Exodus 7:22: But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts, and Pharaoh’s heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said.



** Ramses wasn't asking for the two to prove that their gods were better than the hebrew god. Ramses was asking for an explanation. The whole "superior might" thing was Hotep's own line (which, by the way he said it, sounded very rehearsed). Ramses just wanted the two to explain it; he knows Hotep and Hoy are stage magicians and if they could reveal the "trick", then Moses was just spouting nonsense. It was a way for Ramses to reinforce his own mindset. It's also why he later shoos them out during the Plagues; the two now couldn't even keep the "tricks" off themselves, much less explain any of it.

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** Ramses wasn't asking for the two to prove that their gods were better than the hebrew Hebrew god. Ramses was asking for an explanation. The whole "superior might" thing was Hotep's own line (which, by the way he said it, sounded very rehearsed). Ramses just wanted the two to explain it; he knows Hotep and Hoy are stage magicians and if they could reveal the "trick", then Moses was just spouting nonsense. It was a way for Ramses to reinforce his own mindset. It's also why he later shoos them out during the Plagues; the two now couldn't even keep the "tricks" off themselves, much less explain any of it.
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** Given the dangerous trip that Moses takes down the Nile and the fact that he floated up to the Queen's little dock/pier, she likely took it as a sign from the gods. They had sent them a Hebrew boy as their own, which was probably interpreted as a sign that the gods approved of the massacre and Moses was a symbol of the Egyptians having been giving the Hewbrews as their own.

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** Given the dangerous trip that Moses takes down the Nile and the fact that he floated up to the Queen's little dock/pier, she likely took it as a sign from the gods. They had sent them a Hebrew boy as their own, which was probably interpreted as a sign that the gods approved of the massacre and Moses was a symbol of the Egyptians having been giving the Hewbrews Hebrews as their own.own.
** One little-known detail lost on modern folk is that in addition to this being the then-current pharaoh's daughter rather than his wife, the "bathing" she was doing was likely a fertility ritual for a princess just arriving at puberty. "When the gods send you a blessing" indeed.
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** Given the dangerous trip that Moses takes down the Nile and the fact that he floated up to the Queen's little dock/pier,

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** Given the dangerous trip that Moses takes down the Nile and the fact that he floated up to the Queen's little dock/pier,dock/pier, she likely took it as a sign from the gods. They had sent them a Hebrew boy as their own, which was probably interpreted as a sign that the gods approved of the massacre and Moses was a symbol of the Egyptians having been giving the Hewbrews as their own.

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