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** Its not unplausable that they were startled by it. Keep in mind that just before, Teresa ordered Laphicet to blow himself up. Right before he fires, its logical to assume they aren't sure what is going on, and avoid going in because he could very well be about to blow himself up. Its when they realize he is aiming at them that they have an OhCrap moment.
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**Essentially he can't be seen or heard by the crew, but he's still very much able to interact with objects and people.
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*** No they weren't. Teresa and Eleanor stood and watched as Velvet ordered Laphicet to turn on them, and continued to watch as he charged up his fire spell the suicide bombed them with it. Teresa and Eleanor had ample time to respond, even if it was just moving out of the way.

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*** No they weren't. Teresa and Eleanor stood and watched as Velvet ordered Laphicet to turn on them, and continued to watch as he charged up his fire spell the spell, then suicide bombed them with it. Teresa and Eleanor had ample time to respond, even if it was just moving out of the way.
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***No they weren't. Teresa and Eleanor stood and watched as Velvet ordered Laphicet to turn on them, and continued to watch as he charged up his fire spell the suicide bombed them with it. Teresa and Eleanor had ample time to respond, even if it was just moving out of the way.

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*** It's likely not a very strong allergy considering she's fine hanging around Bienfu and single cats/Katz and can talk to the cat-loving Loegres priest (who is surrounded by them) and wander through Taliesin without it acting up, but once she's in a place that is concentrated cat like Katz Korner it starts going crazy. It's also possible that, being a daemon, she's simply more resilient in general and it takes more than usual to trigger her allergies, much like how she doesn't get cold easily but still gets the sniffles when running around the polar icecaps in patchwork {{Stripperiffic}} clothing.



** There's also the sheer scale of what she's done. She's not the first daemon to eat daemons, nor is she the first to destroy villages, but by the time she picks up the title she has done so many ridiculous things and caused so much damage that she's essentially become a supervillain. Her gaining a title is no different from the way other legendary criminals whose real names aren't known eventually get titles, and since so little was known about her (a running gag) and she's done such a wide variety of crimes the title winds up being pretty generic.



*** Laphicet wasn't making a statement, he asks Velvet: 'An... order?" then fires on Teresa and Eleanor. And if was ''[[JustFollowingOrders that simple]]'' to get him to obey someone else, then anyone could've taken Laphicet from Teresa. It worked for Velvet and she wasn't even an exorcist.

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*** Laphicet wasn't making a statement, he asks Velvet: 'An... order?" then fires on Teresa and Eleanor. And if was ''[[JustFollowingOrders that simple]]'' to get him to obey someone else, then anyone could've taken Laphicet from Teresa. It worked for Velvet and she wasn't even an exorcist. It's likely just something [[RefugeInAudacity nobody had ever thought to try before]] - Regular people respect or fear Exorcists too much, daemons are too busy fighting them, and other Exorcists are allies.




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** At that point in the game Velvet is also very unwilling to open up about herself and her past, and when she does she tends to spin the facts to make herself look like a worse person, so while she certainly knew she was a therion she wasn't comfortable enough with anyone to share that bit of information until it became necessary both because it was personal and because it made her important and sympathetic.



** The history of Shepherds wasn't quite purged, seeing as Sorey assumes the title of Shepherd in ''Zestiria''. Most of the people who knew the truth about the conflict between Velvet and Artorius are either dead ([[spoiler:the Legates and Artorius himself]]), outcasts from society (Rokurou, Magilou, Dyle, and the crew of the Van Eltia), unable to communicate with humans (Eizen), busy with their new job as an Empyrean ([[spoiler:Laphicet/Maotelus and the reincarnated Legates]]), sealed away for eternity ([[spoiler:Velvet herself and Inominat]]), or simply not influential enough to be believed over a popular public figure such as Artorius (Medissa, Kamoana, and Grimoirh). As for Prince Percival and [[spoiler:Shepherd]] Eleanor, the only explanation I can think of is that they simply let Artorius' version of events go down in history so that the masses would have a hero to rally behind instead of turning him into a BrokenPedestal, which could cause innocent people to succumb to malevolence and turn into daemons.

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** The history of Shepherds wasn't quite purged, seeing as Sorey assumes the title of Shepherd in ''Zestiria''. Most of the people who knew the truth about the conflict between Velvet and Artorius are either dead ([[spoiler:the Legates and Artorius himself]]), outcasts from society (Rokurou, Magilou, Dyle, and the crew of the Van Eltia), unable to communicate with humans (Eizen), busy with their new job as an Empyrean ([[spoiler:Laphicet/Maotelus and the reincarnated Legates]]), sealed away for eternity ([[spoiler:Velvet herself and Inominat]]), or simply not influential enough to be believed over a popular public figure such as Artorius (Medissa, Kamoana, and Grimoirh). As for Prince Percival and [[spoiler:Shepherd]] Eleanor, the only explanation I can think of is that they simply let Artorius' version of events go down in history so that the masses would have a hero to rally behind instead of turning him into a BrokenPedestal, which could cause innocent people to succumb to malevolence and turn into daemons.daemons.
*** It's likely a case of grand-scale cognitive dissonance combined with historical revisionism. Few want to believe that the first Shepherd was an irredeemable tyrant because most of the world supported him and because future Shepherds were forces for good, so they took surviving historical records and interpreted them in a more favorable light as to not taint future Shepherds and conveniently dismiss the fact that, for a while, the whole world got duped.
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** Doesn't this make a plothole? How would they even ''know'' of the Shepherd by the time Zestiria takes place?

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** Doesn't this make a plothole? How would they even ''know'' of the Shepherd by the time Zestiria takes place?place?
** The history of Shepherds wasn't quite purged, seeing as Sorey assumes the title of Shepherd in ''Zestiria''. Most of the people who knew the truth about the conflict between Velvet and Artorius are either dead ([[spoiler:the Legates and Artorius himself]]), outcasts from society (Rokurou, Magilou, Dyle, and the crew of the Van Eltia), unable to communicate with humans (Eizen), busy with their new job as an Empyrean ([[spoiler:Laphicet/Maotelus and the reincarnated Legates]]), sealed away for eternity ([[spoiler:Velvet herself and Inominat]]), or simply not influential enough to be believed over a popular public figure such as Artorius (Medissa, Kamoana, and Grimoirh). As for Prince Percival and [[spoiler:Shepherd]] Eleanor, the only explanation I can think of is that they simply let Artorius' version of events go down in history so that the masses would have a hero to rally behind instead of turning him into a BrokenPedestal, which could cause innocent people to succumb to malevolence and turn into daemons.
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* Artorius might be a well-intentioned extremist but did it in the wrong way but he still almost lead the human race to a sad and terrible existence, you would think people like Prince Pervical would make it clear to reveal the truth about what happened or at least make sure he is not as honored. Also I read somewhere that apparently Prince Pervical when he ascended to the throne apparently made sure that the history of Shepherds and exorcists are purged from the historical record so there is less reason that Artorius would have a place name after him.

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* Artorius might be a well-intentioned extremist but did it in the wrong way but he still almost lead the human race to a sad and terrible existence, you would think people like Prince Pervical would make it clear to reveal the truth about what happened or at least make sure he is not as honored. Also I read somewhere that apparently Prince Pervical when he ascended to the throne apparently made sure that the history of Shepherds and exorcists are purged from the historical record so there is less reason that Artorius would have a place name after him.him.
** Doesn't this make a plothole? How would they even ''know'' of the Shepherd by the time Zestiria takes place?
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* So, at the end of the game [[spoiler: Eizen goes back to sailing the seas with his pirate crew, even though they can no longer see him]]. How far does that actually go in intercepting communication, though? Surely, they still know he's there? Presumably, they'd notice when in battle, some random mook is suddenly sent flying for no discernible reason. Besides that, can he interact with them through objects? Pick up a random rock and throw it in the air once for "yes" and twice for "no" (maybe not a good idea given the Reaper's Curse, but still)? Write letters? Hold up signs?

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* So, at the end of the game [[spoiler: Eizen goes back to sailing the seas with his pirate crew, even though they can no longer see him]]. How far does that actually go in intercepting communication, though? Surely, they still know he's there? Presumably, they'd notice when in battle, some random mook is suddenly sent flying for no discernible reason. Besides that, can he interact with them through objects? Pick up a random rock and throw it in the air once for "yes" and twice for "no" (maybe not a good idea given the Reaper's Curse, but still)? Write letters? Hold up signs?signs?

!! So why is the Empyrean Throne renamed Artorius Throne by the time of Tales of Zestiria?
* Artorius might be a well-intentioned extremist but did it in the wrong way but he still almost lead the human race to a sad and terrible existence, you would think people like Prince Pervical would make it clear to reveal the truth about what happened or at least make sure he is not as honored. Also I read somewhere that apparently Prince Pervical when he ascended to the throne apparently made sure that the history of Shepherds and exorcists are purged from the historical record so there is less reason that Artorius would have a place name after him.

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