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*** Just rewatched the movie, and she ''did'' have parental permission.
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** I can't think of any in-universe explanation, but Disney would want Oliver to have a vivid orange color scheme since he's the main character and would be more marketable that way.

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* Shouldn't the collision between Sykes' car and the subway train have made the news? Surely an explosion like that can't go unnoticed in the Big Apple. Even if nobody had smartphones in the late 80s to record it, the surveillance cameras for street traffic and businesses should have got a glimpse of it. And if anyone noticed the electric scooter driving down the bridge rails right after the explosion, they'd put the peices together and somehow Fagin and the Foxworths might get into some legal trouble with the city for all those traffic violations, among other things.

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* Shouldn't the collision between Sykes' car and the subway train have made the news? Surely an explosion like that can't go unnoticed in the Big Apple. Even if nobody had smartphones in the late 80s to record it, the surveillance cameras for street traffic and businesses should have got a glimpse of it. And if anyone noticed the electric scooter driving down the bridge rails right after the explosion, they'd put the peices pieces together and somehow Fagin and the Foxworths might get into some legal trouble with the city for all those traffic violations, among other things.things.
*** I'm not going to pretend that I know how that would work in New York, but I'm pretty sure you won't get in trouble for traffic violations if you testify that you were being chased by a madman on a Cadillac who had previously kidnapped you/your companion.


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!! Now What?


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** They are now on very good terms with the Foxworths, so I'm pretty sure they'll lend them a hand if they need one.
!! Do people just not like Orange Cats?
* Why wasn't Oliver adopted in the beginning of the film like all the other kittens? Just bad luck? It'd have [[TruthInTelevision some basis in reality]] if he had a missing eye, if he were older, scruffy, mischievous, [[CatStereotype or even if he was a black cat]], but as far as my knowledge goes, he just got unlucky.
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* What happens to Fagin and his crew in the end, now that they no longer have to worry about Sykes? Despite saving Jenny's life and stopping a ruthless criminal, do they return to living on the streets and barely getting by?
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!!Fagin and the Police


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**IIRC, Fagin a petty criminal, so, odds are, he prolly had a warrants and couldn't go to the police, otherwise, he'd be arrested and, if he got arrested, who's going to take care of his dogs? On top of this, Sykes is a patient man and so will get after Fagin after he's out.
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!!Syke's loaning practices


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***Another thing to note, IRL, loansharks deliberately target people who can't pay them back (there's a reason they're called "loansharks" ofc), so Sykes' practices make sense to a degree, as Fagin is a desperate man and will do anything to stay alive. It's about control.
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!!Jenny, you should have called the adults!


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!!Ransoming Oliver


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***That idea prolly wouldn't have worked because 1) we don't know how Jenny's parents are in regards to pets, that is, whether or not they see pets as replaceable, 2), wealthy or naw, a kitten might not fetch that big of a ransom but a kid definitely will, and 3) considering how children fare in the hands of ransomers, Oliver definitely wouldn't have fared much better. On top of all of this, Fagin is a really nice dude, who'd likely not be able to bring himself to do it.
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!!The Reporters were asleep


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!!The Third Day
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** Either Sykes was just being dramatic with the "3 sunrises and 3 sunsets" statement, or since it was nightfall when he confronted Fagin at that point, he might have considered the first sunset that very minute. And the 12 hours was until the third sunrise. He only had his dogs attack Fagin because he visited empty handed. With that in mind Day 1 started with the sunset at the time of his first visit to Fagin, the other two days already have already been established, and the deadline was the sunrise at the 12 hour mark. Three sunrises and three sunsets CAN (And in the summer time DO) occur over a timeframe of LESS than 72 hours.
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* So Sykes gave Fagin three days (and specifically mentions three sunrises and three sunsets) to come up with the money he owes him. This happens during the evening, but let's break these three days down for a moment:
** Day 1: Fagin drives the gang into town. Jenny finds Oliver and takes him home. The whole "Good Company" montage happens and Oliver receives his collar.
** Day 2: Jenny goes to school. The gang "rescues" Oliver from Jenny's house and bring him back to their boat. Fagin discovers Oliver's collar, writes his ransom note and delivers it to Jenny's house. Jenny gets home from school, finds the note and vows to rescue Oliver. That evening, Fagin goes to Sykes' warehouse. Sykes is quick to sic Roscoe and [=DeSoto=] on Fagin when he fails to produce the money he owes, and only calls the dogs off when Fagin is able to explain his ransom plan. This is followed by Fagin meeting Jenny, Jenny getting kidnapped, and so on.
* So, what happened to this third day? Did the "Good Company" sequence happen over the course of two days? Going by what's been stated above, Fagin still should've had one more day to come up with the money he owed, but it's treated as though his deadline with Sykes was on the night of the second day.

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* So Sykes gave Fagin three days (and specifically mentions three sunrises and three sunsets) to come up with the money he owes him. This happens during the evening, but let's break these three days down for a moment:
** Day 1: Fagin drives the gang into town.town, and now mentions that they only have two days to "do or die". Jenny finds Oliver and takes him home. The whole "Good Company" montage happens and Oliver receives his collar.
** Day 2: Jenny goes to school. The gang "rescues" Oliver from Jenny's house and bring him back to their boat. Fagin discovers Oliver's collar, writes his finds and attempts to ransom note and delivers it to Jenny's house. Jenny gets home from school, finds the note and vows to rescue Oliver. That evening, Fagin goes to Sykes' warehouse. This is clearly the deadline as Sykes is quick to sic sics Roscoe and [=DeSoto=] on Fagin when he fails to produce the money he owes, money, and only calls the dogs off gives him a twelve hour extension when Fagin is able to explain explains his ransom plan. This is followed by Fagin meeting Jenny, Jenny getting kidnapped, and so on.
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* So, what happened to this third day? Did It seems to be immediately forgotten the "Good Company" sequence happen over the course of two days? Going by what's been stated above, moment Fagin gives his "do or die" comment. Even if Sykes considered "Day 1" to be the day of their first meeting, it's still should've had one more day bullshit because Fagin never got "three sunrises" to come up with the money. Granted, Sykes is hardly an honest person, and Fagin likely wouldn't have come up with the money even if he owed, ''did'' get three full days, but it's treated as though his deadline with Sykes was on the night of the second day.how did Sykes' three day policy suddenly regress into two?
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* So Sykes gave Fagin three days (and specifically mentions three sunrises and three sunsets) to come up with the money he owes him. This happens during the evening, but let's break these three days down for a moment:
**Day 1: Fagin drives the gang into town. Jenny finds Oliver and takes him home. The whole "Good Company" montage happens and Oliver receives his collar.
**Day 2: Jenny goes to school. The gang "rescues" Oliver from Jenny's house and bring him back to their boat. Fagin discovers Oliver's collar, writes his ransom note and delivers it to Jenny's house. Jenny gets home from school, finds the note and vows to rescue Oliver. That evening, Fagin goes to Sykes' warehouse. Sykes is quick to sic Roscoe and [=DeSoto=] on Fagin when he fails to produce the money he owes, and only calls the dogs off when Fagin is able to explain his ransom plan. This is followed by Fagin meeting Jenny, Jenny getting kidnapped, and so on.
* So, what happened to this third day? Did the "Good Company" sequence happen over the course of two days? Going by what's been stated above, Fagin still should've had one more day to come up with the money he owed, but it's treated as though his deadline with Sykes was on the night of the second day.

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