History Headscratchers / KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep

*** You call the only boss fights in Square Enix's history where the loser simply falls unconscious instead of dying or looking wounded "resilience"? And just for the record, [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Seymour]] doesn't count because he's [[OurZombiesAreDifferent a crazy case]]. Anyways, in Vanitas' defense, he was still able to do something successfully even after the fights. With Ven, he was able to injure him in their first fight [[GameplayAndStorySegregation even though he was losing]], and so MickeyMouse had to come and save the day by teaming up with Ven. Then in Aqua's story, while the first fight was a humiliating defeat for him, the second one he nearly killed Aqua before he was KO'd. And then at the end of Ven and Aqua's stories, Vanitas was somehow able to force Ven's heart out and complete the X-Blade despite losing the BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind, and it took Aqua whipping out a [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Blasting Zone-I mean]], [[InsistentTerminology Blade Charge]] ''[[GameplayAndStoryIntegration mid-cutscene]]'' to destroy him and the X-Blade.

* Why was Pete banished by Queen Minnie for just generally being a dick, but not for ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance high treason and attempted murder]]?''

* Why was Pete banished by Queen Minnie for trying to steal an award, but not for ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance high treason and attempted murder]]?''

*** How was it a false charge? He ''was'' trespassing/stowing away on the ship without permission (From Wiki/TheOtherWiki: a stowaway is a person who secretly boards a vehicle, such as an aircraft, bus, ship or train, to travel without paying and without being detected). His intentions were good, but he still technically broke their rules. And I'm not sure how that makes him look ''less'' naive or stupid, in any case.

** Probably this is a stroke of genius, because this happens before the idea of HeelFaceTurn ran into Anastasia's head. In other words, before the idea of HeelFaceTurn comes, the plot will have it that her evil stepsister status gets cranked UpToEleven so it's plausible that she dies a villain in an earlier time, rather than being revealed as a bitch that manipulates her future lover's love. In a way, [[TearJerker that's kinda sad]], because of the plot, Anastasia will die being remembered as a villain (considering Kingdom Hearts is more popular than the sequel), never to experience ThePowerOfLove that will [[LoveRedeems redeem her]] and that baker in the KH-verse might not find the same love (and let's face it, it's a lot more satisfying when that baker finds love ''and'' redeems an evil bitch in the same time, rather than just finding love).

*** So when he was training with Yen Sid, when he was send by Yen Sid to th Keyblade Graveyard, after he promised to save Terra, after everything, NEVER ONCE did Yen Sid bother to mention to Mickey that Master XEHANORT is the enemy they ae fighting?

** hook wasn't look anithing wrong? How protetting a treasure that you onestly found from a thief is wrong, even if it isn't light?

* why Terra and Aqua side with Peter against Hook? He isn't doing anything evil or bad (until he capture Trilli). He have just found a treasure (found, not stole),and then Peter and his friends steal it for any reason that just having fun and trow away the gold. In witch way is that right? What's wrong with just founding a treasure? Hook wasn't doing harm to anyone and Peter just messing up with him for fun, stealing a thing that he have found with hard work and throw it away just like garbage, and we are supposed to belive that Peter is in the right? Why? I found absurd that Terra immediately side with Peter when he saw that the treasure is gold and not light. What change? Is stealing gold right? Is protecting or just possessing gold wrong? No, so what's the deal? Peter not even need it or have a good reason to did it so is just a theaf and Hook an innocent victim this time.

* why Terra and Aqua side with Peter against Hook? He isn't doing anything evil or bad (until he capture Trilli). He have just found a treasure (found, not stole),and then Peter and his friends steal it for any reason that just having fun and trow away the gold. In witch way is that right? What's wrong with just founding a treasure? Hook wasn't doing harm to anyone and Peter just messing up with him for fun, stealing a thing that he have found with hard work and throw it away just like garbage, and we are supposed to belive that Peter is in the right? Why?

*** ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D'' explains all this. All this time Ansem and Xemnas have been recreating Kingdom Hearts in order to utilise its power to gather various elements that will properly and more effectively rebuild the keyblade. I'd theorise that since Xehanort's heartless was so intent on gaining the power of supreme darkness even after he already had the 7 lights, he just got carried away. Being a heartless it wouldn't suprise me that his desire for darkness overtook his mind.

** Thanks to ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D KH3D's]]'' reveal that individual worlds have their own timeflows, we can make a reasonable assumption that Xehanort's constant traveling caused him to age faster than Eraqus.

* About the concept of the Keyblade War itself. Assuming the screwdriver that Master Xehanort manages to create a new X-Blade, what reason has he that the struggle to control it would actually be on as grand a scale as the previous one? During the game itself, we meet exactly eight keyblade wielders (well, technically if you consider that Yen-Sid is retired and doesn't manifest a keyblade at all, and Ventus and Vanitas are just two sides of the same person, just six). In the subsequent games, we see seven (Sora, Riku, Kairi, Roxas, Xion, Lea, and Xigbar more, but aside from Sora and possibly Lea, they all received theirs from characters from this game (by hook or by crook, for some of them, but still). It doesn't appear that keyblades really grow on trees, and it doesn't look like simply picking up the keyblade of a dead person would automatically turn a non-wielder into a wielder. So what reason does Xehanort have that the Keyblade war will anywhere near as destructive this time around as, say, the events of [[Disney/{{Mulan}} The Land of Dragons]] or the 1000 heartless invasion of Radiant Garden, let alone the events of the first game?

* If Stitch has yet to meet Lilo and actually go through the events of Disney/LiloAndStitch (since Terra, Aqua, and Ven fulfill the role of teaching him about friendship), why does he have Ukelele-style techniques?

*** But how do ''you'' know Jafar never had an Ice spell in ''Aladdin'', though? Is his ''entire arsenal'' of what he can do with magic really important to the film's plot? For all we know, he ''could'' have summoned a Blizzard to crush Aladdin... he just never saw any ''use'' to do so. Plus... GameplayAndStorySegregation. Are you also bothered that Maleficent is able to stand on a floating platform and call "Meteors of Heaven" to unleash her fury? I don't recall her using ''that'' kind of magic in ''Disney/SleepingBeauty''... or any incarnation of Pegleg Pete ever having barriers....

* So, does this mean [[{{Disney/Cinderella}} Anastasia]] will never commit her HeelFaceTurn now? If you just '''look''' at her face after the Cursed Coach has been summoned to murder Cinderella, you can clearly see that she's crossed the MoralEventHorizon along with her mother and sister. [[{{KilledOffForReal}} Too bad Aqua never got a chance to see if Anastasia]] [[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankUpYourArsenal can fight better than she can "sing"]].

* So, Cloud and the other Final Fantasy characters were from Radiant Garden, right? Then why is it Zack is from Olympus Colleseum?

** Thanks to [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D KH3D's]] reveal that individual worlds have their own timeflows, we can make a reasonable assumption that Xehanort's constant traveling caused him to age faster than Eraqus.
* Was it implied that the Keyblade Graveyard world disappeared? If it didn't, it could have been in [=KH2=].
** It was in [[UpdatedRerelease Final Mix Plus]]. The portal in Disney Castle's basement takes you there to fight Terra's Lingering Sentiment. It just didn't show up on the world map the same way all the other BBS-specific worlds didn't.

** I don't think he became an Apprentice until after BBS, so Ansem never met him before his scarring.

** I had a very good explanation... for the eye at least. See, he made his guns into a sniper scope, then tried to have someone else shoot ''through'' the sniper scope because he saw it on Series/MythBusters�

** Where was it ever stated that those powers were exclusive to Nobodies? To my knowledge, Nobodies are never suggested to be more powerful than their Others. If anything, due to lacking a heart, I would actually assume that Nobodies are ''weaker'' than their Others... at least at first, before (Kingdom Hearts 3D spoiler) they start growing their own hearts. Plus, we see Young Xehanort wielding the Ethereal Blades, which were previously a Xemnas-exclusive ability. Because of this, we can probably assume that Master Xehanort can use the Ethereal Blades as well, he just doesn't because his Keyblade is a much stronger weapon.

* How long was Pete locked up in... Wherever Minnie and the Fantasia brooms dumped him before Maleficent busted him out? If it was before KH1, then where was he? I just got the impression that Minnie wasn't planning to leave him in there for that long, though considering Toon Age (as discussed above), 10+ years might not be that long for toons.
** BBS made it look like he was busted out not long after being put in. Still, one would think Minnie would have released him before KH1, thus finding out he was no longer there, but that wouldn't explain Goofy's reaction in [=KH2=] (unless the events of [=CoM=] caused him to forget that little detail). Aside from that little plot hole, I'd say we didn't see Pete in KH1 because he was working behind that scenes. In [=KH2=], he was Maleficent's only remaining follower, so he couldn't stay behind the scenes anymore (since he had to do the work her other followers normally did), so we saw more of him in [=KH2=].
* So ''Birth By Sleep'' has a section in which Aqua and Prince Philip are fighting Maleficent as a dragon... so what are your theories on why she can become a dragon of her own free will in Birth by Sleep, yet in Kingdom Hearts, has to have her heart unlocked by Riku. Is she actually kind of afraid to use the dragon form except as a last resort (When covering everything in thorns won't work) because of the ''last'' time that happened?
** In KH, Phillip's sword sealed Dragon Maleficent rather than killing her, hence Maleficent needed Riku to unleash it.

*** That pretty much is the reason. They did the same thing in [=KH2=].

** Given that he was distinctively Hawaiian in [=KH2=], presumably he went to Hawaii ''later'', possibly when Radiant Garden became Hollow Bastion.
* How old are Huey, Dewey, and Louie? They're supposed to be ducklings, but they appear in Birth By Sleep and haven't grown since then.

*** Hmm... it's been a while, so remind me: were they as short in KH I & II as they were in Birth By Sleep?

--> '''Ansem Report 10''': ''...My body is too frail for such a journey, but I must do this. I will cast it off and plunge into the depths of darkness.''

--> '''Xehanort's Report 7''': ''"I have uncovered the Keyblade's ultimate mystery. You see, besides the three families of Keyblades, there is another "Key Blade." While it may sound the same when spoken, it is notated uniquely: "X-Blade." And make no mistake, while it resembles a normal Keyblade, it is something altogether different.
--> Keyblades are said to be man-made counterparts to Kingdom Hearts. The X-Blade, however, coexists with Kingdom Hearts.
--> It is only forged when two hearts of equal power intersect -- one heart of pure darkness, one of pure light. At the time of its forging, Kingdom Hearts appears. It must be noted, though, that this Kingdom Hearts is special. Unlike the Kingdoms brought about forcibly and artificially through the collection of hearts, THIS Kingdom Hearts is a perfect and complete union of ALL the worlds' hearts. Surely it was over this that the ancient Keyblade War was fought.
--> If so, the walls that divide the worlds today are of little consequence. With the X-Blade, all their hearts could be instantly reunited -- and the Keyblade War, refought.

*** VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D explains all this. All this time Ansem and Xemnas have been recreating Kingdom Hearts in order to utilise its power to gather various elements that will properly and more effectively rebuild the keyblade. I'd theorise that since Xehanort's heartless was so intent on gaining the power of supreme darkness even after he already had the 7 lights, he just got carried away. Being a heartless it wouldn't suprise me that his desire for darkness overtook his mind.

* RuleofFunny aside, how did Ven get shrunk in Cinderella's world? The Fairy Godmother shrank Aqua, but she had the decency to appear and talk to her before doing it. Just shrinking a poor guy without warning and chucking him in a cage seems a little... mean, for her.

** Santa uses time dilation magic when he delivers presents in our world; who's to say the time shenanigans of the world of Kingdom Hearts is too much for him?

* Is it just me, or can the narrative not make up its mind if Terra-Xehanort is simply Master Xehanort 2.0 or actually a CompositeCharacter[=/=]FusionDance[=/=]SplitPersonalityMerge of MX, Terra, and Eraqus? For example: During ''Blank Points'', Terra's and MX's Hearts are able to converse with full recollections of their identities, yet Terranort still walks around completely confused [[noteAnd yes, the amnesia was probably genuine (hence his SupernaturalGoldEyes (a confirmed indication of MX-heavy influence (as of ''3D'')) suddenly fading into brown eyes), if temporary.[[/note]]]]?

*** You call the only boss fights in Square Enix's history where the loser simply falls unconscious instead of dying or looking wounded "resilience"? And just for the record, [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Seymour doesn't count because he's [[OurZombiesAreDifferent a crazy case]].]] Anyways, in Vanitas' defense, he was still able to do something successfully even after the fights. With Ven, he was able to injure him in their first fight [[GameplayAndStorySegregation even though he was losing]], and so MickeyMouse had to come and save the day by teaming up with Ven. Then in Aqua's story, while the first fight was a humiliating defeat for him, the second one he nearly killed Aqua before he was KO'd. And then at the end of Ven and Aqua's stories, Vanitas was somehow able to force Ven's heart out and complete the X-Blade despite losing the BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind, and it took Aqua whipping out a [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Blasting Zone-I mean, [[InsistentTerminology Blade Charge]] ''[[GameplayAndStoryIntegration mid-cutscene]]'' to destroy him and the X-Blade.]]
** The fact that he's probably the ''only'' villain to practice pragmatism both [[CombatPragmatist in combat]] ''and'' in [[PragmaticVillainy villainous deeds]], which is notable because he's '''''[[AxCrazy COCOA CRAZY]]'''''. To add to that, take the both of the final battles against him (both the BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind with [[LightningBruiser Ven and his fight against [[BackToBackBadasses Aqua and Mickey]] while [[DemonicPossession possessing]] Ven) into account. He is simultaneously fighting on both the physical and mental planes (which would require a lot of effort to maintain) and yet [[ThatOneBoss is able to take a bite out of your health the same way]] [[Music/UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Scruff McGruff takes a bite out of crime]]. Not to mention that he's wielding the [[InfinityPlusOneSword x-blade]]. Coupled together, this potentially makes Vanitas one of the most dangerous characters in ''KH'' lore. In comparison, Master Xehanort was conceivably at his prime, [[GrandTheftMe having stolen Terra's body]], but ''still'' got his ass kicked by [[AnimatedArmor a suit of armor brought to life]] [[UnstoppableRage by Terra's rage]]. And ''then'', his LaserGuidedAmnesia kicked in, allowing Terra to [[FightingFromTheInside temporarily break through]] and seal away his memories for good. Vanitas fared much better and was able to put up one ''hell'' of a fight, which makes Ven and Aqua's joint victory [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome all the more impressive]].]]

* If Terra merged with Master Xehanort, who then killed/defeated the merged version to create the BigBad from KH 1 and 2 (namely, how/who split Terranort into a heartless and a Nobody)?

--> Ansem Report 10: ''...My body is too frail for such a journey, but I must do this. I will cast it off and plunge into the depths of darkness.''

** It depends on what you're talking about, since you're not being clear. If you're talking about during wandering the world map during the Final Chapter, then it'd be no different than her own glider, except maybe it would have more usefulness than that hard-to-aim bow function. If you're talking about when she tries to rescue Terra from the Realm of Darkness, then I guess because she forgot, or maybe because all keyblade gliders have the same speed. If you're talking about her using it to escape the Realm of Darkness on her own...look, I'm pretty sure that if she could do that, she wouldn't still be stuck there eleven years after the events of the game. The only person who could was Mickey, and that was because he had the Kingdom Key-D. Of course, that begs the question as to how she wasn't able to find that thing during the ten years head start on Mickey in between BBS and KH1.

* Over the course of the game, Terra gets several visions. In front of people. One of the people is MX and involves him seeing the end of BBS. These visions also involve unique character models and animations and the camera focuses on Terra during these visions. AND NO ONE EVER BRINGS THIS UP? Aqua never asks if one of Terra's visions told him something, or Terra asking MX what a vision meant, or someone mentioning that the Haunted Mansion is well known for producing Seers (even if we never go there) It's odd. Was this a plot point dropped at the last minute or was it something that'll play a role in [=KH3=]?
* Why, oh why, hasn't Aqua aged at all for about 15-16 years? Ven came to stay at the Land of Departure four years before Birth by Sleep, and she looked the same then as she did four years later when the game starts. Ok, so she wasn't at a growing point in her life and it could just be saving space by using the same model. But then in the secret episode she meets Ansem the Wise, after the events of Kingdom Hearts 2 and he says it has probably been a year since then. If he is correct then we have the bridge from BBS to 1 being 10 years, plus a year passing between 1 and 2, and finally another year before Aqua meets Ansem. So twelve years wandering the Realm of Darkness and she still looks exactly the same. Disney characters have a sort of excuse, as does Terra/Xehanort due to time spent as a heartless/nobody (And even Sora aged a year when he didn't really have his body!). The only other person who hasn't aged without an excuse is Ansem. So unless the Realm of Darkness makes those inside of it immortal while they are there, it makes no sense at all.

-->Terra: Being a keyblade master is all I've dreamed about.
-->Aqua: Well you're not the only one.
-->Terra:...me, you and Ven, all have the same dream.

-->Master Eraqus: ...However, only Aqua has shown the Mark of Mastery.

-->Terra: Aqua, you still have the same dream?
-->Aqua: Well... yes.

* Slightly confused as to the memories of the PowerTrio. Ven's [[spoiler:lost all of his memories before the Land of Departure due to MX [[TraumaInducedAmnesia forcibly extracting all of the darkness from his heart]] and his recovery of said memories is a major plot point.]] However, Aqua says in the prologue that Ven's always lived there with her and Terra, and he agrees. But later Terra [[spoiler:flashbacks to when she and him met Ven for the first time, so she must've known that wasn't true.]] Was she lying? Or did [[FakeMemories someone make her believe it was true?]]
** She was lying. Likely to make Ven feel at home, or because she guessed that [[spoiler:the amnesia was likely caused by trauma.]]
*** Or she was just over exaggerating. Like how you would say that a bully would kill you when in reality he would just beat you up. Aqua could just mean a long time.

** According to ''Days'', the only person who noticed any connections between Roxas and Ven was Xigbar, and that was because of [[spoiler: Xion having Ven's form from his POV.]] Beyond that, I guess Lea forgot about Ven, since the [[HoYay Akuroku]] was originally Axel being manipulative until [=CoM=] happened and Axel met Sora [[spoiler: and got his heart back.]]

** Wayward Wind is doubles as a plot device. It's used as a kind of heart monitor, of sorts. In the beginning, it proved to Xehanort that Ven would survive, [[spoiler:and in the end, it shows Aqua that while Ven's heart isn't in his body, it's still there, alive, even if barely so.]]

** [[spoiler: Both Sora and Riku used a ReverseGrip at least once in [=KH3D=]; in Riku's case, it was to free himself from Ansem (or was it his Guardian?); in Sora's case, when he was fought as the final boss]].
* When Terra was in Enchanted Dominion and [[spoiler:was manipulated to steal Aurora's heart]]... uh... what the hell happened? I know MX is all "heh heh heh" about it later, but I still don't have a clue what or how it happened.

** [[spoiler:Ven's heart is merged with Sora's. As a result, his nobody, Roxas, looks like Ven because Sora had Ven's heart.]]

* According to the secret ending of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', [[spoiler:Sora's going to fix all the sympathetic characters that died in this series. Thing is, this includes Roxas and Xion. How he is going to fix those two without breaking himself in the process?]]
** [[spoiler:We're not sure if Roxas and Xion appearing in the video was to be taken literally or merely symbolically. I think the latter, just because it would ruin perfectly tragic parts of the series if they got brought back.]]
** [[spoiler:Um, no. I think the ending refers to helping Terra (which will be interesting), Ven, and Aqua especially.]]
*** [[spoiler:Well, Coded has revealed in its ending that they are ALL most likely going to come back, every sad event be undone, and everyone will live happily ever after. ....Crap, this is going to cause so much wank...]]
*** Coded ''does'' place a lot of emphasis on [[spoiler:the pain of being forgotten,]] though, which seems designed to fit Roxas and Xion's cases.
*** [[spoiler:Technically, Terra should be beyond help also, considering that both the Heartless and Nobody of Master-Xehanort-in-Terra's-Body are destroyed now.]]
*** [[spoiler:{{Word of God}} says that when both the Heartless and Nobody are destroyed, the person is reborn as their original self. So, he could actually be the easiest to "save".]]
** Really, though, [[spoiler:Coded never specifies what it means to "save" someone from torment. It may not mean that they come back to life, in some cases, but more that outstanding threads regarding them are tied up. (An example being that Namine seems to imply that being thanked "saved" her from lasting torment).]]
** [[spoiler: But it was DATA Sora thanking DATA Namine. How does that save the REAL Namine? Not to mention Sora ''never promised to thank Namine to start with''......]]

* In the secret ending of Birth by Sleep, why does [[spoiler:Aqua look like she hasn't aged a day when it's been at least ten years between then and her final battle? Particularly grating since the series did a great job of showing the aging of Sora, Riku, and Kairi. And besides, who wouldn't want to see a [[SheIsAllGrownUp grown-up Aqua?]]]]
** [[spoiler:The Realm of Darkness might have an adverse effect on aging. Either that, or the programmers didn't have the time/space/paitience to create an entirely new character model for one scene when Aqua already had one.]]
** [[spoiler:Um, perhaps the simplest answer: Aqua is physically mature in Birth By Sleep (I'd guess 18-20) and as such the next ten years of her life don't show as blatantly on her as the aging of our heroes, who are going from 14 to 15 and 15 to 16. I mean, there should be a little physical difference, but that I think we can chalk up to lack of time/patience from the animators.]]
** {{Word of God}} says [[spoiler:time works differently in the Realm of Darkness than the Realm of Light.]]
* So the official reason that Roxas looks like Ven is that [[spoiler:he's Ven's heart in Sora's old body which got there when Sora stabbed himself]]. But since the definition of a Nobody is "someone who doesn't have a heart," and Roxas DOES have a heart, doesn't that make him a normal person [[spoiler:with mix-n-matched parts]], and not a nobody?

*** How much Roxas is able to use Ven's heart remains a mystery, but [[spoiler:it seems Xemnas remembers ''something'' of his old lives, and if he did know about Roxas, considering he was also behind the very-much-not-a-nobody Xion, it's not likely he'd care very much. In fact, as long as he had a keyblade master, could visit Aqua's armor at will, get Kingdom Heart,s and make ridiculous speeches while doing it, i'm not sure he really cared about anything.]] It takes a heart to care...

* Is it just me, or has the final boss for the last few games just been Sora Vs. Roxas over and over again? I mean, [[spoiler:Days has Roxas Vs. Xion, Birth by Sleep has Ventus and Vanitas, coded has Data Sora/Data Roxas, and for good measure, Data Sora and Data Sora's Heartless.]] It's like Sora's just fighting himself over and over again.
** One of the main themes of the series is the stronger one's light, the stronger the shadow. It's only natural that in the games between major Xehanort manifestations, the protagonists end up having to fight the shadows produced by their own blinding light. And besides, BBS's final battle was the Final Chapter, and that's against [[spoiler:Terranort]], ultimately the same guy as the final battle in [=KH1=] and [=KH2=]. Plus, virtually none of the fights play out the same way ([[spoiler:Xion]] turned into a suit of armor thingy, etc), so it's purely a plot-based thematic thing, rather than gameplay repetition.
*** I was over simplifying things a bit with Birth by Sleep, but you have to admit, [[spoiler:Vanitas]] is '''A''' {{final boss}}, if not '''[[TrueFinalBoss THE]]''' [[TrueFinalBoss final boss]]. (And technically, [[spoiler:Xion and Data Sora's Heartless]] aren't really final bosses either.) But it's almost annoying how for three games, the major climactic battles have been the same person fighting the same person, over and over again.
*** Get your point, but he's still not '''[[TrueFinalBoss the]]''' FinalBoss of the game. You could maybe count him as a ClimaxBoss ([[spoiler:as far as Aqua is concerned]]), but it's no more important to the story or potent for the involved combatants than the fight with [[spoiler:Terranort, the ''actual'' TrueFinalBoss,]] was (if anything, I'd argue that it's less, seeing as [[spoiler:the resolution of that fight sets up the rest of the series somewhat moreso than Ven and Aqua's fight with Vanitas did]]. And hey, if it's any consolation, ''3D'' breaks the trend.
* The timing in BBS makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, at the start, Terra leaves, and then Ven minutes later, and then Aqua, again, only moments behind. And yet somehow, her FIRST world is the END of Terra's THIRD. Um, really? So Terra [[spoiler:stole Aurora's heart, interrogated the Magic Mirror, and lead Cinderella to the ball]] all before Aqua even made it to the FIRST WORLD? You would think that these transactions would take more than ten or fifteen minutes...

*** Good thing we're dealing with a video game; if it was like the Pokémon anime, then that would mean a lot of filler episodes for the trio...

* So let me get this right from the Blank Points movie. [[spoiler:It's implying that along with Terra, Aqua, and Ven, Sora will have to rescue Axel, Xion, Roxas, and Namine? Uh, hang on... aren't Roxas and Namine already merged with Sora and Kairi, respectively? And Xion just doesn't exist anymore, since she was just made of leaked memories? And Axel gave up his own Nobody life to help Sora? And finally, if he were to bring back Ven AND Roxas... won't that cause confusion of twins wandering around?]]

*** [[spoiler:Axel could potentially return to his former self, like Xehanort.]]
*** [[spoiler:As of the Dream Drop Distance trailers, we know this is true, as he appears protecting Queen Minnie and introducing himself by his former name Lea.]]
*** [[spoiler:Sora probably doesn't have Roxas and Xion's memories (otherwise, he'd probably would have gone into a HeroicBSOD the minute he fused with Roxas). Sora probably has to create new vessels for their memories, a la how Kairi did for Sora.]]
*** [[spoiler:Either Roxas actually ''is'' Ven, or they'll just give them extremely dissimilar outfits.]]
* Also... isn't Sora's mother worried sick about him? Kid's been away from home over a year after the destruction/restoration of Destiny Islands, so you'd think he could just call her every so often to avoid homesickness...[[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror unless the Heartless got to her first...]]]]

* How does Ventus know what the Unversed are called? He was never at the meeting where Master Eraqus says Yen Sid calls them unversed, yet he knows that name as shown by his inner thoughts (the goals written on the screen) and the cutscene where [[spoiler: Vanitas forges the X-blade]].

* So what happened to [[spoiler: Ven's heart]] when Sora released the hearts in his body in KH1?
** [[spoiler: It merged with Roxas, then was ripped out when the Organization found him so as to create Xion. So essentially, Roxas always had a heart from the beginning, and so did Xion. What the real question should be is why Ven's [[DualWielding influence]] never showed up in the first game, prior or after to Sora's brief stint as a Heartless.]]
*** Not entirely accurate. [[spoiler: Xion was created from memories that Xemnas took from Sora during their encounter in Hollow Bastion in Final Mix (when he phased through Sora). Ven's heart was never removed from Roxas -- if it had been, then between Xemnas' attempts to reunite with Terra's friends (as a point of keeping Aqua's armor or the expedition into Castle Oblivion) and Xehanort's plans for Organization XIII, it would never have gone to Xion. Roxas and Xion both shared Sora's keyblade (which is why their control waned back and forth throughout ''Days''), until Roxas stirred Ven's sleeping heart and learned to use his instead, and then both keyblades when Roxas and Xion merged. As of now, theoretically Ven's heart returned to Sora when Roxas did.]]

** It depends on what you're talking about, since you're not being clear. If you're talking about during wandering the world map during the Final Chapter, then it'd be no different than her own glider, except maybe it would have more usefulness than that hard-to-aim bow function. If you're talking about [[spoiler: when she tries to rescue Terra from the Realm of Darkness]], then I guess because she forgot, or maybe because all keyblade gliders have the same speed. If you're talking about [[spoiler: her using it to escape the Realm of Darkness on her own...look, I'm pretty sure that if she could do that, she wouldn't still be stuck there eleven years after the events of the game. The only person who could was Mickey, and that was because he had the Kingdom Key-D. Of course, that begs the question as to how she wasn't able to find that thing during the ten years head start on Mickey in between BBS and KH1.]]
** For the last point, [[spoiler:we get no indication Aqua knows about the Kingdom Key-D, and Mickey was explicitly looking for it.]]

** Sora's radiance after reading Kairi's letter was enough to open The Door to Light, a counterpart of the Door to Darkness. Mickey could've used The Star Shard to enter then escape the Realm of Darkness. As for the real Ansem, remember, beings who have becomed too close to Darkness (Heartless due to being Darkness incarnate, Nobodies who are at risk of fading away into Darkness or just plain horrible people like Maleficent) can open Corridors of Darkness to enter and exit the Realm freely. Ansem, who was consumed by thoughts of hatred and revenge to his apprentices, was able to utilize that power to escape his banishment. However, once that hatred died down, as well as the Kingdom Hearts encoder [[spoiler: blasting him into The Realm of Darkness while purifying him of his own Darkness]], he became stuck there with Aqua and with no way out. Aqua also cannot use The Lanes Between as there is no pathway leading to The Realm of Darkness and vice versa.

* Is it just me, or can the narrative not make up its mind if [[spoiler:Terra-Xehanort is simply Master Xehanort 2.0 or actually a CompositeCharacter[=/=]FusionDance[=/=]SplitPersonalityMerge of MX, Terra, and Eraqus]]? For example: [[spoiler:During ''Blank Points'', Terra's and MX's Hearts are able to converse with full recollections of their identities, yet Terranort still walks around completely confused [[note]]And yes, the amnesia was probably genuine (hence his SupernaturalGoldEyes (a confirmed indication of MX-heavy influence (as of ''3D'')) suddenly fading into brown eyes), if temporary.[[/note]]]]?

*** You call the only boss fights in Square Enix's history where the loser simply falls unconscious instead of dying or looking wounded "resilience"? [[spoiler: And just for the record, [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Seymour]] doesn't count because he's [[OurZombiesAreDifferent a crazy case]].]] Anyways, in Vanitas' defense, he was still able to do something successfully even after the fights. With Ven, he was able to injure him in their first fight [[GameplayAndStorySegregation even though he was losing]], and so MickeyMouse had to come and save the day by teaming up with Ven. Then in Aqua's story, while the first fight was a humiliating defeat for him, the second one he nearly killed Aqua before he was KO'd. And then at the end of Ven and Aqua's stories, [[spoiler: Vanitas was somehow able to force Ven's heart out and complete the X-Blade despite losing the BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind, and it took Aqua whipping out a [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Blasting Zone]]-I mean, [[InsistentTerminology Blade Charge]] ''[[GameplayAndStoryIntegration mid-cutscene]]'' to destroy him and the X-Blade.]]
** The fact that he's probably the ''only'' villain to practice pragmatism both [[CombatPragmatist in combat]] ''and'' in [[PragmaticVillainy villainous deeds]], which is notable because he's '''''[[AxCrazy COCOA CRAZY]]'''''. To add to that, [[spoiler:take the both of the final battles against him (both the BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind with [[LightningBruiser Ven]] and his fight against [[BackToBackBadasses Aqua and Mickey]] while [[DemonicPossession possessing]] Ven) into account. He is simultaneously fighting on both the physical and mental planes (which would require a lot of effort to maintain) and yet [[ThatOneBoss is able to take a bite out of your health the same way]] [[Music/UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Scruff McGruff takes a bite out of crime]]. Not to mention that he's wielding the [[InfinityPlusOneSword x-blade]]. Coupled together, this potentially makes Vanitas one of the most dangerous characters in ''KH'' lore. In comparison, Master Xehanort was conceivably at his prime, [[GrandTheftMe having stolen Terra's body]], but ''still'' got his ass kicked by [[AnimatedArmor a suit of armor brought to life]] [[UnstoppableRage by Terra's rage]]. And ''then'', his LaserGuidedAmnesia kicked in, allowing Terra to [[FightingFromTheInside temporarily break through]] and seal away his memories for good. Vanitas fared much better and was able to put up one ''hell'' of a fight, which makes Ven and Aqua's joint victory [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome all the more impressive]].]]
*** [[spoiler:To be fair to Master Xehanort, like Vanitas, he was fighting (at least in Aqua's case) on two fronts at one time. In fact, in some parts of Aqua's final battle she actually got to join in Xehanort's mental battle and help defeat him there as well. That aside, the primary reason for Vanitas's MemeticBadass status seems to be that the first secret boss is basically an exact copy of him, and that he's ThatOneBoss in ALL of his fights.]]

*** To the above reply: In Blank Points, Master Xehanort clearly said, "Someone else has set foot in your Heart. Eraqus, you sly fox..." And WordOfGod confirmed Terra having Eraqus's Light--due to the former fading into the latter before dying--to block MX's full Darkness. [[spoiler:Word of God also heavily implied this was why MX returned in his own body instead of as Terranort in VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance.]]

* Spoiler-heavy one. Okay, so the Xehanort that unleashed the Heartless was [[spoiler:Xehanort's heart in Terra's body. Terra's heart is still intact, albeit in his armor rather than his body. So, when Xehanort left Terra's body and became the Heartless calling itself Ansem, why didn't Lingering Sentiment take the opportunity to take his body back]], since it no longer had a Xehanort in it to force him out?
** Because [[spoiler:that's not what happened, and Terra's heart is as much a part of Ansem-Seeker-of-Darkness's being as MX is?]]
*** So, what's the Lingering Sentiment, then, and how is it continually animated, and by what, if it isn't a sapient chunk of [[spoiler:Terra]]?
*** The Lingering Sentiment is [[spoiler:the memory and will of Terra, trapped inside the armour; it probably doesn't have enough sense left to take its body back.]]

*** VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D explains all this. All this time [[spoiler: Ansem and Xemnas have been recreating Kingdom Hearts in order to utilise its power to gather various elements that will properly and more effectively rebuild the keyblade.]] I'd theorise that since Xehanort's heartless was so intent on gaining the power of supreme darkness even after he already had [[spoiler: the 7 lights]], he just got carried away. Being a heartless it wouldn't suprise me that his desire for darkness overtook his mind.

* [[spoiler: Why didn't Xehanort try to make an attempt to retrieve Terra's keyblade from the Lingering Will considering since he possessed Terra's body and a heart, he had a potentially more legitimate claim to the keyblade.]]

* About the concept of the Keyblade War itself. Assuming the screwdriver that Master Xehanort manages to create a new X-Blade, what reason has he that the struggle to control it would actually be on as grand a scale as the previous one? During the game itself, we meet exactly eight keyblade wielders (well, technically if you consider that Yen-Sid is retired and doesn't manifest a keyblade at all, and Ventus and Vanitas are just two sides of the same person, just six). In the subsequent games, we see seven (Sora, Riku, [[spoiler: Kairi]], Roxas, [[spoiler: Xion]], [[spoiler: Lea]], and [[spoiler: Xigbar]] more, but aside from Sora and possibly [[spoiler:Lea]], they all received theirs from characters from this game (by hook or by crook, for some of them, but still). It doesn't appear that keyblades really grow on trees, and it doesn't look like simply picking up the keyblade of a dead person would automatically turn a non-wielder into a wielder. So what reason does Xehanort have that the Keyblade war will anywhere near as destructive this time around as, say, the events of [[Disney/{{Mulan}} The Land of Dragons]] or the 1000 heartless invasion of Radiant Garden, let alone the events of the first game?

** In universe explanation: Naminé screwed up.

* What's with Xehanort and the princesses of heart? I mean, he tells Maleficent about them, including that Aurora is one, [[spoiler:(and steals her heart,)]] sends Unversed after Cinderella, Snow White, and even KAIRI, but then, after Aqua beats the Unversed attacking a four year old, they leave them alone, and that plot point is never mentioned again.

** That confused this troper quite a bit as well, but during her second playthrough, she had a moment of FridgeBrilliance about why Xehanort was going after the princesses: [[spoiler:to forge the X-blade, he needed one heart of pure darkness and one of pure light. Vanitas covered the darkness part, but considering he already had one scare with Ven almost kicking it, he sought out the princesses (who have hearts of pure light) as backups to create it, in case something were to happen.]] The point where they apparently stop caring about the princesses (that is, the Kairi thing) comes shortly before Aqua defeats [[spoiler:Vanitas in the Radiant Garden square. After he loses, he says "I'll keep you around. '''Never hurts to have a backup.'''" Assuming he meant a heart of pure light to make the X-blade,]] after that, they wouldn't need the princesses, because they had a surefire Plan B.

** Alternatively, he told Maleficent about the Princesses solely so that she would help him [[spoiler:awaken Terra's darkness]]. He tells her about the princesses, and [[spoiler:steals Aurora's heart for her]], and she does something for him. The interesting thing is, ''he was planning to screw her over from the beginning''. As Maleficent says, "Such a search (for seven pure hearts) may take some time." However, Xehanort was planning to [[spoiler:forge the Χ-Blade]] to open Kingdom Hearts. In other words, steal Maleficent's prize before she's able to get the hearts she needs for her plan. With that in mind, what does ''he'' care if she knows about Kingdom Hearts? She's never going to be able to go ahead with that plan.
** I always assumed it was one of his (multiple!) backup plans. If the X-Blade thing didn't work out, Master Xehanort still planned to be in fighting condition and working on his own side plans; by telling Maleficent about the Princesses of Heart, he suckers her into putting that method of summoning Kingdom Hearts into action and doesn't have to lift a finger for it. Since it appears that [[spoiler:Braig is trying to help him once he loses his memories]], it's not beyond belief that he'd have contingency plans for everything else.

* Stitch's ending in ''Birth By Sleep'' [[spoiler:shows that Stitch went straight from Deep Space to Hollow Bastion, never meeting Lilo. [[Anime/{{Stitch}} Why do you hate Hawaiians so much, Japan]]?]]

*** [[spoiler:At the end of the game, he's the one who brings Ansem to take in Xehanort.]] That, and during Ven's visit to Radiant Garden, Dilan says, "Lord and castle come first," to which Even replies, "Which reminds me, his Lordship was asking for you," which seems to indicate that all six inhabitants of the castle knew each other.

** I had a very good explanation... for the eye at least. See, he made his guns into a sniper scope, then tried to have someone else shoot ''through'' the sniper scope because he saw it on Series/MythBusters…

** They are [[spoiler:creatures made from the negative emotions generated by Master Xehanort's experimentation on Ventus, and as such are controlled by his dark half, Vanitas.]]

*** The Keyblade of Heart, the one made of the Seven princesses, has the ability to unlock Hearts. In other words, release a Heart's contents. Regular Keyblades can only extract and manipulate Hearts. Hence, why Ventus was left in a near dying state after [[spoiler:Vanitas was created: Master Xehanort's Keyblade literally tore the part of Ventus' Heart that contains his darkness, fracturing it in the process]]

** Where was it ever stated that those powers were exclusive to Nobodies? To my knowledge, Nobodies are never suggested to be more powerful than their Others. If anything, due to lacking a heart, I would actually assume that Nobodies are ''weaker'' than their Others... at least at first, before (Kingdom Hearts 3D spoiler) [[spoiler:they start growing their own hearts]]. Plus, we see Young Xehanort wielding the Ethereal Blades, which were previously a Xemnas-exclusive ability. Because of this, we can probably assume that Master Xehanort can use the Ethereal Blades as well, he just doesn't because his Keyblade is a much stronger weapon.

* Minor headscratcher, but still one nonetheless. How come they retconned Ventus from being TheSouthpaw? I thought it would have been a reference to Roxas' ambidexterity with Keyblades, but then they rid of it.