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** In the beginning of season two of Daredevil, Frank is targeting street-level organised criminals. Not great people, but not super evil. At this point, Frank Castle is an antagonist. Matt (and by extension, the show) vehemently oppose his ideology and methods, and while he's given the chance to outline and argue his case, the show still comes down on the side of "killing is no". \\

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** In the beginning of season two of Daredevil, ''Daredevil'', Frank is targeting street-level organised criminals. Not great people, but not super evil. At this point, Frank Castle is an antagonist. Matt (and by extension, the show) vehemently oppose his ideology and methods, and while he's given the chance to outline and argue his case, the show still comes down on the side of "killing is no". \\



*** Perhaps a bigger factor in play: Trish has superpowers and Frank does not. We haven’t seen this as much in the MCU as we have in the comics, but in general, superpowered people are treated as much more threatening than non-powered people, even if their powers aren’t particularly potent or dangerous. Just look how mutants are treated in the comics. Frank is far deadlier than Trish, but in the eyes of law enforcement, he's still just your standard serial killer. He’s human. He kills people in normal, human ways. But Trish is something more, and they don’t know what she’s capable of. This is why both she and Alisa are sent to the Raft, which was specifically designed to hold people with powers. [[FridgeHorror In fact]], if Hogarth wasn’t such a skilled lawyer, and/or if Kilgrave hadn’t also had superpowers, Jessica probably would have risked ending up in the Raft herself after the events of Season 1.

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*** Perhaps a bigger factor in play: Trish has superpowers and Frank does not.doesn't. We haven’t seen this as much in the MCU as we have in the comics, but in general, superpowered people are treated as much more threatening than non-powered people, even if their powers aren’t particularly potent or dangerous. Just look how mutants are treated in the comics. Frank is far deadlier certainly has killed way more people than Trish, but in the eyes of law enforcement, he's still just your standard serial killer. He’s human. He kills people in normal, human ways. But Trish is something more, has superpowers (relatively mundane superpowers, but still), and they don’t know what she’s capable of. This is why both she and Alisa are sent to the Raft, which was specifically designed to hold people with powers. [[FridgeHorror In fact]], if Hogarth wasn’t such a skilled lawyer, and/or if Kilgrave hadn’t also had superpowers, Jessica probably would have risked ending up in the Raft herself after the events of Season 1.
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** There's also the fact that someone has infiltrated the house and planted a bomb, causing Kilgrave to change out his whole detail. For extra irony, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard it's the very same bomb that Simpson had tried planting]]. Kilgrave could have just made the logical connection that Simpson is trying once again to get back at him, and set up the contingency "If some black ops dude is wandering around the property, go give him back his bomb."

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** There's also the fact that someone has infiltrated the house and planted a bomb, causing Kilgrave to change out his whole detail. For extra irony, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard it's the bomb used was the very same bomb one that Simpson had tried planting]]. Kilgrave could have just made the logical connection that Simpson is trying once again to get back at him, and set up the contingency "If some black ops dude is wandering around the property, go give him back his bomb."



** There's nothing to suggest his actual voice has any power. The "power" seems to come from the pheromones he emits (as his father explained). Once someone is submissive to Kilgrave, he can probably control them not just by verbal commands as described above (the quickest/easiest approach in most cases) but also written (text messages to Luke?) and non-verbal commands (like HandSignals).

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** There's nothing to suggest his that Kilgrave's actual voice has any power. The "power" seems to come from the pheromones he emits (as his father explained). Once someone is submissive to Kilgrave, he can probably control them not just by verbal commands as described above (the quickest/easiest approach in most cases) but also written (text messages to Luke?) and non-verbal commands (like HandSignals).



** CharacterizationMarchesOn. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (the first season of ''Luke Cage'' began filming in September 2015, a little over two months before ''Jessica Jones'' season 1 was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on what his characterization would be for his own show. And that's the cause of some of the inconsistencies between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer, and also very prone to swearing. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after troubled youths in Harlem, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets, and more importantly, has strong respect for Pop's SwearJar. Probably the one thing that does seem to have been consistent in the shift is that Luke appears to still be a womanizer during his early months at Harlem's Paradise, although it's more likely that Misty Knight was Luke's first one-night stand since parting ways from Jessica, since Luke was working as a dishwasher by night and only interacted with Misty because he got short-pressed due to Dante calling out sick for the junkyard robbery.

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** CharacterizationMarchesOn. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (the first season of ''Luke Cage'' began filming in September 2015, a little over two months before ''Jessica Jones'' season 1 was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on what his characterization would be for his own show. And that's the cause of some of the inconsistencies between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer, and also very prone to swearing. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after troubled youths in Harlem, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets, and more importantly, has strong respect for Pop's SwearJar. Probably the one thing that does seem to have been consistent in the shift is that Luke appears to still be a womanizer during his early months at Harlem's Paradise, although it's more likely that Misty Knight was Luke's first one-night stand since parting he parted ways from with Jessica, since Luke was working as a dishwasher by night and only interacted with Misty because he got short-pressed due to Dante calling out sick for the junkyard robbery.



** Wendy mentioned that they got married before Jeri was done with law school. Season 2 also has Jeri reveal that she came from poverty, so she didn't have any money at the time. Combination of marrying for love while you're young & foolish, as well as not having any money & not thinking forward far enough to imagine yourself having money, would explain it.

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** Wendy mentioned that they got married before Jeri was done with law school. Season 2 Jeri also has Jeri reveal reveals in season 2 that [[RagsToRiches she came from poverty, poverty]], so she didn't have any money at the time. Combination of marrying for love while you're young & foolish, as well as not having any money & not thinking forward far enough to imagine yourself having money, would explain it.



** All correct about the way celebrities are hounded, but also ''Trish Talk'' didn't actually how low ratings. The conversation she had with Ian the station manager at the start of season two was about how her ratings were ''beginning'' to dip. She'd gotten a huge ratings boost with her stories about Kilgrave and powers and conspiracies -- especially with the personal angle that she was actually involved in this stuff -- but now that it's a few months since Kilgrave and Midland Circle, that boost is dwindling away. She's back to the ratings she was at before with her standard lifestyle radio show. Certainly enough for ''Trish Talk'' to continue as it did before, but since Trish wants to be like Karen Page and be a serious journalist, she needs to get a ratings boost or be content with settling for flippant chit-chat.
*** In fact, Trish's situation is kinda like the situation Ben Urich was facing in ''Daredevil'' season 1, when Ellison was pressuring him into writing fluff pieces to boost ailing circulation numbers at the ''Bulletin''. Admittedly, though, Ellison turned over a new leaf between ''Daredevil'' season 1 and season 2 so he could be more helpful to Karen's investigation of Frank, and that had to do with Ellison probably pressuring the owner of the ''Bulletin'' to let his reporters write the important stuff. Trish has the same issue with Ian; she answers directly to Ian and he answers to the radio station's owners who tell him this information about the ''Trish Talk'' ratings, and tell him "Get the ratings up on ''Trish Talk'' or else."

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** All correct about the way celebrities are hounded, but also ''Trish Talk'' didn't actually how low ratings. The conversation she had with Ian the station manager at the start of the season two was is about how her ratings were ''beginning'' to dip. She'd She's gotten a huge ratings boost with her stories about Kilgrave and powers and conspiracies -- especially with the personal angle that she was actually involved in this stuff -- but now that it's a few months since Kilgrave and Midland Circle, that boost is dwindling away. She's back to the ratings she was at before with her standard lifestyle radio show. Certainly enough for ''Trish Talk'' to continue as it did before, but since Trish wants to be like Karen Page and be a serious journalist, she needs to get a ratings boost or be content with settling for flippant chit-chat.
*** In fact, Trish's situation is kinda like the situation Ben Urich was facing in ''Daredevil'' season 1, when Ellison was pressuring him into writing fluff pieces to boost ailing circulation numbers at the ''Bulletin''. Admittedly, though, Ellison turned over a new leaf between ''Daredevil'' season 1 and season 2 so he could be more helpful to Karen's investigation of Frank, and that had to do with Ellison probably pressuring the owner of the ''Bulletin'' to let his reporters write the important stuff. Trish has the same issue with Ian; she answers directly to Ian Ian, and he answers to the radio station's owners who tell him this information about the ''Trish Talk'' ratings, and tell him "Get the ratings up on ''Trish Talk'' or else."



** Jessica did the whole breaking and entering to try and find just any kind of criminal evidence to get Dale fired. She didn’t break in there thinking or planning to kill the guy. And when she did kill him, it wasn’t premeditated either. She just hit him with whatever she could to stop him from assaulting her. Literally had her eyes closed, grabbed a thing and smashed him over the head. She never planned to kill Dale, only planned to find evidence of his abuse that she could give to his bosses. She killed him by accident after he attacked her for breaking into his home. The action of having done it while in his residence illegally would be the argument that it’s murder. The actions we witnessed her commit as the audience were more akin to manslaughter. But as in any case, it would be on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jessica was not justified in her actions.

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** Jessica did the whole breaking and entering broke into Dale's house to try and find just any kind of criminal evidence to get Dale him fired. She didn’t didn't break in there thinking or planning to kill the guy. And when she did kill him, it wasn’t wasn't premeditated either. She just hit him with whatever she could to stop him from assaulting her. Literally had her eyes closed, grabbed a thing and smashed him over the head. She never planned to kill Dale, only planned to find evidence of his abuse that she could give to his bosses. She killed him by accident after he attacked her for breaking into his home. The action of having done it while in his residence illegally would be the argument that it’s murder. The actions we witnessed her commit as the audience were more akin to manslaughter. But as in any case, it would be on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jessica was not justified in her actions.



*** Consider that Cheng is most likely the one who called the cops in the first place. He's basically an earwitness. He may have even told the cops that Nick was there to keep an eye on Jessica (to warn Cheng if she goes after him again) and deny that he ordered him to raid her place. The cops may have some questions about that later on, but anyways, Jessica doesn't disclose the breaking and entering, and the proof is gone because Alisa took it with her, so they really don't have anything to go on.

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*** Consider that Cheng is most likely the one who called the cops police in the first place. He's basically an earwitness. He may have even told the cops police that he sent Nick was there to keep an eye on Jessica (to warn Cheng if she goes after him again) and deny that he ordered him to raid her place. The cops may have some questions about that later on, but anyways, Jessica doesn't disclose the breaking and entering, and the proof is gone because Alisa took it with her, so they really don't have anything to go on.



** Pretty much nobody below the military or the Feds have any idea of how to effectively respond to powered people. Commissioner Dimolina has not been able to formulate an organization-wide policy on how NYPD officers are to approach, arrest, detain and hold super-powered individuals. Every time we see them try, they're either woefully ill-equipped (like the two cops from the dashcam video who tried to apprehend a delirious and wounded Luke), or are resorting to experimental military weaponry (like the Judas bullets) in order to try and kill them because they don't think anything else will work.\\

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** Pretty much nobody below the military or the Feds have any idea of how to effectively respond to powered people. Commissioner Dimolina has The brass have not been able to formulate an organization-wide policy on how NYPD police officers are to approach, arrest, detain and hold super-powered individuals. Every time we see them try, they're either woefully ill-equipped (like the two cops from the dashcam video in ''Luke Cage'' season 1 who tried to apprehend a delirious and wounded Luke), or are resorting to experimental military weaponry (like the Judas bullets) in order to try and kill them because they don't think anything else will work.\\
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** No, it's simply a misunderstanding about how much time has elapsed from when he was tranq'ed to when he controlled the neighbor. The sedative knocks his powers out for about a day. He was basically in an isolation room when he woke up. He was there for an indeterminate amount of time. He left, after hiring a new security detail, and bought Jessica's childhood home. There were a couple days (at least) of renovation as he transformed it back into how it looked when she was a kid. So several days (at least) passed between the "Black Bag Killgrave" abduction and the time Kilgrave drops the mind-whammy on the neighbor.

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** No, it's simply a misunderstanding about how much time has elapsed from when he was tranq'ed to when he controlled the neighbor. The sedative knocks his powers out for about a day. He was basically in an isolation room when he woke up. He was there for an indeterminate amount of time. He left, after hiring a new security detail, and bought Jessica's childhood home. There were a couple days (at least) of renovation as he transformed it back into how it looked when she was a kid. So several days (at least) passed between the "Black Bag Killgrave" Kilgrave" abduction and the time Kilgrave drops the mind-whammy on the neighbor.



** When Kilgrave first used Simpson, he was in his police uniform which had his last name attached. The second time he saw Simpson, he helped Jessica abduct him, Kilgrave seemingly recognized him when he approached him before he was abducted. Simpson shooting Kilgrave with tranqs most likely left an impression. Also when Jessica came to live with him, Kilgrave had the presence of mind to hire bodyguards. It is not unimaginable in his paranoia for him to be prepared just in case if Simpson should show up again. So he sets up Mrs. De Luca to keep an eye out for a blonde, lantern jaw Alpha male in black and hand him the special bomb/gift, after asking "Is your name Will Simpson?" Heck, he may have even heard of Simpson's military background when the guard that Simpson captured got back to work and handed in a report. Citing Simpson's tactics and training. Enough details that would make Kilgrave take extra precautions.
** There's also the fact that someone has infiltrated the house and planted a bomb, causing Kilgrave to change out his whole detail. For extra irony, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard the bomb used was the very one that Simpson had tried planting]]. Kilgrave could have just made the logical connection that Simpson is trying once again to get back at him, and set up the contingency "If some black ops dude is wandering around the property, go give him back his bomb."

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** When Kilgrave first used Simpson, he was in his police uniform which had his last name attached. The second time he saw Simpson, he helped Jessica abduct him, Kilgrave seemingly recognized him when he approached him before he was abducted. Simpson shooting Kilgrave with tranqs most likely left an impression. Also when Jessica came to live with him, Kilgrave had the presence of mind to hire bodyguards. It is not unimaginable in his paranoia for him to be prepared just in case if Simpson should show up again. So he sets up Mrs. De Luca to keep an eye out for a blonde, lantern jaw Alpha male in black and hand him the special bomb/gift, after asking "Is your name Will Simpson?" Heck, he may have even heard of Simpson's military background when the guard that Jessica and Simpson captured got back to work and handed in a report. Citing report, citing Simpson's tactics and training. Enough details that would make Kilgrave take extra precautions.
** There's also the fact that someone has infiltrated the house and planted a bomb, causing Kilgrave to change out his whole detail. For extra irony, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard the bomb used was it's the very one same bomb that Simpson had tried planting]]. Kilgrave could have just made the logical connection that Simpson is trying once again to get back at him, and set up the contingency "If some black ops dude is wandering around the property, go give him back his bomb."



*** Jessica, while not unaccustomed to using questionable methods, is shown to have a strong moral compass when it comes to murder and violence. She rarely ''actively'' attacks people - most of the fighting she does is defensive, either of herself or an ally. It's notable that, when Audrey tries to kill her (and actually ''shoots'' her), Jessica stops attacking her once Audrey stops being a threat, preferring to smash up the room. About the only time she directly attacks someone who wasn't a danger to her was when she threatens Wendy, and that was when she was absolutely ''plastered'', and in an incredibly angry and depressive state. To add to this, when she ''does'' fight, she tends to rely on throwing and pushing, rarely punching, as although she can pull her punches, she may not be able to reliably moderate the force she uses. So, actively harming someone who posed no threat to her by punching her so hard in the chest that she's dead before she hits the floor would definitely be the most traumatic thing for Jessica to be forced to do.
** Also note from what we see Jessica may have been under Kilgrave's control longer than anyone. Usually, he seems to get bored of one toy and discard it when no longer useful or fun (like the two women he discarded when they first met) or kills them to cover his tracks . Kilgrave's obsessiveness with Jessica may be down to time spent together. In flashbacks, we see that they spent time enough together that, in his twisted mind, it counted as his first real relationship. His other toys never lasted that long before he disposed of or forgot about them. Considering that Jessica spent months under the influence of the virus, now add in her superhuman physiology. It is possible that she even has fast healing capabilities, since she got shot in the arm by Audrey in episode 4, but was seemingly none the worse for wear a few days later. So we have a person who has been under Kilgrave's intense influence for months. Add to that her advanced metabolism that allows her to drink like a fish and be none the worse for it. You have a woman who is building a tolerance to the mind control virus bit by bit. The trauma of killing an innocent person may have been the adrenal shock to her system her body needed to shake free of the virus' influence once and for all. Remember, Kilgrave pretty much had to control her 24/7, that is a lot of exposure to his virus. Enough time to build a tolerance to it. Her PTSD may have prevented her realizing later that was why she was able to walk away from him that night.

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*** Jessica, while not unaccustomed to using questionable methods, is shown to have a strong moral compass when it comes to murder and violence. She rarely ''actively'' attacks people - most of the fighting she does is defensive, either of herself or an ally. It's notable that, when Audrey tries to kill her (and actually ''shoots'' her), Jessica stops attacking her once Audrey stops being a threat, preferring to smash up the room. About the only time she directly attacks someone who wasn't isn't a danger to her was is when she threatens Wendy, and that was is at a time when she was is absolutely ''plastered'', and in an incredibly angry and depressive state. To add to this, when she ''does'' fight, she tends to rely on throwing and pushing, rarely punching, as although she can pull her punches, she may not be able to reliably moderate the force she uses. So, actively harming someone who posed no threat to her by punching her so hard in the chest that she's dead before she hits the floor would definitely be the most traumatic thing for Jessica to be forced to do.
** Also note from what we see Jessica may have been under Kilgrave's control longer than anyone. Usually, he seems to get bored of one toy and discard it when no longer useful or fun (like the two women he discarded when they first met) or kills them to cover his tracks .tracks. Kilgrave's obsessiveness with Jessica may be down to time spent together. In flashbacks, we see that they spent time enough together that, in his twisted mind, it counted as his first real relationship. His other toys never lasted that long before he disposed of or forgot about them. Considering that Jessica spent months under the influence of the virus, now add in her superhuman physiology. It is possible that she even has fast healing capabilities, since she got shot in the arm by Audrey in episode 4, but was seemingly none the worse for wear a few days later. So we have a person who has been under Kilgrave's intense influence for months. Add to that her advanced metabolism that allows her to drink like a fish and be none the worse for it. You have a woman who is building a tolerance to the mind control virus bit by bit. The trauma of killing an innocent person may have been the adrenal shock to her system her body needed to shake free of the virus' influence once and for all. Remember, Kilgrave pretty much had to control her 24/7, that is a lot of exposure to his virus. Enough time to build a tolerance to it. Her PTSD may have prevented her realizing later that was why she was able to walk away from him that night.



** In that particular instance Kilgrave specifically says it's because he doesn't want "seller's remorse". i.e., he doesn't want this guy coming back to get his house back. If Kilgrave just said "leave", the day after his power wore off the guy could come back saying "What the fuck, man?! Give me my house back!" Even if Kilgrave had forced the guy to take the money the guy could have come back for sentimental reasons or resentment over having been tricked out of his home, not everybody would value money over attachments. Kilgrave was trying to build his sick and twisted fantasy life with Jessica, he didn't want any interruptions or difficulties, which is why he made a point of asking if the guy was happy with the deal so there'd be no problems down the road. Killing the guy also would have brought up its own issues; Jessica would have hated somebody being killed in her old house, he would have had to deal with family and friends coming by, maybe even a police investigation, etc. He could have dealt with it all using his powers, but his point was that this time he wanted to make sure none of those issues arose. In ''general'', Kilgrave clearly doesn't need money, and nothing in the show says that uses it except for certain specific instances. He paid his security team in money because he wanted to make sure they'd act even if he had been disabled, and he tipped the attractive woman at the poker game because he was enjoying playing the role of High Roller, but in general he is not shown spending money.

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** In that particular instance Kilgrave specifically says it's because he doesn't want "seller's remorse". i.e., he doesn't want this guy coming back to get his house back. If Kilgrave just said "leave", the day after his power wore off the guy could come back saying "What the fuck, man?! Give me my house back!" Even if Kilgrave had forced the guy to take the money the guy could have come back for sentimental reasons or resentment over having been tricked out of his home, as not everybody would value money over attachments. Kilgrave was trying to build his sick and twisted fantasy life with Jessica, he didn't want any interruptions or difficulties, which is why he made a point of asking if the guy was happy with the deal so there'd be no problems down the road. Killing the guy also would have brought up its own issues; Jessica would have hated somebody being killed in her old house, he would have had to deal with family and friends coming by, maybe even a police investigation, etc. He could have dealt with it all using his powers, but his point was that this time he wanted to make sure none of those issues arose. In ''general'', Kilgrave clearly doesn't need money, and nothing in the show says that uses it except for certain specific instances. He paid his security team in money because he wanted to make sure they'd act even if he had been disabled, and he tipped the attractive woman at the poker game because he was enjoying playing the role of High Roller, but in general he is not shown spending money.



** My personal belief is that he did it for two reasons: one was to impress Jessica, so he could tell her "look, I've turned over a new leaf, I'm nice now, I don't force anyone to do anything they don't want to" (which is something we know he does, because he makes a big point of how he pays all his "employees" and doesn't just order them to work for him for free), and also to test himself. He knows (we don't yet, but he does) that he's about to spend some time dealing with a person he can't control using his powers, so he wants to see if he has the ability to do that by trying it out on the guy he's buying the house from.

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** My personal belief is that he did it for two reasons: one was to impress Jessica, so he could tell her "look, I've turned over a new leaf, I'm nice now, I don't force anyone to do anything they don't want to" (which is something we know he does, because he makes a big point of how he pays all his "employees" and doesn't just order them to work for him for free), and also to test free). The second is that he's testing himself. He knows (we don't yet, but he does) that he's about to spend some time dealing with a person he can't control using his powers, so he wants to see if he has the ability to do that by trying it out on the guy he's buying the house from.



** Kilgrave probably just asked, "Is there anything that would be important for me to know?" or "What would you like to keep a secret?" and Luke Cage would have told him A) about his powers, B) that his real name is Carl Lucas, and C) he's on the run from the law (B and C are irrelevant, but if that's what Kilgrave asked, Luke would have surely mentioned them and maybe a little bit about Shades, Comanche, Rackham and Squabbles). Something similar happened on-screen with Jeri when he sarcastically says, "Tell me something I don't know" and she then tells him about the fetus. Kilgrave wouldn't have needed to know about it to ask for generalities if he was just doing general digging. Regarding his specific instructions to Luke for the rest of the action, it would have needed to be careful, but he could have covered everything like this: "If Jessica asks what I know about you, don't mention that I know about your powers. Or that you're Carl Lucas from Georgia. Tell her I didn't ask about them and you didn't volunteer any information. Then, I want you to act like you would normally, except for THIS and THIS and THAT." Kilgrave's been controlling people for over 30 years. He's probably had a lot of trial-and-error over the years to work out how to bury a lot of contingencies in his instructions.

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** Kilgrave probably just asked, "Is there anything that would be important for me to know?" or "What would you like to keep a secret?" and Luke Cage would have told him A) about his powers, B) that his real name is Carl Lucas, and C) he's on the run from the law (B and C are irrelevant, but if that's what Kilgrave asked, Luke would have surely mentioned them and maybe a little bit about Shades, Comanche, Rackham and Squabbles). Something We see something similar happened happen on-screen with Jeri when he sarcastically says, "Tell me something I don't know" and she then tells him about the fetus. Kilgrave wouldn't have needed to know about it to ask for generalities if he was just doing general digging. Regarding his specific instructions to Luke for the rest of the action, it would have needed to be careful, but he could have covered everything like this: "If Jessica asks what I know about you, don't mention that I know about your powers. Or that you're Carl Lucas from Georgia. Tell her I didn't ask about them and you didn't volunteer any information. Then, I want you to act like you would normally, except for THIS and THIS and THAT." Kilgrave's been controlling people for over 30 years. He's probably had a lot of trial-and-error over the years to work out how to bury a lot of contingencies in his instructions.



** Also Kilgrave's plan was to trick Jessica. The point was that she would think Kilgrave didn't know Luke had powers and therefore would think Cage was killed in the explosion. If Luke tells Jessica that Kilgrave knew about his powers, then she might get suspicious.
** Not that it would have helped. Jessica was smart enough to make Luke sleep it off in case there was something she wasn't smart enough to figure out on her own. She didn't count on his power boost significantly extending the amount of time he had control of a subject, however.

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** Also Kilgrave's plan was to trick Jessica. The point was that she would He wanted her to think Kilgrave that he didn't know Luke had powers and therefore would think Cage also thought Luke was killed in the explosion. If Luke tells Jessica that Kilgrave knew about his powers, then she might get suspicious.
** Not that it would have helped. Jessica was smart enough to make To Jessica's credit, she made Luke sleep it off just in case there was something she wasn't smart enough to figure out on her own. She didn't count on his power boost significantly extending the amount of time he had control of a subject, however.



** Kilgrave has spent at least a day trying to increase his powers and the drugs he using to do so are clearly working. He did a check the night before and could immediately get people with 100 feet of him to do what he wanted. It's not unrealistic to assume, post-power up, that that hit 300/400 feet radius and that the ability for him to manipulate people now extends to after he has left the room. With this in mind, him to walking through a few floors of a hospital up to the security station and infect the vast majority of people in the place would be plausible.

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** Kilgrave has spent at least a day trying to increase his powers and the drugs he using to do so are clearly working. He did a check the night before and could immediately get people with 100 feet of him to do what he wanted. It's not unrealistic to assume, post-power up, that that hit 300/400 feet radius and that the ability for him to manipulate people now extends to after he has left the room. With this in mind, him to walking through a few floors of a hospital up to the security station and infect infecting the vast majority of people in the place would be plausible.
hospital as he's making his way up to the security station to access a microphone isn't too far-fetched.



** Also, as Kilgrave pointedly remarks to Jessica, he had to learn to be ''very'' precise about his instructions (the "tell a guy to screw himself" scene, I think), which means he would have had to develop considerable powers of observation. On top of everything else, he is also likely to be clinically sociopathic, a group skilled at [[http://blog.teleosleaders.com/2013/07/19/emotional-empathy-and-cognitive-empathy/ cognitive empathy]] while severely lacking in emotional empathy.

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** Also, as Kilgrave pointedly remarks to Jessica, he he's had to learn to be ''very'' precise about his instructions (the "tell a guy to screw himself" scene, I think), which means he would have had to develop considerable powers of observation. On top of everything else, he is also likely to be clinically sociopathic, a group skilled at [[http://blog.teleosleaders.com/2013/07/19/emotional-empathy-and-cognitive-empathy/ cognitive empathy]] while severely lacking in emotional empathy.



** When your average person kills another human being, self-defense or otherwise, it weighs heavily on their soul. It’s a difficult burden to bear. Matt is conflicted about the possibility of having to kill Fisk, Karen still feels the weight of James Wesley's death years after the shooting, and Jessica still carries a lot of guilt years after Reva's death. Therefore, it makes sense that Jessica didn’t go for murder from day one. She exhausted every other option, trap him, get evidence, make him better, reason with him, she tried everything. In the comics, there were a few people that could resist him, but within the universe established in the show, she was the only one who was immune to his abilities. She tried to save Hope, and failed, Trish was the last straw. David Tennant was so good that it can be easy to forget, this is Jessica's story, and Jessica learned that sometimes the right thing isn’t pretty. I actually found it very fitting for her character and character development.

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** When your average person kills another human being, self-defense or otherwise, it weighs heavily on their soul. It’s a difficult burden to bear. Matt is conflicted about the possibility of having to kill Fisk, Karen still feels the weight of the deaths of her brother and James Wesley's death Wesley years after the shooting, they've happened, and Jessica still carries a lot of guilt years after Reva's death. Therefore, it makes sense that Jessica didn’t go for murder from day one. She exhausted every other option, trap him, get evidence, make him better, reason with him, she tried everything. In the comics, there were a few people that could resist him, but within the universe established in the show, she was the only one who was immune to his abilities. She tried to save Hope, and failed, Trish was the last straw. David Tennant was so good that it can be easy to forget, this is Jessica's story, and Jessica learned that sometimes the right thing isn’t pretty. I actually found it very fitting for her character and character development.
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** Because mind control isn't a really obvious power (especially since, unlike Loki's power, Kilgrave's power doesn't leave any visible physical changes on the victim), and even the people who got Kilgraved weren't entirely sure what had happened. Of the few survivors Jessica found, many more either didn't really understand what had happened, or just didn't want to talk about it. Many sexual assaults go unreported because the victims just don't want to talk about it, don't want to report it, don't want to even think about it. [[FridgeHorror And when thinking about the victim-blaming that rape survivors often get, even from people who should know better, trying to explain Kilgrave ramps the whole thing]] UpToEleven.

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** Because mind control isn't a really obvious power (especially since, unlike Loki's power, Kilgrave's power doesn't leave any visible physical changes on the victim), and even the people who got Kilgraved weren't entirely sure what had happened. Of the few survivors Jessica found, many more either didn't really understand what had happened, or just didn't want to talk about it. Many sexual assaults go unreported because the victims just don't want to talk about it, don't want to report it, don't want to even think about it. [[FridgeHorror And when thinking about the victim-blaming that rape survivors often get, even from people who should know better, trying to explain Kilgrave ramps the whole thing]] UpToEleven.up to eleven.



** I don't think Kilgrave is a victim of his own power, I do think he is a result of human nature. Kilgrave suffered horribly as a child when his parents attempted to save his life. His pain to him excused his actions to his parents. One does not need to be taught empathy, empathy is a normal human emotion. But Kilgrave's powers may have blinded him to any other persons' feelings but his own (I mean, we're talking about a kid who basically could order his parents to harm themselves when he had a tantrum). If Kilgrave chose perhaps he could have learned it, but after getting his abilities, decided that only his pain mattered. I also doubt that Jessica saw Kilgrave's 'Humanity' - that is why she tried to find a non lethal solution. Months of time under his control - not to mention him using her to kill Reva and do other nasty things shows off how "humane" he really is. The only reason she tried a non-lethal approach was because keeping Kilgrave alive was necessary to exonerate Hope. The moment Hope took herself out of the equation Jessica snapped Kilgrave neck for being the entitled sociopath he was. As for the casting of Tennant, that may be because he plays creepy guys well (think Barty Crouch Jr. turned UpToEleven), and Kilgrave is the best kind of creep: Human, blaming society and other people for his choices. Blaming his victims for his actions, down playing their pain he causes but magnifying any slights done to him. All too human and all the more terrifying for it.

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** I don't think Kilgrave is a victim of his own power, I do think he is a result of human nature. Kilgrave suffered horribly as a child when his parents attempted to save his life. His pain to him excused his actions to his parents. One does not need to be taught empathy, empathy is a normal human emotion. But Kilgrave's powers may have blinded him to any other persons' feelings but his own (I mean, we're talking about a kid who basically could order his parents to harm themselves when he had a tantrum). If Kilgrave chose perhaps he could have learned it, but after getting his abilities, decided that only his pain mattered. I also doubt that Jessica saw Kilgrave's 'Humanity' - that is why she tried to find a non lethal solution. Months of time under his control - not to mention him using her to kill Reva and do other nasty things shows off how "humane" he really is. The only reason she tried a non-lethal approach was because keeping Kilgrave alive was necessary to exonerate Hope. The moment Hope took herself out of the equation Jessica snapped Kilgrave neck for being the entitled sociopath he was. As for the casting of Tennant, that may be because he plays creepy guys well (think Barty Crouch Jr. turned UpToEleven), up to eleven), and Kilgrave is the best kind of creep: Human, blaming society and other people for his choices. Blaming his victims for his actions, down playing their pain he causes but magnifying any slights done to him. All too human and all the more terrifying for it.



** They did not tell Robyn what had happened because she would react... exactly the way she did. She is a [[KnightTemplarBigBrother Knight Templar Big Sister]] taken UpToEleven. Robyn was already treating Jessica as a child molester simply because Ruben prepared banana bread for her (no matter that she closed the door on his face). Do you think she would be reasonable when they explain things to her? That she would understand that the killer is that Kilgrave man who can control minds, and that Jessica is trying to stop him, even kill him? Probably not. She would put all the blame on Jessica, reasoning that Kilgrave would have never known who Ruben was at all if not for her. Yes, she deserves to know...but ''after'' Kilgrave has been dealt with. That's a full time job, and she can't be dealing with a nutcase in addition to that.

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** They did not tell Robyn what had happened because she would react... exactly the way she did. She is a [[KnightTemplarBigBrother Knight Templar Big Sister]] taken UpToEleven.up to eleven. Robyn was already treating Jessica as a child molester simply because Ruben prepared banana bread for her (no matter that she closed the door on his face). Do you think she would be reasonable when they explain things to her? That she would understand that the killer is that Kilgrave man who can control minds, and that Jessica is trying to stop him, even kill him? Probably not. She would put all the blame on Jessica, reasoning that Kilgrave would have never known who Ruben was at all if not for her. Yes, she deserves to know...but ''after'' Kilgrave has been dealt with. That's a full time job, and she can't be dealing with a nutcase in addition to that.
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** You're seriously asking why ''[[{{Jerkass}} Jessica Jones]]'' failed to communicate effectively with another human being?

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** You're seriously asking why ''[[{{Jerkass}} Jessica Jones]]'' ''Jessica Jones'' failed to communicate effectively with another human being?
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*** Such an app requires access to the phone you wish to track, not just knowing the number in its current SIM card. That's why she had to slip Trish's phone into Simpson's jacket despite the fact he doubtless had a phone of his own. Unless she had unobserved unrestricted access to Kilgrave's phone, in an unlocked state, she wouldn't be able to track it.
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** CharacterizationMarchesOn. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (the first season of ''Luke Cage'' only began filming just before ''Jessica Jones'' season 1 was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on what his characterization would be for his own show. And that's the cause of some of the inconsistencies between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer, and also very prone to swearing. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after troubled youths in Harlem, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets, and more importantly, has strong respect for Pop's SwearJar.

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** CharacterizationMarchesOn. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (the first season of ''Luke Cage'' only began filming just in September 2015, a little over two months before ''Jessica Jones'' season 1 was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on what his characterization would be for his own show. And that's the cause of some of the inconsistencies between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer, and also very prone to swearing. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after troubled youths in Harlem, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets, and more importantly, has strong respect for Pop's SwearJar. Probably the one thing that does seem to have been consistent in the shift is that Luke appears to still be a womanizer during his early months at Harlem's Paradise, although it's more likely that Misty Knight was Luke's first one-night stand since parting ways from Jessica, since Luke was working as a dishwasher by night and only interacted with Misty because he got short-pressed due to Dante calling out sick for the junkyard robbery.
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** Also, from Trish's POV, how effective were the police against the Chitauri? Or Kilgrave? Or Fisk? Or Diamondback? Or The Hand? Or just the general assholes Trish had been dealing with all her life? Like I would presume many people in a universe like this, she has little faith in the existing authorities, but a lot in superheroes, and she's eager to take the opportunity/excuse to go fight evil wholly on her own terms.

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** Also, from Trish's POV, how effective were the police against Kilgrave, Fisk, Diamondback, Mariah, the Chitauri? Or Kilgrave? Or Fisk? Or Diamondback? Or The Hand? Or Hand, or just the general assholes Trish had been dealing with all her life? Like I would presume many people in a universe like this, she has little faith in the existing authorities, but a lot in superheroes, and she's eager to take the opportunity/excuse to go fight evil wholly on her own terms.



*** To start, Frank’s pardon was not a legal and correct thing for him to be given, and it’s not depicted as such. It is blatantly shown to be an underhanded, not-entirely-moral decision that was made thanks to Dinah Madani’s needs and influence. It wasn’t standard procedure, and it happened because… well, it allowed the plot of ''The Punisher'' season 2 to happen. Because from a writing standpoint, having Frank pardoned rather than locked up in a high-security prison was necessary (or at least, much more convenient) for allowing his story to continue.

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*** To start, Frank’s pardon was not a legal and correct thing for him to be given, and it’s not depicted as such. It is blatantly shown to be an underhanded, not-entirely-moral decision that was made thanks to Dinah Madani’s needs and influence. It wasn’t standard procedure, and it happened because… well, it allowed the plot of ''The Punisher'' season 2 to happen. Because from a writing standpoint, having Frank pardoned rather than locked up in a high-security prison was necessary (or at least, much more convenient) for allowing his story to continue.
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** Also, from Trish's POV, how effective were the police against the Chitauri? Or Kilgrave? Or Fisk? Or Diamondback? Or The Hand? Or just the general assholes Trish had been dealing with all her life? Like I would presume many people in a universe like this, she has little faith in the existing authorities, but a lot in superheroes, and she's eager to take the opportunity/excuse to go fight evil wholly on her own terms.
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** CharacterizationMarchesOn. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (the first season of ''Luke Cage'' only began filming just before ''Jessica Jones'' season 1 was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on what his characterization would be for his own show. And that's the cause of some of the inconsistencies between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer, and also very prone to swearing. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after troubled youths in Harlem, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets, and captures the hearts of both Misty Knight and Claire Temple.

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** CharacterizationMarchesOn. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (the first season of ''Luke Cage'' only began filming just before ''Jessica Jones'' season 1 was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on what his characterization would be for his own show. And that's the cause of some of the inconsistencies between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer, and also very prone to swearing. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after troubled youths in Harlem, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets, and captures the hearts of both Misty Knight and Claire Temple.more importantly, has strong respect for Pop's SwearJar.



** They did not tell Robyn what had happened because she would react... exactly the way she did. She is a [[KnightTemplarBigBrother Knight Templar Big Sister]] taken UpToEleven. Robyn was already treating Jessica as a child molester simply because Ruben prepared banana bread for her (no matter that she closed the door on his face). Do you think she would be reasonable when they explain things to her? That she would understand that the killer is that Kilgrave man who can control minds, and that Jessica is trying to stop him, even kill him? No way! She would put all the blame on Jessica, reasoning that Kilgrave would have never been in the apartment at all if not for her. Yes, she deserves to know...but ''after'' Kilgrave has been dealt with. That's a full time job, and she can't be dealing with a nutcase in addition to that.

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** They did not tell Robyn what had happened because she would react... exactly the way she did. She is a [[KnightTemplarBigBrother Knight Templar Big Sister]] taken UpToEleven. Robyn was already treating Jessica as a child molester simply because Ruben prepared banana bread for her (no matter that she closed the door on his face). Do you think she would be reasonable when they explain things to her? That she would understand that the killer is that Kilgrave man who can control minds, and that Jessica is trying to stop him, even kill him? No way! Probably not. She would put all the blame on Jessica, reasoning that Kilgrave would have never been in the apartment known who Ruben was at all if not for her. Yes, she deserves to know...but ''after'' Kilgrave has been dealt with. That's a full time job, and she can't be dealing with a nutcase in addition to that.



** Despite knowing Jessica's story, Trish has never actually seen someone under Kilgrave's influence. She was potentially expecting Simpson to be an impostor, not a full-fledged cop under a compulsion to kill her. That's why she asked him to show his ID to placate her, yet was still wary enough to have a baton at the ready. She was also clearly concerned that his reason for being at her door (the fan she'd attacked pressing charges) was real, and being sued for assault would ''not'' be good PR for ''Trish Talk''. In addition, her Krav Maga training probably made her confident that she could defend herself, had Simpson not turned out to be legit. And despite Simpson being a former Special Forces soldier (who probably knew some Krav Maga or similar) with superior strength and reach, she put up a fairly decent defense. Had her assailant been a random uniform, she'd probably have subdued him.

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** Despite knowing Jessica's story, Trish has never actually seen someone under Kilgrave's influence. She was potentially expecting Simpson to be an impostor, not a full-fledged cop under a compulsion to kill her. That's why she asked him to show his ID to placate her, yet was still wary enough to have a baton at the ready. She was also clearly concerned that his reason for being at her door (the fan she'd attacked pressing charges) was real, and being sued for assault would ''not'' be good PR for ''Trish Talk''. In addition, her Krav Maga training probably made her confident that she could defend herself, had Simpson not turned out to be legit. And despite Simpson being a former Special Forces soldier (who probably knew some Krav Maga or similar) with superior strength and reach, she put up a fairly decent defense. Had her assailant been a random uniform, cop, she'd probably have subdued him.



** Jessica doesn't know Matt or Foggy, she knows Jeri. And Brett generally didn't reach out to Foggy, he just gave Foggy intel when he came asking for it. By the time Brett told Foggy about the case, Jeri would already be on the case, and with her reputation as one of the most high profile lawyers in the city, and without standing to replace her even if they wanted to, Matt and Foggy would probably not have much of a chance to replace Jeri. If Matt wanted information on the case, he probably asked Foggy to hit up Brett or Marci for information. Brett was one of the cops that Kilgrave controlled when he visited the precinct, and given how cops like Detective Costa remember what happened even more than a year later, one imagines that Brett must have mentioned Kilgrave's visit in conversation with Matt or Foggy after the fact. (In fact, this probably was the case, seeing as when Matt met Jessica in ''The Defenders'', he said he'd looked into her experience with Kilgrave, and that research may have included a visit to Brett to get everything the NYPD had connected to Kilgrave.)
** You're ethically not allowed to solicit cases in person (obviously that would never stop Matt and Foggy if they had taken Hope's case, but Hogarth would absolutely pursue ethical violations). You also can't talk to represented parties of another lawyer without that lawyer being present in the room. On top of that, Matt and Foggy really only had one case under their belt (granted, the whole fracas with Wilson Fisk was way too high stakes for a new startup firm) while Hogarth is one of the top lawyers in New York City.

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** Even though Nelson & Murdock probably had a lot of public exposure from bringing down Wilson Fisk, Jessica doesn't know Matt or Foggy, them, she knows Jeri. And Brett generally didn't reach out to Foggy, he just gave Foggy intel when he came asking for it. By the time Brett told Foggy about the case, Jeri would already be on the case, and with her reputation as one of the most high profile lawyers in the city, and without standing to replace her even if they wanted to, Matt and Foggy would probably not have much of a chance to replace Jeri. If Matt wanted information on the case, he probably asked Foggy to hit up Brett or Marci for information. Brett was one of the cops that Kilgrave controlled when he visited the precinct, and given how cops like Detective Costa remember what happened even more than a year later, one imagines that Brett must have mentioned Kilgrave's visit in conversation with Matt or Foggy after the fact. (In fact, this probably was the case, seeing as when Matt met Jessica in ''The Defenders'', he said he'd looked into her experience with Kilgrave, and that research may have included a visit to Brett to get everything the NYPD had on the crimes connected to Kilgrave.)
** You're ethically not allowed to solicit cases in person (obviously that would never stop Matt and Foggy if they had taken Hope's case, but Hogarth would absolutely try use influence with the Bar Association to pursue ethical violations). You violations against them). You're also can't not allowed to talk to represented parties of another lawyer without that lawyer being present in the room. room[[note]]See Matt's visit to Fisk in prison in ''Daredevil'' season 2: Matt has to sign an NDA with Fisk's attorney before he's even allowed to see Fisk[[/note]]. On top of that, Matt and Foggy really only had one case under their belt (granted, the whole fracas with Wilson Fisk was way too high stakes for a new startup firm) while Hogarth is one of the top lawyers in New York City.



** Sadly, it's very common for a lot of celebrity child abuse to be forgotten or ignored by the public. There is a lot of "What are they complaining about?" mentality since the kids are famous and rich, and it's assumed that it can't be that bad. Especially for celebrity women, who are hounded by the tabloids who will make mountains out of molehills if it makes a good story. So, Trish being abused by her mother and publicly acting out can easily be sold as "Look at what a trainwreck bitch this former child star has become!" For comparison, look at the Britney Spears "meltdown" from 2007 where she was so publicly "crazy", when the reality is that she was trying to break out of control from her handlers and didn't even do anything more extreme than shaving her hair. Given that Trish did have a serious drug problem during her pop singer days, and which she relapsed into during season 2 when she got Simpson's inhaler, it wouldn't be hard at all for the public to view her as the villain of the relationship as the spoiled brat who got out of control.

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** Sadly, it's very common for a lot of celebrity child abuse to be forgotten or ignored by the public. There is a lot of "What are they complaining about?" mentality since the kids are famous and rich, and it's assumed that it can't be that bad. Especially for celebrity women, who are hounded by the tabloids who will make mountains out of molehills if it makes a good story. gets them clicks. So, Trish being abused by her mother and publicly acting out can easily be sold as "Look at what a trainwreck bitch this former child star has become!" For comparison, look at the Wouldn't be that different from Britney Spears Spears' "meltdown" from in 2007 where she was so publicly "crazy", when the reality is that she was trying to break out of control from her handlers and didn't even do anything more extreme than shaving her hair. Given that Trish did have a serious drug problem during her pop singer days, and which she relapsed into during season 2 when she got Simpson's inhaler, it wouldn't be hard at all for the public to view her as the villain of the relationship as the spoiled brat who got out of control.



** Let's look at what she has: dead parents, little brother and an incredible trauma. In real world, she would probably go into a foster home, suffer from PTSD, lead a pretty bleak life. In a comic world, this is a great base for a dark hero.

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** Let's look at what she has: dead parents, little brother and an incredible trauma. In real world, she She would probably go into a foster home, suffer from PTSD, and lead a pretty bleak life.life, one where she'd probably have to change her name because of all the publicity surrounding the case. In a comic world, this is a great base for a dark hero.



** During the scene, Dale seems absolutely delighted to find Jessica invading his home. He comes off to some degree like one of those gun-toting NRA members who buys a gun to defend their house with and then secretly hopes that somebody breaks in just so they have an excuse to legally shoot someone with it.

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** During the scene, Dale seems absolutely delighted to find Jessica invading his home. He comes off to some degree like one of those gun-toting NRA members whackjobs who buys a gun to defend their house with and then secretly hopes that somebody breaks in just so they have an excuse to legally shoot someone with it.



** Jessica is not popular among the NYPD, especially as a super powered person. Besides the whole Kilgrave ordeal, the NYPD also know that Jessica was involved in the events at Midland Circle that led to Misty Knight getting critically injured, and although it's not Jessica's fault that Misty lost her arm, you can imagine some in the NYPD not being happy that Luke, Jessica or Danny faced no charges for what happened, and want someone to pay for Misty's injuries. The cops were letting their bias cloud their judgement.
** This takes place right at the crime scene and the evidence is as follows: Nick, who works for a rival of Jessica's, was beaten to death by a superpowered woman right in front of Jessica's office. It would be rather neglectful of the NYPD to not consider Jessica a prime suspect and take her into custody. The examination of further evidence takes some time, but the cops do watch the camera footage and learn that it was not Jessica, so she's cleared.

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** Jessica is not popular among the NYPD, especially as a super powered person. Besides the whole Kilgrave ordeal, the NYPD also know that Jessica was involved in the events at Midland Circle that led to which ended in Misty Knight getting being critically injured, and although injured. Although it's not Jessica's fault that Misty lost her arm, you can imagine some in the NYPD not being happy that Luke, Jessica or Danny faced no criminal charges for what happened, and want someone to pay for Misty's injuries. The cops were letting their bias cloud their judgement.
** This takes place right at the crime scene and the evidence is as follows: Nick, who works for a rival of Jessica's, was beaten to death by a superpowered woman right in front of Jessica's office. It would be rather neglectful of the NYPD to not consider Jessica a prime suspect and take her into custody.person of interest to be questioned. The examination of further evidence takes some time, but the cops do watch the camera footage and learn that it was not Jessica, so she's cleared.



** This sort of attitude could partially be a reason in ''Daredevil'' season 3 why Foggy chose to restart Nelson & Murdock once he and Matt decided to use Ray Nadeem as a witness.

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** It makes sense that Dr. Malus's procedure might have amped up Jessica's aggression to a certain degree, but she has also been given plenty of reasons to build emotional walls all on her own. In the grand scheme of things, most of Jessica’s attitude is probably a result of her life experiences. The biggest clue here is the flashbacks in both seasons. The Season 1 flashbacks show that prior to crossing paths with Kilgrave, Jessica seemed happy, cheerful, and willing to open up to people. The same is true of college-age Jessica in the Season 2 flashbacks. The story has presented Jessica as an inherently caring person who has had her spirit shredded by a succession of traumas that have turned her hard and bitter and angry. Kilgrave largely is to blame for this. The huge personality difference between post-Kilgrave Jessica and pre-Kilgrave (but still post-accident) Jessica suggests that Kilgrave had far more of an impact on her attitude than Dr. Malus's operations. Jessica's drinking is a little bit harder to parse, because she drank quite a bit even before Kilgrave. It’s very possible that this could correlate with anger/pain/depression stemming from Dr. Malus’s procedure. She certainly wasn’t all rainbows and butterflies at that point either, given a season 1 flashback where she's asking Trish on the phone, "Would you put day-drinking under 'experience' or 'special skills'?"

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** It makes sense that Dr. Malus's procedure might have amped up Jessica's aggression to a certain degree, but she has also been given plenty of reasons to build emotional walls all on her own. In the grand scheme of things, most of Jessica’s attitude is probably a result of her life experiences. The biggest clue here is the flashbacks in both seasons. The Season 1 flashbacks show that prior to crossing paths with Kilgrave, Jessica seemed happy, cheerful, and willing to open up to people. The same is true of college-age Jessica in the Season 2 flashbacks. The story has presented Jessica as an inherently caring person who has had her spirit shredded by a succession of traumas that have turned her hard and bitter and angry. Kilgrave largely is to blame for this. The huge personality difference between post-Kilgrave Jessica "post-Kilgrave Jessica" and pre-Kilgrave "pre-Kilgrave (but still post-accident) Jessica Jessica" suggests that Kilgrave had far more of an impact on her attitude than Dr. Malus's operations. Jessica's drinking is a little bit harder to parse, because she drank quite was clearly a bit heavy drinker even before Kilgrave. It’s very possible that this could correlate with anger/pain/depression stemming from Dr. Malus’s procedure. She certainly wasn’t all rainbows and butterflies at that point either, given a season 1 flashback where she's asking Trish on the phone, "Would you put day-drinking under 'experience' or 'special skills'?"



** One thing people seriously misunderstand is the complexity of Trish’s decision to kill Jessica’s mother. The show makes it clear that there was no other way for that story to end: Alisa Jones had to die. What makes it wrong is not necessarily the act itself, but the fact that it was Trish that pulled the trigger, as it’s a betrayal of the friendship and love that she shares with Jessica. That’s why when they reconcile in episode 5 of season 3, Trish says, “I wish I didn't kill your mom,” and Jessica responds with “I wish she wasnt a mass murderer.” Trish is acknowledging that she betrayed their relationship by killing Jessica’s mom, and Jessica is acknowledging that her mother was a danger to society and that she was living in a delusion by thinking they could ever have a happy life together. This is why they are able to move past this act; they both understand where the other was coming from. Trish is supposed to have killed Alisa for reasons that were both selfish and selfless at the same time. On the one hand, her actions were certainly driven by her incessant need to “do good” and “be a hero.” On the other hand, there was a scene where she was told by Detective Costa that if Jessica was with her mother and would not give her up, the police would shoot her on sight. Both reasons contributed to her decision, however the selfish reasons are much more in your face than the selfless ones.

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** One thing people seriously misunderstand is the complexity of Trish’s decision to kill Jessica’s mother. The show makes it clear that there was no other way for that story to end: Alisa Jones had to die. What makes it wrong is not necessarily the act itself, but the fact that it was Trish that pulled the trigger, as it’s a betrayal of the friendship and love that she shares with Jessica. That’s why when they reconcile in episode 5 of season 3, Trish says, “I wish I didn't kill your mom,” and Jessica responds with “I wish she wasnt a mass murderer.” Trish is acknowledging that she betrayed their relationship by killing Jessica’s mom, and Jessica is acknowledging that her mother was a danger to society and that she was living in a delusion by thinking they could ever have a happy life together. This is why they are able to move past this act; they both understand where the other was coming from. Trish is supposed to have killed Alisa for reasons that were both selfish and selfless at the same time. On the one hand, her actions were certainly driven by her incessant need to “do good” and “be a hero.” On the other hand, there was a scene where she was told by Detective Costa that if Jessica was with her mother and would not give her up, the police would shoot her on sight. Both reasons contributed to her decision, however the writers made it so that the selfish reasons are much more in your face than the selfless ones.
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*** Perhaps a bigger factor in play: Trish has superpowers and Frank does not. We haven’t seen this as much in the MCU as we have in the comics, but in general, superpowered people are treated as much more threatening than non-powered people, even if their powers aren’t particularly potent or dangerous. Just look how mutants are treated in the comics. Frank is far more deadly than Trish, but in the eyes of law enforcement, he's still just your standard serial killer. He’s human. He kills people in normal, human ways. But Trish is something more, and they don’t know what she’s capable of. This is why both she and Alisa are sent to the Raft, which was specifically designed to hold people with powers. [[FridgeHorror In fact]], if Hogarth wasn’t such a skilled lawyer, and/or if Kilgrave hadn’t also had superpowers, Jessica probably would have risked ending up in the Raft herself after the events of Season 1.

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*** Perhaps a bigger factor in play: Trish has superpowers and Frank does not. We haven’t seen this as much in the MCU as we have in the comics, but in general, superpowered people are treated as much more threatening than non-powered people, even if their powers aren’t particularly potent or dangerous. Just look how mutants are treated in the comics. Frank is far more deadly deadlier than Trish, but in the eyes of law enforcement, he's still just your standard serial killer. He’s human. He kills people in normal, human ways. But Trish is something more, and they don’t know what she’s capable of. This is why both she and Alisa are sent to the Raft, which was specifically designed to hold people with powers. [[FridgeHorror In fact]], if Hogarth wasn’t such a skilled lawyer, and/or if Kilgrave hadn’t also had superpowers, Jessica probably would have risked ending up in the Raft herself after the events of Season 1.
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** Kilgrave probably just asked, "Is there anything that would be important for me to know?" or "What would you like to keep a secret?" and Luke Cage would have told him A) about his powers, B) that his real name is Carl Lucas, and C) he's on the run from the law (B and C are irrelevant, but if that's what Kilgrave asked, Luke would have surely mentioned them). Something similar happened on-screen with Jeri when he sarcastically says, "Tell me something I don't know" and she then tells him about the fetus. Kilgrave wouldn't have needed to know about it to ask for generalities if he was just doing general digging. Regarding his specific instructions to Luke for the rest of the action, it would have needed to be careful, but he could have covered everything like this: "If Jessica asks what I know about you, don't mention that I know about your powers. Or that you're Carl Lucas from Georgia. Tell her I didn't ask about them and you didn't volunteer any information. Then, I want you to act like you would normally, except for THIS and THIS and THAT." Kilgrave's been controlling people for over 30 years. He's probably had a lot of trial-and-error over the years to work out how to bury a lot of contingencies in his instructions.

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** Kilgrave probably just asked, "Is there anything that would be important for me to know?" or "What would you like to keep a secret?" and Luke Cage would have told him A) about his powers, B) that his real name is Carl Lucas, and C) he's on the run from the law (B and C are irrelevant, but if that's what Kilgrave asked, Luke would have surely mentioned them).them and maybe a little bit about Shades, Comanche, Rackham and Squabbles). Something similar happened on-screen with Jeri when he sarcastically says, "Tell me something I don't know" and she then tells him about the fetus. Kilgrave wouldn't have needed to know about it to ask for generalities if he was just doing general digging. Regarding his specific instructions to Luke for the rest of the action, it would have needed to be careful, but he could have covered everything like this: "If Jessica asks what I know about you, don't mention that I know about your powers. Or that you're Carl Lucas from Georgia. Tell her I didn't ask about them and you didn't volunteer any information. Then, I want you to act like you would normally, except for THIS and THIS and THAT." Kilgrave's been controlling people for over 30 years. He's probably had a lot of trial-and-error over the years to work out how to bury a lot of contingencies in his instructions.
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** Let's look at what she has: dead parents, little brother and an incredible trauma. In real world, she would probably go into a foster home, suffer from PTSD, lead a pretty bleak life. In a comic world, this is a great base for a dark hero.
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***That should have little to do with it. There is no bond that is just inherently stronger than another. Jessica has spent the last 17 years with Trish. She doesn't know her mother at all, except for the fact that she’s a crazy, cold-blooded murderer. In fact, she acknowledges this and condemns her for it all the way until the last episode, when all of a sudden she backtracks on all the principles she’s believed in throughout the entirety of seasons 1 and 2.
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*** Kilgrave is really narcissistic. Maybe not literally Narcissistic Personality Disorder specifically, but at the very least close enough. Narcissists legitimately struggle to understand other people's points of view, and often express disappointment or anger at people not indulging them (and often specifically deride any such behaviour as either stupid, or dishonest, or done just to spite them, specifically). To a narcissist, people not liking them or people disagreeing with them is genuinely difficult to understand, it's not just an act. Even therapy of narcissism hits the roadblock of the narcissist strongly believing they don't ''need'' therapy because they're fine. Great, even. It's everyone else that's prone to acting weird and childish and irrational. Now take a narcissist that can ''force'' people to play into their delusions, and you pretty much get Kilgrave.
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*** While Kilgrave is probably safe from most threats to his life (it's hard to kill someone instantly, and most people would not shoot him for no reason), he's able to force people to do (and want to do) whatever he says. That does not mean, as the belligerent guy at the poker game shows, that people automatically like or respect him. It's possible that when he was younger and relying on his powers and nothing else, he had incidents when a person he controlled was smart enough to think "hey, this guy keeps telling me what to do! What an asshole!". It's possible Kilgrave had a few unpleasant situations where an angry victim punched him in the face or something (before he ordered them to kill themselves). It would've been more than enough for him to learn to read people - if nothing else, learning people skills would give him a feel for when people were a threat to him and ''needed'' to be commanded with his powers.
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** Because mind control isn't a really obvious power (especially since, unlike Loki's power, Kilgrave's power doesn't leave any visible physical changes on the victim), and even the people who got Kilgraved weren't entirely sure what had happened. Of the few survivors Jessica found, many more either didn't really understand what had happened, or just didn't want to talk about it. This is partially truth-in-television: many real-life sexual assaults go unreported because the victims just don't want to talk about it, don't want to report it, don't want to even think about it. [[FridgeHorror And when thinking about the victim-blaming real life rape survivors often get, even from people who should know better, trying to explain Kilgrave ramps the whole thing]] UpToEleven.

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** Because mind control isn't a really obvious power (especially since, unlike Loki's power, Kilgrave's power doesn't leave any visible physical changes on the victim), and even the people who got Kilgraved weren't entirely sure what had happened. Of the few survivors Jessica found, many more either didn't really understand what had happened, or just didn't want to talk about it. This is partially truth-in-television: many real-life Many sexual assaults go unreported because the victims just don't want to talk about it, don't want to report it, don't want to even think about it. [[FridgeHorror And when thinking about the victim-blaming real life that rape survivors often get, even from people who should know better, trying to explain Kilgrave ramps the whole thing]] UpToEleven.



** I think the exchange when Jessica seeks out Clemons after getting Kilgrave to the hermetically sealed room explains it all:

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** ...meaning, the cops ''did'' remember everything that happened. Kilgrave said, "I can't erase memories, but I can erase security footage." Once the laugh riot died, they immediately sobered up and the officers realized that since the security footage of Kilgrave had been erased, they'd have to provide some explanation, and realized "A Caucasian male in his early 40s with dark hair, a purple shirt and a British accent walked into the precinct and made us all point our weapons at each other or our own heads" isn't going to fly, especially when the video footage that could back them up has been erased. So they decided amongst themselves "If anyone asks, Evans pulled a hilarious prank," and moved on. The trauma of being under Kilgrave's control probably didn't last long, as Brett seems to be back to business as usual when we see him again in season 2 of ''Daredevil''.

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** ...meaning, the cops ''did'' remember everything that happened. Kilgrave even said, "I can't erase memories, but I can erase security footage." Once the laugh riot died, they immediately sobered up and the officers realized that since the security footage of Kilgrave had been erased, they'd have to provide some explanation, and realized "A Caucasian male British man in his early 40s with dark hair, a purple shirt and a British accent hair walked into the precinct and made us all point our weapons guns at each other or our own heads" isn't going to fly, especially when the video footage that could back them up has been erased. So they decided amongst themselves "If anyone asks, Evans pulled a hilarious prank," and moved on. The trauma of being under Kilgrave's control probably didn't last long, as Brett seems to be back to business as usual when we see him again in season 2 of ''Daredevil''.



** Sadly, it's very common for a lot of celebrity child abuse to be forgotten or ignored by the public. In real life there is a lot of "What are they complaining about?" mentality since the kids are famous and rich, and it's assumed that it can't be that bad. Especially for celebrity women, who are hounded by the tabloids who will make mountains out of molehills if it makes a good story. So, Trish being abused by her mother and publicly acting out can easily be sold as "Look at what a trainwreck bitch this former child star has become!" For comparison, look at the Britney Spears "meltdown" from 2007 where she was so publicly "crazy", when the reality is that she was trying to break out of control from her handlers and didn't even do anything more extreme than shaving her hair. Given that Trish did have a serious drug problem during her pop singer days, and which she relapsed into during season 2 when she got Simpson's inhaler, it wouldn't be hard at all for the public to view her as the villain of the relationship as the spoiled brat who got out of control.

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** Sadly, it's very common for a lot of celebrity child abuse to be forgotten or ignored by the public. In real life there There is a lot of "What are they complaining about?" mentality since the kids are famous and rich, and it's assumed that it can't be that bad. Especially for celebrity women, who are hounded by the tabloids who will make mountains out of molehills if it makes a good story. So, Trish being abused by her mother and publicly acting out can easily be sold as "Look at what a trainwreck bitch this former child star has become!" For comparison, look at the Britney Spears "meltdown" from 2007 where she was so publicly "crazy", when the reality is that she was trying to break out of control from her handlers and didn't even do anything more extreme than shaving her hair. Given that Trish did have a serious drug problem during her pop singer days, and which she relapsed into during season 2 when she got Simpson's inhaler, it wouldn't be hard at all for the public to view her as the villain of the relationship as the spoiled brat who got out of control.



*** Familial bonds between Alisa and Jessica, not Alisa and Trish. It is also possible Alisa set up the meeting to find out how much Trish knew before killing her. If she cornered Trish in her Apartment that would have run a risk of not getting honest answers from a panicked Trish. Her statement to Jessica about how she was going to reveal everything to Trish would hold more weight if not for two things. One, as stated before Dr Malus is the second most important man in her life and she would do anything to protect him and has. Trish, with all her digging is a direct threat to that. Alisa has shown no mercy towards anyone or hesitation when his welfare was involved. Two, she told Jessica she would never harm Trish. But this was only after her identity was revealed by Jessica going after her. It comes off more as she was attempting to placate her daughter than honesty on her part. Also remember the anger when Jessica showed up at the meeting she planned with Trish? That was the look of a person whose plan went FUBAR more than anything. Even evading Jessica she was brutal and efficient but there was a look of anger on her face. Which brings up another possibility. Even if she was being truthful, Alisa has a short fuse with bloody consequences. In a booth with Trish who keeps demanding more and more answers? As said before one way or another, planned or not Trish would have died.

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*** Familial bonds between Alisa and Jessica, not Alisa and Trish. It is also possible Alisa set up the meeting to find out how much Trish knew before killing her. If she cornered Trish in her Apartment apartment, that would have run a risk of not getting honest answers from a panicked Trish. Her statement to Jessica about how she was going to reveal everything to Trish would hold more weight if not for two things. One, as stated before Dr Malus is the second most important man in her life and she would do anything to protect him and has. Trish, with all her digging is a direct threat to that. Alisa has shown no mercy towards anyone or hesitation when his welfare was involved. Two, she told Jessica she would never harm Trish. But this was only after her identity was revealed by Jessica going after her. It comes off more as she was attempting to placate her daughter than honesty on her part. Also remember the anger when Jessica showed up at the meeting she planned with Trish? That was the look of a person whose plan went FUBAR more than anything. Even evading Jessica she was brutal and efficient but there was a look of anger on her face. Which brings up another possibility. Even if she was being truthful, Alisa has a short fuse with bloody consequences. In a booth with Trish who keeps demanding more and more answers? As said before one way or another, planned or not Trish would have died.



** Humans aren't robots that think completely logically. They have emotions that are very hard to control or even understand. Just look at all the things people in real life do for family. Look at blood feuds, wars have been fought because one family's ancestor insulted the honor of another family's ancestor. Look at families with sociopathic members. Parents continue to support sociopathic children even when they know they're being manipulated. There are people willing to take the blame for crimes committed by family members. The bond of blood is very strong socially, psychologically, and emotionally, and stronger than that of adopted relatives. Despite the huge gap in time and all the bad things her mother did, Alisa was still the first person Jessica ever loved unconditionally as family. That transcends a lot of the other stuff. So while Jessica's attitude towards Trish was not rational, the reality is that Jessica had actually stopped being rational the moment she agreed to help her mother escape. She had kinda snapped from logic and was in the throes of the romantic idea that they could get away and make up for the lost time that she's been so hurting over and yearning for 17 years. That's a powerful blinder to rational decision-making. So in that moment, she wasn't thinking about Trish as her long-time adoptive sister, she was only seeing Trish as the person who tore the last of her family away from her after she had given into the StockholmSyndrome of going along with Alisa's half-baked escape plan. Jessica is broken in that moment and not capable of being rational.

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** Humans aren't robots that think completely logically. They have emotions that are very hard to control or even understand. Just look at all the things people in real life do for family. Look at blood feuds, wars have been fought because one family's ancestor insulted the honor of another family's ancestor. Look at families with sociopathic members. Parents continue to support sociopathic children even when they know they're being manipulated. There are people willing to take the blame for crimes committed by family members. The bond of blood is very strong socially, psychologically, and emotionally, and stronger than that of adopted relatives. Despite the huge gap in time and all the bad things her mother did, Alisa was still the first person Jessica ever loved unconditionally as family. That transcends a lot of the other stuff. So while Jessica's attitude towards Trish was not rational, the reality is that Jessica had actually stopped being rational the moment she agreed to help her mother escape. She had kinda snapped from logic and was in the throes of the romantic idea that they could get away and make up for the lost time that she's been so hurting over and yearning for 17 years. That's a powerful blinder to rational decision-making. So in that moment, she wasn't thinking about Trish as her long-time adoptive sister, she was only seeing Trish as the person who tore the last of her family away from her after she had given into the StockholmSyndrome of going along with Alisa's half-baked escape plan. Jessica is broken in that moment and not capable of being rational.

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* Episode 8 ends with [[spoiler: Jessica's old, mind-controlled neighbor blowing up herself along with Simpson and his buddies.]] Kilgrave was hit by the anesthetic. I was under the impression that the certain anesthetic negated his mind control. So [[spoiler: the neighbor shouldn't have any reason to blow herself up]], or am I mistaking something?

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* The term "gifted" as a euphemism to refer to people with superpowers was an internal S.H.I.E.L.D. nomenclature, one that they've since abandoned in favor of "enhanced" and "Inhuman". At first glance the fact that everyone in New York City is familiar with it could be attributed to Black Widow dumping all of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s files onto the internet during ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', but then in a flashback, teenage Trish uses it at least a 15 years before the events of the show.

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* The term "gifted" as a euphemism to refer to people with superpowers was an internal S.H.I.E.L.D. nomenclature, one that they've since abandoned in favor of "enhanced" and "Inhuman". At first glance the fact that everyone in New York City is familiar with it could be attributed to Black Widow dumping all of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s files onto the internet during ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', but then in a flashback, teenage Trish uses it at least a 15 years before the events of the show.



* So, the [[Recap/JessicaJones2015S1E9AKASinBin recap]] for Episode 9 says TheReveal that Jessica's immune to Kilgrave...but hadn't this whole thing started being that she wasn't immune to him? What happened? Note: I don't have Netflix, but I'm curious about this.
** Jessica managed to break through Kilgrave's control in the past after he made her do something particularly traumatic. She escaped but didn't realize she had permanently overcome his influence. Jessica (and the audience) still worry that Kilgrave could control her at any time so the reveal that he can't is a big deal. However, Kilgrave points out that he knew all along (which is why he spends so much time trying to get Jessica to be with him willingly) and thought Jessica was very slow on the uptake.
** So the particularly traumatic event (do we find out what it was?) was so traumatic that it actually broke his power over her?
** I assumed that killing Reeva was so traumatic to Jessica that she snapped and went into extreme dissociation. Kilgrave's commands didn't effect her because she couldn't comprehend that he was talking to her then he got hit by a bus and couldn't give commands anymore. But this doesn't explain why her immunity lasted past that incident.

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* So, So it's revealed in the [[Recap/JessicaJones2015S1E9AKASinBin recap]] for Episode 9 says TheReveal ninth episode that Jessica's immune to Kilgrave...but hadn't this whole thing started being that she wasn't immune to him? What happened? Note: I don't have Netflix, but I'm curious about this.
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** Jessica managed to break through Kilgrave's control in the past after he made her do something particularly traumatic.kill Reva. She escaped but didn't realize she had permanently overcome his influence. Jessica (and the audience) still worry that Kilgrave could control her at any time so the reveal that he can't is a big deal. However, Kilgrave points out in the next episode that he knew all along (which is why he spends so much time trying to get Jessica to be with him willingly) and thought Jessica was very slow on the uptake.
** So the particularly traumatic event (do we find out what it was?) was so traumatic that it actually broke his power over her?
** I assumed that killing Reeva
Killing Reva was so traumatic to Jessica that she snapped and went into extreme dissociation. Kilgrave's commands didn't effect affect her because she couldn't comprehend that he was talking to her then he got hit by a bus and couldn't give commands anymore. But this doesn't explain why her immunity lasted past that incident.



** The precise mechanism of Jessica's immunity is left vague. Since Kilgrave's power is ultimately revealed to be carried in a virus that he secretes, my personal headcanon is that Jessica was able to overcome it as a result of her immune system adapting to the virus over the year (or more) he controlled her. It is possible that Kilgrave had never continuously controlled anyone else for that long since he usually prefers to use and discard people over the course of days or weeks at the most, or that Jessica's superpowers allowed her to develop resistance when removed from his influence for an extended period where a normal human could not.

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** The precise mechanism of Jessica's immunity is left vague. Since Kilgrave's power is ultimately revealed to be carried in a virus that he secretes, my personal headcanon is it's more likely that Jessica was able to overcome it as a result of her immune system adapting to the virus over the year (or more) he controlled her. It is possible that Kilgrave had never continuously controlled anyone else for that long since he usually prefers to use and discard people over the course of days or weeks at the most, or that Jessica's superpowers allowed her to develop resistance when removed from his influence for an extended period where a normal human could not.



** There may be a line between abuse dealt to self and abuse dealt to others. Most of the Kilgraved victims on the show are seen doing or accepting damage to themselves. IIRC the only two cases of victims directly attacking someone else on order are Simpson and the penthouse couple. Simpson was a former soldier and probably familiar with killing and may find it less traumatic than the average citizen. The penthouse couple, though apparently given the same order, executed differently when one kills himself while the other did the murder, possibly due to dissimilar trauma tolerance. Alternately, it may just be Jessica's saving grace that she regards murder of an innocent as so wrong that it shocks her to break.

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** There may be a line between abuse dealt to self and abuse dealt to others. Most of the Kilgraved Kilgrave's victims on the show are seen doing or accepting damage to themselves. IIRC the only two The cases of victims directly attacking someone else on order orders are Simpson and Simpson, the penthouse couple.couple, and Luke. Simpson was a former soldier and probably familiar with killing and may find it less traumatic than the average citizen. The penthouse couple, though apparently given the same order, executed differently when one kills himself while the other did the murder, possibly due to dissimilar trauma tolerance. Alternately, it may just be Jessica's saving grace that she regards murder of an innocent as so wrong that it shocks her to break.



** Also note from what we see Jessica may have been under Kilgrave's control longer than anyone. Usually, he seems to get bored of one toy and discard it when no longer useful or fun (like the two women he discarded when they first met) or kills them to cover his tracks . Kilgrave's obsessiveness with Jessica may be down to time spent together. In flashbacks, we see that they spent time enough together that, in his twisted mind, it counted as his first real relationship. His other toys never lasted that long before he disposed of or forgot about them. Considering that Jessica spent months under the influence of the virus, now add in her superhuman physiology. It is possible that she even has regenerative capabilities, in one episode she got shot in the arm and was seemingly none the worse for wear a few days later. So we have a person who has been under Kilgrave's intense influence for months. Add to that her advanced metabolism that allows her to drink like a fish and be none the worse for it. You have a woman who is building a tolerance to the mind control virus bit by bit. The trauma of killing an innocent person may have been the adrenal shock to her system her body needed to shake free of the virus' influence once and for all. Remember, Kilgrave pretty much had to control her 24/7, that is a lot of exposure to his virus. Enough time to build a tolerance to it. Her PTSD may have prevented her realizing later that was why she was able to walk away from him that night.

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** Also note from what we see Jessica may have been under Kilgrave's control longer than anyone. Usually, he seems to get bored of one toy and discard it when no longer useful or fun (like the two women he discarded when they first met) or kills them to cover his tracks . Kilgrave's obsessiveness with Jessica may be down to time spent together. In flashbacks, we see that they spent time enough together that, in his twisted mind, it counted as his first real relationship. His other toys never lasted that long before he disposed of or forgot about them. Considering that Jessica spent months under the influence of the virus, now add in her superhuman physiology. It is possible that she even has regenerative fast healing capabilities, in one episode since she got shot in the arm and by Audrey in episode 4, but was seemingly none the worse for wear a few days later. So we have a person who has been under Kilgrave's intense influence for months. Add to that her advanced metabolism that allows her to drink like a fish and be none the worse for it. You have a woman who is building a tolerance to the mind control virus bit by bit. The trauma of killing an innocent person may have been the adrenal shock to her system her body needed to shake free of the virus' influence once and for all. Remember, Kilgrave pretty much had to control her 24/7, that is a lot of exposure to his virus. Enough time to build a tolerance to it. Her PTSD may have prevented her realizing later that was why she was able to walk away from him that night.



** To add to the original point, Kilgrave wanted the house legally. If the seller indeed had his Kilgrave control (TM) worn off, he'd go straight to the authorities to try to get the house back, attracting undue attention to Kilgrave. And while controlling one or two people was fine for him then, he sure as heck couldn't have commanded a jury to forget his existence and the fact that some British dude in purple talked a man out of his house and was living there in his stead.

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** To add to the original point, Kilgrave wanted the house legally. If the seller indeed had his Kilgrave control (TM) worn off, he'd go straight to the authorities to try to get the house back, attracting undue attention to Kilgrave. And while controlling one or two people was fine for him then, he sure as heck couldn't have commanded a jury judge to forget his existence and the fact that some British dude in purple talked a man out of his house and was living there in his stead.



* Why does Luke need to hire Jessica to track down Antoine? ''Series/LukeCage2016'' shows he's perfectly capable of tracking down people all by himself, since when tasked by Pop with finding Chico, he did it in "under four hours, for free".

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** This likely appears to be a case of {{retcon}}ning. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (''Luke Cage'' was just starting filming when ''Jessica Jones'' was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on everything that he'd be in his own show, and that's the cause of some of the oddities between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after the youth, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets of Harlem, and captures the hearts of both Misty Knight and Claire Temple.

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** This likely appears to be a case of {{retcon}}ning. CharacterizationMarchesOn. ''Jessica Jones'' was written well before ''Luke Cage'' came out (''Luke (the first season of ''Luke Cage'' was just starting only began filming when just before ''Jessica Jones'' season 1 was released). It's been confirmed in interviews that there were some talks in the writers' room on how to structure Luke's storyline in ''Jessica Jones'', and what he could do/could not do since they knew he was already getting his own show at that point. Ultimately they had not decided on everything that he'd what his characterization would be in for his own show, and show. And that's the cause of some of the oddities inconsistencies between Luke in ''Jessica Jones'' and Luke in ''Luke Cage''. The Luke of ''Jessica Jones'' is a jaded, broken, noir-ish guy who would rather polish a bar or pick up a broad than punish a bad guy, and spends every waking hour trying hard to suppress his memories of Reva, for whom the equally damaged Jessica provides a lifeline and an answer. answer, and also very prone to swearing. The Luke of ''Luke Cage'' is an upbeat, friendly force for good hiding out in Pop's barbershop, helping his community, looking after the youth, troubled youths in Harlem, quick with a joke and a smile and always ready to kick a little ass if it means cleaning up the mean streets of Harlem, streets, and captures the hearts of both Misty Knight and Claire Temple.



** As I recall - and I could be misremembering - but as I recall, her wife mentioned that they got married before Jeri was done with law school. Season 2 also has Jeri reveal that she came from poverty, so she didn't have any money at the time. Combination of marrying for love while you're young & foolish, as well as not having any money & not thinking forward far enough to imagine yourself having money, would explain it.

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** As I recall - and I could be misremembering - but as I recall, her wife Wendy mentioned that they got married before Jeri was done with law school. Season 2 also has Jeri reveal that she came from poverty, so she didn't have any money at the time. Combination of marrying for love while you're young & foolish, as well as not having any money & not thinking forward far enough to imagine yourself having money, would explain it.

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