History Headscratchers / FireEmblemFates

** "Young" is kind of vague and gives the statement a little wiggle room. It could've just been a few years, and Selena just meant "young''er''" generally. Also note that it's implied they came to Nohr at least somewhat recently in various supports, yet [[spoiler:Anankos says that the dragon blood he gives them in ''Hidden Truths'' will only last a few years at most]], so I'd say that they're probably in the late teens (or ''maybe'' early 20s) range.
** [[spoiler:The dragon blood probably made them stop aging the entire time until it wore off]]. Corrin is presumed to have been kidnapped at 5-6, and was already in Nohr by the time Hidden Truths takes place. So the Awakening trio have probably been in Nohr for 7-8 years, they were early teens in ''Awakening'' so they should biologically be late teens here, but mentally early 20s.

* So regarding the children mechanic: [[spoiler:Azura dies at the end of both ''Birthright'' and ''Conquest'', so what happens to Shigure? Especially considering he's locked to her even if she doesn't get married. Is he actually born during the story's timeline during a timeskip a la Lucina in Awakening, or does he keep existing via that pocket dimension business?]]
** [[spoiler:He still exists, even if she dies. However, if you did not pair up Azura with anybody, he will not exist.]]
* Okay, so could somebody explain to me [[spoiler:how the hell reincarnation in this game is supposed to work? Shara's supports with a female Avatar (where she mentions a future with "a planet shrouded in darkness" and "two dragons") imply that they ''will'' be reincarnated as [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Tharja and Robin]], but Severa, Inigo and Owain have already been born and reached adulthood. Speaking of which, are they the children from the saved timeline or not? Their supports imply they have a home to go to, which means they aren't from a doomed timeline...[[TimeyWimeyBall but if they're from the saved timeline, then Robin and Tharja have already been born, meaning Shara and the Avatar haven't been reincarnated yet. But they talk about it like they will be! What gives?]]]]
** [[spoiler:The ''Awakening'' kids are heavily implied to be from a different Ylisse than any we've seen in ''Awakening'' (certain dialogue shows that this other Ylisse had ''both'' Chrom and Robin die in the fight against Grima, while still having saved the day), so there's a chance not all timelines flow at the same speed, or even concurrently of each other. As for Shara's vision, it seems more like she's talking of the events as if they already happened, implying that Shara herself is the reincarnation, rather than the ancestor. Or, maybe it's just [[MythologyGag a fun reference]] to compare Tharja's obsession with Robin to Shara's own with Corrin?]]
** Simple: [[spoiler:Shara isn't talking about Ylisse, she's talking about an untold era that will happen in the future. She and Corrin were Tharja and Robin before being reborn in their current lives and the implication is that they'll be reborn again in the one Shara foretold. Though what exactly those details mean is anyone's guess.]]
** [[spoiler:Fates probably happens in the distant past of ''Awakening'', and the three kids traveled BACK in time. Far too back compared to their previous experiences. We may see more if we get Future Past esque DLC down the line...]]
** [[spoiler:Most of Odin's supports make it clear that this is an alternate world and not the same one as ''Awakening''. That said, his dialogue with his daughter about a future does suggest that they also traveled back in time when coming to this world.]]
** [[spoiler:Why are we even taking her statement at face value? All we have to go on is her word, she could easily be lying, and there's no reason to believe reincarnation is a thing when we only have a couple statements from someone kinda crazy.]]
** [[spoiler:To be fair, reincarnation ''does'' explain the second-gen expies of Gaius and Cordelia...]]

* I've yet to fully see the game myself, but so far I've noticed very specific wording about something. [[spoiler:The curse of the Invisible Kingdom will claim anyone who 'speaks' or 'talks' of the kingdom while outside it. Why not try writing information about it down and sending it in a letter? Neither Ryoma or Xander seem like they would just ignore mail from Corrin.]]
** They're probably [[spoiler:assuming that ''any'' mention of Valla will trigger the curse and choosing to err on the side of caution. Azura tells Corrin that her mother died trying to warn people about Valla, and while it's not stated whether she was using an indirect method, it's likely she was, since she also knew about the curse. With that knowledge in mind, it makes sense they'd be wary about the subject.]]
*** [=IIRC=] it's implied that [[spoiler:Arete invoked the curse on purpose when she was spreading the word about Valla, although it's a tad unclear. Considering how specifically the curse is worded, though, I'd assume that writing is okay, but Corrin/Azura wouldn't want to risk their siblings reading the note aloud to the others, or something like that, so it'd still be safer to just do it when everyone's together and down there.]]
** The above is very likely the case, as [[spoiler:in one of the Avatar and Azura's ''Revelation'' supports, they are extremely careful with their words while discussing Valla, and they still come ''dangerously'' close to triggering the curse; the only reason it didn't trigger fully was because Azura teleported them to a pocket dimension at the very last second.]]
* If Mikoto is [[spoiler:actually from Valla and not from Hoshido]], then why does she have a Japanese name and look and act like a YamatoNadeshiko?
** Maybe she changed her name to hide from [[spoiler:the Vallite soldiers]]? As for her personality, she could have just adopted it as she settled into her new home.
** I think Mikoto always had ''some'' YamatoNadeshiko tendencies before becoming Hoshido's queen. [[spoiler: She came from the family who were meant to use the song to calm Anankos. I would think that would have given their family ''some'' form of power. And her older sister was the wife to Valla's king.]]
** FridgeBrilliance: Note the Vallite generics are [[spoiler: from BOTH Nohr and Hoshido. She could have been of Hoshidan descent and went to Valla.]]
*** So... [[spoiler:Mikoto (and possibly Arete?) would be of Vallite + Hoshidan descent? One or both of them being of mixed descent would solve a lot of confusion on the matter, though it does go into [=WMG=] territory a bit.]]

* Why on earth did [[spoiler:Sumeragi bring the infant Avatar with him to Cheve? He's going to a supposed peace conference deep within enemy territory, with no visible guards, and he brings his infant child with him?]] What's the reasoning for that?
** [[spoiler:Kaze]] mentions he was there, and I think [[spoiler:Ryoma]] was, too? It's quite possible that [[spoiler:all or most of Hoshidan royal family was there, and they at least brought ''a few'' retainers along (even if Kaze would've been fairly young at the time, too...). That, or since it was supposed to be a peace conference Sumeragi let his guard down and thought it would be okay to bring his kid/s along]].
** As for why Sumeragi would bring and ''infant Avatar'' with him, the answer is simple: They ''weren't'' an infant during that time. Sakura said in her A-support with the Avatar [[spoiler:that she heard a rumor that she was the intended target, but later found out that wasn't true, meaning she was already born when they went to Cheve. The Avatar's the middle child, so if Sakura was already born the Avatar couldn't have been an infant during their kidnapping.]]
** They definitely weren't an infant. Hinoka's supports with [[spoiler:Camilla]] have her saying she started training with the naginata at 7. She started training to rescue the Avatar, so she was 7 when they were kidnapped, and they thus couldn't have been any older than that. ''But'' when they visit their old room with Mikoto, she shows them a drawing they did, and mentions what a cheerful child they were. So they were past the toddler stage, to be able to walk, talk and draw pictures. They were likely around 5 or 6.
** As for why Sumeragi brought them, it's also possible that he only brought [[spoiler:his older children, considering them to be of the age where they needed to learn how to rule, starting with diplomacy talks.]]

* Sorry if I'm being an idiot and missed something but the details are really murky to me. [[spoiler: I'm not completely understanding how the Hoshido royal family works. Ryoma and Hinoka are older than Corrin while Takumi and Sakura are younger. Mikoto is Corrin's mother while human!Anankos is Corrin's father. Sumeragi found Mikoto and Corrin on the shores of a lake as an infant. So...''when'' were Takumi and Sakura born? Is their mother the same one as Ryoma and Hinoka's or...? Again, sorry if I've missed something in the supports. I have yet to really see any of them but I've played through all three paths from beginning to end, but I just can't make ''any'' sense of this.]]
** [[spoiler:It's kinda hard to pin down when Takumi and Sakura were born since most of the characters' ages are never stated, but yes, Ryoma, Hinoka, Takumi and Sakura are all Queen Ikona's children. Unlike with Garon, who didn't sever ties with a woman once he fell in love with her and had multiple concubines as a result, Sumeragi is never said to have any wives other than Ikona and Mikoto.]]
** [[spoiler:They were born after he found Mikoto and Corrin, as the game states they all shared the same mother. They're younger than Corrin, so their mother, Queen Ikona, had to still be alive. Unfortunately, this means Sumeragi was a cheater.]]
** [[spoiler:Not a cheater actually. He brought Mikoto and Corrin into his family, and married her after Ikona's death, or when Ikona was still alive as a concubine. Please note: Hoshido is very much based on Feudal Japan, and ''maaaaaaany'' shoguns/emperors did exactly that.]]
** Alternately, going off the above, [[spoiler:Sumeragi was just smart enough to only have one concubine, instead of having as many as Garon did. Either way, the fact that Sumeragi had more than one wife highlights the {{Foil}} nature of the Nohr and Hoshido families, so it makes sense on a meta level, at least]].
** Additionally, backstory in the Japanese version of ''Revelation'' [[spoiler:revealed that Sumeragi was not so different from the real Garon in general. Fuga mentions that [[FormerTeenRebel Sumeragi]] hung out in the Hoshidan {{Red Light District}}s as a prince and is strongly implied to have been together with Mikoto while his official wife, Queen Ikona, was still alive, ''but'' was savvy enough to not have other lovers aside from those two (and siring children only with Ikona, plus adopting Mikoto's child); Garon opted to MarryThemAll ''and'' keep all of his many concubines around, and the horrible consequences deeply affected the Nohrian DecadentCourt. So yeah, either way, Sumeragi was also as bad as Garon when it came to being amorous, he just did it smarter.]]
** Uh, I wouldn't say he was ''as bad'' as Garon, Sumeragi only [[spoiler:had ''two'' known wives and lovers while Garon had two wives, at least three other lovers, and is implied to have had others. Sure Sumeragi may have had multiple flings in his youth, but that's to be expected, people tend to do stupid things in their youth. And the fact that he never sired any children with Mikoto might suggest that they never ''actually'' had sex. At least not until they were properly married. While Garon had multiple lovers, and since the whole DecadentCourt sorted itself out by the time Elise was born Garon was most likely STILL doing the nasty while his lovers and children were murdering each other.]]
* Why didn't [[spoiler:Azura bring Gunter out of the Invisible Kingdom sooner?]] She knew he was there, since she'd visited him several times, but she never took him out until Corrin was there with her, despite having the ability to leave.

** Additionally, she states that the regular way back, the one through the Bottomless Canyon, was swarmed by soldiers that she couldn't have fought off alone, and that she ''tried'' to bring him out through the lake but couldn't for some reason (which likely has something to do with [[spoiler:her and Corrin being Vallite, as the Vallite soldiers encountered in the game are shown to be able to travel through water]]). So she literally didn't have an opportunity to bring him back sooner.

*** Admittedly this is really grasping at straws, but it's also possible she sent Leo to fetch him on that route, instead of getting him out herself. It's never definitively stated what Leo sees in the crystal she gives him, only that when you see him again he apparently knows that [[spoiler:Garon was DeadAllAlong]], and that he took a trip to the Bottomless Canyon at some point during that time. So it is possible that the crystal told him about Valla and Anankos, he went down there himself to make sure he wasn't being tricked or lied to in some way, and he found Gunter there (which would also explain why Gunter's not present in the Avatar's near-death vision).
* Was there really a point in implying, if not outright confirming, [[spoiler:that someone in Nohr did seal away Corrin’s memories of Hoshido? They couldn’t have been older than five or six, so their memory was going to be fuzzy anyway, ''AND'' they witnessed their father’s murder, it would have made sense that they repressed their own memory. Outside of introducing the function of Hoshido’s throne for ''Conquest'' was there really a point to it? The most I can figure is to keep them quite, but it would have been a perfect excuse for Garon to inflict punishment on them.]]
** It was probably just as you said, [[spoiler:for the sake of keeping them quiet. If Corrin knew all along that they weren't actually a part of Nohr's royal family, there's a chance that they would have tried to escape, or at least be more rebellious. If Corrin thinks that they're ''supposed'' to be there, then it makes it easier for Slime Garon to do what Anankos wants]].

*** What a drag. That would have been a little interesting, but it would make a bit of sense - in the Near Death experience, the Avatar basically sees their adoptive siblings, [[spoiler:their actual sibling in Lilith]], [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Flora]]. Flora seems like the odd one out, but given that the Avatar's known her for ''years'' (Whereas they don't remember anything about Kaze from when they were younger) and sees Flora ''as'' somewhat of a sibling - but never did because Flora was always a maid and thus in a different class than the others. [[FridgeBrilliance Who's to say Jakob and Felicia wouldn't be there if it were them instead?]] They seem to recover a bit quickly from Kaze, but not from Flora.

* [[spoiler:Considering the fact that Anankos takes a massive amount of power to possess someone, is it possible that he still dies at the end of both Birthright and Conquest through being killed in the vessels of Garon and Takumi respectively?]]
** I'm not sure if it would [[spoiler:''kill'' him, exactly, but it would likely at least weaken him a lot. At the very least, it would probably take Anankos a long time before he'd be able to try that again.]]

* What happens to the [[spoiler:Fuujin Yumi, Rajinto]] in ''Conquest'' or [[spoiler:Siegfried]] in ''Birthright'' now that their wielder is dead? Since it's never mentioned in either route.
** They probably [[spoiler:were just returned to the original nation, Hoshido/Nohr, and locked up until someone else able to use them comes along.]]
** Also, note that [[spoiler:the princes all inherit their dads' weapons in the ''Heirs of Fate'' DLC. It's not too unreasonable to assume from there that other members of the royal families could learn how to use them with enough practice]].
* If the Avatar marries Selena, Odin, or Laslow in ''Revelation'' their epilogue mentions them disappearing for a bit, then returning afterwards. [[spoiler:It's generally accepted that they returned to [[VideoGames/FireEmblemAwakening Ylisse]] to say good-bye since the Avatar couldn't go with them as the new ruler of Valla]]. However, in the ''Hidden Truths'' DLC, [[spoiler:Anankos]] said the crystal he gave them to transport them back could only work once. How are they returning to the ''Fates'' universe?
** ''Heirs of Fate'' reveals that [[spoiler:Odin and Laslow apparently ''broke'' the crystal and gave half to each of their daughters. While the whole thing was necessary for transporting everyone, maybe half of it would be strong enough to transport ''one'' person, while the other half could take them back?]]
** Did they? I'm pretty sure [[spoiler:the crystals were whole each. Considering children were from twenty different worlds, it seems more likely Odin and Laslow just ''happened'' to give them the stone in their world and just ''happened'' to end up in the situation they did. They were a pretty large group, and Anankos did say it was impressive that that many kids in ''Awakening'' were able to travel back in time.]]
* Is it just me or on the ''Revelation'' route is there a degree of availability? [[spoiler:Throughout the early part of ''Revelation'', Corrin is branded a traitor and due to the taboo on talking about Valla outside it, when it comes to explaining things, nobody is particularly inclined to listen to "hang on, the real enemy is in the shadows! But that's all I can say..." The problem is, nobody specifies they can't say more due to a curse. In ''Hidden Truths'', Human!Anankos does exactly that and it worked out pretty well for him! Now, granted that chances are people wouldn't listen anyway, but still, it's weird that nobody even broaches the idea.]]
** ...That's a very good point, and it gets even weirder when you consider that [[spoiler:Garon is capable of name-dropping Anankos at a couple of points. You'd think that Azura would at least be able to say, "Hey, someone named Anankos is who we should be fighting!", on top of what you mentioned, but neither issue ever comes up in-story during ''Revelation''.]]
*** Except, according to [[spoiler:Garon at least, Anankos was seen as the Dusk Dragon, Nohr's dragon-god.]] If Corrin and Azura flat out said he was behind everything that would have raised more questions than answers, questions that couldn't be answered without triggering it.
*** Did [[spoiler:Garon]] ever say that? Azura and Xander have a conversation in ''Revelation'' shortly after the party enters Valla [[spoiler:that confirms Anankos ''isn't'' the Dusk Dragon]]. It might require some more explanation, but not for that reason.
** I'm inclined to believe that if they even said, [[spoiler:"I can't say anything because of a curse."]] Whoever is there would follow up with [[spoiler:"What curse?"]] Followed immediately with [[spoiler:"I can't say."]] They're just as stuck whether they bring it up or not, except they're really not helping their case when someone thinks they're mad. [[spoiler:When Anankos mentioned it, he already showed off that he was a powerful being and that there was something going on where he was from. The situations between father and child were different, so they could share things differently.]]
*** I'm so, so sorry, but all that went through my head reading that was [[spoiler: "I can't say anything because of the curse." "What curse?" [[Film/{{Labyrinth}} "The curse with the power."]] "What power?"]]

** ...GameplayAndStorySegregation? Or maybe, since [[spoiler:she was probably born of GladToBeAliveSex]], time moved faster in her Deeprealm than his, so she ended up older despite being born later.
** Considering that Corrin marrying Kaze [[spoiler:would obviously fulfill the "needs an A-Support to survive" requirement]], I'm inclined to go with the GameplayAndStorySegregation guess. Especially since it's illogical in general that [[spoiler:Midori wouldn't have been born by that point]], anyway.
* At the end of ''Revelation'', [[spoiler:Corrin becomes Valla's new ruler. Who exactly is there to rule? The Hidden Truths DLC reveals that everyone in Valla is a zombie puppet of Anankos. There shouldn't be anyone left.]]
** [[spoiler:Isn't Corrin given new land, anyway? I wouldn't be surprised if the "new" Valla was inhabited by the people who were already living in the areas that Xander and Ryoma donated. That or people just moved there later.]]
* Why didn't Garon [[spoiler:take on his Blight Dragon form]] at the end of ''Conquest''?
** [[spoiler:The Hoshidan throne weakened his ability to hold his form, he was probably using most of his power just to keep from melting into a puddle.]]
** It's also possible that [[spoiler:the power he used in ''Birthright'' went into Takumi in ''Conquest'']].
* Considering that a big deal is made of [[spoiler:getting to the Bottomless Canyon before the skies change]] in ''Revelation'', how is it that [[spoiler:everyone was able to get back out at the end]]? Unless maybe I missed something, and that's just supposed to apply to [[spoiler:getting ''into'' Valla and not ''out of'' it]]... Also, on a related note, it makes me wonder if [[spoiler:the water portals would be sealed off as well, or ''just'' the Bottomless Canyon entrance. If not, that adds a bit of FridgeHorror to ''Revelation'''s otherwise happy ending, since if there were any Vallite soldiers left, they'd still be able to get out]].
** [[spoiler:It probably is just the canyon entrance: the skies are stated to change every few decades, and Mikoto and Arete left Valla with their children recently enough that Azura remembers it. As to the Vallite soldiers, they are explicitly stated to be dead bodies under Anankos' control, so if there were any left they'd all just drop when he's defeated.]]
*** Ah, that's a good point; you're probably right about [[spoiler:the Vallite soldiers dying off with Anankos.]] It still makes me wonder if Corrin and Azura would still be able to use the water portals, though, since I don't ''think'' anything about those was stated in-game.

** Possibly, the women go into the Deeprealms when they find out they're pregnant, and then stay there until they baby is born. That would definitely explain why the pregnancies don't interrupt the game, or how Azura and female Corrin can have ''two'' kids without that much time passing in the "real" world. It's a bit of a stretch, but considering that it's the only way for [[spoiler:a Scarlet!Kana to realistically ''exist'' in ''Revelation'']], I'm inclined to just go with that for everyone else, too.

* How did the Avatar never meet any of the Nohrian siblings' retainers? Story wise, I get that it was for there to be an excuse for them to introduce themselves to the players, but in-universe there is no reason they shouldn't have met. The siblings supposedly frequently made trips to visit the Avatar, and the retainers' jobs are to keep their lords safe. Even if the northern fortress is Nohrian territory, the threat of assassins and bandits should have necessitated that they keep their retainers with them when they travel. It just strikes me as odd that none of the retainers ever came with their lords on their visits, [[spoiler:Especially Selena, Laslow, and Odin since they were not only serving their lords but also trying to help the Avatar defeat Anankos, so surely they would have wanted to meet the person they had to help.]]

** It's kinda implied that [[spoiler:Selena, Laslow, and Odin didn't know that Corrin was Anankos's kid, at least at first]], though. So that could possibly explain why those three never got close to them until later, at least. I'm also inclined to agree with the "they were there, but out of sight" idea in general, though.

* What land do Ryoma and Xander even [[spoiler:donate to Corrin for the New Valla]] at the end of ''Revelation'', anyway? If you [[https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/fates-map-birthright.jpg look at the map]], the Bottomless Canyon runs ''almost all the way over it''. There shouldn't be anything there to give that's not split down the middle by the giant creepy canyon, unless we're supposed to believe that [[spoiler:New Valla is split up into different parts of the map...]] or something... Gah, this makes even less sense the more I try to reason it out.

* In Corrin and Hinoka’s B-support, Hinoka specifically [[spoiler:refers to Mikoto as “[Corrin’s] mother”, and Corrin notes that Mikoto and Hinoka aren’t related]]. But that detail is only revealed [[spoiler:when Corrin S-supports a Hoshidan royal]], yet here, they talk about it, even if the reveal hasn’t happened, and may never even happen depending on circumstances.
** The twist isn't that Mikoto isn't Hinoka's mother, but that [[spoiler:Sumeragi isn't Corrin's father. All of the Hoshido children are born to a concubine that apparently he kept impregnating even after marrying Mikoto while never giving Mikoto any biological children together. Yes, I realize this raises even more questions and problems, but Mikoto not being Hinoka's mom isn't an early reveal of the twist. The assumption was always that they were half-siblings]].

* [[spoiler:[[BigLippedAlligatorMoment The fact that the Avatar and Azura didn't overreact when Mikoto revealed that they are actually cousins can be strange]], but it might make sense if Mikoto and Arete are actually best friends instead of being sisters. Sometimes, best friends can refer to each other as their own family, to the point of being assumed as HeterosexualLifePartners.]]
** Or (more likely) it's not that big of a deal to them. [[spoiler:Even if they were married at that point, KissingCousins was quite common in their time period. It's also seen as acceptable in Japan, which is the East Asian country with less restrictions for cousin marriage ''and'' even has [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naoto_Kan an ex Prime Minister in such a situation]].]]
** Also there's the fact that [[spoiler:it's the last time Mikoto is going to speak with Corrin and the others. If they were really just HeterosexualLifePartners, she would have been way more specific and just ''say so.'' Considering she all but said 'Anankos is your father', I think she would have chosen her words more carefully than that.]]
* If Corrin reaches S-Support [[spoiler:with any of the Hoshido siblings, they find out through a letter (or just from Ryoma) that they are not blood related to any of them]]. However, this is the ''only'' time this knowledge comes to light. Regardless, they can also [[spoiler:S-Support any of the sibling's ''children'', which is potentially any of them, but Shiro and Kiragi are guaranteed]]. In order for the latter to be possible, they must never have gained knowledge from the former (in fact, such knowledge retroactively doesn't exist). Which means, as far as Corrin is concerned, [[spoiler:they are willingly going after their blood related niece/nephew, even though in every Hoshido support, they take issue with marrying their sibling. And unlike with cousins, uncle/aunt and nephew/niece marriages aren't at all legal in Japan.]]
** Actually, in the supports with [[spoiler: Hinoka, she relates an incident to Corrin where she yelled at Mikoto for not being her "real" mother, and Corrin seems to be more surprised about the argument rather than the fact that this reveals that they're actually step-siblings]]. So them knowing ''might'' be canon, and, either way, it's still possible for them to find out. Still is a bit [[{{Squick}} squicky]] if you don't get that conversation before then, though.
*** Corrin always knew that [[spoiler:Mikoto wasn't the Hoshidan siblings' mother]], but they ''did'' believe that they were [[spoiler:Sumeragi's child with Mikoto, which would make them half-siblings]].
** Something interesting related to this is brought up if the Avatar S-supports Sakura. She outright mentions that they're (supposedly) ''half-siblings''. Which while it brings up more awkward and confusing implications, it could explain why Corrin would [[spoiler: not come to the conclusion that he and Hinoka weren't related at all when Hinoka reveals Mikoto is her stepmother]].

* While closing off any child characters if their mother died in ''Awakening'' made sense (as they come from a BadFuture), it comes off as odd in ''Fates''. Due to the method of how second generation characters exist compared to ''Awakening'', exactly why would allowing their fathers to die result in them being unrecruitable, especially if their mothers are alive? This is quite apparent with [[spoiler: Midori]] in Birthright, as [[spoiler: it's fully possible for Kaze to be paired with someone, yet he must survive the events of Chapter 15 for Midori's paralogue to even unlock]]. Due to the TimeyWimeyBall, this technically means that [[spoiler: Kaze's death at ''that'' particular point wouldn't invalidate Midori's existence.]]
** Actually, [[spoiler: Midori]] in ''Birthright'' can easily be explained away if you simply assume that she actually ''wasn't'' born until after [[spoiler: Chapter 15]]. The paralogue ''does'' immediately unlock afterwards, yes, but the same thing happens for all the other kids; the NarniaTime involved with the second gen this time around makes them really ambiguous, anyway. Going off that, it's possible that the couples simply never had the chance to have a kid if the fathers die (considering they're actually born ''during the game'' this time around). It's weird, yes, but it's more just a necessary HandWave for the fact that the kids are tied to the dads this time.
** To be more specific, it's implied [[spoiler:Midori was the result of GladToBeAliveSex]].
*** Of course, on the flip side, this gets weird when [[spoiler:Kaze]] is married to [[spoiler:the Female Avatar]], who can still recruit [[spoiler:Kana]] before [[spoiler:Midori]]'s paralogue is unlocked despite [[spoiler:Kana]] being stated and treated as being the youngest of all the children.
** All of the children, though [[spoiler:Midori]] in particular, simply work better if you assume the dads dying is a case of GameplayAndStorySegregation. They still could / should be born, but it goes back to the HandWave explanation to avoid support / paralogue inconsistencies. To be more specific, [[spoiler:by all rights, Midori "should've" been born once Kaze hits S-Rank, ''especially'' if she's Kana's sister as the above troper mentioned, but her paralogue simply unlocks then so they wouldn't have to add extra dialogue into chapter 15 if she's there and Kaze dies.]]

** Considering that a war is going on, it’s pretty likely that the weddings and children are kept under wraps. Considering that the game’s marriages are out of love, an assassination would be perfect for reducing the spouse’s morale. This is likely the same reason the births are kept low profile as well, especially since children would be more vulnerable targets. Even with the pocket dimensions in mind, it’s likely that the parents want their children to be as safe as possible, so it’s best to avoid taking chances.