History Headscratchers / FinalFantasy

** Saying swords and knives "are the same thing" is a CriticalResearchFailure, plain and simple. Hell, two swords of equal length but different styles alone are going to be very different weapons to wield.

* And, as we've already started: Black Mages bug me. More specifically, ''hume'' Black Mages, as it was shown already that Nu Mous aren't like that. So, what's wrong with the Black Mages face that it gets blackened in such a way that no other job that uses a big hat also get? Is it some kind of curse or anything or simply Square-Enix had to put up with bad resolution sprite designs from FF 3 and never had the guts to say "okay, that's it, let's give these guys some ''faces'' for a change, okay"?

** They had faces in X-2. They keep them faceless in the less serious games because it's an iconic character design.
*** X-2 was serious?

** It's an [[Main/TheArtifact artifact]] from the NES/SNES era. As such, Square can't just get rid of it because that would enrage the fans. Besides, as pointed out up here, the shadowy faces are indeed an iconic part of Black Mage character design.

*** But that's because they gave the [[{{AFGNCAAP}} characters]] [[CanonName names and personalities]].

*** Wow that was fast. And yes, Ivalice is probably the biggest universe to ever appear in the Franchise/FinalFantasy series.

* What's with the RunningGag of starting every Final Fantasy article with something like "bone-crushingly popular" or "ball-bustingly popular"?

*** Then why does someone say in ''VideoGAme/FinalFantasyXII'' that "The undying phoenix is said to call back souls from the heavens, but to win the attention of such fabled bird, you must give up a feather as an offering."?

** Concerning the changes between games: FFTA happens in an alternate Ivalice and depending on your interpretation of the ending [[spoiler: Marche doesn't want to kill everyone despite wanting to go home, so the grimoire creates the normal Ivalice for him, thus letting his friends like Montblanc live on.]] Then you have FF12 -> FF12: Revenant Wings -> FFTA2 -> Some kind of apocalypse -> FFT. The creator made Vagrant Story too and has said that it isn't in the same continuity, it's just filled with FanService, coming out soon after FFT.

* For a series with lots of icons, why are beings that you can call upon for help named so many different things throughout the series? and why are some of those names repeated, driving more the point home? Summons, Espers, Guardian Force, Aeon and of course, Eidolons.

** Perhaps the legend/myth of the phoenix. The real world doesn't have phoenixes, but we still have the myth of them being birds to do with resurrection. Perhaps in FF worlds without them, they simply named reviving potions after similar legends.

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** It's an [[Main/TheArtifact artifact]] from the NES/SNES era. As such, Square can't just get ride of it because that would enrage the fans. Besides, as pointed out up here, the shadowy faces are indeed a iconic part of Black Mage character design.

** Did you forget that every one of those games take place in a different part of Ivalice and perhaps in a different time period as well?

*** It's the same Ivalice and Vagrant Story also takes lace there.

** In addition to space, FFTA could take place long before FFT. If you look at the map description for I think Sweegy Woods in FFT, it mentions that Moogles used to live there, but are now extinct. Obviously all the other species did as well, or went into hiding or something similar.

** I notice that the mages in the original Final Fantasy and Dragonlance have something similar to each other...notice the evil mages in Dragonlance all wear Black robes...and the good mages wear white robes. Meanwhile the neutral mages are - you guessed it - red. Did the writers of Final Fantasy like that idea of Red being the "Neutral" from dragonlance (I don't know when Dragonlance was originally made, other than the 80s...when Final Fantasy showed up), or was there some idea somewhere that stated Red was sort of "Neutral" that both the writers of Final Fantasy and Dragonlance got the idea from, or did they both ''conveniently'' think of the same idea without having any idea of the other? (It's not the first time. If I recall, Sir Isaac Newton and someone else thought of Calculus at the same time)

** Black mages aren't evil and are known for wearing blue and yellow. No black mage actually wears black, it's just the magical face obscuring shadow.

*** Maybe it's because their magic is around hurting people...like most fictional portrayal of black magic is, while White magic is about helping people?

* This is moreso with [=RPG=]s in general, but how come certain classes can't equip certain weapons? It's particularly egregious that the Black Mage can't equip swords, but he can equip knives. They're the same thing, only a sword is longer! Granted, you can say that it's from the class's rules, but what sense does it make to the characters in the game? Personally, if I were a White Mage, I'd pick up a BFS and stab the villian with it instead of using a hammer.

** Partly due to gameplay purposes, and partly due to stories. Do you think that having the InfinityPlusOneSword would be any good for someone who wasn't trained how to use that kind of stuff? It's best for them to use the Infinity plus one spell. Weapons do no good if you have no knowledge to use them, or if they're too heavy for you to lift. As for gameplay...Same reason mages are typically a GlassCannon and have crappy physical attack power. If the mage is capable of outdamaging the warrior with the same weaponry, what exactly would be the point of even having the warrior even bother to pick up their sword or do anything but stand in the way and soak up hits? It's to keep them from being overpowered as hell. Even if the characters in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' can do every role, they can't attack for 9999 damage and then heal for that amount within just two turns, you have to switch them to that role. Or, it's fully possible, but they receive penalties for doing it (like say, you don't have the feat to use exotic weaponry, so you take a roll penalty, and oyu don't have a very high magic stat so a magic attack deals less on a non-magic-user)

* In games that don't have phoenixes, where do Phoenix Downs come from?

** It just happened, people thought it was funny enough to keep.

* What's with the RunningGag of starting every Final Fantasy article with something like "bone-crushingly popular" or "ball-bustingly popular"?

* Now, really, why [=FF7=] is abbreviated and every other game of the series is on full form? Lazyness?
** Yes.

* Why is the FanDumb too blind to notice that Amano's characters are just as feminine than Nomura's? Because how many men do you know have blue lipstick and wear mascara to supplement their pale skin? How come they only notice this with Kuja and if I recall, he wasn't exactly drawn by Amano (since someone else worked with him)
** The strangest thing is when they said Nomura did the artwork for XII...Yeah I know. It doesn't even ''look'' like Nomura's art! WHY on EARTH would the ''FanDumb'' get that idea?!
** Because Vaan was in the game, and any girly looking men ''have'' to be made by Nomura, obviously.
*** Yeah, in their minds.
*** You know, Cecil and Kuja look so much more manily when Nomura drew them for ''Dissidia'', just saying.
*** Blasphemy! [[DudeLooksLikeALady Kuja]]? Manly, my ass!

* How come they've never tried making a dedicated Chemist character? They can easily be done with some abilities taken from other characters with item-boosting or other such items. Like Rikku's "mix", Edward's "Salve", the Rangers reversing-item ability...Might make for a good character to use in XIII, even if they might have a CrutchCharacter.
** X-2 had a chemist class, and was pretty much everything you said.
** Hell, they had a job called Chemist in V.
*** Sounds more like the OP wants a specific character designed with Chemist abilities, not an enhanced Chemist job. Basically, in a game that doesn't have job switching, someone is a dedicated item user.
*** See, a dedicated Chemist sucks offensively. Not the kind of character the {{Munchkin}} fancies. However, most of the time Chemist characters can be made into either CrutchCharacter or LethalJokeCharacter depending on the gameplay and plot. Not only they can [[DiscOneNuke out-heal or out-damage everyone early game with nothing but items]], [[GameBreaker they can also make themselves nigh-invincible]].
* How come there are maybe four or five of us who actually don't misblame Nomura for everything? I've seen a lot of old-school final fantasy fans say that every game that has Nomura in the title list is crap? Uhh...okay so then Franchise/FinalFantasy should have stopped at 3 then? No I don't mean SNES 3...Because guess what? ''HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH SQUARE SINCE FINAL FANTASY IV!!!'' He's also only really been a character designer and director. He's had no more to do with the actual video games other than design than the much-worshiped Amano has. (Until ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV''...which ironically critics have been praising but the fans will pull the TheyChangedItNowItSucks card) Also...Nomura had absolutely nothing to do with IX's artwork.
** As far as I can tell, the ItsPopularNowItSucks group associate Nomura with VII, therefore Nomura is the root of all evil
** Funny enough, I think around the time people realized Nomura wasn't involved in IX they started liking it. Not all of them mind you, but there's a disturbing amount of people claiming Zidane's the best hero on the grounds of "He's not emo like Cloud or Squall."
** Wait. What's wrong with liking Zidane for being cheery?
*** More that he wasn't the first cheery protagonist. (Bartz? Locke? Post-job change Cecil, okay that's more self-confidence, but still...) It's fine to like him, but don't stereotype the others prior to IX as being "Emo" based on VII and VIII, who I'd actually classify as emotionally withdrawn and passive aggressive respectively.
** And since when is Cloud emo? He only gets depressed after [[spoiler: HIS GIRLFRIEND IS MURDERED RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS EYES]]. Someone who stayed peppy after that would be a sociopath.
** Ummmm, step into the Kingdom Hearts fandom for a bit. Nomura runs that project on his own, and the newer chapters of the story are riddled with exactly the kind of wall bangers we rag on him for in FF. In fact, it has even MORE wall bangers. It's definitely his fault.
** KingdomHearts: KudzuPlot, no wall bangers because everything makes sense as we go along. And how the [[FridgeLogic heck is it Nomura's fault if he's not even associated with a game in the first place?]] You're assigned to a project, you just don't come in and hijack it. Are you sure you've played any of the Franchise/FinalFantasy games lately anyways? Because I've [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII checked]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII all]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX the]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX pages]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2 for]] the most recent FF games and there are no wall bangers listed.

* Why are so many people in the It Just Bugs Me page for Final Fantasy XII complaining about Vaan and Penelo having no real reason to join the party? I mean, if you consider it, a heck of a lot of ''other'' characters didn't have any real reason to join the party in their games either. In VideoGame/FinalFantasyV, Bartz simply tags along for no better reason than because Lenna and the others need help. In VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI, Setzer, Shadow, Gau, Gogo, Strago, and Relm don't have any tangible reason for joining either. In VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII, Cid decides to join AVALANCHE for no better reason than shits and giggles. Tifa only joins the party to keep Cloud company, which is basically the reason Penelo joined Vaan's party. None of these guys have any personal, tangible reason for joining, they just decide to come along. And Vaan's motivations do make a certain amount of sense-at the start of the game he's complaining about his boring life in the gutter and how he dreams of being a heroic adventurer and sky pirate. Fighting monsters and taking on heroic quests is a heck of a lot more fun for him than "running errands for Migelo," as he puts it. So why the critiques?
** Because Vaan and Penelo join up as pointless and stay pointless, the whole game. Bartz turned out to be extremely integral to the overall plot of FFV. FFVI doesn't count so much because there are a lot of characters and it's not really a character driven game, and in FFVII, Cid proves his worth by contributing an airship to the cause. Vaan and Penelo don't do shit. It's not really the fact that they join up for a dumb reason, it's the fact that within the thematic, they're not really worth much.
*** Quina doesn't have any reason to stick around with the heroes in Final Fantasy IX, and the only thing he even ''did'' was lead them to a dungeon. Heck, even Zidane admitted that he was with Quina for the earth fiend as a "leftover", almost as if they thought "okay we need an 8th party member and we can't use Beatrix, Cinna, Marcus, or blank so who do we use...?" Freya also doesn't seem to have that much use storywise after disc 2, and Amarant also seems to be just a rather minor character who has ''one'' arc, but nobody seems to have a problem with these guys either.
** They probably originally intended for Vaan and Penelo to take centre-stage in other Ivalice Alliance games set around the same timeframe - I recall reading somewhere they wanted to make Baasch or Ashe be the hero but they decided against it. (Or just Ashe since she was revealed first next to Vaan if I recall)
*** Apparently Basch was suppose to be the protagonist until another game with a middle aged protagonist didn't do so well. But I find the idea of Vaan and Penelo not having anything to do with the plot very insulting. After all, the city that is at the edge of becoming a battlefield is their home! And for a good part of the game Vaan and Larsa have to stop the princess when she goes Gollum with the nethicite. If you want someone who is there for the lul, well, look at Fran! She is literally going around with Balthier because it is fun and Balthier stuck around before [[spoiler: Cid]] because he is the [[HeroComplex 'leading man'!]] Yeah, deep motivations right there!
** Really, Vaan's problem is one shared with most of the cast of XII- shallow character development. Vaan has as much right to the title of 'main character' as Firion, Bartz, Squall , Zidane or Tidus (till their respective [[TheReveal reveals]]. It's just that it's never explored, so he seems to be there for no reason.
** It's called being an everyman, really. Someone for the rest of us to relate to. I can think of very few people in America who speak in Iambic Pentameter, so having two characters who don't is pretty nice.
** It largely has to do with Vaan's absolute irrelevance to the plot. You can remove both him and Penelo and alter virtually ''nothing'' without disturbing narrative cohesion. His frequent whining certainly did not do him any favors. Not to mention the game seems to take an almost gleeful delight in telling you just how useless Vaan is. Balthier trivializes him with his very first line: "I play the leading man." While Ashe does nearly the same every chance she gets. Even ''Penolo'' of all people, gets in on the 'let's ruin Vaan's day, just in case the audience hadn't realized he's completely useless!' All this is further exasperated by him being the "main character" to many people and due to the overall lackluster, or completely absent, character development in the game as a whole. Simply put, if Vaan were likable, he may have gotten by somewhat. Alas, he suffers from poor development, little relevance and tends to be annoying. The guy was doomed.
* You know what bugs me? When people get irritated over the existence of the Ultimanias and other WordOfGod guidebooks that give out concrete, canon, and final exposition on the characters and setting of the various Final Fantasy entries. Yes, it sucks that they're only in Japanese and the English speaking fandom has to rely on translations. Yes, it sucks that a lot of this cool information that we get in these books doesn't make it into the actual game (but it's still canon!) And yes, it sucks that they're so expensive and sometimes hard to find. But, DO NOT complain and whine when some crackpot theory that you've had for the past five years is effortlessly and totally shut down by one line in the Ultimania. 'Wah the creators know more about the world they spent months and months creating than I do! Why do they get to decide what's canon they're stupid my theory is better!' I don't always like what's the last word on fictional material, but I recognize that it's not my world to alter.
** Most people get attached to their theories, and having material that contradicts it that's not explicitly part of the source they draw from (which the Ultimania's aren't, at least in comparison to the game itself) is ripe for FanonDiscontinuity. And yes the creators of the game do know more about the setting and characters than the fans do.
** Personally, I've yet to have any theory nuked by Ultimania: in fact, they usually back up what I thought about the story, so I should like them. But still, I don't. Imagine if you bought a puzzle with a hundred pieces. You worked long and hard to fit everything together, and finally got it perfect. Then the company you bought it from comes along and says "oh yeah, here's another twenty pieces that we forgot to give you the first time, you've gotta buy them separately, and by the way, they're not for sale in your country". Can you really blame some fans for saying "screw it" and sticking with their own ideas? There's also the "death of the author" philosophy described on the WordOfGod page: basically, once the author releases the work to the public, it's left his hands, and he shouldn't be sitting in his armchair dictating interpretations to the readers. If he wanted it in the story, then it needed to be in the story. If ExecutiveMeddling, budget issues, deadlines and all the other excuses I've heard kept that from happening... well, that's too bad, but the story ''was'' released, and it's not fair for the author to keep overturning every connection fans try to make to the story by constantly changing his mind. That's how George Lucas earned his hatedom (and he actually ''did'' work his changes into the story by reissuing the movies, rather than just releasing extra supplements to say "no, what ''really'' happened is this").
*** By the way, the above really applies more to the older stuff than to the new Ultimanias, which more or less just expand on the creators' ideas and fleshes out some of the vagueries. But older Square supplements, most infamously with ''VideoGame/{{Xenogears}}'' and the "Perfect Works" book, had a bad habit of outright {{Retcon}}ning stuff that actually happened in the games, with the fan excuse of "well, the budget ran out on the game, ExecutiveMeddling kept them from getting it right, so what's in the book is what ''really'' happened". That's immensely unfair, and even though the more recent stuff's never repeated that debacle, it's left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
**** Well, even though the Ultimania Guides are all published and endorsed by Square Enix as Canon, not EVERY piece of plot exposition is written by the exact same Writers as the Games. Of course, there are usually MULTIPLE scenario writers within a single game alone and they sometimes have contradictions with EACH other in the same game. So in the end it's really just the same deal anyway. Another oddity is that for FFVII, the Ultimania Guide was actually released almost a DECADE after the first game to coincide with the release of Advent Children. So it DEFINITELY has a different set of writers then the original game, especially considering the Director was sort of...fired at the time.
***** Not to mention most of the Ultimania Guides don't really explain anything that well either but rather just prove that a Theory isn't true. It's one thing to say something's not true then give an explanation that IS sensible, but another to say it's not true then...that's it. Case in Point, Rinoa=Ultimecia Theory. An interesting theory which expands the plot of FFVIII by giving Ultimecia an actual backstory beyond being an Evil Time Bitch from the Future. Jossed by the Ultimania Guide...so now Ultimecia is BACK to just being an Evil Time Bitch from the Future. Many people were not amused. Another is Necron being the other half of the Iifa Tree. Jossed by saying...no, Necron really IS just a Giant Space Flea from Nowhere and he isn't foreshadowed or having any REAL relevance to the point asides from poorly explained symbolism. In contrast, FFX Ultimania does expand WHY exactly summoning the Final Aeon kills the Summoner, which not only makes sense but also fits the story perfectly. So Yeah.
****** Rinoa=Ultimecia was a terrible idea with almost no actual backing in the game that completely destroys Rinoa's character. It's literally just the fans pulling ideas out of their ass and latching on to it, that behaviour should not be encouraged. They've never cared about shallow final villains with no real story or motivations made clear in the games, most final bosses in the game fall into that category.
* Why do people insist on trying to put all the FF games into the same universe at different points in time? There's too many differences cosmology-wise between games for it to work.
** Because the idea of all the Final Fantasy worlds being in different solar systems of the same universe makes a whole bunch of sense considering the things that they often have in common.
*** But it doesn't work. The differing functions of the crystals, the differences in what happens when people die, the origin of monsters (e.g. they're from the moon in VIII and are made from angry souls in X), the differences in how magic works, how summons work, etc.
**** What's your point? We have a bunch of different ideas of what happens after you die and different systems of magic in one country, nevermind the entire world. People just figure out different ways to do things.
*** Yes, we have different ''ideas''. Each of the worlds has different '''demonstrated truths''' about what happens after you die. And dunno if you noticed but magic isn't, you know, ''real'' in our world, so it doesn't matter if our countries have different ideas about it. In each Franchise/FinalFantasy world, it ''is'' real, and there is conclusive evidence for how it works, is taught, and stored, and ''they're all different''. You're comparing apples not to oranges, but to Killer Tomatoes. There's no point in comparing something in Franchise/FinalFantasy to our world like that.
** A common fan theory is that the different worlds are the same world in different dimensions, connected through the void. Would explain similarities as well as differences, PLUS the reappearances of Gilgamesh who was thrown into the void in FFV.

* Why has Final Fantasy 2 been made 3 times, despite the fact its the least liked FF game, while Square/Enix have refused to remake [=FF7=], despite the possiblity of fixing the translation, dull first 6 hours and low diffactuly to make a truly awesome game? It would be like printing Money. [=FF7=] has gone out of print so yeah. They said they wouldn't remake it as long as the hardware existed, but [=FF2=] was also on the Psx, and good nees knows more people wanted [=FF7=] on the PSP than [=FF2=] on the PSP. Does someone at Enix have a hard on for old school games with loads of grinding?
** Isn't VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII actually available on the Playstation Store right now? If anything, that's probably a safer bet given that {{Fan Hater}}s will try to make sure the game will sell no more than 4 copies since they judge a game ''solely'' off of a VocalMinority of FanDumb, and half the fanbase would [[NostalgiaFilter trash it and whine about it BECAUSE it's different]]. You do know that whenever Square-Enix and Nintendo are behind a remake of a demanded game, everyone is, at the same time, crying that they actually ''did'' remake it despite ''asking'' to have a remake. (Also, I have no idea if Enix actually would have any ''say'' over Final Fantasy.)
** And since when the hell are the first six hours of Final Fantasy VII dull?! If anything, I thought the game was slightly less interesting the further and further away we get from that masterfully atmospheric, unendingly fascinating city, Nibleheim flashback notwithstanding. The first ten minutes of Final Fantasy VII are some of the most exciting in video game history. Midgar rocks.
** If Square remade [=FF7=], they could single-handedly end the massive global recession. Easy. It would be like printing money, spending that money, and then printing some more money to spend while the previous money cycles back through the system and is acquired by folks. Add in some sidequests, give the whole damn game a graphical facelift on par with Playstation 3 graphics... that game will probably outsell every previous iteration. This troper, for instance, is an XBox fanboy through and through. However, if [=FF7=] were remade, then this troper would DEFINITELY be buying a PS3 and the [=FF7=] remix.
** If Square/Enix did eventually decide to do a remake of FFVII, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if they decided to make it a multi-platform release ala FFXIII. It would also be a smart move on their part as it would effectively double their profits.
** Forget ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' - what does Square-Enix have against ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIII''?! It's gotten on more recommendation lists than ''II'', yet ''it'' never got released in a special edition package. All there is is just the DS remake, Cloud of Darkness and Onion Knight in Dissidia and...that's it.

* It just bugs me how many people complain about each Final Fantasy game getting a number... "Isn't it the 'Final' Fantasy?" Hey, spoiler warning: The Never-ending Story ENDS!
** The games are called 'Final Fantasy' because Square was on the verge of bankruptcy at the time, and threw the last of their budget into making one last game. That then turned them into a gaming powerhouse. So, ironically, their 'Final Fantasy' literally saved the company.
*** It just bugs me how many people get this fact wrong. The game was not named for square's final game, but for the creator, Hironobu Sakaguchi's final game before leaving the game industry. Of course, the game's success changed that plan too.
**** I think that I once watched a documentary on Final Fantasy and they said the reason it was called Final Fantasy was because since there company was going broke that game was there final chance.
** Also, the first game's title was a reference to breaking the Stable Time Loop, so it ran through the literal final fantasy (if you use 'fantasy' as a synonym for 'illusion' or 'surreality'). Fridge logic can apply this to other games (a Stable Time Loop breaking in VIII, the cycle of Sin in X).
** There's another reason why they're called ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' as well: Brand Name Recognition. Why do you think they put similar packaging on related products? So you'd recognize it while browsing through the store -- the same goes for video games, too. (''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' and ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana'' for example.) They also put in advertisements, too. ("From the people who brought you ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' comes... Empire Palmecia!") You'd be surprised how many new franchises (brands) are ignored while the newest Zelda or CallOfDuty have people screaming about them on the internet the second they go into development. You just ''know'' that if Square-Enix decided to remake what would be Franchise/FinalFantasy XV under a ''completely'' different title, that it wouldn't get ''half'' the hype it ''would'' be unless it was ''announced'' under ''Franchise/FinalFantasy 15''. (Heck, they could practically run an entire E3 lineup with nothing but new franchises that they're publishing and developing, and an expansion pack for ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' and everyone would ''immediately'' fixate on the words with ''Franchise/FinalFantasy''.)
* It just bugs me that Gilgamesh has yet to receive his own game. There's more than enough [[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh source]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyV material]] to work with, and plenty of [[FanService cameos]] to go around.

* Why can't they just pick a number of legs for Odin's horse? Sleipnir has 8 legs, not 6, not 4. I'm pretty sure nobody would be bothered by them sticking to 4 or 8 because 4 could just be them not doing the research. Then they put 6, you know they did the research, but they just didn't care. The fact that they change the legs from game to game makes it look like they're trying to be original while using references to Norse mythology.
** While I can't remember the names, Odin has more than one horse that he rides. Sleipnir is just the only one that has more than 4 legs. Now as for Sleipnir only having 6 legs, I'm sure that's just because it looks cooler with only six. Think about Seeing im riding a horse with 8 lugs, and he's effectively riding a giant half horse half beetle, and doesn't look nearly as Badass.
** They can't pick a number of legs for Sleipnir because Summoned Monsters are more about namedropping for the "wow" factor than mythological accuracy. Odin himself was never noted as a deer-horned, green-headed swordsman --he was a one-eyed bearded man who was more famous for his infallible spear, which has only shown up in three games so far as a "secondary" attack. The only resemblance between the Hindu Shiva and the FF Shiva is that the former is sometimes depicted with blue skin. Quetzalcoatl looked like a pale-skinned bearded priest, or the feathered serpent Gucumatz, not a shiny yellow version of VideoGame/ParasiteEve's Ultimate Being. And so on and so forth. Raging about Sleipnir's variable legs is just picking nits compared to the rest of the inaccuracies.

* With everything this franchise has gone through, such as [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyII a confusing level system]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyV insane difficulty]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX an annoying mini-game]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII unnecessary spin-offs]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII a time-consuming Junction system]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII an unnecessary Licensing system]], and an InNameOnly [[Anime/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin film adaptation]], how is it that the linearity of VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII was what ultimately destroyed this franchise?
** Straw that broke the camel's back.
** People have been crying "Ruined Forever" about all the other things, too. BrokenBase is broken, and critics have always been quite vocal about hatred.
** Wait... OP: Which game in the series DID you like?
*** The only one that I've played that I didn't like was XII. I'm just saying that this franchise has had worse "Ruined Forever!" moments than the linearity of XIII.
*** Also, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' was the one with the insane difficulty? I think you meant ''IV''.
**** No, that's ''III''. Cave of Shadows, anyone?
**** And that '''FUCKING LONG TRIP TO THE FINAL BOSS WITHOUT ANY SAVE POINTS''', and hours upon hours of hard work wasted if you got [[TotalPartyKill wiped out]] along the way.
** At least Square was being experimental with those systems. The linearity of XIII was a big step backwards for the series.
** Because linearnity is the only thing on that list that's there because they were being lazy. Everything else was an experiment, something they put work into, but XIII is linear because they didn't want to put the work into making it non-linear. That's when they lose the 'well, at least they tried' trust.
*** Oh, I didn't know you were a member of the design team, and know for a fact that the team that made a multi-million dollar game was a bunch of shiftless lazy bums who just couldn't be bothered to do their jobs. What a revelation!

* Why does a guy that's only involved with artwork (sorry I forgot his name) suffer from CreatorBacklash for stuff he isn't involved in?

* Why does a guy that's only involved with artwork (sorry I forgot his name) suffer from CreatorBacklash for stuff he isn't involved in?

** There's another reason for why they're called ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'', as well: Brand Name Recognition. Why do you think they put similar packaging on related products? So you'd recognize it while browsing through the store - the same goes for Video games, too. (SaGa, WorldOfMana for one) They also put in advertisements, too. ("From the people who brought you ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' comes...Empire Palmecia!") You'd be surprised how many new franchises (brands) are ignored while the newest Zelda or CallOfDuty have people screaming about them on the internet the second they go into development. You just ''know'' that if Square-Enix decided to remake what would be Franchise/FinalFantasy XV under a ''completely'' different title, that it wouldn't get ''half'' the hype it ''would'' be unless it was ''announced'' under ''Franchise/FinalFantasy 15''. (Heck, they could practically run an entire E3 lineup with nothing but new franchises that they're publishing and developing, and an expansion pack for ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' and everyone would ''immediately'' fixate on the words with ''Franchise/FinalFantasy''.)

* How come there are maybe four or five of us who actually don't misblame Nomura for everything? I've seen a lot of old-school final fantasy fans say that every game that has Nomura in the title list is crap? Uhh...okay so then Franchise/FinalFantasy should have stopped at 3 then? No I don't mean SNES 3...Because guess what? ''HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH SQUARE SINCE FINAL FANTASY IV!!!'' He's also only really been a character designer and director. He's had no more to do with the actual video games other than design than the much-worshiped Amano has. (Until ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVersusXIII''...which ironically critics have been praising but the fans will pull the TheyChangedItNowItSucks card) Also...Nomura had absolutely nothing to do with IX's artwork.

** It largely has to do with Vaan's absolute relevance to the plot. You can remove both him and Penelo and alter virtually ''nothing'' without disturbing narrative cohesion. His frequent whining certainly does not help. Not to mention the story seems to take a sickeningly delight in telling you just how useless Vaan is. Balthier trivializes him with his very first line: "I play the leading man." While Ashe does nearly the same every chance she gets. Even ''Penolo'' of all people, gets in on the 'let's ruin Vaan's day, just in case the audience hadn't realized he's completely useless!' All this is further exasperated by him being the "main character" to many people and due to the overall lackluster, or completely absent, character development. Simply put, if Vaan were likable, he may have gotten by somewhat. Alas, he suffers from poor development, little relevance and tends to be annoying. Guy was doomed.

** They can't pick a number of legs for Sleipnir because Summoned Monsters are more about namedropping for the "wow" factor than mythological accuracy. Odin himself was never noted as a deer-horned, green-headed swordsman --he was a one-eyed bearded man who was more famous for his infallible spear, which has only shown up in three games so far as a "secondary" attack. The only resemblance between the Hindu Shiva and the FF Shiva is that the former is sometimes depicted with blue skin. Quetzalcoatl looked like a pale-skinned bearded priest, or the feathered serpent Gucumatz, not a shiny yellow version of ParasiteEve's Ultimate Being. And so on and so forth. Raging about Sleipnir's variable legs is just picking nits compared to the rest of the inaccuracies.