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* Just before Aladdin and Jasmine first meet, he and Abu work together to steal a melon from a street merchant. They then proceed to eat the melon on top of that same merchant's stall. What makes them think he won't take a look up there and see them?
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* Just before Aladdin and Jasmine first meet, he and Abu work together to steal a melon from a street merchant. They then proceed to eat the melon on top of that same merchant's stall. What makes them think he won't take a look up there and see them?
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** As mentioned earlier, there's very likely the possibility that genies cannot be in servitude of other genies. Once Jafar turned into a genie himself, his previous wishes were nullified. And even taking that out, Jafar can't be a genie INSTEAD of a sorcerer, because sorcerers are magic welding-humans, and genies are supernatural spirits. Two things that really can't come hand-in-hand.
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** As mentioned earlier, there's very likely the possibility that genies cannot be in servitude of other genies. Once Jafar turned into a genie himself, his previous wishes were nullified. And even taking that out, Jafar can't be BOTH a genie INSTEAD of AND a sorcerer, because sorcerers are magic welding-humans, and genies are supernatural spirits. Two things that really can't come hand-in-hand.
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** As mentioned earlier, there's very likely the possibility that genies cannot be in servitude of other genies. Once Jafar turned into a genie himself, his previous wishes were nullified. And even taking that out, Jafar can't be a genie INSTEAD of a sorcerer, because sorcerers are magic welding-humans, and genies are supernatural spirits. Two things that really can't come hand-in-hand.
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* Why do Jafar's EvilSorcerer powers seem disappear when he becomes a genie? All of the things he changed magically [[NoOntologicalInertia suddenly change back to normal]] (The rug is fixed, Abu changes back into a real monkey, etc). You'd think becoming a genie would be additive to his sorcerer powers. After all, he said "Make me an all powerful genie", not "Make me a genie ''instead of'' a sorcerer."
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* Why do Jafar's EvilSorcerer powers seem to disappear when he becomes a genie? All of the things he changed magically [[NoOntologicalInertia suddenly change back to normal]] (The rug is fixed, Abu changes back into a real monkey, etc). You'd think becoming a genie would be additive to his sorcerer powers. After all, he said "Make me an all powerful genie", not "Make me a genie ''instead of'' a sorcerer."
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* Why do Jafar's EvilSorcerer powers seem disappear when he becomes a genie? All of the things he changed magically [[NoOntologicalInertia suddenly change back to normal]] (The rug is fixed, Abu changes back into a real monkey, etc). You'd think becoming a genie would be additive to his sorcerer powers. After all, he said "Make me an all powerful Genie", not "Make me a Genie ''instead of'' a sorcerer.
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* Why do Jafar's EvilSorcerer powers seem disappear when he becomes a genie? All of the things he changed magically [[NoOntologicalInertia suddenly change back to normal]] (The rug is fixed, Abu changes back into a real monkey, etc). You'd think becoming a genie would be additive to his sorcerer powers. After all, he said "Make me an all powerful Genie", genie", not "Make me a Genie genie ''instead of'' a sorcerer."
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* Why do Jafar's EvilSorcerer powers seem disappear when he becomes a genie? All of the things he changed magically [[NoOntologicalInertia suddenly change back to normal]] (The rug is fixed, Abu changes back into a real monkey, etc). You'd think becoming a genie would be additive to his sorcerer powers. After all, he said "Make me an all powerful Genie", not "Make me a Genie ''instead of'' a sorcerer.
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** The Return of Jafar verifies that a Genie can be killed if his lamp is destroyed. Genie knew that in the off-chance Jafar knew about this, he'd have no qualms about doing away with a potentially useless slave.
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** He also didn't know for sure that Jafar was Genie's new master. (It's not like Jafar was holding the lamp in this scene) All he knew was that the lamp was no longer under his turban (Clearly he forgot that he left it under a pillow in his room after having a fall-out with Genie.) And Jafar was using Genie to uproot the palace and place it on a mountaintop.
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** He also didn't know for sure that Jafar was Genie's new master. (It's not like Jafar was holding the lamp in this scene) All he knew was that the lamp was no longer under his turban (Clearly he forgot that he left it under a pillow in his room after having a fall-out with Genie.) And Jafar was using Genie to uproot the palace and place it on a mountaintop. That's not enough evidence for Al to lose confidence in the heat of the moment. Genie's "I've got a new master now" line was the only thing that confirmed to Aladdin that there was nothing he could do to convince Genie to disregard Jafar's orders.
*** And even if Al DID know Jafar was officially Genie's new master, he probably thought he still had control of Genie since he hasn't made his third wish yet. Unaware that Jafar's possession of the lamp overrides Aladdin's unfinished bidding.
*** And even if Al DID know Jafar was officially Genie's new master, he probably thought he still had control of Genie since he hasn't made his third wish yet. Unaware that Jafar's possession of the lamp overrides Aladdin's unfinished bidding.
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** He also didn't know for sure that Jafar was Genie's new master. (It's not like Jafar was holding the lamp in this scene) All he knew was that the lamp was no longer under his turban (Clearly he forgot that he left it under a pillow in his room after having a fall-out with Genie.) And Jafar was using Genie to uproot the palace and place it on a mountaintop.
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*** In a feat of FridgeBrilliance I suddenly realized that Al didn't 'use' it. Neither he nor Abu didn't touch it and the carpet itself was very careful not to touch them since that would indeed break the condition of the Cave Guardian. Only after the shit hit the fan and nobody cared about the rules anymore did they actually ride the carpet. As for asking the carpet for directions, the Guardian never forbid that.
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*** In a feat of FridgeBrilliance I suddenly realized that Al didn't 'use' it. Neither he nor Abu didn't touch touched it and the carpet itself was very careful not to touch them since that would indeed break the condition of the Cave Guardian. Only after the shit hit the fan and nobody cared about the rules anymore did they actually ride the carpet. As for asking the carpet for directions, the Guardian never forbid that.
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* Why didn't the cave of wonders just collapse instantly after Abu grabbed the jewel? I know Rule of Cool is why the escape sequence was done like that, but if the cave just closed its mouth, they'd be trapped for good. And the lava wave would catch them at a dead-end; literally!
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* Why didn't the cave of wonders just collapse instantly after Abu grabbed the jewel? I know Rule of Cool is why the escape sequence was done like that, but if the cave just closed its mouth, they'd they'd be trapped for good. And the lava wave would catch them at a dead-end; literally!
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** Off the top, Genie isn’t omnipotent, none of the genies seen in the entire franchise are capable of doing literally everything. Whatever mechanisms govern their existence and magic have limits. For resurrecting the dead, that one is pretty easy to understand: Genie’s magic could reanimate the corpse, and probably give it a crude facsimile of life, but their soul has already departed and is beyond the reach of any magic, and so the person cannot truly be brought back (hence Genie’s rather summarize visual explanation of himself, zombified and unnatural). Love, well, a person’s selfhood in general, would also be an exprolation of the former. Magic cannot affect souls, so the same way it can’t yoink a soul from the afterlife, it also cannot alter a soul. The only one that really seems relatively arbitrary is the ‘no killing’ bit. We can only speculate, but considering Jafar is under the belief he can circumvent it if Abis-Mal wished him free in RoJ, I would suspect it’s a geas of sorts. In exchange for rather intense restrictions (PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!! Itty-bitty living space…) the lamp-bound genies are far more powerful. As for why murder in particular? I would hazard a guess that was to avoid the Genies having power to make good on threats.
** Doylist answer: It’s a Disney movie, and there’s no way they would have a hero murder, mind-rape, or play with life and death. Plus, without those rules, it makes the story important. Genie cannot force anybody to fall in love, and neither can he resurrect the dead, so Aladdin has to woo Jasmine himself, and if anybody dies they’re dead for good. Even in a fantastical setting, death still needs to mean something.
** Doylist answer: It’s a Disney movie, and there’s no way they would have a hero murder, mind-rape, or play with life and death. Plus, without those rules, it makes the story important. Genie cannot force anybody to fall in love, and neither can he resurrect the dead, so Aladdin has to woo Jasmine himself, and if anybody dies they’re dead for good. Even in a fantastical setting, death still needs to mean something.
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** The Lamp is in there really snug. When All takes his hat off to shoo away Rajah, and when Jasmine removes after tricking Al into mentioning Abu, the lamp doesn't fall out.
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** Aladdin really isn't the kind of person who picks a fight. He mostly tries to give Razoul and his men the slip to avoid arrest, and mostly verbally told off Prince Achmed for trying to whip the children. The only time he truly resorts to physical violence is in the climax when Jafar official pushed him to his breaking point, and even then he used a SWORD instead of his own strength. If Al isn't used to harming anyone, he probably isn't to sure how effective it would be. Plus Jafar isn't THAT OLD, he's like in his 40s or 50s, and most men are still in good shape at that age. Jafar could still very likely say "I wish I had the strength of ten thousand men!" before Al took him down.
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* During the initial scene when Jafar first seizes the lamp and makes himself Sultan, Aladdin... jumps off the balcony where he was standing next to Jasmine and the Sultan onto the Carpet, then flies up to Genie and pleads with him not to do what he knows Genie has no choice but to do? Why? Jafar is literally standing a few feet away from him at the start and is, at this point, just a scrawny old man that an active, younger fellow like Aladdin could easily just physically beat up. Jasmine and the Sultan don't have any idea how any of this crazy magic stuff works (and aren't exactly physically imposing themselves) but what's Aladdin's excuse for not just punching the guy's lights out before he can make any more wishes?
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* During the initial scene when Jafar first seizes the lamp and makes himself Sultan, Aladdin... jumps off the balcony where he was standing next to Jasmine and the Sultan onto the Carpet, then flies up to Genie and pleads with him not to do what he knows Genie has no choice but to do? Why? Jafar is literally standing a few feet away from him at the start and is, at this point, just a scrawny old man that an active, younger fellow like Aladdin could easily just physically beat up. Jasmine and the Sultan don't have any idea how any of this crazy magic stuff works (and aren't exactly physically imposing themselves) but what's Aladdin's excuse for not just punching the guy's lights out before he can make any more wishes?
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* Why exactly ''can't'' the genie grant the three things he lists (no killing people, no bringing people BackFromTheDead, no making people fall in love)? He does sort of explain the second one (he technically ''can'' do it, it's just really gross and unpleasant, so he refuses), but what about the other 2? You might say the "no killing people" one is just [[ThouShaltNotKill because he has a moral objection]] to it due to being a good genie, however, the Jafar genie in the sequel can't kill people either, so that's not it, and we don't get any hint of an explanation for why he can't make people fall in love
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* Why exactly ''can't'' the genie grant the three things he lists (no killing people, no bringing people BackFromTheDead, no making people fall in love)? He does sort of explain the second one (he technically ''can'' do it, it's just really gross and unpleasant, so he refuses), but what about the other 2? You might say the "no killing people" one is just [[ThouShaltNotKill because he has a moral objection]] to it due to being a good genie, however, the Jafar genie in the sequel can't kill people either, so that's not it, and we don't get any hint of an explanation for why he can't make people fall in love
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** Maybe the cave had sensed that the one who grabbed the gem wasn’t the same “diamond in the rough” that had been let inside? And therefore, it wanted to give Aladdin a chance to escape whilst trying to trap Abu?
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*** Or maybe, considering the sequel, Jafar knows that while these rules exist, there are also ways to get around them and break them through technicalities. Jafar knows that Genie can't make Jasmine love him at the snap of a finger, but can pull off circumstances that in turn would make Jasmine fall in love with him eventually. (Perhaps put Jasmine through something so horrible, that should Jafar provide her a shoulder to cry on, she'd slowly develop more positive feelings for him.) Of course, this isn't a guaranteed outcome, so Jafar's last wish would be a big trial and error gamble.
*** Maybe it's something you "just know" once you become a genie.
*** Maybe it's something you "just know" once you become a genie.
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** Also, "I would be so grateful, that you'll have a somewhat less powerful and more autonomous being devoted to you" isn't even something that occurred to him at the time. The movie ends with him and Aladdin parting ways, with no expectations or promises that he'll come back. That it ended up as something of a Genie Rumspringa was due to Disney wanting sequels and spin-offs, and explained in-story as him eventually getting lonely.
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** Presumably, Jafar knew her for a long time, possibly since birth, so his mental image of her for the past decade and a half was "literal child", and that he personally didn't get along with her kept his creeper instincts latent. But between Iago's suggestion turning on a "hey she's a young woman" lightbulb, and the rush he's getting from being all-powerful, he's probably developed some new lusts.
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** Yeah, if anything, the Sultan's reaction is understated (And I think supposed to show he's a bit out-of-touch.) By our modern democratic standards Jafar committed a ''human rights violation'', and was mediated like two kids fighting over the shower or the car or something.
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** Plus, what are the odds that any of us meets ''the child of the person running our country?'' In his mind, no sane princess or servant-girl of the palace would wander out in the market unattended dressed in beggar clothing. Occam's razor, even if she did try to say she was from the palace, he would, of course, conclude she was lying.
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** The Himalayas is the most likely canidate, considering geographically speaking, it's much closer to the Middle East than Siberia, which is waaaay up there in Russia in the Arctic circle.
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** I defer you all to the second point in this section. It doesn't take two brain-cells to go, 'OK, so sweet beggar guy is trying to save my life by pretending I'm his mentally-challenged sister so I'll just play along.'
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** RuleOfCool and the sake of drama. Another possibility that it does cause the golem actual pain. I mean, they fly over a literal lake of lava at one point. Doubt Tiger-Golem Man enjoyed that very much.
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** It's probably because he hadn't become an all-powerful sorcerer yet and it's implied that the only reason he didn't hypnotize her into embracing him is because he knows she's strong-willed unlike her father.
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*** He did not say that. In the original draft, she was 15, but Jeffrey Katzenberg made Musker and Clements scrap that because he thought it would hurt Disney's image if they depicted an underage girl being desired by an 18-year-old. Hence they redesigned her to make her appear older and kept her actual age ambiguous.
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** Jasmine immediately thought he was familiar when he showed up on her balcony. But she also found it astronomically unlikely that the street rat, who was supposedly dead, would suddenly come back from the dead as a prince. Plus, she only knew him for a couple of hours at most. Which is not enough time to memorize all facial details. However, she did figure out who he was when he said "Do you trust me?" but played dumb because she was curious what his game was.
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** Same reason why Aurora from Sleeping Beauty was showing her bare ankles in medieval Europe. Same reason why Pocahontas was wearing some kind of rawhide minidress despite no historical Powhatans having considered it appropriate to show so much skin. It's fantasy. Also, the outfit has some thematic significance. Such as freedom. In the 90's, the crop top had reached the height of its popularity among teenage girls and young women and was reinforcing the feminist ideal that a woman's midriff is a symbol of sexual freedom and a woman's power of creating life, similar to how some historical Middle Eastern and Indian societies viewed the midriff. Jasmine's design was simply following that trend. So yeah, it's not really meant to come off as objectification, but rather as sexual liberation. And Agrabah's culture seems surprisingly secular for an Islamic country, as such, it probably doesn't have any strict dress code.
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* In the part where Aladdin says "Good Tiger, take off and go!", which is infamous for being mistaken for something too taboo for a Disney movie, the " take off and go!" part is quieter. Is he whispering to the carpet or Genie as a means to imply "Don't worry about me. I got this." as if one of them was about to intervene with Rajah's move on Al?
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* In the part where Aladdin says "Good Tiger, take off and go!", which is infamous for being mistaken for something too taboo for a Disney movie, the " take off and go!" part is quieter. Is he whispering to the carpet or Genie as a means to imply "Don't worry about me. I got this." as if one of them was about to intervene with Rajah's move on Al?Al? Small detail sure, but in lue of the controversy surrounding that line, it's totally worth mentioning.
