Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Fridge / WolfensteinIITheNewColossus

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** As WebVideo/NoahCaldwellGervais [[https://youtu.be/GGhFBupwfdU?si=qDBh_d64ieja2lUT says]], victory (and getting everything he wanted with no one to set limits or wean him off the drugs) wouldn't make who he was by the time he killed himself any ''better''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


''[[Fridge/Wolfenstein3D Wolf 3D]] - [[Fridge/{{Wolfenstein 2009}} Wolf (2009)]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheNewOrder The New Order]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheOldBlood The Old Blood]] - '''The New Colossus''' ''-]]]]]

to:

''[[Fridge/Wolfenstein3D Wolf 3D]] - [[Fridge/{{Wolfenstein 2009}} Wolf (2009)]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheNewOrder The New Order]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheOldBlood The Old Blood]] - '''The New Colossus''' ''-]]]]]- [[Fridge/WolfensteinYoungblood Youngblood]]''-]]]]]

Added: 383

Changed: 233

Removed: 247

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


!! Fridge pages are Administrivia/SpoilersOff by default, so all spoilers were removed and all entries folderized. Proceed with caution. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.

to:

[[WMG:[[center:[-'''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}''' [[Fridge/{{Wolfenstein}} Fridge pages]]\\
''[[Fridge/Wolfenstein3D Wolf 3D]] - [[Fridge/{{Wolfenstein 2009}} Wolf (2009)]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheNewOrder The New Order]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheOldBlood The Old Blood]] - '''The New Colossus''' ''-]]]]]
!! Fridge pages are Administrivia/SpoilersOff by default, so all spoilers were removed and all entries examples folderized. Proceed with caution. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned



''[[Fridge/Wolfenstein3D Wolf 3D]] - [[Fridge/{{Wolfenstein 2009}} Wolf (2009)]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheNewOrder The New Order]] - [[Fridge/WolfensteinTheOldBlood The Old Blood]] - '''The New Colossus'''''
%%* Fridge/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein
----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
dewicking Knife Nut per TRS


* Why has B.J. swapped [[KnifeNut knives]] for [[AxCrazy axes]]? Remember that [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder the last time he used a knife]], [[TakingYouWithMe it didn't go too well for him]].

to:

* Why has B.J. swapped [[KnifeNut knives]] knives for [[AxCrazy axes]]? Remember that [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder the last time he used a knife]], [[TakingYouWithMe it didn't go too well for him]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** At one point in New Order, Engel mentions that "she did her part" in raising 6 "healthy" aryan children. As we learn in this game, she doesn't consider Sigrun to be "healthy" due to her weight and almost considered euthanizing her. If Sigrun isn't one of the six she mentioned raising, and she just casually considered euthanasia a valid response to "defects", how many of her own children has Engel killed?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Near the end of VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood B.J. has an inner monologue in which he describes his childhood fear of monsters, how he was told they wouldn't threaten him if he was good, but despite his efforts "the monsters came all the same." This line makes a lot more sense when you consider the flashbacks in ''The New Colossus'' and realize the "monster" he was referring to was probably his own father.

to:

* Near the end of VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood ''VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood'' B.J. has an inner monologue in which he describes his childhood fear of monsters, how he was told they wouldn't threaten him if he was good, but despite his efforts "the monsters came all the same." This line makes a lot more sense when you consider the flashbacks in ''The New Colossus'' and realize the "monster" he was referring to was probably his own father.



** At the beginning of ''The New Collossus'' we see how horribly Engel treats her own daughter, but remember in ''The New Order'' she can be heard claiming to have raised ''six'' children. Based on what we have seen, what did Engel do to Sigrun's other siblings growing up? Even worse, what kind of a relationship did they have with Sigrun, considering they were likely being indoctrinated with Nazi Ideology?

to:

** At the beginning of ''The New Collossus'' Colossus'' we see how horribly Engel treats her own daughter, but remember in ''The New Order'' she can be heard claiming to have raised ''six'' children. Based on what we have seen, what did Engel do to Sigrun's other siblings growing up? Even worse, what kind of a relationship did they have with Sigrun, considering they were likely being indoctrinated with Nazi Ideology?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** The Nazis put people in camps with the explicit purpose of making Aryan children, had a incredibly reactionary stance towards women, and thought of Women's Sufferage as a Jewish plot to corrupt the West. It'd be weird if they didn't think Rip did nothing wrong, and honestly thought Zofia's heritage corrupted an otherwise Aryan man.

Added: 238

Changed: 345

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


!! Fridge pages are Administrivia/SpoilersOff by default, so all spoilers were removed and all entries folderized. Proceed with caution. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.
----



!! FridgeBrilliance

to:

!! FridgeBrilliance[[foldercontrol]]

[[folder:FridgeBrilliance]]



** It also shows just how completely the Resistance outclasses the Nazis in scientific smarts when [[spoiler:they successfully use the Ubersoldat tech to transfer BJ's decapitated head to a new body; not only have they figured it out themselves, they've learned how to use it to ''save'' lives rather than as pure weapons of war.]]

to:

** It also shows just how completely the Resistance outclasses the Nazis in scientific smarts when [[spoiler:they they successfully use the Ubersoldat tech to transfer BJ's decapitated head to a new body; not only have they figured it out themselves, they've learned how to use it to ''save'' lives rather than as pure weapons of war.]]



* The game's portrayal of the ancient [[spoiler:Adolf Hitler]] as a broken-down, rambling, senile, delusional, psychopathic borderline invalid is not only awesome for continuing the series' philosophy of giving a huge middle finger to the Nazis, it's actually a ''perfectly logical and realistic portrayal''. [[spoiler:After all, Hitler '''was''' physically and mentally breaking down towards the end of the war in real life, courtesy of ungraceful aging, stress and the ludicrous cocktail of drugs he took on a daily basis. Even if he won the War, Hitler would still have ended up degenerating into this kind of human wreckage; Nazi super-science might have kept him alive for decades longer than he should have, but it can't undo the damage he's done to himself.]]

to:

* The game's portrayal of the ancient [[spoiler:Adolf Hitler]] Adolf Hitler as a broken-down, rambling, senile, delusional, psychopathic borderline invalid is not only awesome for continuing the series' philosophy of giving a huge middle finger to the Nazis, it's actually a ''perfectly logical and realistic portrayal''. [[spoiler:After After all, Hitler '''was''' physically and mentally breaking down towards the end of the war in real life, courtesy of ungraceful aging, stress and the ludicrous cocktail of drugs he took on a daily basis. Even if he won the War, Hitler would still have ended up degenerating into this kind of human wreckage; Nazi super-science might have kept him alive for decades longer than he should have, but it can't undo the damage he's done to himself.]]



* BJ is seriously annoyed throughout his incognito adventure on [[spoiler: Venus]], and hates his disguise. It's because it makes him look a ''lot'' like Rip.

to:

* BJ is seriously annoyed throughout his incognito adventure on [[spoiler: Venus]], Venus, and hates his disguise. It's because it makes him look a ''lot'' like Rip.



* B.J.'s hatred for the Nazis takes on a whole new level when you see just how much his dad resembled one of them; Rip was basically a Nazi in all but lineage. The fact that [[spoiler: he turned LesCollaborateurs by selling out his ethnic neighbors [[MoralEventHorizon and his own wife]] for money]] is thus both horrifying and unsurprising.

to:

* B.J.'s hatred for the Nazis takes on a whole new level when you see just how much his dad resembled one of them; Rip was basically a Nazi in all but lineage. The fact that [[spoiler: he turned LesCollaborateurs by selling out his ethnic neighbors [[MoralEventHorizon and his own wife]] for money]] money is thus both horrifying and unsurprising.



* B.J. is able to handle three cups of [[spoiler:Ol' Horton's special]] because of [[spoiler:his new, SuperSoldier-based body]].
* B.J.'s [[spoiler:head transplant onto a new body that isn't dying]] might come off as pure science fiction. However in reality such operations have actually been successfully performed in real life on both laboratory mice and monkeys. In fact the only two really unbelievable parts about the event are [[spoiler:The less then sterile conditions of the initial procedure to save B.J.'s brain and the manner in which it was removed. The risk of infection with the former would seriously hamper any chance at recovery especially with people touching the open wound at the bottom of his neck. Furthermore the damage from the repeated unclean hacks with the sword used to behead him would not be conducive to delicate surgery.]]

to:

* B.J. is able to handle three cups of [[spoiler:Ol' Ol' Horton's special]] special because of [[spoiler:his his new, SuperSoldier-based body]].
body.
* B.J.'s [[spoiler:head head transplant onto a new body that isn't dying]] dying might come off as pure science fiction. However in reality such operations have actually been successfully performed in real life on both laboratory mice and monkeys. In fact the only two really unbelievable parts about the event are [[spoiler:The the less then sterile conditions of the initial procedure to save B.J.'s brain and the manner in which it was removed. The risk of infection with the former would seriously hamper any chance at recovery especially with people touching the open wound at the bottom of his neck. Furthermore the damage from the repeated unclean hacks with the sword used to behead him would not be conducive to delicate surgery.]]



* New players might wonder how B.J. suddenly functions so well without his armor during his escape from the courtroom. It makes more sense once you learn [[spoiler: he's just dreaming.]]

to:

* New players might wonder how B.J. suddenly functions so well without his armor during his escape from the courtroom. It makes more sense once you learn [[spoiler: he's just dreaming.]]



* Wyatt's sudden breakdown in New Order and insecurities makes even more sense after it's revealed that he was disowned by his father and his mother committed suicide when he ran off to fight in the war. The first ever choice he made in defiance of an authority figure not only caused his mother to die, but also ultimately accomplished nothing but get a bunch of people killed. The offscreen death of Prendergast just further reinforced in Wyatt that he's just continually making bad decisions and other people are paying for it. [[spoiler: It puts a deeper meaning to his hallucinations when he thinks his lizard buddy has died, as it would have been the last straw for him to end it all. Fortunately BJ managed to punch some sense into him. It also makes his ending speech all the more powerful as he finally steps into the role of a leader.]]
* [[spoiler: Adolf Hitler]] describes the play that he's writing to be his "ultimate masterpiece", and that he spent hours making sure "every scene, every line, every single syllable is flawless". And yet, from what little we do get to see from his script, it seems that he's constantly breaking one of the most important rules in media: [[ShowDontTell show, don't tell.]] [[spoiler: [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler It seems that, even with the war won in his favor, Hitler still isn't that great of an artist.]]]]

to:

* Wyatt's sudden breakdown in New Order and insecurities makes even more sense after it's revealed that he was disowned by his father and his mother committed suicide when he ran off to fight in the war. The first ever choice he made in defiance of an authority figure not only caused his mother to die, but also ultimately accomplished nothing but get a bunch of people killed. The offscreen death of Prendergast just further reinforced in Wyatt that he's just continually making bad decisions and other people are paying for it. [[spoiler: It puts a deeper meaning to his hallucinations when he thinks his lizard buddy has died, as it would have been the last straw for him to end it all. Fortunately BJ managed to punch some sense into him. It also makes his ending speech all the more powerful as he finally steps into the role of a leader.]]

* [[spoiler: Adolf Hitler]] Hitler describes the play that he's writing to be his "ultimate masterpiece", and that he spent hours making sure "every scene, every line, every single syllable is flawless". And yet, from what little we do get to see from his script, it seems that he's constantly breaking one of the most important rules in media: [[ShowDontTell show, don't tell.]] [[spoiler: [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler It seems that, even with the war won in his favor, Hitler still isn't that great of an artist.]]]]]]



** I didn't even notice this until my second playthrough, but listen to some of Rip's dialogue, especially during the first flashback. Rip's certainly a racist, but what ''really'' makes him a problem is that he's an extreme narcissist. When he's "punishing" BJ for being friends with a black girl, it's not because he thinks what his son did was wrong- it's because he's worried about how it will affect his social status. When he takes B.J. into the basement ostensibly to confront his fears, he outright says that it's because B.J. keeps waking him up with his screams. When B.J. is attacked by bullies, Rip refused to help his own son and instead shifted the blame on him. He's a selfish man who has no respect for others. Is it any wonder that a man like him would [[spoiler: sell out his own wife and neighbors for wealth]].

to:

** I didn't even notice this until my second playthrough, but listen Listen to some of Rip's dialogue, especially during the first flashback. Rip's certainly a racist, but what ''really'' makes him a problem is that he's an extreme narcissist. When he's "punishing" BJ for being friends with a black girl, it's not because he thinks what his son did was wrong- it's because he's worried about how it will affect his social status. When he takes B.J. into the basement ostensibly to confront his fears, he outright says that it's because B.J. keeps waking him up with his screams. When B.J. is attacked by bullies, Rip refused to help his own son and instead shifted the blame on him. He's a selfish man who has no respect for others. Is it any wonder that a man like him would [[spoiler: sell out his own wife and neighbors for wealth]].wealth.




!! FridgeHorror

to:

\n!! FridgeHorror[[/folder]]

[[folder:FridgeHorror]]



* The Nazi regime has demonized B.J. to the point that [[spoiler: Hitler himself]] tries to make a propaganda film about how "evil" he is. He's practically played up as the equivalent of the greatest SerialKiller in human history by the Nazis, and thus outed to be the most twisted, vile individual on the planet [[HeroWithBadPublicity from their point of view.]] Now imagine the utter hell the Resistance would have to go through if the Nazis ever discovered that Anya was carrying twins from what the regime effectively considers the mortal AntiChrist.
* This may or may not be fridge, but here's one: in the beginning scene before and after Wyatt is nearly beheaded, he appears to be on the verge of emotionally breaking down; why after maturing over the years is he losing it now? [[spoiler: Probably because he just watched Caroline Becker's - a dear friend and possible motherly figure - gruesome execution and desecration of her corpse.]]
** [[spoiler: The scene plays out almost identically to the one from 1946 when Fergus was killed: both Wyatt and BJ are being held down as they helplessly watch a friend be brutally murdered and mutilated; poor Wyatt was probably having flashbacks to those terrible memories.]]
** In a related case, for Fergus in his equivalent scenario, [[spoiler:he shouts "Don't you fucking touch her!", much like how Deathshead examined Wyatt. Fergus similarly became friends with Becker, and shouts defiantly all the same]].

to:

* The Nazi regime has demonized B.J. to the point that [[spoiler: Hitler himself]] himself tries to make a propaganda film about how "evil" he is. He's practically played up as the equivalent of the greatest SerialKiller in human history by the Nazis, and thus outed to be the most twisted, vile individual on the planet [[HeroWithBadPublicity from their point of view.]] Now imagine the utter hell the Resistance would have to go through if the Nazis ever discovered that Anya was carrying twins from what the regime effectively considers the mortal AntiChrist.
* This may or may not be fridge, but here's one: in the beginning scene before and after Wyatt is nearly beheaded, he appears to be on the verge of emotionally breaking down; why after maturing over the years is he losing it now? [[spoiler: Probably because he just watched Caroline Becker's - a dear friend and possible motherly figure - gruesome execution and desecration of her corpse.]]
corpse.
** [[spoiler: The scene plays out almost identically to the one from 1946 when Fergus was killed: both Wyatt and BJ are being held down as they helplessly watch a friend be brutally murdered and mutilated; poor Wyatt was probably having flashbacks to those terrible memories.]]
memories.
** In a related case, for Fergus in his equivalent scenario, [[spoiler:he he shouts "Don't you fucking touch her!", much like how Deathshead examined Wyatt. Fergus similarly became friends with Becker, and shouts defiantly all the same]].same.



** At the beginning of ''The New Collossus'' we see how horribly Engel treats her own daughter, but remember in ''The New Order'' she can be heard claiming to have raised ''six'' children. Based on what we have seen, what did Engel do to Sigrun's other siblings growing up? Even worse, what kind of a relationship did they have with Sigrun, considering they were likely being indoctrinated with Nazi Ideology?

to:

** At the beginning of ''The New Collossus'' we see how horribly Engel treats her own daughter, but remember in ''The New Order'' she can be heard claiming to have raised ''six'' children. Based on what we have seen, what did Engel do to Sigrun's other siblings growing up? Even worse, what kind of a relationship did they have with Sigrun, considering they were likely being indoctrinated with Nazi Ideology?Ideology?
[[/folder]]
----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** His brief friendship with Billie likely also helped, since her personality didn't line up with what Rip was claiming.
** Given B.J.'s obvious resentment for his father, his more open-minded attitude could have originated as an act of defiance.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** As noted on the main page, it's also somewhat odd that the Nazis and KKK would be on speaking terms, [[EvilVsEvil since both groups hated each other in Real Life]], [[RightForTheWrongReasons since the white supremacist KKK were mad at the Nazis for supporting the Asian Japanese]]. However, as revealed in The New Order, [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder the Nazis turned on their "allies" in the Axis, including the Japanese]], so it's likely their invasion and occupation of Japan (along with [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything turning much of the American South into a chattel slavery system ripped from the Confederate States of America]]) that the Klan would decide to try burying the hatchet with the Nazis (although as the "Dankey shaun?" conversation shows, the Nazis are less enthusiastic due to the southerners mangling the German language, and thus making the Klan members less likely to be assimilated before "Transition Day" makes speaking English punishable by execution).

to:

** As noted on the main page, it's also somewhat odd that the Nazis and KKK would be on speaking terms, [[EvilVsEvil [[EvilVersusEvil since both groups hated each other in Real Life]], [[RightForTheWrongReasons since the white supremacist KKK were mad at the Nazis for supporting the Asian Japanese]]. However, as revealed in The New Order, [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder the Nazis turned on their "allies" in the Axis, including the Japanese]], so it's likely their invasion and occupation of Japan (along with [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything turning much of the American South into a chattel slavery system ripped from the Confederate States of America]]) that the Klan would decide to try burying the hatchet with the Nazis (although as the "Dankey shaun?" conversation shows, the Nazis are less enthusiastic due to the southerners mangling the German language, and thus making the Klan members less likely to be assimilated before "Transition Day" makes speaking English punishable by execution).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's some dialogue in the Erich Eberhardt assassination mission that offers some insight into how B.J.'s childhood is framed in the Nazis' film about him that offers some disturbing insight into their perspective. The events of B.J.'s life are distorted to the point where they claim Zofia indoctrinated B.J. from a young age with the sole intention of turning him into a killer, which eventually caused him to kill his own father. In their mind Zofia was the real abuser while Rip was just unlucky and failed to stop her. Considering we see what ''actually'' happened in the flashbacks, it says a lot about the Nazis that when looking back on B.J.'s life, they find the guy who forced B.J. to shoot his own dog just to make a point to be the most ''sympathetic'' person involved.

to:

* There's some dialogue in the Erich Eberhardt assassination mission that offers some insight into how B.J.'s childhood is framed in the Nazis' film about him that offers some disturbing insight into their perspective. The events of B.J.'s life are distorted to the point where they claim Zofia indoctrinated B.J. from a young age with the sole intention of turning him into a killer, which eventually caused him to kill his own father. In their mind Zofia was the real abuser while Rip was just unlucky and failed to stop her. Considering we see what ''actually'' happened in the flashbacks, it says a lot about the Nazis that when looking back on B.J.'s life, they find the guy who forced B.J. to shoot his own dog just to make a point to be the most ''sympathetic'' person involved.involved.
** If they actually ''sympathize'' with Rip Blazkowicz over the people he abused, how do they feel about abusive relationships in general? Do they even have a concept of "abuse?" Part of the reason Zofia stayed with Rip was probably because in 1919 it was ''very'' hard to get a divorce, especially for a woman, and domestic abuse wasn't recognized as a valid reason for doing so. With the Nazis taking over what few legal precedents did exist are gone. If Rip is anything to go on, then just how many people are now trapped in relationships with abusive parents or spouses because of the Nazis ''defending'' the abuser, possibly even enabling or encouraging it. While General Engel's abuse of her daughter and lack of accountability could be attributed to her status, she does seem to treat it as though it's perfectly normal.
** At the beginning of ''The New Collossus'' we see how horribly Engel treats her own daughter, but remember in ''The New Order'' she can be heard claiming to have raised ''six'' children. Based on what we have seen, what did Engel do to Sigrun's other siblings growing up? Even worse, what kind of a relationship did they have with Sigrun, considering they were likely being indoctrinated with Nazi Ideology?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** This may be supported by dialogue in the mission to assassinate Erich Eberhardt, which indicates the Nazis' version of B.J.'s childhood instead frames Zofia as the real abuser and Rip as the tragic hero who failed to stop her.



* Near the end of VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood B.J. has an inner monologue in which he describes his childhood fear of monsters, how he was told they wouldn't threaten him if he was good, but despite his efforts "the monsters came all the same." This line makes a lot more sense when you consider the flashbacks in ''The New Colossus'' and realize the "monster" he was referring to was probably his own father.

to:

* Near the end of VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood B.J. has an inner monologue in which he describes his childhood fear of monsters, how he was told they wouldn't threaten him if he was good, but despite his efforts "the monsters came all the same." This line makes a lot more sense when you consider the flashbacks in ''The New Colossus'' and realize the "monster" he was referring to was probably his own father.father.
* There's some dialogue in the Erich Eberhardt assassination mission that offers some insight into how B.J.'s childhood is framed in the Nazis' film about him that offers some disturbing insight into their perspective. The events of B.J.'s life are distorted to the point where they claim Zofia indoctrinated B.J. from a young age with the sole intention of turning him into a killer, which eventually caused him to kill his own father. In their mind Zofia was the real abuser while Rip was just unlucky and failed to stop her. Considering we see what ''actually'' happened in the flashbacks, it says a lot about the Nazis that when looking back on B.J.'s life, they find the guy who forced B.J. to shoot his own dog just to make a point to be the most ''sympathetic'' person involved.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Also a good way to keep Hitler's condition from becoming public knowledge. If he did need to make a public address, it could be recorded and edited to omit anything the Nazis feel makes him look weak.



** I didn't even notice this until my second playthrough, but listen to some of Rip's dialogue, especially during the first flashback. Rip's certainly a racist, but what ''really'' makes him a problem is that he's an extreme narcissist. When he's "punishing" BJ for being friends with a black girl, it's not because he thinks what his son did was wrong- it's because he's worried about how it will affect his social status. When he takes B.J. into the basement ostensibly to confront his fears, he outright says that it's because B.J. keeps waking him up with his screams. When B.J. is attacked by bullies, Rip refused to help his own son and instead shifted the blame on him. He's a selfish man who has no respect for others. Is it any wonder that a man like him would [[spoiler: sell out his own wife and neighbors for wealth]].



* The resistance's... ''liberal'' use of nuclear weapons is somewhat troubling. You will find out on your assassination missions that most places you have visited are now irradiated (namely Roswell and New Orleans).

to:

* The resistance's... ''liberal'' use of nuclear weapons is somewhat troubling. You will find out on your assassination missions that most places you have visited are now irradiated (namely Roswell and New Orleans).Orleans).
* Near the end of VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood B.J. has an inner monologue in which he describes his childhood fear of monsters, how he was told they wouldn't threaten him if he was good, but despite his efforts "the monsters came all the same." This line makes a lot more sense when you consider the flashbacks in ''The New Colossus'' and realize the "monster" he was referring to was probably his own father.

Top