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* Max's Flanderization into a DumbassTeenageSon as the show goes on might actually have a fairly heartbreaking InUniverse explanation. Early on Max was actually shown to try hard at improving his school performance and impressing his parents, but every time he did one of Carmen's antics would distract them from him, during his fifth-grade graduation, instead of celebrating Max's achievement afterwards, they were calling the police because Carmen had run away with Zack, when Max wins second place at the science fair, instead of taking him to dinner like they planned, George and Angie had to go to the police station because Carmen and Jason had been arrested, leaving Max to eat a can of frosting at home alone for dinner. Due to these constant distractions, as well as seeing that bad behavior receives more attention than good, it makes sense that Max no longer say any reason to put any effort into his school work.
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* Max's Flanderization {{Flanderization}} into a DumbassTeenageSon as the show goes on might actually have a fairly heartbreaking InUniverse explanation. Early on Max was actually shown to try hard at improving his school performance and impressing his parents, but every time he did one of Carmen's antics would distract them from him, during his fifth-grade graduation, instead of celebrating Max's achievement afterwards, they were calling the police because Carmen had run away with Zack, when Max wins second place at the science fair, instead of taking him to dinner like they planned, George and Angie had to go to the police station because Carmen and Jason had been arrested, leaving Max to eat a can of frosting at home alone for dinner. Due to these constant distractions, as well as seeing that bad behavior receives more attention than good, it makes sense that Max no longer say any reason to put any effort into his school work.
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** However, while both Angie and George share the flaws of their parents, they aren't ''defined'' by them. George can learn to be more sensitive and understanding, and Angie can put her foot down when her children act out of line and seems much more humble and kind compared to her own overprivileged family.
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** However, while both Angie and George share the flaws of their parents, they aren't ''defined'' by them. George can learn to be more sensitive and understanding, and Angie can put her foot down when her children act out of line and seems much more humble humbler and kind kinder compared to her own overprivileged family.
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* Emilina has only one appearance on the show (a ChristmasEpisode) and isn't shown visiting the Lopez family to the point where her death left no emotional impact on her grandson Max. But it is understandable why. In her first appearance, she is just as snobbish to George as Vic, but while [[TookALevelInKindness Vic did grow out of it once he moved to Los Angeles]], Emilina was never shown changing her opinion about George. Later she cheated on Vic, something that angered Angie so much that she called her mother an ungrateful tramp in their last phone conversation and George felt bad for Vic. Her paucity of appearances was because she left a poor impression on George and Angie
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* Emilina has only one appearance on the show (a ChristmasEpisode) and isn't shown visiting the Lopez family to the point where her death left no emotional impact on her grandson Max. But it is understandable why. In her first appearance, she is just as snobbish to George as Vic, but while [[TookALevelInKindness Vic did grow out of it once he moved to Los Angeles]], Emilina was never shown changing her opinion about George. Later she cheated on Vic, something that angered Angie so much that she called her mother an ungrateful tramp in their last phone conversation conversation, and George felt bad for Vic. Her paucity lack of appearances was because she left a poor impression on George and Angie
Angie and wasn't allowed to visit.
* Benny didn't let George drive as a kid, partly because she was afraid he would die in an accident and partly because wrecking the car would've bankrupted her. But it is important to remember that when George was a teenager, vehicle safety laws and auto safety regulations were far laxer. Seeing how driving was much more dangerous in the 1980s, and the ability to prosecute reckless drivers was harder, one can see Benny's point.
* Benny didn't let George drive as a kid, partly because she was afraid he would die in an accident and partly because wrecking the car would've bankrupted her. But it is important to remember that when George was a teenager, vehicle safety laws and auto safety regulations were far laxer. Seeing how driving was much more dangerous in the 1980s, and the ability to prosecute reckless drivers was harder, one can see Benny's point.
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* Discussed in "George Helps Ernie See The Cellu-Light." If Ernie didn't lose weight, he could end up as big as his mom. She's morbidly obese, and except from the waist down she isn't seen. Her size is FridgeHorror in itself.
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* Discussed in "George Helps Ernie See The Cellu-Light." If Ernie didn't lose weight, he could end up become as big as his mom. She's morbidly obese, and except from the waist down she isn't seen. Her size is FridgeHorror in itself.
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* While defending Zack Powers, Carmen at one point blames Zack's problems on his family life. While none of this excuses his behavior, she might have a point:
** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time]]. It is implied that Mel also was a lousy husband to Zack's mom, which would explain, in part, Zack's general lack of respect for women.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, George at one point call Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.
** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time]]. It is implied that Mel also was a lousy husband to Zack's mom, which would explain, in part, Zack's general lack of respect for women.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, George at one point call Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.
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* While defending Zack Powers, Carmen at one point blames Zack's problems on his family life. While none of this excuses his behavior, she might have a point:
** On top of beingkind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is would be an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that Worse, he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time]]. It is implied that Mel also was a lousy husband to Zack's mom, which would explain, in part, Zack's general lack of respect for women.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, George at onepoint call point, calls Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.ways in this environment.
** On top of being
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, George at one
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** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his incredibly dysfunctional childhood would mess anybody up. While George might have a reason to despise Zack, his refusal to treat him as anything but a nuisance probably isn't helping matters at all.
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** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his incredibly dysfunctional childhood would mess anybody up. While George might have a reason to despise be justified in hating Zack, his refusal to treat him as anything but a nuisance probably isn't helping matters at all.and would only contribute to Zack's delinquency.
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* Emilina, Angie's mother and Vic's ex-wife, passed away in the last season. She cheated on and later divorced Vic, who is a cardiologist. What did Emilina die of? A heart attack. Karma, perhaps?
* George's half-brother turning out spoiled and irresponsible makes sense. Manny admits he felt guilt for ditching George and leaving him with Benny, so him spoiling George II rotten was probably him overcompensating for not having been there for George.
* Claudia, Veronica's mother, making George the trustee, makes a lot of sense when you see that her own extended family and acquaintances don't seem to be good role models.
* George's half-brother turning out spoiled and irresponsible makes sense. Manny admits he felt guilt for ditching George and leaving him with Benny, so him spoiling George II rotten was probably him overcompensating for not having been there for George.
* Claudia, Veronica's mother, making George the trustee, makes a lot of sense when you see that her own extended family and acquaintances don't seem to be good role models.
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* Emilina, Angie's mother and Vic's ex-wife, ex-wife passed away in the last season. She cheated on and later divorced Vic, who is a cardiologist. What did Emilina die of? A heart attack. Karma, perhaps?
* George's half-brother turning out spoiled and irresponsible makes sense. Manny admits he felt guilt for ditching George and leaving him with Benny, sohim his spoiling George II rotten was probably him overcompensating for not having been there for George.
* Claudia, Veronica's mother, making George the trustee, makes a lot of sense when you see that herown extended family and acquaintances don't seem to be good role models.
* George's half-brother turning out spoiled and irresponsible makes sense. Manny admits he felt guilt for ditching George and leaving him with Benny, so
* Claudia, Veronica's mother, making George the trustee, makes a lot of sense when you see that her
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** Gloria herself has a really poor love life, even being desperate enough to kiss her own brother-in-law. It would be understandable why Claudia doesn't think Gloria would make a good guardian for Veronica.
** A lot of Claudia's other relatives, namely the ones from the Palmero family, seem to be awful snobs: one of them openly wishes Angie divorced George, and one of them condescendingly assumed George was too poor to fly to Miami. One of them sued Veronica for her trustee's money and Veronica herself has a low opinion of them. Claudia would not want those relatives taking care of Veronica and would also like to get back at them by picking the guy they hate the most to be their trustee.
** George, for all his flaws, is a hard-working, street smart, self-made man, who tries to help his kids. Claudia would definitely see George as a more reliable role model for Veronica compared to her own family.
** A lot of Claudia's other relatives, namely the ones from the Palmero family, seem to be awful snobs: one of them openly wishes Angie divorced George, and one of them condescendingly assumed George was too poor to fly to Miami. One of them sued Veronica for her trustee's money and Veronica herself has a low opinion of them. Claudia would not want those relatives taking care of Veronica and would also like to get back at them by picking the guy they hate the most to be their trustee.
** George, for all his flaws, is a hard-working, street smart, self-made man, who tries to help his kids. Claudia would definitely see George as a more reliable role model for Veronica compared to her own family.
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** Gloria herself has a really poor an abysmal love life, even being life and was desperate enough to kiss her own brother-in-law. It would be understandable why Claudia doesn't think Gloria would make a good guardian for Veronica.
** A lot of Claudia's other relatives, namely the ones from the Palmero family, seem to be awful snobs: one of them openly wishes Angie divorcedGeorge, and George, one of them condescendingly assumed George was too poor to fly to Miami. One Miami, one of them sued Veronica for her trustee's money and Veronica herself has a low opinion of them. Claudia would not want those relatives taking care of Veronica and would also like to get back at them by picking the guy they hate the most to be their trustee.
** George, for all his flaws, is a hard-working,street smart, street-smart, self-made man, who tries to help his kids. Claudia would definitely see George as a more reliable role model for Veronica compared to than her own family.
** A lot of Claudia's other relatives, namely the ones from the Palmero family, seem to be awful snobs: one of them openly wishes Angie divorced
** George, for all his flaws, is a hard-working,
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** In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her ''teacher'' no less. She also romaces George's boss to manipulate him into making George's life miserable. Considering the failure of her parent's marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship.
** Veronica's irresponsibility with money stems from her father being a crooked con artist who abandoned her and stole her quinceanera cash, this would've turned Veronica into a spendthrift person.
** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values. Heck, one of them contested her own mother's will, most likely for the millions she left her daughter, so it's safe to say they don't really care much for her well being either.
* Vic trying to romance George's long-lost sister and later another younger woman who cheats on him makes a ton of sense: he is deeply insecure after the failure of his marriage with Emilina, who ran off with a younger man. Wanting a younger woman and splurging on gifts shows how desperate he is.
* Benny scaring [[ScareEmStraight a young George with stories about the Zodiac Killer]] makes a ton of sense: they both lived in a rough neighborhood with dangerous criminals and while Benny was rough, she didn't want to wake up finding out her son nearly died. In this instance, Benny's rough parenting is somewhat justified, since she wanted George to be street smart and wary of anyone who could hurt him.
* While Benny's really awful parents explain her own less-than-stellar parenting, it could also explain her promiscuity and her failed marriage with Manny: her father was apparently a wife basher who hit Luisa. Seeing her father behave this way negatively impacted her relationship with Manny, and why she spent most of her life sleeping around with other men rather than staying in any committed relationship.
** Veronica's irresponsibility with money stems from her father being a crooked con artist who abandoned her and stole her quinceanera cash, this would've turned Veronica into a spendthrift person.
** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values. Heck, one of them contested her own mother's will, most likely for the millions she left her daughter, so it's safe to say they don't really care much for her well being either.
* Vic trying to romance George's long-lost sister and later another younger woman who cheats on him makes a ton of sense: he is deeply insecure after the failure of his marriage with Emilina, who ran off with a younger man. Wanting a younger woman and splurging on gifts shows how desperate he is.
* Benny scaring [[ScareEmStraight a young George with stories about the Zodiac Killer]] makes a ton of sense: they both lived in a rough neighborhood with dangerous criminals and while Benny was rough, she didn't want to wake up finding out her son nearly died. In this instance, Benny's rough parenting is somewhat justified, since she wanted George to be street smart and wary of anyone who could hurt him.
* While Benny's really awful parents explain her own less-than-stellar parenting, it could also explain her promiscuity and her failed marriage with Manny: her father was apparently a wife basher who hit Luisa. Seeing her father behave this way negatively impacted her relationship with Manny, and why she spent most of her life sleeping around with other men rather than staying in any committed relationship.
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** In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her ''teacher'' no less. She also romaces romances George's boss to manipulate him into making George's life miserable. Considering the failure of her parent's marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship.
** Veronica's irresponsibility with money stems from her father being a crooked con artist who abandoned her and stole her quinceaneracash, cash; this would've turned Veronica into a spendthrift person.
** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values. Heck, one of them contested her own mother's will, most likely for the millions she left her daughter, so it's safe to say they don't really care much for herwell being well-being either.
* It is easy to see why Victrying tried to romance George's long-lost sister and later another younger woman who cheats on him makes a ton of sense: him: he is deeply insecure after the failure of his marriage with Emilina, who ran off with a younger man. Wanting a younger woman and splurging on gifts shows how desperate he is.feels to find any kind of love.
* Benny scaring [[ScareEmStraight a young George with stories about the Zodiac Killer]] makes a ton of sense: they both lived in a rough neighborhood with dangerous criminals and while Benny was rough, she didn't want to wake up finding out her son nearly died. In this instance, Benny's rough parenting is somewhat justified, since she wanted George to bestreet smart street-smart and wary of anyone who could hurt him.
* While Benny's really awful parents explain her own less-than-stellar parenting, it could also explain her promiscuity and her failed marriage with Manny: her father was apparently a wife basher who hit Luisa. Seeing her father behave this way negatively impacted her relationship withManny, Manny and why she spent most of her life sleeping around with other men rather than staying in any committed relationship.
** Veronica's irresponsibility with money stems from her father being a crooked con artist who abandoned her and stole her quinceanera
** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values. Heck, one of them contested her own mother's will, most likely for the millions she left her daughter, so it's safe to say they don't really care much for her
* It is easy to see why Vic
* Benny scaring [[ScareEmStraight a young George with stories about the Zodiac Killer]] makes a ton of sense: they both lived in a rough neighborhood with dangerous criminals and while Benny was rough, she didn't want to wake up finding out her son nearly died. In this instance, Benny's rough parenting is somewhat justified, since she wanted George to be
* While Benny's really awful parents explain her own less-than-stellar parenting, it could also explain her promiscuity and her failed marriage with Manny: her father was apparently a wife basher who hit Luisa. Seeing her father behave this way negatively impacted her relationship with
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** Mel initially [[ParentalNeglect brushed off George's demands that he rein Zack in]], but after he ran off with one of his employee's daughters and stole thousands of dollars from him, Mel finally reached his limit with Zack. He either forced him back to therapy, forced him into a military school, or straight up disowned him and kicked him out of the house. It is telling that he didn't fire Benny for smacking his son with a wrench.
* Carmen has a habit of making questionable decisions that drive both George and Angie up a wall. [[TraumaCongaLine But look at the things she's been through]]:
* Carmen has a habit of making questionable decisions that drive both George and Angie up a wall. [[TraumaCongaLine But look at the things she's been through]]:
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** Mel initially [[ParentalNeglect brushed off George's demands that he rein Zack in]], but after he ran off with one of his employee's daughters and stole thousands of dollars from him, Mel finally reached his limit with Zack. He either forced him back to therapy, forced him therapy or into a military school, school or straight up disowned him and kicked him out of the house. It is telling that he didn't fire Benny for smacking his son with a wrench.wrench, implying that he also felt Zack had it coming.
* Carmen has a habit of making questionable decisions that driveboth George and Angie up a wall. [[TraumaCongaLine But look at the things she's been through]]:
* Carmen has a habit of making questionable decisions that drive
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** Zack Powers also used and manipulated her for the purpose of sleeping with her.
** While George means well, [[JerkassBall he can also have moments of being downright nasty to her even when she didn't deserve it]]. Angie herself can coddle her a lot.
** Her "best" boyfriend, Jason, was very imperfect and strung her along.
* Carmen going to school in Vermont makes great sense: Carmen has an interest in poetry and Vermont as a strong literary tradition.
* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but she also admits she bought them.]] Luisa is likely [[BitchInSheepsClothing putting on an act for George by pretending to be a motherly person]] [[FeminineWomenCanCook and supposedly making tamales]] is part of the act. Her food both being not made by her and tasting rotten is representative of how fake and rotten she really is.
** While George means well, [[JerkassBall he can also have moments of being downright nasty to her even when she didn't deserve it]]. Angie herself can coddle her a lot.
** Her "best" boyfriend, Jason, was very imperfect and strung her along.
* Carmen going to school in Vermont makes great sense: Carmen has an interest in poetry and Vermont as a strong literary tradition.
* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but she also admits she bought them.]] Luisa is likely [[BitchInSheepsClothing putting on an act for George by pretending to be a motherly person]] [[FeminineWomenCanCook and supposedly making tamales]] is part of the act. Her food both being not made by her and tasting rotten is representative of how fake and rotten she really is.
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** Zack Powers also used and manipulated her for the purpose of sleeping to sleep with her.
** While George means well, [[JerkassBall he can also have moments of being downright nasty to her even when she didn't deserve it]]. Angie herself cancoddle spoil her a lot.
** Her "best" boyfriend, Jason, wasvery imperfect and strung her along.
* Carmen going to school in Vermont makesgreat excellent sense: Carmen has an interest is interested in poetry and Vermont as a strong literary tradition.
* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but shealso later admits she bought them.]] Luisa is likely [[BitchInSheepsClothing putting on an act for George by pretending to be a motherly person]] [[FeminineWomenCanCook and supposedly making tamales]] is part of the act. Her food both being not made by her and tasting rotten is representative of how fake and rotten she really is.
* Vic is nominally more successful than George, at least in financial terms, but he's shown to be far more emotionally naive than George. He spoiled his children rotten, his marriage with Emilina collapsed, and he nearly married a cheating GoldDigger, even tearing his prenuptial agreements, and he let himself be conned by Ray. George, for all his flaws, has [[ExcellentJudgeOfCharacter the uncanny ability to see through others]] and has far fewer personal failures than Vic.
* Emilina has only one appearance on the show (a ChristmasEpisode) and isn't shown visiting the Lopez family to the point where her death left no emotional impact on her grandson Max. But it is understandable why. In her first appearance, she is just as snobbish to George as Vic, but while [[TookALevelInKindness Vic did grow out of it once he moved to Los Angeles]], Emilina was never shown changing her opinion about George. Later she cheated on Vic, something that angered Angie so much that she called her mother an ungrateful tramp in their last phone conversation and George felt bad for Vic. Her paucity of appearances was because she left a poor impression on George and Angie
** While George means well, [[JerkassBall he can also have moments of being downright nasty to her even when she didn't deserve it]]. Angie herself can
** Her "best" boyfriend, Jason, was
* Carmen going to school in Vermont makes
* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but she
* Vic is nominally more successful than George, at least in financial terms, but he's shown to be far more emotionally naive than George. He spoiled his children rotten, his marriage with Emilina collapsed, and he nearly married a cheating GoldDigger, even tearing his prenuptial agreements, and he let himself be conned by Ray. George, for all his flaws, has [[ExcellentJudgeOfCharacter the uncanny ability to see through others]] and has far fewer personal failures than Vic.
* Emilina has only one appearance on the show (a ChristmasEpisode) and isn't shown visiting the Lopez family to the point where her death left no emotional impact on her grandson Max. But it is understandable why. In her first appearance, she is just as snobbish to George as Vic, but while [[TookALevelInKindness Vic did grow out of it once he moved to Los Angeles]], Emilina was never shown changing her opinion about George. Later she cheated on Vic, something that angered Angie so much that she called her mother an ungrateful tramp in their last phone conversation and George felt bad for Vic. Her paucity of appearances was because she left a poor impression on George and Angie
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* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but she also admits she bought them.]] Luisa is likely [[BitchInSheepsClothing putting on an act for George by pretending to be a motherly person]] [[FeminineWomanCanCook and supposedly making tamales]] is part of the act. Her food both being not made by her and tasting rotten is representative of how fake and rotten she really is.
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* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but she also admits she bought them.]] Luisa is likely [[BitchInSheepsClothing putting on an act for George by pretending to be a motherly person]] [[FeminineWomanCanCook [[FeminineWomenCanCook and supposedly making tamales]] is part of the act. Her food both being not made by her and tasting rotten is representative of how fake and rotten she really is.
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* Carmen going to school in Vermont makes a good deal of sense: Carmen has an interest in poetry and Vermont as a strong literary tradition.
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* Carmen going to school in Vermont makes a good deal of great sense: Carmen has an interest in poetry and Vermont as a strong literary tradition.
* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but she also admits she bought them.]] Luisa is likely [[BitchInSheepsClothing putting on an act for George by pretending to be a motherly person]] [[FeminineWomanCanCook and supposedly making tamales]] is part of the act. Her food both being not made by her and tasting rotten is representative of how fake and rotten she really is.
* Luisa's [[EvilMatriarch true nature]] is foreshadowed by the tamales she brings to the Lopez house. She claims she made them personally, but not only do they taste terrible, [[BlatantLies but she also admits she bought them.]] Luisa is likely [[BitchInSheepsClothing putting on an act for George by pretending to be a motherly person]] [[FeminineWomanCanCook and supposedly making tamales]] is part of the act. Her food both being not made by her and tasting rotten is representative of how fake and rotten she really is.
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** Carmen may have screwed up a lot, but she's had a pretty messed up life to say the least.
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** Mel initially [[ParentalNeglect brushed off George's demands that he rein stack in]], but after he ran off with one of his employee's daughters and stole thousands of dollars from him, Mel finally reached his limit with Zack. He either forced him back to therapy, forced him into a military school, or straight up disowned him and kicked him out of the house. It is telling that he didn't fire Benny for smacking his son with a wrench.
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** Mel initially [[ParentalNeglect brushed off George's demands that he rein stack Zack in]], but after he ran off with one of his employee's daughters and stole thousands of dollars from him, Mel finally reached his limit with Zack. He either forced him back to therapy, forced him into a military school, or straight up disowned him and kicked him out of the house. It is telling that he didn't fire Benny for smacking his son with a wrench.
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** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values.
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** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values. Heck, one of them contested her own mother's will, most likely for the millions she left her daughter, so it's safe to say they don't really care much for her well being either.
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* In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her teacher no less. Considering the failure of her parents' marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship.
* Vic trying to romance George's long lost sister and later another younger woman who cheats on him makes a ton of sense: he is deeply insecure after the failure of his marriage with Emilina, who ran off with a younger man. Wanting a younger woman and splurging on gifts shows how desperate he is.
* Vic trying to romance George's long lost sister and later another younger woman who cheats on him makes a ton of sense: he is deeply insecure after the failure of his marriage with Emilina, who ran off with a younger man. Wanting a younger woman and splurging on gifts shows how desperate he is.
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* Veronica may act so bratty that she manages to make Carmen look like a saint, [[FreudianExcuse but her life isn't all sunshine and lollipops]]:
** In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Herteacher ''teacher'' no less. She also romaces George's boss to manipulate him into making George's life miserable. Considering the failure of her parents' parent's marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship.
** Veronica's irresponsibility with money stems from her father being a crooked con artist who abandoned her and stole her quinceanera cash, this would've turned Veronica into a spendthrift person.
** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values.
* Vic trying to romance George'slong lost long-lost sister and later another younger woman who cheats on him makes a ton of sense: he is deeply insecure after the failure of his marriage with Emilina, who ran off with a younger man. Wanting a younger woman and splurging on gifts shows how desperate he is.
** In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her
** Veronica's irresponsibility with money stems from her father being a crooked con artist who abandoned her and stole her quinceanera cash, this would've turned Veronica into a spendthrift person.
** Her relatives are also apparently unpleasant snobs who wouldn't exactly impart her good values.
* Vic trying to romance George's
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** Benny's vengeful attack on him was so bad that Zack probably ended up in the hospital. After that, he was [[ScareEmStraight dissuaded from trying anything]] like that again.
** Zack not only ran away with his manager's daughter but stole money from him. Mel decided that this was the final straw and either sent Zack to counseling, sent him to military school, or straight up disowned him after all the shit he pulled.
** Zack not only ran away with his manager's daughter but stole money from him. Mel decided that this was the final straw and either sent Zack to counseling, sent him to military school, or straight up disowned him after all the shit he pulled.
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** Benny's vengeful attack on him was so bad that Zack probably ended up in the hospital. After that, he was [[ScareEmStraight dissuaded from trying anything]] to act like a manipulative punk again]].
** Mel initially [[ParentalNeglect brushed off George's demands thatagain.
** Zack not onlyhe rein stack in]], but after he ran away off with one of his manager's daughter but employee's daughters and stole money thousands of dollars from him. him, Mel decided that this was the final straw and finally reached his limit with Zack. He either sent Zack to counseling, sent forced him back to therapy, forced him into a military school, or straight up disowned him after all and kicked him out of the shit house. It is telling that he pulled. didn't fire Benny for smacking his son with a wrench.
** Mel initially [[ParentalNeglect brushed off George's demands that
** Zack not only
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** Gloria herself has a really poor love life, even being desperate enough to kiss her own brother-in-law. While Claudia might pity Gloria, she doesn't think the woman is stable enough to be a trustee.
** A lot of Claudia's other relatives seem to be awful snobs: one of them openly wishes Angie divorced George, and one of them condescendingly assumed George was too poor to fly to Miami. One of them sued Veronica for her trustee money and Veronica herself has a low opinion of them. Claudia would not want those relatives taking care of Veronica and would also like to get back at them by picking the guy they hate the most to be their trustee.
** A lot of Claudia's other relatives seem to be awful snobs: one of them openly wishes Angie divorced George, and one of them condescendingly assumed George was too poor to fly to Miami. One of them sued Veronica for her trustee money and Veronica herself has a low opinion of them. Claudia would not want those relatives taking care of Veronica and would also like to get back at them by picking the guy they hate the most to be their trustee.
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** Gloria herself has a really poor love life, even being desperate enough to kiss her own brother-in-law. While It would be understandable why Claudia might pity Gloria, she doesn't think the woman is stable enough to be Gloria would make a trustee.
good guardian for Veronica.
** A lot of Claudia's otherrelatives relatives, namely the ones from the Palmero family, seem to be awful snobs: one of them openly wishes Angie divorced George, and one of them condescendingly assumed George was too poor to fly to Miami. One of them sued Veronica for her trustee trustee's money and Veronica herself has a low opinion of them. Claudia would not want those relatives taking care of Veronica and would also like to get back at them by picking the guy they hate the most to be their trustee.
** A lot of Claudia's other
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** Vic and Emilina were the polar opposite of Benny: they spoiled their children to overcompensate for their poverty-stricken childhood in Cuba and often behaved in an arrogant manner toward others, especially George. Angie herself can be incredibly permissive to her two children, and other obnoxious people who openly disrespect her like Benny and Marisol. Like Vic, Angie can be arrogant and dismissive of George's (sometimes valid) concerns and has gone behind George's back many times. Emilina is also very spendthrift, considering in her sole appearance, she tried to buy Carmen a fur coat. Angie herself once wasted money on useless message, proving she isn't above wasting money.
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** Vic and Emilina were the polar opposite of Benny: they spoiled their children to overcompensate for their poverty-stricken childhood in Cuba and often behaved in an arrogant manner toward others, especially George. Angie herself can be incredibly permissive to her two children, children and other obnoxious people who openly disrespect her she shouldn't really associate with like Benny and Marisol. Like Vic, Angie can be arrogant and dismissive of George's (sometimes valid) concerns and has gone behind George's back many times. Emilina is also very spendthrift, considering in her sole appearance, she tried to buy Carmen a fur coat. Angie herself once wasted money on useless message, proving she isn't above wasting money.
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* In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her teacher no less. Considering the failure of her parents' marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship. This could also explain why Claudia doesn't want Vic to be Veronica's guardian: because Vic's failed marriage proved he isn't much of a role model.
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* In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her teacher no less. Considering the failure of her parents' marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship. This could also explain why Claudia doesn't want Vic to be Veronica's guardian: because Vic's failed marriage proved he isn't much of a role model.
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* In the pilot episode George makes jokes that Carmen's adopted. While this his way to tell her to be truthful, it has some RealitySubtext since Carmen's actress is the only main cast member who's not Hispanic. (She's Albanian)
* In the episode "George Helps Ernie See The Cellulight" Ernie becomes too fat to do his job, and George realizes his overeating is due to anxiety about dating after he got his own place. There are a couple events that could've triggered it. In the episode where he moves out, he's waving to a girl outside and George calls him a creepy guy upstairs. In the Christmas episode that same season, George and Angie become marriage counselors at church and Ernie asks for help with dating. George says it'd take a miracle to help him. Ernie's sensitive as it is, so George's comments were more than likely nails in the coffin.
** Ernie does start gaining weight after he gets his own place, but it's established as a FreudianExcuse so women will reject him before he makes the first move. His mother is a BigEater, who is seen eating an entire box of sugary cereal in one sitting before passing out. Now that he has his own place, he doesn't have to compete with his mother over food anymore. He can now eat all he wants.
*** He also helped her into and out of the bath tub, which was a two man operation. He probably burned plenty of calories doing that.
* In the episode "George Helps Ernie See The Cellulight" Ernie becomes too fat to do his job, and George realizes his overeating is due to anxiety about dating after he got his own place. There are a couple events that could've triggered it. In the episode where he moves out, he's waving to a girl outside and George calls him a creepy guy upstairs. In the Christmas episode that same season, George and Angie become marriage counselors at church and Ernie asks for help with dating. George says it'd take a miracle to help him. Ernie's sensitive as it is, so George's comments were more than likely nails in the coffin.
** Ernie does start gaining weight after he gets his own place, but it's established as a FreudianExcuse so women will reject him before he makes the first move. His mother is a BigEater, who is seen eating an entire box of sugary cereal in one sitting before passing out. Now that he has his own place, he doesn't have to compete with his mother over food anymore. He can now eat all he wants.
*** He also helped her into and out of the bath tub, which was a two man operation. He probably burned plenty of calories doing that.
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* In the pilot episode George makes jokes that Carmen's adopted. While this is his way to tell her to be truthful, it has some RealitySubtext since Carmen's actress is the only main cast member who's not Hispanic. (She's Albanian)
* In the episode "George Helps Ernie See The Cellulight" Ernie becomes too fat to do his job, and George realizes his overeating is due to anxiety about dating after he got his own place. There are acouple events several variables that could've triggered it. it:
** In the episode where he moves out, he's waving to a girl outside and George calls him a creepy guyupstairs. upstairs.
** In the Christmas episode that same season, George and Angie become marriage counselors at church and Ernie asks for help with dating. George says it'd take a miracle to help him. Ernie's sensitive as it is, so George's comments were more than likely nails in the coffin.
**Ernie does start gaining weight after he gets his own place, but it's established as a FreudianExcuse so women will reject him before he makes the first move. His mother is a BigEater, who is seen eating an entire box of sugary cereal in one sitting before passing out. Now that he has his own place, he doesn't have to compete with his mother over food anymore. He can now eat all he wants.
***wants. He also helped her into and out of the bath tub, which was a two man operation. He probably burned plenty of calories doing that.that.
** Also, Ernie's parents mocked him for wanting to move out, so this probably also didn't help with his image issues.
* In the episode "George Helps Ernie See The Cellulight" Ernie becomes too fat to do his job, and George realizes his overeating is due to anxiety about dating after he got his own place. There are a
** In the episode where he moves out, he's waving to a girl outside and George calls him a creepy guy
** In the Christmas episode that same season, George and Angie become marriage counselors at church and Ernie asks for help with dating. George says it'd take a miracle to help him. Ernie's sensitive as it is, so George's comments were more than likely nails in the coffin.
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** Also, Ernie's parents mocked him for wanting to move out, so this probably also didn't help with his image issues.
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* Carmen may have screwed up a lot, but she's had a pretty messed up life to say the least.
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* Carmen has a habit of making questionable decisions that drive both George and Angie up a wall. [[TraumaCongaLine But look at the things she's been through]]:
** She stood up to an AlphaBitch to protect one of her friends, and not only did this girl have it in her for her, but her real friend moved away, leaving her without a support network.
** At her old school, she dated two guys who only wanted her for her looks. One guy got back at her for breaking up with her by making up a rumor that she was a slut. Even when he recanted this rumor, she was still so badly bullied that she had to be pulled out of school.
** Zack Powers also used and manipulated her for the purpose of sleeping with her.
** While George means well, [[JerkassBall he can also have moments of being downright nasty to her even when she didn't deserve it]]. Angie herself can coddle her a lot.
** Her "best" boyfriend, Jason, was very imperfect and strung her along.
* Carmen may have screwed up a lot, but she's had a pretty messed up life to say the least.
** She stood up to an AlphaBitch to protect one of her friends, and not only did this girl have it in her for her, but her real friend moved away, leaving her without a support network.
** At her old school, she dated two guys who only wanted her for her looks. One guy got back at her for breaking up with her by making up a rumor that she was a slut. Even when he recanted this rumor, she was still so badly bullied that she had to be pulled out of school.
** Zack Powers also used and manipulated her for the purpose of sleeping with her.
** While George means well, [[JerkassBall he can also have moments of being downright nasty to her even when she didn't deserve it]]. Angie herself can coddle her a lot.
** Her "best" boyfriend, Jason, was very imperfect and strung her along.
* Carmen may have screwed up a lot, but she's had a pretty messed up life to say the least.
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* We don't see Zack Powers again in his last appearance. There are a couple of reasons why:
** Benny's vengeful attack on him was so bad that Zack probably ended up in the hospital. After that, he was [[ScareEmStraight dissuaded from trying anything]] like that again.
** Zack not only ran away with his manager's daughter but stole money from him. Mel decided that this was the final straw and either sent Zack to counseling, sent him to military school, or straight up disowned him after all the shit he pulled.
** Benny's vengeful attack on him was so bad that Zack probably ended up in the hospital. After that, he was [[ScareEmStraight dissuaded from trying anything]] like that again.
** Zack not only ran away with his manager's daughter but stole money from him. Mel decided that this was the final straw and either sent Zack to counseling, sent him to military school, or straight up disowned him after all the shit he pulled.
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* In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her teacher no less. Considering the failure of her parents' marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship. This could also explain why Claudia doesn't want Vic to be Veronica's guardian: because his own failed marriage proved his isn't much of a role model.
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* In one episode, Veronica knowingly cheats with a married man. Her teacher no less. Considering the failure of her parents' marriage, it makes sense why Veronica doesn't have much respect for the sanctity of marriage, let alone seems able to hold down ''any'' kind of healthy relationship. This could also explain why Claudia doesn't want Vic to be Veronica's guardian: because his own Vic's failed marriage proved his he isn't much of a role model.
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** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time. It is implied that Mel also was a lousy husband to Zack's mom, which would explain, in part, Zack's general lack of respect for women.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, does at one point call Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." If Zack's mom was as bad to Zack as Benny was to George, this abuse by his mom could've warped Zack into a misogynist who has no respect for women as a whole.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, does at one point call Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." If Zack's mom was as bad to Zack as Benny was to George, this abuse by his mom could've warped Zack into a misogynist who has no respect for women as a whole.
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** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time.time]]. It is implied that Mel also was a lousy husband to Zack's mom, which would explain, in part, Zack's general lack of respect for women.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified,does George at one point call Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." If Zack's mom was as bad to Zack as Benny was to George, this abuse by his mom could've warped Zack into amisogynist who has no respect for women as a whole.misogynist.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified,
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." If Zack's mom was as bad to Zack as Benny was to George, this abuse by his mom could've warped Zack into a
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* Benny scaring [[ScareEmStraight a young George with stories about the Zodiac Killer]] makes a ton of sense: they both lived in a rough neighborhood with dangerous criminals. In this instance, Benny's rough parenting is somewhat justified.
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* Benny scaring [[ScareEmStraight a young George with stories about the Zodiac Killer]] makes a ton of sense: they both lived in a rough neighborhood with dangerous criminals. criminals and while Benny was rough, she didn't want to wake up finding out her son nearly died. In this instance, Benny's rough parenting is somewhat justified.
justified, since she wanted George to be street smart and wary of anyone who could hurt him.
* While Benny's really awful parents explain her own less-than-stellar parenting, it could also explain her promiscuity and her failed marriage with Manny: her father was apparently a wife basher who hit Luisa. Seeing her father behave this way negatively impacted her relationship with Manny, and why she spent most of her life sleeping around with other men rather than staying in any committed relationship.
* While Benny's really awful parents explain her own less-than-stellar parenting, it could also explain her promiscuity and her failed marriage with Manny: her father was apparently a wife basher who hit Luisa. Seeing her father behave this way negatively impacted her relationship with Manny, and why she spent most of her life sleeping around with other men rather than staying in any committed relationship.
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** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his incredibly dysfunctional childhood would mess anybody up. While George might have a reason to despise Zack, his refusal to treat him as anything but a nuisance probably isn't helping matters at all.
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** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his incredibly dysfunctional childhood would mess anybody up. While George might have a reason to despise Zack, his refusal to treat him as anything but a nuisance probably isn't helping matters at all.all.
* While it doesn't excuse her one bit, George (jokingly) claims that [[DomesticAbuse Benny's mom had a husband who also beat her]]. Luisa herself insists her husband was a "good man", so it is possible she genuinely believes her awful behavior is normal parenting, insisting to George that she was too soft on Benny. The other possibility is simply Luisa taking her frustrations out on her daughter. Or possibly both.
* While it doesn't excuse her one bit, George (jokingly) claims that [[DomesticAbuse Benny's mom had a husband who also beat her]]. Luisa herself insists her husband was a "good man", so it is possible she genuinely believes her awful behavior is normal parenting, insisting to George that she was too soft on Benny. The other possibility is simply Luisa taking her frustrations out on her daughter. Or possibly both.
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** Vic was the polar opposite of Benny: he spoiled his children to overcompensate for his poverty-stricken childhood in Cuba and often behaved in an arrogant manner toward others, especially George. Angie herself can be incredibly permissive to her two children, and other obnoxious people like Benny and Marisol. Like Vic, Angie can be dismissive of George's (sometimes valid) concerns and has gone behind George's back many times. It is implied her mom is a spendthrift, considering in her sole appearance, she tried to buy Carmen a fur coat. Angie herself once wasted George's money on useless message
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** Vic was and Emilina were the polar opposite of Benny: he they spoiled his their children to overcompensate for his their poverty-stricken childhood in Cuba and often behaved in an arrogant manner toward others, especially George. Angie herself can be incredibly permissive to her two children, and other obnoxious people who openly disrespect her like Benny and Marisol. Like Vic, Angie can be arrogant and dismissive of George's (sometimes valid) concerns and has gone behind George's back many times. It Emilina is implied her mom is a also very spendthrift, considering in her sole appearance, she tried to buy Carmen a fur coat. Angie herself once wasted George's money on useless messagemessage, proving she isn't above wasting money.
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* Vic trying to romance George's long lost sister and later another younger woman who cheats on him makes a ton of sense: he is deeply insecure after the failure of his marriage with Emilina, who ran off with a younger man. Wanting a younger woman and splurging on gifts shows how desperate he is.
* Benny scaring [[ScareEmStraight a young George with stories about the Zodiac Killer]] makes a ton of sense: they both lived in a rough neighborhood with dangerous criminals. In this instance, Benny's rough parenting is somewhat justified.
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* While defending Zack Powers, Carmen at one point blames Zack's problems on Mel's shabby parenting. While none of this excuses his behavior, she might have a couple of points:
** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." It is implied that Mel is a lousy partner, so Zack wouldn't have learned how to treat women right. Also Zack's mom possibly took her anger at Mel out on Zack. Zack, after being mistreated by his mom, and imitating his not-very-respectful-father, became a misogynist with no respect for women (except when he wants sex).
*** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his childhood would mess anybody up.
** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." It is implied that Mel is a lousy partner, so Zack wouldn't have learned how to treat women right. Also Zack's mom possibly took her anger at Mel out on Zack. Zack, after being mistreated by his mom, and imitating his not-very-respectful-father, became a misogynist with no respect for women (except when he wants sex).
*** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his childhood would mess anybody up.
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* While defending Zack Powers, Carmen at one point blames Zack's problems on Mel's shabby parenting. his family life. While none of this excuses his behavior, she might have a couple of points:
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** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time. It is implied that Mel also was a lousy husband to Zack's mom, which would explain, in part, Zack's general lack of respect for women.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, does at one point call Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk."It is implied that Mel is a lousy partner, so Zack wouldn't have learned how to treat women right. Also If Zack's mom possibly took her anger at Mel out on Zack. Zack, after being mistreated was as bad to Zack as Benny was to George, this abuse by his mom, and imitating his not-very-respectful-father, became mom could've warped Zack into a misogynist with who has no respect for women (except when he wants sex).
***as a whole.
** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his incredibly dysfunctional childhood would mess anybodyup.up. While George might have a reason to despise Zack, his refusal to treat him as anything but a nuisance probably isn't helping matters at all.
** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time. It is implied that Mel also was a lousy husband to Zack's mom, which would explain, in part, Zack's general lack of respect for women.
** Mel, as a whole, seems to have given up on trying to raise Zack. While he might be kind of justified, does at one point call Mel out for being a lousy father. In this environment, Zack would have no real reason to change his ways.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk."
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** Zack is a rotten person who does deserve to get hit with a wrench by Benny, but his incredibly dysfunctional childhood would mess anybody
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** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfALoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." It is implied that Mel is a lousy partner, and so Zack's mom took her anger at Mel out on Zack. Zack, after being mistreated by his mom, became a misogynist with no respect for women (except when he wants sex).
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." It is implied that Mel is a lousy partner, and so Zack's mom took her anger at Mel out on Zack. Zack, after being mistreated by his mom, became a misogynist with no respect for women (except when he wants sex).
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** On top of being kind of corrupt, Mel has no problem with wanting to flirt and sleep around with Veronica, a young intern. This alone is an incredible ''ethical'' violation, even if Veronica did consent to the sex. What's worse is that he apparently has "magic pills" to get himself in the mood. They could just be Viagra or some aphrodisiac, but what if turned out to be some kind of '''roofie'''? This could explain why Zack has no problem with getting Carmen drunk: [[LoserSonOfALoserDad [[LoserSonOfLoserDad because he's seen his father do that all the time.
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." It is implied that Mel is a lousy partner,and so Zack wouldn't have learned how to treat women right. Also Zack's mom possibly took her anger at Mel out on Zack. Zack, after being mistreated by his mom, and imitating his not-very-respectful-father, became a misogynist with no respect for women (except when he wants sex).
** Carmen describes Zack's mom as a "bitter old drunk." It is implied that Mel is a lousy partner,
