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* The ending [[EsotericHappyEnding frames it as something beautiful]], but think about it: it's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this very scenario of departing with a hastily-prepared ship is what NASA in ''Literature/TheMartian'' was trying to '''AVOID'''.

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* The ending [[EsotericHappyEnding frames it as something beautiful]], but think about it: it's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?* to?
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People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this very scenario of departing with a hastily-prepared ship is what NASA in ''Literature/TheMartian'' was trying to '''AVOID'''.
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* The ending [[EsotericHappyEnding frames it as something beautiful]], but think about it: it's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?

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* The ending [[EsotericHappyEnding frames it as something beautiful]], but think about it: it's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?to?* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this very scenario of departing with a hastily-prepared ship is what NASA in ''Literature/TheMartian'' was trying to '''AVOID'''.
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* So the strangely semi-sentient whirlstorm at the beginning, which reveals the aliens' hidden base, is an old welcoming program? Why the hell did the aliens create a welcoming program that rips people apart or violently launches rocks at them?
** It was revealed to be not a welcoming program, but [[spoiler: a security check: it asked them for a password, which the humans didn't realize it was doing, and they gave the wrong answer. So it moved to safeguard the message, as it had been designed to do.]]
** So, given that the Native Martians knew that there was life developing on their neighbouring planet... ''who else did they expect would show up?'' That they're revealed to be benevolent doesn't explain why they would design a message of peace only to sic the dog on the poor dopes that stumbled across it. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that the watchdog [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture misinterpreted the scanning as a hostile action]].
** Continuing that line of thought, it also conversely may have acted as a SecretTestOfCharacter to see whether humanity was a species curious enough what happened and brave enough to attempt to mount a rescue of any potential survivors. It's a bit [[BlueAndOrangeMorality morally reprehensible]] if so, but it could just be their alien way of thinking.
* If they [the aliens] originally seeded all life on Earth, why didn't they simply colonise Earth instead of heading to another galaxy? Of course, one could argue that living in sight of their destroyed home could have been too painful.
** That decision may have had more to do with practicality than anything else. Say they go to live on another planet, but it turns out to be doomed in some fashion as well. Sending that DNA to earth would be like doubling their chances, so to speak.
** Two reasons present themselves: 1. Earth before the rise of lots of complex life was a very different place, with no real ecosystem to speak of, so it's entirely possible that the young Earth was uninhabitable, and/or; 2. The realization was made that the Earth, too, would be subjected to significant impact events (which it later was), so rather than building what amounted to a doomed colony, they decided to strike out for greener pastures elsewhere.
* Assuming both Mars missions used ships of the same class, does this mean that the return voyage to Earth was always meant to be in zero-g?
** As we never saw a successful orbital insertion and/or landing sequence, it's possible that the engine section of the first expedition was still in orbit and awaiting recovery of the landing module. That way, the landing module would only require fuel for insertion and return to Mars orbit, rather than that AND transition to Earth.
* How did the hologram know what the humans and mammoths looked like? How did it know what Earth looks like now with industry covering it? If it was watching the whole time, why did it need a security system?
* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this very scenario of departing with a hastily-prepared ship is what NASA in ''Literature/TheMartian'' was trying to '''AVOID'''.
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* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this very scenario of departing with a hastily-prepared ship is what NASA in Literature/TheMartian was trying to '''AVOID'''.

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* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this very scenario of departing with a hastily-prepared ship is what NASA in Literature/TheMartian ''Literature/TheMartian'' was trying to '''AVOID'''.
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* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this is what Literature/TheMartian was trying to '''AVOID'''.

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* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this very scenario of departing with a hastily-prepared ship is what NASA in Literature/TheMartian was trying to '''AVOID'''.
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* People have griped that ''Mars Recovery'' had inadequate shielding on its vital components, and that, if a micrometeor shower really had struck the vessel, there should have been multiple layers of protection and redundancy to prevent the explosion that occurred. However, it is pointed out in the movie that ''Mars Recovery'' is launching early in a roll of the dice attempt to rescue the survivors of ''Mars One'', if any. One could reason that the vessel was still in its final stages of fitting and testing before setting out, and they figured what they had outfitted the craft so far would hopefully suffice. This also helps explain the other flaws, such as the computer needing oxygen to work. In other words, this is what Literature/TheMartian was trying to '''AVOID'''.
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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it even attacks you by ''ASSUMING'' you're trying to enter, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the World Engine to obliterate the whole structure?

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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot LethallyStupid from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it even attacks you by ''ASSUMING'' you're trying to enter, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the World Engine to obliterate the whole structure?
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* The ending frames it as something beautiful, but think about it: it's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?

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* The ending [[EsotericHappyEnding frames it as something beautiful, beautiful]], but think about it: it's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?
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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it attacks you even if it ''ASSUMES'' you sent the wrong answer, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the World Engine to obliterate the whole structure?

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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it even attacks you even if it ''ASSUMES'' you sent the wrong answer, by ''ASSUMING'' you're trying to enter, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the World Engine to obliterate the whole structure?
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* Contrary to what many think (and even Terry herself thought in the scene), even if the tether was long enough to reach Woody, she still had barely enough fuel to get back to REMO herself, not to mention that if he caught the tether, much of his inertia would've been transferred to her (he's heavier), meaning that she would've needed enough fuel to brake their combined mass and then accelerate it back in the other direction. Odds on, they both would've done a cannonball onto Mars.

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* Contrary to what many think (and even Terry Terri herself thought in the scene), even if the tether was long enough to reach Woody, she still had barely enough fuel to get back to REMO herself, not to mention that if he caught the tether, much of his inertia would've been transferred to her (he's heavier), meaning that she would've needed enough fuel to brake their combined mass and then accelerate it back in the other direction. Odds on, they both would've done a cannonball onto Mars.
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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it attacks you even if it ''ASSUMES'' you sent the wrong answer, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the terraforming tech to obliterate the whole structure?

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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it attacks you even if it ''ASSUMES'' you sent the wrong answer, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the terraforming tech World Engine to obliterate the whole structure?
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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it attacks you even if it ''ASSUMES'' you sent the wrong answer, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, the General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the terraforming tech to obliterate the whole structure?

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* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it attacks you even if it ''ASSUMES'' you sent the wrong answer, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, the General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the terraforming tech to obliterate the whole structure?

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* It's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?
* Many people who have posted discussions, reviews, and just plain complaints about the movie say something to the effect of "if the tether had been another 10 feet longer, Woody would've lived!" No, they both would've died. Terry had barely enough fuel to get back to REMO herself. Had Woody caught the tether, much of his inertia would've been transferred to her (he's heavier), meaning that she would've needed enough fuel to brake their combined mass and then accelerate it back in the other direction. Odds on, they both would've done a cannonball onto Mars.

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* It's been millions of years. Is there Contrary to what many think (and even a culture left at Terry herself thought in the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?
* Many people who have posted discussions, reviews, and just plain complaints about the movie say something to the effect of "if
scene), even if the tether had been another 10 feet longer, Woody would've lived!" No, they both would've died. Terry was long enough to reach Woody, she still had barely enough fuel to get back to REMO herself. Had Woody herself, not to mention that if he caught the tether, much of his inertia would've been transferred to her (he's heavier), meaning that she would've needed enough fuel to brake their combined mass and then accelerate it back in the other direction. Odds on, they both would've done a cannonball onto Mars.Mars.
* Potentially doubles as WhatAnIdiot from the Martians, who are [[DesignatedHero questionably]] "benevolent" precursors that have built a security system that brutally kills you with a sentient-looking sand tornado if you send the wrong answer (and it attacks you even if it ''ASSUMES'' you sent the wrong answer, like the radar signal Luke's team sent to scan the mountain). Could you imagine if another highly advanced alien race, say, the General Zod's kryptonian scouts from ''Film/ManOfSteel'' came along, got attacked by the tornado, and then Zod got mad and decided to retaliate by using the terraforming tech to obliterate the whole structure?
* The ending frames it as something beautiful, but think about it: it's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?
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* Many people who have posted discussions, reviews, and just plain complaints about the movie say something to the effect of "if the tether had been another 10 feet longer, Woody would've lived! No, they both would've died. Terry had barely enough fuel to get back to REMO herself. Had Woody caught the tether, much of his inertia would've been transferred to her (he's heavier), meaning that she would've needed enough fuel to brake their combined mass and then accelerate it back in the other direction. Odds on, they both would've done a cannonball onto Mars.

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* Many people who have posted discussions, reviews, and just plain complaints about the movie say something to the effect of "if the tether had been another 10 feet longer, Woody would've lived! lived!" No, they both would've died. Terry had barely enough fuel to get back to REMO herself. Had Woody caught the tether, much of his inertia would've been transferred to her (he's heavier), meaning that she would've needed enough fuel to brake their combined mass and then accelerate it back in the other direction. Odds on, they both would've done a cannonball onto Mars.
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* It's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?

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* It's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?to?
* Many people who have posted discussions, reviews, and just plain complaints about the movie say something to the effect of "if the tether had been another 10 feet longer, Woody would've lived! No, they both would've died. Terry had barely enough fuel to get back to REMO herself. Had Woody caught the tether, much of his inertia would've been transferred to her (he's heavier), meaning that she would've needed enough fuel to brake their combined mass and then accelerate it back in the other direction. Odds on, they both would've done a cannonball onto Mars.

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** If they originally seeded all life on Earth, why didn't they simply colonise Earth instead of heading to another galaxy? Of course, one could argue that living in sight of their destroyed home could have been too painful.

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** * If they [the aliens] originally seeded all life on Earth, why didn't they simply colonise Earth instead of heading to another galaxy? Of course, one could argue that living in sight of their destroyed home could have been too painful.


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** Two reasons present themselves: 1. Earth before the rise of lots of complex life was a very different place, with no real ecosystem to speak of, so it's entirely possible that the young Earth was uninhabitable, and/or; 2. The realization was made that the Earth, too, would be subjected to significant impact events (which it later was), so rather than building what amounted to a doomed colony, they decided to strike out for greener pastures elsewhere.
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** As we never saw a successful orbital insertion and/or landing sequence, it's possible that the engine section of the first expedition was still in orbit and awaiting recovery of the landing module. That way, the landing module would only require fuel for insertion and return to Mars orbit, rather than that AND transition to Earth.

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* FridgeHorror: It's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?

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* FridgeHorror: It's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?
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* So the strangely semi-sentient whirlstorm at the beginning, which reveals the aliens' hidden base, is a old welcoming program? Why the hell did the aliens create a welcoming program that rips people apart or violently launches rocks at them?

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* So the strangely semi-sentient whirlstorm at the beginning, which reveals the aliens' hidden base, is a an old welcoming program? Why the hell did the aliens create a welcoming program that rips people apart or violently launches rocks at them?
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* How did the hologram know what the humans and mammoths looked like? How did it know what Earth looks like now with industry covering it? If it was watching the whole time, why did it need a security system?
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* FirdgeHorror: It's been millions of years. Is there even a culture left at the place this spaceship is taking Jim to?

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** Continuing that line of thought, it also conversely may have acted as a SecretTestOfCharacter to see whether humanity was a species curious enough what happened and brave enough to attempt to mount a rescue of any potential survivors. It's a bit morally reprehensible if so, but it could just be their alien way of thinking.
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** Continuing that line of thought, it also conversely may have acted as a SecretTestOfCharacter to see whether humanity was a species curious enough what happened and brave enough to attempt to mount a rescue of any potential survivors. It's a bit [[BlueAndOrangeMorality morally reprehensible reprehensible]] if so, but it could just be their alien way of thinking.
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** That decision may have had more to do with practicality than anything else. Say they go to live on another planet, but it turns out to be doomed in some fashoin as well. Sending that DNA to earth would be like doubling their chances, so to speak.

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** That decision may have had more to do with practicality than anything else. Say they go to live on another planet, but it turns out to be doomed in some fashoin fashion as well. Sending that DNA to earth would be like doubling their chances, so to speak.
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** That decision may have had more to do with practicality than anything else. Say they go to live on another planet, but it turns out to be doomed in some fashoin as well. Sending that DNA to earth would be like doubling their chances, so to speak.
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* Assuming both Mars missions used ships of the same class, does this mean that the return voyage to Earth was always meant to be in zero-g?
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** So, given that the Native Martians knew that there was life developing on their neighbouring planet... ''who else did they expect would show up?'' That they're revealed to be benevolent doesn't explain why they would design a message of peace only to sic the dog on the poor dopes that stumbled across it. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that the watchdog [[StarTrekTheMotionPicture misinterpreted the scanning as a hostile action]].

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** So, given that the Native Martians knew that there was life developing on their neighbouring planet... ''who else did they expect would show up?'' That they're revealed to be benevolent doesn't explain why they would design a message of peace only to sic the dog on the poor dopes that stumbled across it. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that the watchdog [[StarTrekTheMotionPicture [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture misinterpreted the scanning as a hostile action]].

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