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* Metajoke: two of the actors in this movie previously played asylum inmates in ''Film/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', and both play villains: Danny De Vito and Vincent Schiavelli. Batman has the most well-known insane rogues' gallery in comics.
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* Metajoke: two of the actors in this movie previously played asylum inmates in ''Film/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', and both play villains: Danny De Vito Creator/DannyDeVito and Vincent Schiavelli.Creator/VincentSchiavelli. Batman has the most well-known insane rogues' gallery in comics.
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* If the events of ''Film/TheFlash2023'' are considered future canon for this movie, then this Earth is eventually doomed to be terraformed into a new Krypton, making the plot of this and ''Film/Batman1989'' events AllForNothing.
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* If the events of ''Film/TheFlash2023'' are considered future canon for this movie, then this Earth is eventually doomed to be terraformed into a new Krypton, making the plot of this and ''Film/Batman1989'' events AllForNothing.AllForNothing.
** On the other hand, Bruce's explanation about how time travel worked when talking with the two Barrys suggests that his Earth merged with Barry's when Barry ran back to change history, so it's also possible that the ''original'' version of this Earth remains intact and safe after Barry prevented his original changes to history.
** On the other hand, Bruce's explanation about how time travel worked when talking with the two Barrys suggests that his Earth merged with Barry's when Barry ran back to change history, so it's also possible that the ''original'' version of this Earth remains intact and safe after Barry prevented his original changes to history.
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*** Granted, this Horror would be mitigated due to the AssholeVictim factor. You can't say they didn't have it coming after how they treated him in the opening, after all.
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* If the events of ''Film/TheFlash2023'' are considered future canon for this movie, then this Earth is eventually doomed to be terraformed into a new Krypton, making the plot of this and ''Film/Batman1989'' events AllForNothing.
* If the events of ''Film/TheFlash2023'' are considered future canon for this movie, then this Earth is eventually doomed to be terraformed into a new Krypton, making the plot of this and ''Film/Batman1989'' events AllForNothing.
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* While this DarkerAndEdgier take on The Penguin can be off-putting to purists, on its own merits it's actually a pretty clever characterization that suits the animal he represents even ''more'' than his comic book counterpart. The Penguin sees himself as a classy nobleman and tries to look the part with his fancy clothing, but it doesn't make up for his bloated, awkward and gross appearance and violent manners (such as the nose-biting), similar to how real-life penguins are often perceived, on a surface level, as cute and fancy-looking birds that look as if they're wearing tuxedos, when they're goofy, waddling creatures that are actually capable of being pretty dang BRUTAL in the wild (look up Dr. George Murray Levick's studies on Adélie penguins if you ''dare'').
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* Why aren't Bruce and Selina wearing masks at Max Shreck's party? Because they're already in disguise -- as regular people.
** It gets better. All four main characters -- Bruce, Selina, Oswald and Max -- appear at the party, but Max, the "respected monster", is the only one wearing a mask. Heavy symbolism there -- Shreck is the only one hiding his true nature, his greed and cruelty, under a mask of superficial philanthropy.
* Each of the villains is a dark reflection of some aspect of Batman: Catwoman, the black-clad masked vigilante; the Penguin, the old money orphan; and Max Schreck, the prominent businessman.
** It gets better. All four main characters -- Bruce, Selina, Oswald and Max -- appear at the party, but Max, the "respected monster", is the only one wearing a mask. Heavy symbolism there -- Shreck is the only one hiding his true nature, his greed and cruelty, under a mask of superficial philanthropy.
* Each of the villains is a dark reflection of some aspect of Batman: Catwoman, the black-clad masked vigilante; the Penguin, the old money orphan; and Max Schreck, the prominent businessman.
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* The Penguin's life begins being thrown into the river and during his return to the society that cast him out, he plotted to kill the first born. Aside from the fact that he was thrown into the river in an attempt to ''kill'' him and that he failed his child murdering, the Penguin is essentially a reverse Moses.
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*** Of course, the Horror there would be mitigated somewhat due to the AssholeVictim factor (you can't say they didn't have it coming after how they treated him in the prologue, after all).
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*** Of course, the Granted, this Horror there would be mitigated somewhat due to the AssholeVictim factor (you factor. You can't say they didn't have it coming after how they treated him in the prologue, opening, after all).all.
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* In the comics, the Penguin carried an umbrella because his mother forced him to, after his father died of pneumonia (because he didn't have an umbrella). In the movie, he still has umbrellas, but why if he never knew his parents? Simple: he lives in the sewers. Dripping water, leaky pipes, storm drains... it's to stop water falling on his head. It's not a style thing, it's practicality
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* In the comics, the Penguin carried an umbrella because his mother forced him to, after his father died of pneumonia (because he didn't have an umbrella). In the movie, he still has umbrellas, but why if he never knew his parents? Simple: he lives in the sewers. Dripping water, leaky pipes, storm drains... it's to stop water falling on his head. It's not a style thing, it's practicalitypracticality.
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* This one is fairly obvious, but still deserves a mention. Toward the end of the film, Shreck begins shooting Catwoman after she taunts him to "finish her off", having already been killed three times (by him, the Penguin and Batman, respectively). He empties the gun on her, ending Lives #4, 5, 6 and 7, but not actually killing her. She gives him a KissOfDeath with a taser and an electric generator, frying them both. That's eight lives. At the end of the movie, we see that Catwoman is still alive. She still has one life left.
** What part is supposed to be Brilliance? She outright said that right before she zaps him "Two lives left, I think I'll save one for next Christmas."
** I think because it could reasonably be assumed by the audience that she died along with Shrek (and in the official comic book adaptation you see Selina's charred body along with his). But the end of the movie proves that assumption false, and it adds up perfectly to the "nine lives" scenario.
** Also note that the Penguin makes a big deal about the dramatic irony of killing Shreck in his own toxic waste, but the way that he actually dies is to be electrocuted, a subtle callback to the reason that Selina was killed -- she discovered that his plant was designed to suck electricity out of Gotham.
** What part is supposed to be Brilliance? She outright said that right before she zaps him "Two lives left, I think I'll save one for next Christmas."
** I think because it could reasonably be assumed by the audience that she died along with Shrek (and in the official comic book adaptation you see Selina's charred body along with his). But the end of the movie proves that assumption false, and it adds up perfectly to the "nine lives" scenario.
** Also note that the Penguin makes a big deal about the dramatic irony of killing Shreck in his own toxic waste, but the way that he actually dies is to be electrocuted, a subtle callback to the reason that Selina was killed -- she discovered that his plant was designed to suck electricity out of Gotham.
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* This one is fairly obvious, but still deserves a mention. Toward the end of the film, Shreck begins shooting Catwoman after she taunts him to "finish her off", having already been killed three times (by him, the Penguin and Batman, respectively). He empties the gun on her, ending Lives #4, 5, 6 and 7, but not actually killing her. She gives him a KissOfDeath with a taser and an electric generator, frying them both. That's eight lives. At the end of the movie, we see that Catwoman is still alive. She still has one life left.
** What part is supposed to be Brilliance? She outright said that right before she zaps him "Two lives left, I think I'll save one for next Christmas."
** I think because it could reasonably be assumed by the audience that she died along with Shrek (and in the official comic book adaptation you see Selina's charred body along with his). But the end of the movie proves that assumption false, and it adds up perfectly to the "nine lives" scenario.
** Also note that theThe Penguin makes a big deal about the dramatic irony of killing Shreck in his own toxic waste, but the way that he actually dies is to be electrocuted, a subtle callback to the reason that Selina was killed -- she discovered that his plant was designed to suck electricity out of Gotham.
** What part is supposed to be Brilliance? She outright said that right before she zaps him "Two lives left, I think I'll save one for next Christmas."
** I think because it could reasonably be assumed by the audience that she died along with Shrek (and in the official comic book adaptation you see Selina's charred body along with his). But the end of the movie proves that assumption false, and it adds up perfectly to the "nine lives" scenario.
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** Also note that the Penguin makes a big deal about the dramatic irony of killing Shreck in his own toxic waste, but the way that he actually dies is to be electrocuted, a subtle callback to the reason that [[spoiler: Selina was killed -- she discovered that his plant was designed to suck electricity out of Gotham.]]
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** That's an in-manor system he has in place to alert him of the real BatSignal.
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* The change of the Batsuit from the organic look of ''{{Film/Batman}}'' to the armoured look of ''Batman Returns''? Mere stylistic choice? Not so fast! In the first movie Batman is feared as being a giant bat, a literal supernatural monster. It's only when crooks get a good look at him and realize it's body armour do they realize that he's human. What helps with the illusion? The sculpted muscles on the suit. They hide nothing, the armour aspect completely in favour of getting that extra fear value. But at the end of the movie Batman is publicly declared a hero and the illusion is lost. So what does he do? He scraps the "giant bat" look and dons a more mechanical and armoured looking suit, and it can be assumed with the larger plates that it offers a lot more protection.
** Doubled in evidence by the ending of the previous movie: Batman gets the shit kicked out of him by the Joker's goons, escapes them pretty much by luck, and is barely able to kill the Joker before falling to his near death. In the finale, he chanced death WAY too many times, it makes sense that his next outfit would be bulkier, tougher, able to take more damage, etc...
** Doubled in evidence by the ending of the previous movie: Batman gets the shit kicked out of him by the Joker's goons, escapes them pretty much by luck, and is barely able to kill the Joker before falling to his near death. In the finale, he chanced death WAY too many times, it makes sense that his next outfit would be bulkier, tougher, able to take more damage, etc...
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* The change of the Batsuit from the organic look of ''{{Film/Batman}}'' ''Film/Batman1989'' to the armoured look of ''Batman Returns''? Mere stylistic choice? Not so fast! In the first movie Batman is feared as being a giant bat, a literal supernatural monster. It's only when crooks get a good look at him and realize it's body armour do they realize that he's human. What helps with the illusion? The sculpted muscles on the suit. They hide nothing, the armour aspect completely in favour of getting that extra fear value. But at the end of the movie Batman is publicly declared a hero and the illusion is lost. So what does he do? He scraps the "giant bat" look and dons a more mechanical and armoured looking suit, and it can be assumed with the larger plates that it offers a lot more protection.
** Doubled in evidence by the ending of the previous movie: Batman gets the shit kicked out of him by the Joker's goons, escapes thempretty much by luck, and is barely able to kill the Joker before falling to his near death. In the finale, he chanced death WAY too many times, it makes sense that his next outfit would be bulkier, tougher, able to take more damage, etc...
** Doubled in evidence by the ending of the previous movie: Batman gets the shit kicked out of him by the Joker's goons, escapes them
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* The one piece of clothing that Penguin consistently wears throughout the film? It's basically an adult-size version of the onesie he was wearing when his parents abandoned him.
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* Why does the Penguin ride around in a giant yellow duck? It's definitely one of the oddest and most memorable parts of the film, but there's two reasons to explain it
** The first is that, during the sweeping shot of the dilapidated zoo, you can, for a moment, see a cable-car ride with giant yellow duck 'cars' for people to sit in. Much like the rest of the zoo, it's falling apart, so it's possible that the Penguin simply kept one of the cars for himself and repurposed it over time, using the mechanical skills his clowns clearly have, as displayed when they put the control device in the Batmobile
** The second goes back to the very start of the film. When the Penguin was just a baby, watch when he's being kept in a cage. There's a cheap-looking mobile hanging in front of the bars, and if you look close enough, you'll see hanging on it a bright yellow ducky toy... identical in fact to the one the Penguin rides around in later. It's possible that, tying into the first, he found the old bit of cable car equipment and saw it as the only part of his past he actually knew about, the bright yellow duck that was hanging in front of his infant eyes
** The first is that, during the sweeping shot of the dilapidated zoo, you can, for a moment, see a cable-car ride with giant yellow duck 'cars' for people to sit in. Much like the rest of the zoo, it's falling apart, so it's possible that the Penguin simply kept one of the cars for himself and repurposed it over time, using the mechanical skills his clowns clearly have, as displayed when they put the control device in the Batmobile
** The second goes back to the very start of the film. When the Penguin was just a baby, watch when he's being kept in a cage. There's a cheap-looking mobile hanging in front of the bars, and if you look close enough, you'll see hanging on it a bright yellow ducky toy... identical in fact to the one the Penguin rides around in later. It's possible that, tying into the first, he found the old bit of cable car equipment and saw it as the only part of his past he actually knew about, the bright yellow duck that was hanging in front of his infant eyes
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** This troper's interpretation was that he loved Selina Kyle, but hated Catwoman, and saw her as just another criminal that needed arresting or, if she kept annoying him, killing. Then he learned she was a good person underneath, and wanted to help her, unconventionally teaching him that killing people is wrong. Hence why, in 'Batman Forever', he doesn't directly kill Two-Face, and only because it's the only way out of the situation. He learned his lesson
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** Doubled in evidence by the ending of the previous movie: Batman gets the shit kicked out of him by the Joker's goons, escapes them pretty much by luck, and is barely able to kill the Joker before falling to his near death. In the finale, he chanced death WAY too many times, it makes sense that his next outfit would be bulkier, tougher, able to take more damage, etc...
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* The change of the Batsuit from the organic look of ''{{Film/Batman}}'' to the armoured look of ''Batman Returns''? Mere stylistic choice? Not so fast! In the first movie Batman is feared as being a giant bat, a literal supernatural monster. It's only when crooks get a good look at him and realize it's body armour do they realize that he's human. What helps with the illusion? The sculpted muscles on the suit. They hide nothing the armour aspect completely in favour of getting that extra fear value. But at the end of the movie Batman is publicly declared a hero and the illusion is lost. So what does he do? He scraps the "giant bat" look and dons a more mechanical and armoured looking suit, and it can be assumed with the larger plates that it offers a lot more protection.
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* The change of the Batsuit from the organic look of ''{{Film/Batman}}'' to the armoured look of ''Batman Returns''? Mere stylistic choice? Not so fast! In the first movie Batman is feared as being a giant bat, a literal supernatural monster. It's only when crooks get a good look at him and realize it's body armour do they realize that he's human. What helps with the illusion? The sculpted muscles on the suit. They hide nothing nothing, the armour aspect completely in favour of getting that extra fear value. But at the end of the movie Batman is publicly declared a hero and the illusion is lost. So what does he do? He scraps the "giant bat" look and dons a more mechanical and armoured looking suit, and it can be assumed with the larger plates that it offers a lot more protection.
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* Metajoke: two of the actors in this movie previously played asylum inmates in OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest, and both play villains: Danny De Vito and Vincent Schiavelli. Batman has the most well-known insane rogues' gallery in comics.
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* Metajoke: two of the actors in this movie previously played asylum inmates in OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest, ''Film/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'', and both play villains: Danny De Vito and Vincent Schiavelli. Batman has the most well-known insane rogues' gallery in comics.
