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** This is also [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] to an extent, as one of the biggest reasons behind the [[GovernmentConspiracy government keeping the existence of magic a secret from the general public]] is that [[BadPowersBadPeople the most dangerous and destructive spells are very likely to end up in the hands of people who both desire them and won't care about the morality about it]], as caring even slightly about the harm you could cause others can prevent you from gaining access to certain spells, as shown when Pandora couldn't grant [[spoiler:Ashley]] any spells that fit her desires of transforming others because of her inherent goodness. The authorities unfortunately also have plenty of evidence to back up their concerns about the misuse of magic should it become widespread, [[spoiler:with Not-Tengu being one such example of a normal man gaining magic and using for his own twisted desires]].
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* MailOrderNovelty: One [[https://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook.php?id=724 non-canon comic]] says that Catalina's very poor {{Gaydar}} is because she bought a literal gaydar device from a comic book ad that advertised itself as "100% accurate."
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* MagicAIsMagicA:
** The magical rules are being explained to the audience as the main characters learn them. Every time a new spell is introduced, the readers are told exactly what it is capable of. In addition, it has been explained [[http://egscomics.com/?date=2007-01-31 how characters gain new spells,]] and [[http://egscomics.com/?date=2008-11-13 how someone can gain access to magic to begin with]] (continued on the next two pages). It has also been stated that it is impossible to bring the dead back to life, create undead beyond telekinetically using a corpse as a puppet, and [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1285 to travel through time]] (though according to the author, time travel is only impossible because Tedd having access to time travel would make him an InvincibleHero).
** Later it is revealed that Magic itself has [[SentientCosmicForce sentience]] (as well as [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1116 a flair for the dramatic]]). Apparently, the rules of magic can occasionally require for one of multiple events to occur, [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1456 which is when its consciousness takes over]]. [[spoiler:[[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1832 It can also alter its own rules for how it works whenever it chooses]], [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1833 though usually some things will stay constant]].]] One of the largest consistent rules of magic is basically 'anything magic has to do with something related to magic'; [[spoiler:the will of magic's 'flair for the dramatic' comes from an inability to see anything that has not come into contact with magic, which includes large populations. This means it typically observes and takes data from LargeHam mad wizards when they're high from casting spells and powerless muggles cowering in fear, and assumes that's what humanity's two archetypes are.]]
** The magical rules are being explained to the audience as the main characters learn them. Every time a new spell is introduced, the readers are told exactly what it is capable of. In addition, it has been explained [[http://egscomics.com/?date=2007-01-31 how characters gain new spells,]] and [[http://egscomics.com/?date=2008-11-13 how someone can gain access to magic to begin with]] (continued on the next two pages). It has also been stated that it is impossible to bring the dead back to life, create undead beyond telekinetically using a corpse as a puppet, and [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1285 to travel through time]] (though according to the author, time travel is only impossible because Tedd having access to time travel would make him an InvincibleHero).
** Later it is revealed that Magic itself has [[SentientCosmicForce sentience]] (as well as [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1116 a flair for the dramatic]]). Apparently, the rules of magic can occasionally require for one of multiple events to occur, [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1456 which is when its consciousness takes over]]. [[spoiler:[[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1832 It can also alter its own rules for how it works whenever it chooses]], [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1833 though usually some things will stay constant]].]] One of the largest consistent rules of magic is basically 'anything magic has to do with something related to magic'; [[spoiler:the will of magic's 'flair for the dramatic' comes from an inability to see anything that has not come into contact with magic, which includes large populations. This means it typically observes and takes data from LargeHam mad wizards when they're high from casting spells and powerless muggles cowering in fear, and assumes that's what humanity's two archetypes are.]]
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* MotionlessMakeover: Justin likes doing this to Nanase when her body's unconscious during the use of her Fairy Doll spell. He limits himself to the hairdo, however.
* MotorMouth: Heidi, \AKA Elliot's party girl alter ego, is perfectly capable of having long and fast-paced speech as seen [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-06-06 here.]]
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* MotorMouth: Heidi, \AKA Elliot's party girl alter ego, is perfectly capable of having long and fast-paced speech as seen [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-06-06 here.]]
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** Justified with Ellen and all of Elliot's female forms since they're based on the [=FV5=] setting on the TF Gun, which is a "perfect female form" as designed by a HormoneAddledTeenager.
** Discussed and possibly justified by Tedd, who hypothesizes that [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2012-06-13 having magic energy can cause physical changes]], which can include a larger bust. It's one explanation for why Moperville seems to be a WorldOfBuxom.
* MotionlessMakeover: Justin likesdoing this to Nanase messing with Nanase's hair when her body's unconscious during the use of her Fairy Doll spell. He limits himself to the hairdo, however.
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* MotorMouth: Heidi,\AKA AKA Elliot's party girl alter ego, is perfectly capable of having long and fast-paced speech as seen [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-06-06 here.]]
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** Justified with Ellen and all of Elliot's female forms since they're based on the [=FV5=] setting on the TF Gun, which is a "perfect female form" as designed by a HormoneAddledTeenager.
** Discussed and possibly justified by Tedd, who hypothesizes that [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2012-06-13 having magic energy can cause physical changes]], which can include a larger bust. It's one explanation for why Moperville seems to be a WorldOfBuxom.
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* NowAllowedToHug: Susan, as part of her DefrostingIceQueen arc, went from [[HatesBeingTouched not wanting to be touched]] (let alone hugged) to [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2013-12-19 trying]] [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2013-12-20 to get over]] her discomfort, and eventually [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2014-01-24 succeeding]].
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* PayEvilUntoEvil: A group of dissidents from Griffonworld plot to lift one of their own to [[TheMagocracy Royalty]] using a [[spoiler:PowerParasite staff on a person with the same power from the main universe, ''preferably'' on someone unpleasant enough for them to not feel guilty about it.]]
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* PayEvilUntoEvil: A group of dissidents from Griffonworld plot to lift one of their own to [[TheMagocracy Royalty]] using a [[spoiler:PowerParasite staff on a person with the same power from the main universe, ''preferably'' on someone unpleasant enough for them to not feel guilty about it.it, though some of them aren't so picky.]]
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* PayEvilUntoEvil: A group of dissidents from Griffonworld plot to lift one of their own to [[TheMagocracy Royalty]] using a [[spoiler:PowerParasite staff on a person with the same power from the main universe, ''preferably'' on someone unpleasant enough for them to not feel guilty about it.]]
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* MinionsCustomizedAtCreation: Summons whose forms are made from magic, usually also have a part of the SummonMagic being able to tweak the result with sufficient will.
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* MutualMasquarade: The main cast hides the fact they have magic from Rhoda and Catalina. Rhoda and Catalina in perfect mirror hide the fact ''they'' have magic from ''them''. The main cast for their part has reason to suspect Rhoda and Catalina have magic, but they can't be sure and are afraid of the potential consequences if they approach the two girls about it and they happen to be wrong.
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* MutualMasquarade: MutualMasquerade: The main cast hides the fact they have magic from Rhoda and Catalina. Rhoda and Catalina in perfect mirror hide the fact ''they'' have magic from ''them''. The main cast for their part has reason to suspect Rhoda and Catalina have magic, but they can't be sure and are afraid of the potential consequences if they approach the two girls about it and they happen to be wrong.
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* OurMagesAreDifferent: The story uses different technical terms for magic users and familiar terms have specific technical meanings:
** Awakened means anyone who can get new spells from continuous magic use.
** Dreaming means anyone who has access to magic without being Awakened.
** Wizards don't mean any human magic user. Wizards specifically refer to those that can copy the spells of others. They are born with that distinction.
** Seers don't mean people who can see into the past, future, or faraway places. Here, Seers are a rare subtype of Wizards. They have high magic resistances and magic energy, can't awaken, can't gain spells of their own, and can see magic and how spells work.
** Awakened means anyone who can get new spells from continuous magic use.
** Dreaming means anyone who has access to magic without being Awakened.
** Wizards don't mean any human magic user. Wizards specifically refer to those that can copy the spells of others. They are born with that distinction.
** Seers don't mean people who can see into the past, future, or faraway places. Here, Seers are a rare subtype of Wizards. They have high magic resistances and magic energy, can't awaken, can't gain spells of their own, and can see magic and how spells work.
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* TheMagocracy: In the other side of reality, authority is decided by magical power, primarily by those who have auras in the shape of a crown. The intention was to keep magic at the centre of political power. Many people resent said system, especially the non-humans since only ''humans'' have shown the magic aura of royalty, with the griffin Tara saying she thinks their ancestors dropped the ball when that agreement was made. With contact between the main universe and Gryphon World increasing, opportunists hope to take advantage of having access to another world to create a social revolution. However, the idea of magic power equaling authority is so ingrained that even said dissidents think that the main world ''must'' be a magocracy despite the masquerade, and that the powerful magic users are hidden dictators.
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* TheMagocracy: TheMagocracy:
** In the other side of reality, authority is decided by magical power, primarily by those who have auras in the shape of a crown. The intention was to keep magic at the centre of political power. Many people resent said system, especially the non-humans since only ''humans'' have shown the magic aura of royalty, with the griffin Tara saying she thinks their ancestors dropped the ball when that agreement was made. With contact between the main universe and Gryphon World increasing, opportunists hope to take advantage of having access to another world to create a socialrevolution. revolution.
** Played with in the main reality. Magic power is ''not'' a factor for determining leadership, being tangential at best. However, the idea of magic powerequaling equalling authority is so ingrained in the other side of reality that even said dissidents who hate the magocracy system in their world think that the main world ''must'' be a magocracy despite the masquerade, and that the powerful magic users are hidden dictators.
** In the other side of reality, authority is decided by magical power, primarily by those who have auras in the shape of a crown. The intention was to keep magic at the centre of political power. Many people resent said system, especially the non-humans since only ''humans'' have shown the magic aura of royalty, with the griffin Tara saying she thinks their ancestors dropped the ball when that agreement was made. With contact between the main universe and Gryphon World increasing, opportunists hope to take advantage of having access to another world to create a social
** Played with in the main reality. Magic power is ''not'' a factor for determining leadership, being tangential at best. However, the idea of magic power
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* TheMagocracy: In the other side of reality, authority is decided by magical power, primarily by those who have auras in the shape of a crown. The intention was to keep magic at the centre of political power. Many people resent said system, especially the non-humans since only ''humans'' have shown the magic aura of royalty, with the griffin Tara saying she thinks their ancestors dropped the ball when that agreement was made. With contact between the main universe and Gryphon World increasing, opportunists hope to take advantage of having access to another world to create a social revolution.
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* TheMagocracy: In the other side of reality, authority is decided by magical power, primarily by those who have auras in the shape of a crown. The intention was to keep magic at the centre of political power. Many people resent said system, especially the non-humans since only ''humans'' have shown the magic aura of royalty, with the griffin Tara saying she thinks their ancestors dropped the ball when that agreement was made. With contact between the main universe and Gryphon World increasing, opportunists hope to take advantage of having access to another world to create a social revolution. However, the idea of magic power equaling authority is so ingrained that even said dissidents think that the main world ''must'' be a magocracy despite the masquerade, and that the powerful magic users are hidden dictators.
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* NoSell: One of the abilities of a Seer is that they have incredible magic resistances compared to everyone else, allowing them to outright resist a lot of enchantments.
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* PowerCopying: In this setting, wizards are specifically people who can copy the spells of all others. Not all spells can be copied.
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* PowerIncontinence: If a magic user awakens improperly, they have to temporarily deal with energy buildups which forces them to use spells to use up excess magic energy.
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* PowerAtAPrice: A key feature of the magic system is the value of attributes. Some spells can be easier to cast if you make temporary sacrifices, so long as the trade-offs makes sense to the caster. For example, a spell to increase strength can be easier to cast at the cost of reason if that genuinely makes at least some amount of sense to the caster.
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** More Premature Sadness than Aggravation, but in [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1601 this]] strip, Sarah recognises that Eliot is planning to break up with her (because she was planning to break up with him) and while she starts off thinking that simplifies things, she then starts wondering ''why'', so by the time they actually meet up, she's got PuppyDogEyes.
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** More Premature Sadness than Aggravation, but in [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1601 this]] strip, Sarah recognises that Eliot Elliot is planning to break up with her (because she was planning to break up with him) and while she starts off thinking that simplifies things, she then starts wondering ''why'', so by the time they actually meet up, she's got PuppyDogEyes.
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* PrematureAggravation:
** In [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1195 this]] strip, Elliot starts out consciously trying not to be prejudiced against Melissa for wronging Justin but thinking about it makes him angry to the point that when he actually meets her, his greeting is dripping with barely suppressed rage.
** More Premature Sadness than Aggravation, but in [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1601 this]] strip, Sarah recognises that Eliot is planning to break up with her (because she was planning to break up with him) and while she starts off thinking that simplifies things, she then starts wondering ''why'', so by the time they actually meet up, she's got PuppyDogEyes.
** In [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1195 this]] strip, Elliot starts out consciously trying not to be prejudiced against Melissa for wronging Justin but thinking about it makes him angry to the point that when he actually meets her, his greeting is dripping with barely suppressed rage.
** More Premature Sadness than Aggravation, but in [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1601 this]] strip, Sarah recognises that Eliot is planning to break up with her (because she was planning to break up with him) and while she starts off thinking that simplifies things, she then starts wondering ''why'', so by the time they actually meet up, she's got PuppyDogEyes.
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** Readers as well as characters InUniverse are led to believe that Susan and Diane are twins separated at birth due to their physical resemblance, being born close in time to each other, the reborn immortal Jerry acting as if they are sisters, and the two having the same magic affinity. [[spoiler:Edward reveals early into ''Sister 3'' that they're ''not'' twins because when he did a background check on Susan, he saw the hospital records confirming Susan is an only child and not adopted. The reincarnation of Jerry is also quickly revealed to have no special insight and happens to be wrong about Susan and Diane being sisters. The truth is revealed during the ''Apocalypse'' part of ''Sister 3''. Pandora reveals that through Adrian, Susan and Diane are both their descendants, with Susan being a distant one while Diane is Adrian's ''daughter'']].
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** Readers as well as characters InUniverse are led to believe that Susan and Diane are twins separated at birth due to their physical resemblance, being born close in time to each other, the reborn immortal Jerry acting as if they are sisters, and the two having the same magic affinity. [[spoiler:Edward reveals early into ''Sister 3'' that they're ''not'' twins because when he did a background check on Susan, he saw the hospital records confirming Susan is an only child and not adopted. The timing of their births is pure coincidence. The reincarnation of Jerry is also quickly revealed to have no special insight and happens to be wrong about Susan and Diane being sisters. The truth is revealed during the ''Apocalypse'' part of ''Sister 3''. Pandora reveals that through Adrian, Susan and Diane are both their descendants, with Susan being a distant one while Diane is Adrian's ''daughter'']].
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** Readers as well as characters InUniverse are led to believe that Susan and Diane are twins separated at birth due to their physical resemblance, being born close in time to each other, the reborn immortal Jerry acting as if they are sisters, and the two having the same magic affinity. [[spoiler:Edward reveals early into ''Sister 3'' that they're ''not'' twins because when he did a background check on Susan, he saw the hospital records confirming Susan is an only child and not adopted. The reincarnation of Jerry is also quickly revealed to have no special insight and happens to be wrong about Susan and Diane being sisters. The truth is revealed during the ''Apocalypse'' part of ''Sister 3''. Pandora reveals that through Adrian, Susan and Diane are both their descendants, with Susan being a distant one while Diane is Adrian's ''daughter'']].
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* NecessarilyEvil: Abraham, due to his oath, considers himself bounded to murdering Ellen in spite of her lack of guilt in any wrong-doing and her not actually being a danger to the people around her. When given an out, he leaps at it to avoid having to commit murder.
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* NecessarilyEvil: NecessarilyEvil:
** Abraham, due to his oath, considers himself bounded to murdering Ellen in spite of her lack of guilt in any wrong-doing and her not actually being a danger to the people around her. When given an out, he leaps at it to avoid having to commitmurder.murder.
** Arthur calls himself monstrous and the whole thing of TheMenInBlack denying a lot of freedom to magic users and working without public accountability to be antithetical to the ideals of a free and fair society like the USA is supposed to be, but considers all that necessary to prevent the harm magic could do. With the irreversible public awareness of magic, he views Tedd as the provider of a better solution so that they no longer need a secret police for magic.
** Abraham, due to his oath, considers himself bounded to murdering Ellen in spite of her lack of guilt in any wrong-doing and her not actually being a danger to the people around her. When given an out, he leaps at it to avoid having to commit
** Arthur calls himself monstrous and the whole thing of TheMenInBlack denying a lot of freedom to magic users and working without public accountability to be antithetical to the ideals of a free and fair society like the USA is supposed to be, but considers all that necessary to prevent the harm magic could do. With the irreversible public awareness of magic, he views Tedd as the provider of a better solution so that they no longer need a secret police for magic.
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* {{Nepotism}}: The title of the arc where Justin tries to get Grace a job at the comic book store, referencing the fact that his uncle owns the place and the only reason Grace even got an interview with him is because her friend Justin set it up.
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* {{Nepotism}}: {{Nepotism}}:
** The title of the arc where Justin tries to get Grace a job at the comic book store, referencing the fact that his uncle owns the place and the only reason Grace even got an interview with him is because her friend Justin set itup.up.
** Downplayed. It's acknowledged in-universe that in addition to being the only other known Seer in the entire USA, Tedd being the son of Edward, a VIP in the magic community, is a large factor in them getting their government-funded lab for magic research.
** The title of the arc where Justin tries to get Grace a job at the comic book store, referencing the fact that his uncle owns the place and the only reason Grace even got an interview with him is because her friend Justin set it
** Downplayed. It's acknowledged in-universe that in addition to being the only other known Seer in the entire USA, Tedd being the son of Edward, a VIP in the magic community, is a large factor in them getting their government-funded lab for magic research.
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* MutualMasquarade: The main cast hides the fact they have magic from Rhoda and Catalina. Rhoda and Catalina in perfect mirror hide the fact ''they'' have magic from ''them''. The main cast for their part has reason to suspect Rhoda and Catalina have magic, but they can't be sure and are afraid of the potential consequences if they approach the two girls about it and they happen to be wrong.
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* RomanceInducingSmudge: Subverted when [[spoiler:Ellen]] goes to wipe a smudge off Nanase's face and she freaks out because [[spoiler:she was having trouble admitting her attraction to Ellen, and moments like that only made it more awkward]].
* RomanticSpoonfeeding: While Tedd [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-193 feeding pizza to Elliot]] after Elliot injures his hands is a platonic display of affection (well, mostly platonic), that doesn't stop Mr. Verres from suspecting it might be romantic.
* RomanticSpoonfeeding: While Tedd [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-193 feeding pizza to Elliot]] after Elliot injures his hands is a platonic display of affection (well, mostly platonic), that doesn't stop Mr. Verres from suspecting it might be romantic.
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* RomanceInducingSmudge: Subverted when [[spoiler:Ellen]] Ellen goes to wipe a smudge off Nanase's face and she freaks out because [[spoiler:she she was having trouble admitting her attraction to Ellen, and moments like that only made it more awkward]].awkward.
* RomanticSpoonfeeding: While Tedd is [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-193 feeding pizza to Elliot]] after Elliot injures his hands is a platonic display of affection (well, mostly platonic), that doesn't stop Mr. Verres from suspecting it might be romantic.
* RomanticSpoonfeeding: While Tedd is [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-193 feeding pizza to Elliot]] after Elliot injures his hands is a platonic display of affection (well, mostly platonic), that doesn't stop Mr. Verres from suspecting it might be romantic.
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** Tedd eventually deduces that magic isn't technically overly dramatic, it just [[BlueAndOrangeMorality doesn't understand humans]] and isn't good at subtle, so when it wants to communicate something it has to do it BIG.
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** Tedd eventually deduces that magic isn't technically overly dramatic, it just [[BlueAndOrangeMorality [[HumansThroughAlienEyes doesn't understand humans]] and isn't good at subtle, so when it wants to communicate something it has to do it BIG.
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** Elliot not keeping up to date on his spellbook.
*** Expanded to also include Susan and Ellen. Apparently Nanase is the only member of the main cast who bothers to read spellbooks (both her own and Ellen's).
*** Expanded to also include Susan and Ellen. Apparently Nanase is the only member of the main cast who bothers to read spellbooks (both her own and Ellen's).
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* RunningGagged: The Hammers, Demonic Duck, and for a while Ted's androgyny were killed for a short while.
** Tedd's androgyny eventually came back [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1847 as part of his character development]] instead of as a gag.
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** The Hammers, Demonic Duck, and for a while Ted's androgyny were killed for a shortwhile.
**while. Tedd's androgyny eventually came back [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1847 as part of his character development]] instead of as a gag.
** The Hammers, Demonic Duck, and for a while Ted's androgyny were killed for a short
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Raven, as shown [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2008-02-22 here.]]
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Raven, as shown [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2008-02-22 here.]]Raven can be quite accommodating of his students when its clear there are special circumstances involved, even if he doesn't know what those circumstances are.
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** Eric, who was introduced at the start of [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-08-18 the New and Old Flames arc,]] initially appears to be the one who [[spoiler:[[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-04-06 summoned the fire creature,]]]] but we quickly find out that it was really [[spoiler:Dex, who only appeared to be an odd background character]]. And it turns out that [[spoiler:Dex wasn't the {{BigBad}}, either. He was being possessed]].
** Given [[spoiler:Pandora]]'s reputation and the [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2011-06-29 symbolism]] involved with [[spoiler:Dex's pendant]], Raven concluded afterwards that [[spoiler:Pandora marked Dex, gave him the pendant, and manipulated him]]. But it's later revealed that [[spoiler:Voltaire, another Immortal]] did those things instead.
** Given [[spoiler:Pandora]]'s reputation and the [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2011-06-29 symbolism]] involved with [[spoiler:Dex's pendant]], Raven concluded afterwards that [[spoiler:Pandora marked Dex, gave him the pendant, and manipulated him]]. But it's later revealed that [[spoiler:Voltaire, another Immortal]] did those things instead.
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** Eric, who was introduced at the start of [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-08-18 the New and Old Flames arc,]] initially appears to be the one who [[spoiler:[[http://www.[[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-04-06 summoned the fire creature,]]]] creature,]] but we quickly find out that it was really [[spoiler:Dex, Dex, who only appeared to be an odd background character]]. character. And it turns out that [[spoiler:Dex Dex wasn't the {{BigBad}}, BigBad, either. He was being possessed]].
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** Given[[spoiler:Pandora]]'s Pandora's reputation and the [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2011-06-29 symbolism]] involved with [[spoiler:Dex's pendant]], Dex's pendant, Raven concluded afterwards that [[spoiler:Pandora Pandora marked Dex, gave him the pendant, and manipulated him]].him. But it's later revealed that [[spoiler:Voltaire, another Immortal]] did those things instead.
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* ReinventingTheTelephone: Nanase's Nanase uses her Fairy Form.Doll to have a magical means of communication with her friends. With inevitable commentary on this by the rest of the cast.
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* RelaxOVision: Used in-universe and weaponized by Jerry. Causes both calming and illusory fluffy animals to cuddle.
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* RelaxOVision: RelaxOVision:
** Used in-universe and weaponized byJerry.Jerry to stop Susan from rampaging mid-angst-induced awakening. Causes both calming and illusory fluffy animals to cuddle.
** Used in-universe and weaponized by
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* ReplacementGoldfish: [[spoiler:Grace; Dr Sciuridae replaced the original gene sample that was to be used for Shade Tail with one from his daughter, after she was killed in a car accident]].
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* ReplacementGoldfish: [[spoiler:Grace; [[spoiler:Grace's entire existence is due to Dr Sciuridae replaced replacing the original gene sample that was to be used for Shade Tail with one from his daughter, after she was killed in a car accident]].accident, so he could have a replacement daughter]].
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* ResetButton: Averted; this is why TimeTravel [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-07-14 is impossible in EGS.]]
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* ResetButton: Averted; this is Referenced as the Doylist reason why TimeTravel [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-07-14 is impossible in EGS.]]]] All drama is undermined if the cast has access to a convenient way to undo the consequences of anything they did.
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* RevisitingTheRoots: The [[http://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook/?date=2012-01-21 10th anniversary sketchbook.]]
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* RevisitingTheRoots: The [[http://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook/?date=2012-01-21 10th anniversary sketchbook.]]sketchbook]] is an upgraded redo of the first comic strip.
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---> '''Nanase:''' ''[angrily]'' How would Grace like it if I had a magic watch that could make me look like ''her!?''\\\\
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---> '''Nanase:''' ''[angrily]'' How would Grace like it if I had a magic watch that could make me look like ''her!?''\\\\''her!?''\\
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* RightBehindMe: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-03-16 That]]'s awkward.
* RightHandCat: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2005-02-16 For an Evil Lady.]]
* RightHandCat: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2005-02-16 For an Evil Lady.]]
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* RightBehindMe: While Susan and Sarah talk about Matt, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-03-16 That]]'s awkward.
Susan discovers he's right behind her]].
* RightHandCat: Played with. No one present is evil, but [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2005-02-16For an Evil Lady.]]Ellen invoked the aesthetics of the trope]] for when Elliot discovered what Grace decided on the theme of her party, stroking their cat Brownie while giving a maniacal laugh.
* RightHandCat: Played with. No one present is evil, but [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2005-02-16
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** Grace, even for stuff that's not so "pop."
-->'''Grace:''' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-06-25 Who the hell is Santa Claus?]]
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-05-04 Elliot apparently didn't pay much attention]] to ''Film/TheMatrix''.
-->'''Grace:''' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-06-25 Who the hell is Santa Claus?]]
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-05-04 Elliot apparently didn't pay much attention]] to ''Film/TheMatrix''.
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** Grace, Because of her upbringing, Grace misses a lot of pop-cultural references, and even for stuff that's not so "pop."
-->'''Grace:''' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-06-25 Who the hell is"pop" such as not knowing who's Santa Claus?]]
Claus.
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-05-04 Elliot apparently didn't pay much attention]] to''Film/TheMatrix''.''Film/TheMatrix'', in spite of [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?date=2003-06-22 owning the film]].
-->'''Grace:''' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-06-25 Who the hell is
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-05-04 Elliot apparently didn't pay much attention]] to
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*** [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?date=2003-06-22 But he owns that movie]] and [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?date=2003-12-08 he used to be able to make references.]]
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* PostHistoricalTrauma: Done self-consciously for Grace's first day at school. [[spoiler:Subverted when it turns out to be not about UsefulNotes/WorldWarII as such, but related personal experience]].
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* PostHistoricalTrauma: Done self-consciously for Grace's first day at school. [[spoiler:Subverted Subverted when it turns out to be not about UsefulNotes/WorldWarII as such, but related personal experience]].experience.
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* PowerGivesYouWings: Nanase, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-10-09 here.]] And [[OhCrap boy does she look PISSED]].
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* PowerGivesYouWings: Nanase, Nanase's angel form, which comes with a power boost, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-10-09 here.]] And [[OhCrap boy does she look PISSED]].also comes with angel wings.]]
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** The reason or meaning of [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2007-11-24 occasionally glowing Tedd]] when he thinks of Grace is (as yet) unknown. As is his glowing during a Eureka! moment and a personal revelation. Apparently it's a real glow and not artistic convention, as Grace can see it too. [[spoiler:It might be due to Tedd being a seer, especially the latter moment, but has not been explicitly explained as such as of 2022.]]
*** In fact, Tedd nearly ''blinds'' someone who was looking for auras. And who was looking at a guy near him.
*** In fact, Tedd nearly ''blinds'' someone who was looking for auras. And who was looking at a guy near him.
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** The reason or meaning of [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2007-11-24 occasionally glowing Tedd]] when he thinks of Grace is (as yet) unknown. As is his glowing during a Eureka! moment and a personal revelation. Apparently it's a real glow and not artistic convention, as Grace can see it too. In fact, Tedd nearly ''blinds'' someone who was looking for auras. And who was looking at a guy near him. [[spoiler:It might be due to Tedd being a seer, especially the latter moment, but has not been explicitly explained as such as of 2022.]]
*** In fact, Tedd nearly ''blinds'' someone who was looking for auras. And who was looking at a guy near him.]]
*** In fact, Tedd nearly ''blinds'' someone who was looking for auras. And who was looking at a guy near him.
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** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-03-24 Tedd showers as a girl.]]
** Also subverted: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-12-13 Elliot fails at perversion.]]
** Not yet explored, but [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-02-18 Grace has full control over her breast size.]]
** Also subverted: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-12-13 Elliot fails at perversion.]]
** Not yet explored, but [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-02-18 Grace has full control over her breast size.]]
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** Tedd has access to an alien gun that can transform people. What does he do with it? [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-03-24 Tedd showers as a girl.]]
** Alsosubverted: subverted. Elliot can turn into a girl, but [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-12-13 Elliot fails at perversion.]]
** Not yet explored, but [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-02-18 Grace has full control over her breast size.]]
** Also
** Not yet explored, but [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-02-18 Grace has full control over her breast size.
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** [[https://www.patreon.com/posts/double-calling-5566586 One of the Patreon Pinups]] features Ashley straddling Elliot and calling him while he's [[spoiler:shape-shifted in his Cheerleadra form, in which his phone and its functionality - including ''vibrating alerts'' - become a part of him.]] Dan even mentions in a comment that the only thing keeping this scene from being canon is that they haven't had an in-story opportunity to do it yet.
* PowersAsPrograms: [[spoiler:A significant breakthrough that Tedd developed for magic is the ability to program spells on a computer for installation into wands, and extremely useful feature when magic switched from automatic to manual]].
* PowersAsPrograms: [[spoiler:A significant breakthrough that Tedd developed for magic is the ability to program spells on a computer for installation into wands, and extremely useful feature when magic switched from automatic to manual]].
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** [[https://www.patreon.com/posts/double-calling-5566586 One of the Patreon Pinups]] features Ashley straddling Elliot and calling him while he's [[spoiler:shape-shifted shape-shifted in his Cheerleadra form, in which his phone and its functionality - including ''vibrating alerts'' - become a part of him.]] him. Dan even mentions in a comment that the only thing keeping this scene from being canon is that they haven't had an in-story opportunity to do it yet.
* PowersAsPrograms: [[spoiler:A significant breakthrough that Tedd developed for magic is the ability to program spells on a computer for installation into wands,and an extremely useful feature when magic switched from automatic to manual]].
* PowersAsPrograms: [[spoiler:A significant breakthrough that Tedd developed for magic is the ability to program spells on a computer for installation into wands,
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** The trope is mentioned in [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2008-04-30 this]] strip.
** And [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-05-29 when]] Sarah considers what Tedd (shapechanged to look like Grace) might think goes on in women's restrooms.
** And [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-05-29 when]] Sarah considers what Tedd (shapechanged to look like Grace) might think goes on in women's restrooms.
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** The trope is mentioned referenced in [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2008-04-30 this]] strip.
strip where an imaginary Ellen shown an imaginary Grace a book on practicing kissing.
** And [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-05-29 when]] Sarah considers what Tedd (shapechanged to look like Grace) might think goes on in women'srestrooms.restrooms, the first and only thing she thinks off is girls practicing kissing.
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* PsychoactivePowers: When someone makes [[spoiler:Grace]] explode (metaphorically), something is going to explode (literally).
* PsychoticSmirk: Along with EvilLaugh, played to the hilt with Raven though he could just be being creepy and weird.
* PsychoticSmirk: Along with EvilLaugh, played to the hilt with Raven though he could just be being creepy and weird.
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* PsychoactivePowers: When someone makes [[spoiler:Grace]] Grace explode (metaphorically), something is going to explode (literally).
* PsychoticSmirk: Along with EvilLaugh, played to the hilt with Raven though hecould was just be being creepy and weird.
* PsychoticSmirk: Along with EvilLaugh, played to the hilt with Raven though he
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* PunctuatedForEmphasis: When Raven makes it clear that [[spoiler:Grace living is more important than him living]]. '''''[[http://www.elgoonishshive.com/?date=2012-01-06 DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND. ME?]]'''''
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* PunctuatedForEmphasis: When Raven makes it clear that [[spoiler:Grace Grace living is more important than him living]].living. '''''[[http://www.elgoonishshive.com/?date=2012-01-06 DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND. ME?]]'''''
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** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-03-29 None Can Stand Alone Against a Septet of Puppy Dog Eyes]]! When performed by ''Susan'', it's mostly used [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-01-28 for shock effect.]]
** At least when she does it intentionally. [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/?date=2010-02-12 Otherwise…]]
** And [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-08-09 again.]]
** At least when she does it intentionally. [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/?date=2010-02-12 Otherwise…]]
** And [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-08-09 again.]]
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** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-03-29 None Can Stand Alone Against a Septet of Puppy Dog Eyes]]! When performed done by ''Susan'', ''Susan'' on purpose, it's mostly used [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-01-28 for shock effect.]]
** At least when]] It scares both Jeremy and Justin. When she does it intentionally. accidentally, [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/?date=2010-02-12 Otherwise…]]
it's much more effective]].
**And Susan gets hit by seven sources of puppy dog eyes during Grace's party [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-03-29 None Can Stand Alone Against a Septet of Puppy Dog Eyes]]!
** Grace convinces Ellen and Nanase to go on a double-date with her and Tedd through the power [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-08-09again.of puppy dog eyes.]]
** At least when
**
** Grace convinces Ellen and Nanase to go on a double-date with her and Tedd through the power [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-08-09
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** Lord Tedd, who was shaping up to be the GreaterScopeVillain before Dan decided to shelf the character for now (as in, now ''decades''). [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2008-09-01 one strip.]]
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** Lord Tedd, who was shaping up to be the GreaterScopeVillain before Dan decided to shelf the character for now (as in, now ''decades''). [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2008-09-01 one strip.]]
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* PoorCommunicationKills: Averted by Justin when confronted with an angry, incomprehensible fire monster; his first response is to try and work out a way to communicate, rather than go straight to beating the tar out of it. [[spoiler:It attacks anyway, but it's the thought that counts]]. Later his sensei Greg tries to talk as far as possible too.
** The ''Identity'' arc features this (and more broadly the nuances of people communicating) as a recurring theme, as the commentary makes clear -- though mostly in aversion. It has the aftermath of Elliot and Sarah's surprisingly [[spoiler:clean and angst-free breakup]], Ashley and Elliot cutting short a lot of drama by simply [[spoiler:admitting that they like each other right there and then]] and Susan managing to trip up an attempt to manipulate her simply by being honest about her feelings and intents (on the non-aversion side, it also features a nearly-disastrous attempt by Catalina to counter helping spread a (false, though she believed it at first) rumour about Elliot and [[spoiler:Tom's deceitful manipulations backfiring on him]], destroying any chance of a friendship with Susan).
** The ''Identity'' arc features this (and more broadly the nuances of people communicating) as a recurring theme, as the commentary makes clear -- though mostly in aversion. It has the aftermath of Elliot and Sarah's surprisingly [[spoiler:clean and angst-free breakup]], Ashley and Elliot cutting short a lot of drama by simply [[spoiler:admitting that they like each other right there and then]] and Susan managing to trip up an attempt to manipulate her simply by being honest about her feelings and intents (on the non-aversion side, it also features a nearly-disastrous attempt by Catalina to counter helping spread a (false, though she believed it at first) rumour about Elliot and [[spoiler:Tom's deceitful manipulations backfiring on him]], destroying any chance of a friendship with Susan).
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* PoorCommunicationKills: Averted by Justin when confronted with an angry, incomprehensible fire monster; his first response is to try and work out a way to communicate, rather than go straight to beating the tar out of it. [[spoiler:It attacks anyway, but it's the thought that counts]]. Later his sensei Greg tries to talk as far as possible too.
PoorCommunicationKills:
** The ''Identity'' arc features this (and more broadly the nuances of people communicating) as a recurring theme, as the commentary makes clear -- though mostly in aversion. It has the aftermath of Elliot and Sarah's surprisingly [[spoiler:clean and angst-free breakup]], Ashley and Elliot cutting short a lot of drama by simply [[spoiler:admitting that they like each other right there and then]] and Susan managing to trip up an attempt to manipulate her simply by being honest about her feelings andintents (on intents. On the non-aversion side, it also features a nearly-disastrous attempt by Catalina to counter helping spread a (false, though false (though she believed it at first) rumour about Elliot that she decided on her own without telling anyone and [[spoiler:Tom's Tom's deceitful manipulations backfiring on him]], him, destroying any chance of a friendship with Susan).Susan.
** Discussed in ''Question Mark''. Pandora tells Sarah she ''should'' tell her friends about her new spell as otherwise, it would lead to, in Pandora's words, "subpar sitcom hijinks" from the lack of communication.
** The ''Identity'' arc features this (and more broadly the nuances of people communicating) as a recurring theme, as the commentary makes clear -- though mostly in aversion. It has the aftermath of Elliot and Sarah's surprisingly [[spoiler:clean and angst-free breakup]], Ashley and Elliot cutting short a lot of drama by simply [[spoiler:admitting that they like each other right there and then]] and Susan managing to trip up an attempt to manipulate her simply by being honest about her feelings and
** Discussed in ''Question Mark''. Pandora tells Sarah she ''should'' tell her friends about her new spell as otherwise, it would lead to, in Pandora's words, "subpar sitcom hijinks" from the lack of communication.
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* OneSidedArmWrestling: Nanase vs Man-Susan ends quickly in Nanase's wins.
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* OneSidedArmWrestling: Nanase vs Man-Susan ends quickly in Nanase's wins.win.
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* OpenMindedParent: The Dunkels, whose idea of punishing Elliot involves deciding he can only have one brownie with dinner, then forgetting that decision when the time comes and letting him have as many as he wants. There's also a RunningGag where something utterly bizarre happens (like [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-06-18 Elliot turning into a girl for the first time]]) and they respond with indifference, amusement, or immediate acceptance, usually after everyone else has made a much bigger deal of it.
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* OpenMindedParent: The Dunkels, whose idea of punishing Elliot involves deciding he can only have one brownie with dinner, then forgetting that decision when the time comes and letting him have as many as he wants. They didn't even care, or acknowledge, the part where he broke into a government facility. There's also a RunningGag where something utterly bizarre happens (like [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-06-18 Elliot turning into a girl for the first time]]) and they respond with indifference, amusement, or immediate acceptance, usually after everyone else has made a much bigger deal of it.
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* OurElvesAreDifferent: Elves are what you get when you breed humans and immortals (read: small-g gods) together, with all the power that implies. [[spoiler:Raven happens to be one, which explains how he's been teaching since Nanase's mother was in high school]]. Elves are bound to similar rules as immortals, being disallowed from directly interfering with mortals except when magic is involved and/or innocent lives are in peril. [[spoiler:Raven's mother is trying to break TheMasquerade partially to get rid of these limitations. She claims she's doing it for him, but it seems like she might just be doing it out of boredom.]]
* OurFairiesAreDifferent: [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2331 This comic]] reveals that immortals (mentioned above) used to be referred to as fairies. They're [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shapeshifters]] with [[RealityWarper reality warping]] powers who [[TheFairFolk mostly view mortals as a source of entertainment]] and set up a series of rules to control their interactions with the mortal world. Presumably, they changed the name either before or after the [[{{Disneyfication}} modern]] [[FairyCompanion view]] [[WingedHumanoid of]] [[SparkFairy fairies]] came about.
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: The creature that [[spoiler:[[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-05-21 attacked Susan and Nanase in France]]]]. It's strongly emphasized by Susan that it wasn't ''really'' a vampire, but it was vampire-like enough that they may as well call it one. While they aren't TheUndead, aberrations do use ImmortalityImmorality. All aberrations are TheSociopath, lacking any sympathy and desire for companionship. The comic eventually makes vampire an official synonym[[note]] or hyponym, it isn't unambiguously clear yet[[/note]] for aberration.
** This trope also applies within ''El Goonish Shive'' itself, as "aberration" is [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2013-09-27 an umbrella term]] for [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2010-05-21 a]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2010-08-11 broad]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2016-01-25 variety]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-08-23 of]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-12-08 different]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-12-11 monsters.]]
* OurFairiesAreDifferent: [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2331 This comic]] reveals that immortals (mentioned above) used to be referred to as fairies. They're [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shapeshifters]] with [[RealityWarper reality warping]] powers who [[TheFairFolk mostly view mortals as a source of entertainment]] and set up a series of rules to control their interactions with the mortal world. Presumably, they changed the name either before or after the [[{{Disneyfication}} modern]] [[FairyCompanion view]] [[WingedHumanoid of]] [[SparkFairy fairies]] came about.
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: The creature that [[spoiler:[[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-05-21 attacked Susan and Nanase in France]]]]. It's strongly emphasized by Susan that it wasn't ''really'' a vampire, but it was vampire-like enough that they may as well call it one. While they aren't TheUndead, aberrations do use ImmortalityImmorality. All aberrations are TheSociopath, lacking any sympathy and desire for companionship. The comic eventually makes vampire an official synonym[[note]] or hyponym, it isn't unambiguously clear yet[[/note]] for aberration.
** This trope also applies within ''El Goonish Shive'' itself, as "aberration" is [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2013-09-27 an umbrella term]] for [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2010-05-21 a]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2010-08-11 broad]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2016-01-25 variety]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-08-23 of]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-12-08 different]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-12-11 monsters.]]
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* OurElvesAreDifferent: Elves are what you get when you breed humans and immortals (read: small-g gods) (originally called fairies) together, with all the power that implies. [[spoiler:Raven Raven happens to be one, which explains how he's been teaching since Nanase's mother was in high school]].school. Elves are bound to similar rules as immortals, being disallowed from directly interfering with mortals except when magic is involved and/or innocent lives are in peril. [[spoiler:Raven's Raven's mother is trying to break TheMasquerade partially to get rid of these limitations. She claims she's doing it for him, but it seems like she might just be doing it out of boredom.]]
boredom.
* OurFairiesAreDifferent: [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2331 This comic]] reveals that immortals(mentioned above) used to be referred to as fairies. They're [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shapeshifters]] with [[RealityWarper reality warping]] powers who [[TheFairFolk mostly view mortals as a source of entertainment]] and set up a series of rules to control their interactions with the mortal world. Presumably, It is unknown when they changed the name either before or after the [[{{Disneyfication}} modern]] [[FairyCompanion view]] [[WingedHumanoid of]] [[SparkFairy fairies]] came about.
their name.
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: The creature that[[spoiler:[[http://www.[[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-05-21 attacked Susan and Nanase in France]]]].France]]. It's strongly emphasized by Susan that it wasn't ''really'' a vampire, but it was vampire-like enough that they may as well call it one. While they aren't TheUndead, aberrations do use ImmortalityImmorality. All aberrations are TheSociopath, lacking any sympathy and desire for companionship. The comic eventually makes vampire an official synonym[[note]] or hyponym, it isn't unambiguously clear yet[[/note]] for aberration.
**aberration. This trope also applies within ''El Goonish Shive'' itself, as "aberration" is [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2013-09-27 an umbrella term]] for [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2010-05-21 a]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2010-08-11 broad]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2016-01-25 variety]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-08-23 of]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-12-08 different]] [[http://egscomics.com/comic/2017-12-11 monsters.]]
* OurFairiesAreDifferent: [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2331 This comic]] reveals that immortals
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: The creature that
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* OutsourcingFate: Magic is a SentientCosmicForce that wants to be used, but not by ''everyone''. If too many people figure out how to use magic, a council of seers will be called. Seers are extremely rare, and only seers who have used magic but don't know about the council can be a part of the council; the average is less than one seer per council. The seers then must present their case to magic with firm logic and convince it of what major changes should be made to prevent magic from being mainstream, or to allow it to just change slightly to accommodate the reveal. Either way, every seer in the world (one in seven million, so about a thousand total) will become aware of the changes and the reason behind them. The problem is that magic [[BlueAndOrangeMorality doesn't really understand humanity]], so it's difficult to convince it of anything. [[spoiler:After a few initial missteps, Tedd manages to [[LargeHam dramatically and bombastically]] explain that keeping a masquerade is simply ''not an option''; with modern technology, anyone can share the secrets of magic in a second. There's no way they can keep a thousand seers quiet. Magic agrees, and the reveal becomes permanent]].
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* OutsourcingFate: Magic is a SentientCosmicForce that wants to be used, but not by ''everyone''. If too many people figure out how to use magic, a [[spoiler:a council of seers will be called. Seers are extremely rare, and only seers who have used magic but don't know about the council can be a part of the council; the average is less than one seer per council. The seers then must present their case to magic with firm logic and convince it of what major changes should be made to prevent magic from being mainstream, or to allow it to just change slightly to accommodate the reveal. Either way, every seer in the world (one in seven million, so about a thousand total) total as of the contemporary era the story takes place in) will become aware of the changes and the reason behind them. The problem is that magic [[BlueAndOrangeMorality [[HumansThroughAlienEyes doesn't really understand humanity]], so it's difficult to convince it of anything. [[spoiler:After After a few initial missteps, Tedd manages to [[LargeHam dramatically and bombastically]] explain that keeping a masquerade is simply ''not an option''; with modern technology, anyone can share the secrets of magic in a second. There's no way they can keep a thousand seers quiet. Magic agrees, and the reveal becomes permanent]].
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** Diane to Rhoda. She helps her with teachers, protects her from creepy reporters, and is absolutely ''murderous'' when Rhoda is hurt by the boar ("It should ''burn''. I'm having ''pork'' for lunch"). On top of that, Rhoda is specifically keeping the fact that [[spoiler:she's bisexual and dating a girl]] a secret, exactly like you'd hide that kind of thing from a parent. For the record, her actual parents wouldn't care.
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** Diane to Rhoda. She helps her with teachers, protects her from creepy reporters, and is absolutely ''murderous'' when Rhoda is hurt by the boar ("It should ''burn''. I'm having ''pork'' for lunch"). On top of that, Rhoda is specifically keeping the fact that [[spoiler:she's she's bisexual and dating a girl]] girl a secret, exactly like you'd hide that kind of thing from a parent. For the record, her actual parents wouldn't care.
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* PeopleFallOffChairs: Done twice, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-05-27 here]] and [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-12-09 here.]]
* PercussiveMaintenance: Dan uses this to fix his computer [[http://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook/?date=2005-02-05 in this filler strip.]]
* PercussiveMaintenance: Dan uses this to fix his computer [[http://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook/?date=2005-02-05 in this filler strip.]]
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* PeopleFallOffChairs: Done twice, twice with Noah in shock in response to Grace-related revelations. The first time is [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-05-27 here]] and the second time is [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-12-09 here.]]
]] The second time is especially absurd as he was sitting upright on a sofa and ends up upside down.
* PercussiveMaintenance: Dan usesthis a lot of hammering to fix his computer [[http://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook/?date=2005-02-05 in this filler strip.]]
* PercussiveMaintenance: Dan uses
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* OhNoNotAgain: Upon learning Elliot fought a monster at school, Mr Verres' reaction was:
-->'''Mr Verres''': ''Again!?'' What is it with you kids!?
* OlderThanTheyLook: Raven looks 40-50, but he's old enough to have taught Nanase's mother. [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-06-18 These]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-08-26 comics]] make it clear he's also arguably ''YoungerThanTheyLook'', since he evidently uses an illusion spell to look older (being half-immortal basically means eternal youth).
* OldMaster: Invoked
-->'''Greg:''' For alas it is my greatest of shames as an anime martial arts master that I am not an old man or a pervert!!!
-->'''Mr Verres''': ''Again!?'' What is it with you kids!?
* OlderThanTheyLook: Raven looks 40-50, but he's old enough to have taught Nanase's mother. [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-06-18 These]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-08-26 comics]] make it clear he's also arguably ''YoungerThanTheyLook'', since he evidently uses an illusion spell to look older (being half-immortal basically means eternal youth).
* OldMaster: Invoked
-->'''Greg:''' For alas it is my greatest of shames as an anime martial arts master that I am not an old man or a pervert!!!
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* OhNoNotAgain: Upon learning Elliot fought a monster at school, Mr Verres' reaction was:
is to be upset it happened ''again''.
-->'''Mr Verres''':''Again!?'' What is it with you kids!?
* OlderThanTheyLook: Raven looks 40-50, but he's old enough to have taught Nanase's mother. [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-06-18 These]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-08-26 comics]] make it clear that in his base form the trope is more pronounced as he looks like he'salso arguably ''YoungerThanTheyLook'', since he evidently uses an illusion spell to look older (being in his twenties. Being half-immortal basically means eternal youth).
youth apparently.
* OldMaster:Invoked
-->'''Greg:''' For alasDiscussed. Greg considers it shameful that even though he is my greatest of shames as an anime anime-style martial arts master that I am not master, he is ''not'' an old man or (or a pervert!!!pervert).
-->'''Mr Verres''':
* OlderThanTheyLook: Raven looks 40-50, but he's old enough to have taught Nanase's mother. [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-06-18 These]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-08-26 comics]] make it clear that in his base form the trope is more pronounced as he looks like he's
* OldMaster:
-->'''Greg:''' For alas
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* OneSidedArmWrestling: Nanase vs Man-Susan
* OneSteveLimit: While played straight for the most part, was averted with a one-off joke with two Toms. One's a ManipulativeBastard, the other's reportedly a really NiceGuy.
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2027 Confirmed]]. So nice he has an ENDANGERED PUPPY SENSOR.
** Later, [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2246 Elliot]] {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this trope.
* OneSteveLimit: While played straight for the most part, was averted with a one-off joke with two Toms. One's a ManipulativeBastard, the other's reportedly a really NiceGuy.
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2027 Confirmed]]. So nice he has an ENDANGERED PUPPY SENSOR.
** Later, [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2246 Elliot]] {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this trope.
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* OneSidedArmWrestling: Nanase vs Man-Susan
Man-Susan ends quickly in Nanase's wins.
*OneSteveLimit: OneSteveLimit:
** While played straight for the most part, was averted with a one-off joke with two Toms. One's a ManipulativeBastard, the other's reportedly a really NiceGuy.
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2027 Confirmed]]. So nice he has an ENDANGERED PUPPY SENSOR.
** Later, [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2246 Elliot]] {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this trope.trope, assuming he is the only Elliot Dunkel around but Edward assures him people ''can'' have the same names.
*
** While played straight for the most part, was averted with a one-off joke with two Toms. One's a ManipulativeBastard, the other's reportedly a really NiceGuy.
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** Adrian Raven consistently refers to his mother as "Mother." Right up until [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2018-01-12 Sister 3 Part 22: Apocalypse]], when she [[spoiler: breaks immortal law, and effectively dies]].
-->'''Raven:''' ''MOM!''
* OpaqueLenses: Tedd's glasses.
-->'''Raven:''' ''MOM!''
* OpaqueLenses: Tedd's glasses.
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** Adrian Raven consistently refers to his mother as "Mother." Right up until [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2018-01-12 Sister 3 Part 22: Apocalypse]], when she [[spoiler: breaks immortal law, and effectively dies]].
-->'''Raven:''' ''MOM!''
dies]], and he cries out "MOM!" in anguish.
* OpaqueLenses: Tedd'sglasses.glasses are drawn as not see-through.
-->'''Raven:''' ''MOM!''
* OpaqueLenses: Tedd's
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* NoInfantileAmnesia: Ellen, via her "Second Life."
* NoJustNoReaction: Sarah's reaction [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1608 at the thought that Elliot might be]] [[LikeBrotherAndSister like a sister to her in his female form]].
* NoJustNoReaction: Sarah's reaction [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1608 at the thought that Elliot might be]] [[LikeBrotherAndSister like a sister to her in his female form]].
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* NoInfantileAmnesia: Ellen, via Justified due to magical shenanigans. Ellen is capable of recalling even memories of being a baby from her "Second Life."
* NoJustNoReaction: Sarah's reaction [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1608 at the thought that Elliot might be]] [[LikeBrotherAndSister like a sister to her in his femaleform]].form]] is to be stunned and then reject any notion of it.
* NoJustNoReaction: Sarah's reaction [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1608 at the thought that Elliot might be]] [[LikeBrotherAndSister like a sister to her in his female
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* NoSocialSkills: Grace. She was raised in a lab, and [[InnocentFanserviceGirl it took her a long time to realize why everyone in the main cast was uncomfortable with her nudity]]. Also lacks what should be common knowledge.
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* NoSocialSkills: NoSocialSkills:
** Grace. She was raised in a lab, and [[InnocentFanserviceGirl it took her a long time to realize why everyone in the main cast was uncomfortable with her nudity]]. Also lacks what should be common knowledge.
** Grace. She was raised in a lab, and [[InnocentFanserviceGirl it took her a long time to realize why everyone in the main cast was uncomfortable with her nudity]]. Also lacks what should be common knowledge.
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* NotHelpingYourCase: When Mr. Verres has given permission for Grace to have a birthday party while he's away, on the condition that Elliot supervise (instead of Ellen):
-->'''Mr. Verres:''' The clincher, however, was [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-11-15 that crazed look]] you got on your face when I first suggested the party.\\
'''Ellen:''' That crazed look could have meant ''[[WildTeenParty any number]]'' of things.\\
'''Mr. Verres:''' That doesn't help your case.
-->'''Mr. Verres:''' The clincher, however, was [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-11-15 that crazed look]] you got on your face when I first suggested the party.\\
'''Ellen:''' That crazed look could have meant ''[[WildTeenParty any number]]'' of things.\\
'''Mr. Verres:''' That doesn't help your case.
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* NotHelpingYourCase: When Mr. Verres has given permission for Grace to have a birthday party while he's away, on the condition that Elliot supervise (instead of Ellen):
Ellen). Ellen tries to defend herself when Edward uses her crazed look as evidence, but her excuse that it could mean any number of things fails to sway his opinion.
-->'''Mr. Verres:''' The clincher, however, was [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-11-15 that crazed look]] you got on your face when I first suggested the party.\\\n'''Ellen:''' That crazed look could have meant ''[[WildTeenParty any number]]'' of things.\\\n'''Mr. Verres:''' That doesn't help your case.
-->'''Mr.
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** At the end of Sister 2, [[spoiler:cracks started showing through TheMasquerade, and the main characters' hometown became a hot spot for conspiracy theorists and supernatural enthusiasts]].
** During New and Old Flames, [[spoiler:more cracks showed, and the existence of magic could no longer be denied, though it's ease of accessibility remains unknown]].
** During New and Old Flames, [[spoiler:more cracks showed, and the existence of magic could no longer be denied, though it's ease of accessibility remains unknown]].
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** At the end of Sister 2, [[spoiler:cracks cracks started showing through TheMasquerade, and the main characters' hometown became a hot spot for conspiracy theorists and supernatural enthusiasts]].
enthusiasts.
** During New and Old Flames,[[spoiler:more more cracks showed, and the existence of magic could no longer be denied, though it's ease of accessibility remains unknown]].unknown.
** During New and Old Flames,
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* NotWhatItLooksLike: Inverted- [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-07-14 "This is exactly what it looks like."]]
** Also played with when Nanase's mother walks in on her and Ellen kissing in the hospital: [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2010-01-11 "We're rehearsing a play about CPR!"]]
* ObliviousToLove: Done ''thrice'', played with and played [[StealthPun straight]], with the ''same character''. In an early storyline, Elliot pretended to be unaware that Sarah was in love with him, in a complicated (and failed) attempt to spare her feelings when she found out he had a girlfriend. [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend They work it out]]. He also seems to be genuinely unaware that Justin has feelings for him. And after [[spoiler:breaking up with her]], Elliot finally acknowledges both [[spoiler:his growing attraction to Susan and that he thinks of Sarah as a sister]]. The [[HeroicBSOD latter realization]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-04-05 breaks his brain,]] but he's unaware [[spoiler:Susan is attracted to him as well]].
** Edward Verres acts this way regarding his secretary, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-01-12 Lavender,]] though it may just be that he [[InterspeciesRomance isn't into Uryuoms that way]]. [[spoiler:No longer; they are a couple as of the 2019 Party arc.]]
** This trope may also one of the reasons why Justin never had a boyfriend for the longest time [[spoiler:until he [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2015-01-22 asked Luke out]] at the end of "Squirrel Prophet - Final Battle]]. He seems strangely unaware of [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1913 a certain someone's]] interest in him, despite the chemistry between the two being [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1901 patently obvious to both Sarah and Grace.]] He's just as oblivious about [[spoiler:George]]'s obvious bouts of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy]].
*** [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2014-07-29 Discussed and Justified]] -- because [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2014-07-28 Justin acknowledges that 90 percent of the population is heterosexual]] (despite the comic itself being CastFullOfGay), he feels he can't just assume someone he's interested in is gay, even if the signs are there. Even when Grace convinces him someone might be interested in him, he worries he'll scare the person away if he shows overt interest.
** Also played with when Nanase's mother walks in on her and Ellen kissing in the hospital: [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2010-01-11 "We're rehearsing a play about CPR!"]]
* ObliviousToLove: Done ''thrice'', played with and played [[StealthPun straight]], with the ''same character''. In an early storyline, Elliot pretended to be unaware that Sarah was in love with him, in a complicated (and failed) attempt to spare her feelings when she found out he had a girlfriend. [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend They work it out]]. He also seems to be genuinely unaware that Justin has feelings for him. And after [[spoiler:breaking up with her]], Elliot finally acknowledges both [[spoiler:his growing attraction to Susan and that he thinks of Sarah as a sister]]. The [[HeroicBSOD latter realization]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-04-05 breaks his brain,]] but he's unaware [[spoiler:Susan is attracted to him as well]].
** Edward Verres acts this way regarding his secretary, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-01-12 Lavender,]] though it may just be that he [[InterspeciesRomance isn't into Uryuoms that way]]. [[spoiler:No longer; they are a couple as of the 2019 Party arc.]]
** This trope may also one of the reasons why Justin never had a boyfriend for the longest time [[spoiler:until he [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2015-01-22 asked Luke out]] at the end of "Squirrel Prophet - Final Battle]]. He seems strangely unaware of [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1913 a certain someone's]] interest in him, despite the chemistry between the two being [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1901 patently obvious to both Sarah and Grace.]] He's just as oblivious about [[spoiler:George]]'s obvious bouts of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy]].
*** [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2014-07-29 Discussed and Justified]] -- because [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2014-07-28 Justin acknowledges that 90 percent of the population is heterosexual]] (despite the comic itself being CastFullOfGay), he feels he can't just assume someone he's interested in is gay, even if the signs are there. Even when Grace convinces him someone might be interested in him, he worries he'll scare the person away if he shows overt interest.
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* NotWhatItLooksLike: Inverted- NotWhatItLooksLike:
** Inverted when Lisa is physically close to herself in the context of fanservice, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-07-14 "This is exactly what it looks like."]]
** Also played with when Nanase's mother walks in on her and Ellen kissing in thehospital: hospital. Ellen tries to cover it up by claiming [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2010-01-11 "We're they were rehearsing a play about CPR!"]]
CPR,]] but Nanase refuses to hide their relationship and her mom didn't buy the cover up anyway.
*ObliviousToLove: ObliviousToLove:
** Done ''thrice'', played with and played [[StealthPun straight]], with the ''same character''. In an early storyline, Elliot pretended to be unaware that Sarah was in love with him, in a complicated (and failed) attempt to spare her feelings when she found out he had a girlfriend. [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend They work it out]]. He also seems to be genuinely unaware that Justin has feelings for him. And after [[spoiler:breaking up with her]], Elliot finally acknowledges both [[spoiler:his growing attraction to Susan and that he thinks of Sarah as a sister]]. The [[HeroicBSOD latter realization]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-04-05 breaks his brain,]] but he's unaware [[spoiler:Susan is attracted to him as well]].
** Edward Verresacts this way regarding misses the fact that his secretary, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-01-12 Lavender,]] though it may just be that he [[InterspeciesRomance isn't Lavender]] is into Uryuoms that way]]. him during ''New and Old Flames''. [[spoiler:No longer; they are a couple as of the 2019 Party arc.]]
** This trope may also one of the reasons why Justin never had a boyfriend for the longest time[[spoiler:until until he [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2015-01-22 asked Luke out]] at the end of "Squirrel Prophet - Final Battle]].Battle. He seems strangely unaware of [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1913 a certain someone's]] interest in him, despite the chemistry between the two being [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1901 patently obvious to both Sarah and Grace.]] He's just as oblivious about [[spoiler:George]]'s George's obvious bouts of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy]].
*** ** [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2014-07-29 Discussed and Justified]] -- because [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2014-07-28 Justin acknowledges that 90 percent of the population is heterosexual]] (despite the comic itself being CastFullOfGay), he feels he can't just assume someone he's interested in is gay, even if the signs are there. Even when Grace convinces him someone might be interested in him, he worries he'll scare the person away if he shows overt interest.
** Inverted when Lisa is physically close to herself in the context of fanservice, [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-07-14 "This is exactly what it looks like."]]
** Also played with when Nanase's mother walks in on her and Ellen kissing in the
*
** Done ''thrice'', played with and played [[StealthPun straight]], with the ''same character''. In an early storyline, Elliot pretended to be unaware that Sarah was in love with him, in a complicated (and failed) attempt to spare her feelings when she found out he had a girlfriend. [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend They work it out]]. He also seems to be genuinely unaware that Justin has feelings for him. And after [[spoiler:breaking up with her]], Elliot finally acknowledges both [[spoiler:his growing attraction to Susan and that he thinks of Sarah as a sister]]. The [[HeroicBSOD latter realization]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2013-04-05 breaks his brain,]] but he's unaware [[spoiler:Susan is attracted to him as well]].
** Edward Verres
** This trope may also one of the reasons why Justin never had a boyfriend for the longest time
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* OfCorsetHurts: Never demonstrated, but [[ConversationalTroping conversed]].
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* OfCorsetHurts: Never demonstrated, but [[ConversationalTroping conversed]].conversed]] between background characters when discussing corsets that hurt to wear.
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* [[OfferVoidInNebraska Offer Void In Arizona:]] PlayedForLaughs [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-01-24 in this comic's commentary.]]
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* [[OfferVoidInNebraska Offer Void In Arizona:]] OfferVoidInNebraska: PlayedForLaughs [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-01-24 in this comic's commentary.]]]] Dan says the comic has the "recap seal of approval" and is valid everywhere except Arizona.
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** Nanase and Ellen are an item too. They had some issues, but they worked through them.
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** Nanase and Ellen are an item too. They had some issues, issues in ''Sister II'', but they worked through them.
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** "Oh Hell," [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1113 actually, when Jerry turns around]] and discovers that Susan has gained a ([[NightmareFuel somewhat freaky looking]]) hair-BattleAura after he pointed out that he created the hammer system not to ''prevent'' sexual harassment, but to ''encourage'' it.
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** The first one ever came in [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-01-23 this comic]], when Elliot says it in response to Tedd's sexual comment.
** Raven realizes things can go poorly when his mother, a half crazy all powerful immortal, vows to "destroy the world as it is now known" for the sake of creating a world where he's accepted. And what scares Raven is that he knows a) she's serious and b) she most definitely has the power and knowledge to do such a thing.
** "Oh Hell," [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1113 actually, when Jerry turns around]] and discovers that Susan has gained a([[NightmareFuel ( somewhat freaky looking]]) looking) hair-BattleAura after he pointed out that he created the hammer system not to ''prevent'' sexual harassment, inappropriate comments, but to ''encourage'' it.
** Raven realizes things can go poorly when his mother, a half crazy all powerful immortal, vows to "destroy the world as it is now known" for the sake of creating a world where he's accepted. And what scares Raven is that he knows a) she's serious and b) she most definitely has the power and knowledge to do such a thing.
** "Oh Hell," [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1113 actually, when Jerry turns around]] and discovers that Susan has gained a
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** The first one ever came in [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-01-23 this comic]]. Of course, it's more of Elliot saying it in sympathy to Tedd.
** Resident BadassTeacher Raven gets one [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-01-31 here.]]
*** He gets one even earlier when his mother, a half crazy all powerful immortal, vows to "destroy the world as it is now known" for the sake of creating a world where he's accepted. And what scares Raven is that he knows a) she's serious and b) she most definitely has the power and knowledge to do such a thing.
** Resident BadassTeacher Raven gets one [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-01-31 here.]]
*** He gets one even earlier when his mother, a half crazy all powerful immortal, vows to "destroy the world as it is now known" for the sake of creating a world where he's accepted. And what scares Raven is that he knows a) she's serious and b) she most definitely has the power and knowledge to do such a thing.
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** The first Raven gets a silent one ever came in [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-01-23 this comic]]. Of course, it's more of Elliot saying it in sympathy to Tedd.
** Resident BadassTeacher Raven gets one [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-01-31 here.]]
*** He gets one even earlierhere]] when his mother, a half crazy all powerful immortal, vows to "destroy he realizes the world as it is now known" for the sake of creating a world where he's accepted. And what scares Raven is that he knows a) she's serious boar wants to be big and b) she most definitely has the power and knowledge to do such a thing.Grace just told it they could make it small again.
** Resident BadassTeacher Raven gets one [[http://www.egscomics.
*** He gets one even earlier
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** [[RunningGag Elliot]]'s anthropomorphic representations of his brain when Super Elliot reminds them that [[spoiler:[[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1743 Susan and Sarah are watching the whole scene that Catalina is doing]].]]
** Tom gets a couple when [[spoiler:Susan realizes that he was trying to manipulate her.]]
** Tom gets a couple when [[spoiler:Susan realizes that he was trying to manipulate her.]]
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** [[RunningGag Elliot]]'s anthropomorphic representations of his brain when Super Elliot reminds them that [[spoiler:[[http://www.[[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1743 Susan and Sarah are watching the whole scene that Catalina is doing]].]]
doing]].
** Tom gets a couple when[[spoiler:Susan Susan realizes that he was trying to manipulate her.]]
** Tom gets a couple when
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*** Later both Tedd and Arthur get [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2463 the look]] when they learn [[spoiler:exactly what changes magic is making as part of it's reveal.]]
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* NeverHeardThatOneBefore: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-09-02 It's not a close encounter of the fifth kind.]]
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* NeverHeardThatOneBefore: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-09-02 It's not William and Gillian are annoyed to hear Elliot say he's having a close fifth kind encounter when he meet them.]] He quickly realizes that was rude of the fifth kind.]]him.
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* NoBisexuals: The strip has a rather unusual take on sexual attraction and gender identity. In this comic, being subject to a GenderBender causes one to gain heterosexual tendencies appropriate to the gender being changed into (basically, straight people become bisexual while homosexuals see no real change in which gender they're attracted to), so El Goonish Shive is an aversion of this, as much of the cast have been bi, albeit only temporarily. Ellen (a magical duplicate of Elliot permanently turned into a girl) is also bisexual but has decided that she isn't able to deal with dating men, largely because she realizes her attraction to guys is a purely artificial construct forced onto her by SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology. She now identifies as a homoromantic bisexual.
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* NoBisexuals: NoBisexuals:
** The strip has a rather unusual take on sexual attraction and gender identity. In this comic, being subject to a GenderBender causes one to gain heterosexual tendencies appropriate to the gender being changed into (basically, straight people become bisexual while homosexuals see no real change in which gender they're attracted to), so El Goonish Shive is an aversion of this, as much of the cast have been bi, albeit only temporarily. Ellen (a magical duplicate of Elliot permanently turned into a girl) is also bisexual but has decided that she isn't able to deal with dating men, largely because she realizes her attraction to guys is a purely artificial construct forced onto her by SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology. She now identifies as a homoromantic bisexual.
** The strip has a rather unusual take on sexual attraction and gender identity. In this comic, being subject to a GenderBender causes one to gain heterosexual tendencies appropriate to the gender being changed into (basically, straight people become bisexual while homosexuals see no real change in which gender they're attracted to), so El Goonish Shive is an aversion of this, as much of the cast have been bi, albeit only temporarily. Ellen (a magical duplicate of Elliot permanently turned into a girl) is also bisexual but has decided that she isn't able to deal with dating men, largely because she realizes her attraction to guys is a purely artificial construct forced onto her by SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology. She now identifies as a homoromantic bisexual.
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* NoodleImplements: Ninjas, japanese bath houses, and ''hamsters''. [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-10-02 Lots of hamsters.]]
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* NoodleImplements: Ninjas, japanese bath houses, and ''hamsters''. Two fold in a [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-10-02 filler comic]].
** Minion explains that Dan ''was'' going to start a new storyline that had "ninjas, japanese bath houses, and ''hamsters''. Lots and lots of hamsters.]]" No other details are ever given.
** Minion also explains that the reason why Dan is taking a break instead is because during the party, things happened. Police got involved and based on the police report, magic and science were heavily abused.
** Minion explains that Dan ''was'' going to start a new storyline that had "ninjas, japanese bath houses, and ''hamsters''. Lots and lots of hamsters.
** Minion also explains that the reason why Dan is taking a break instead is because during the party, things happened. Police got involved and based on the police report, magic and science were heavily abused.
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** Susan and Nanase's trip to [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-05-19 France]] and that trip's connection to the [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2005-02-07 French speaking]] immortals were this for five years until explained in May 2010.
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** Susan and Nanase's trip to [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-05-19 France]] and that trip's connection to the [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2005-02-07 French speaking]] immortals were this went without any explanation for five years until explained in May 2010.
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** And another, when Tedd is [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1561 talking to his father]] about magic.
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** And another, when Tedd is [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1561 talking to his father]] about magic.magic, he realizes that one time, Edward faked a seizure to avoid explaining something.
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Cleaning up examples, which involves removing speculation, removing unnecessary spoilers, editing for clarity, etc. Also dealing with examples that are just weblinks per Weblinks Are Not Examples.
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* MissingMom: Where exactly Tedd's mom is, why she's not around, and what the nature of their relationship is continues to be one of the strip's biggest mysteries.
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* MissingMom: Where exactly Tedd's mom is, why she's not around, and what Noriko isn't present in his life following the nature of their relationship is continues to be one of the strip's biggest mysteries.divorce from his dad Edward. Tedd hasn't seen her since then.
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** And let's not forget Jeremy, Tedd's housecat with hedgehog spines.
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** And let's not forget Jeremy, Tedd's the Verres' household's pet, is a housecat with hedgehog spines.
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** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-10-07 Oh dear god]]. What started out as an arc based on [[GenkiGirl Grace]] and [[MadScientist Tedd]] going on a double date with Ellen and Nanase to keep Tedd's mind off of science ended up by [[spoiler:showing that Tedd has a version of [[EvilCounterpart Lord Tedd's]] [[RedRightHand mechanical arm]].]]
--->[[spoiler:'''Tedd:''' Then the next time someone has the balls to mess with us, we will stand together… and we will make them '''[[BewareTheNiceOnes regret it]].''']]
** It gets better: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-10-10 The next comic]] has Sarah and Susan… playing video games at Sarah's house. Ow, my metaphorical neck.
** Heck, there's a comic ''titled'' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-11-09 "The Most Emotionally Unbalanced Comic EVER"]]
--->[[spoiler:'''Tedd:''' Then the next time someone has the balls to mess with us, we will stand together… and we will make them '''[[BewareTheNiceOnes regret it]].''']]
** It gets better: [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-10-10 The next comic]] has Sarah and Susan… playing video games at Sarah's house. Ow, my metaphorical neck.
** Heck, there's a comic ''titled'' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-11-09 "The Most Emotionally Unbalanced Comic EVER"]]
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** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-10-07 Oh dear god]]. What started out as an arc based on [[GenkiGirl Grace]] and [[MadScientist Tedd]] going on a double date with Ellen and Nanase to keep Tedd's mind off of science ended up by [[spoiler:showing that Tedd has a version of [[EvilCounterpart Lord Tedd's]] [[RedRightHand mechanical arm]].]]
--->[[spoiler:'''Tedd:''' Then the next time someone has the balls to mess with us, we will stand together… and we will make them '''[[BewareTheNiceOnes regret it]].''']]
** It gets better:]] And ''then'', [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-10-10 The the next comic]] has Sarah and Susan… playing video games at Sarah's house. Ow, my metaphorical neck.
** Heck, there's a comic ''titled'' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-11-09 "The Most Emotionally Unbalanced ComicEVER"]]EVER"]]. What happened there is that Grace is angsting over her violent loss of control against Damien only for Ellen to interrupt that by glomping her.
--->[[spoiler:'''Tedd:''' Then the next time someone has the balls to mess with us, we will stand together… and we will make them '''[[BewareTheNiceOnes regret it]].''']]
** It gets better:
** Heck, there's a comic ''titled'' [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-11-09 "The Most Emotionally Unbalanced Comic
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** [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2017-11-06 In this comic]] Elliot is on a simple movie date with [[spoiler:Ashley]] and just 2 comics later [[spoiler:it is revaled that Ellen is possesed by Sirleck and Elliot gets possesed by Magus]]
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** [[https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2017-11-06 In this comic]] Elliot is on a simple movie date with [[spoiler:Ashley]] and just 2 comics later [[spoiler:it is revaled revealed that Ellen is possesed by Sirleck and Elliot gets possesed by Magus]]Magus]].
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* MoonLandingHoax: The moon landing was emphatically not faked in this setting (the government may be covering up the existence of magic and aliens, but faking a moon landing is just silly). However, the comic has made a few jokes about it.
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* MoonLandingHoax: The moon landing was emphatically not faked in this setting (the government may be covering up the existence of magic and aliens, but faking a moon landing is just silly). However, the comic has made a few jokes about it.it:
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* MotorMouth: Heidi, [[spoiler:AKA Elliot's party girl alter ego,]] as seen [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-06-06 here.]]
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* MotorMouth: Heidi, [[spoiler:AKA \AKA Elliot's party girl alter ego,]] ego, is perfectly capable of having long and fast-paced speech as seen [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-06-06 here.]]
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** Dr. Physics Professor is self explanatory.
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** Dr. Physics Professor is self explanatory.a physics professor at a university.
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** Dr. Germahn and Amanda during the Q&A segments, Tedd when he explains the TF/TG gun.
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** Dr. Germahn and Amanda during the Q&A segments, when they explain plot points or magic mechanics.
** Tedd when he explains the TF/TG gun.
** Tedd when he explains the TF/TG gun.
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** Jerry the Immortal is also one of these.
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** Jerry the Immortal is also one when he explains the origins of these.the hammers.
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* MuggingTheMonster:
** After Sarah takes Grace out to buy clothes, the two of them are set upon by a mugger. This is how we are [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-03-10 introduced to her shapeshifting powers.]]
** And her telekinesis as well, although it's not confirmed until [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-11-28 this strip.]]
* MultiGenderedOutfit: In order to help Susan protest the new uniform dress code, Tedd (already androgynous [[spoiler: who later realizes he is gender fluid]]) comes to school in a uniform with the male pants ''and'' the female vest on, challenging why the vest is coded feminine in the first place.
** After Sarah takes Grace out to buy clothes, the two of them are set upon by a mugger. This is how we are [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-03-10 introduced to her shapeshifting powers.]]
** And her telekinesis as well, although it's not confirmed until [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-11-28 this strip.]]
* MultiGenderedOutfit: In order to help Susan protest the new uniform dress code, Tedd (already androgynous [[spoiler: who later realizes he is gender fluid]]) comes to school in a uniform with the male pants ''and'' the female vest on, challenging why the vest is coded feminine in the first place.
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* MuggingTheMonster:
**MuggingTheMonster: After Sarah takes Grace out to buy clothes, the two of them are set upon by a mugger. This is how we are [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-03-10 introduced to her Grace's shapeshifting powers.]]
**]] And her telekinesis as well, although it's not confirmed until [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2002-11-28 this strip.]]
* MultiGenderedOutfit: In order to help Susan protest the new uniform dress code, Tedd (already androgynous[[spoiler: and who later realizes he is gender fluid]]) fluid) comes to school in a uniform with the male pants ''and'' the female vest on, challenging why the vest is coded feminine in the first place.
**
**
* MultiGenderedOutfit: In order to help Susan protest the new uniform dress code, Tedd (already androgynous
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** How Elliot and Ellen's parents react to all the weirdness around them.
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** How Elliot Elliot's and Ellen's parents react to take all the weirdness around them.them in stride, to the point that Edward, a government spook, is flabbergasted they are calm, even indifferent, to some of Elliot's wilder antics.
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** Thanks to Grace's imagination, we have the [[TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering Magickal Gatherings]] duel between Justin and Tensaided, starting [[http://www.elgoonishshive.com/?date=2012-09-06 here.]]
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** Thanks to Grace's imagination, we have the [[TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering Magickal Gatherings]] duel between Justin and Tensaided, Tensaided is made to look like a wizards duel instead of a mundane card duel, starting [[http://www.elgoonishshive.com/?date=2012-09-06 here.]]
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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: [[spoiler:Pandora Chaos Raven]]. [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-11-13 "Refer to me as one or as all. I WILL live up to the name."]]
** Their first attempt at a name was meant to invoke this trope. [[EpicFail It was "Box".]]
* NecessarilyEvil: Abraham.
* NegativeContinuity: Some of the EGS:NP storylines. Like this [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/?date=2008-09-19 one.]]
* {{Nepotism}}: The title of the arc where Justin tries to get Grace a job at the comic book store, referencing the fact that his uncle owns the place.
** Their first attempt at a name was meant to invoke this trope. [[EpicFail It was "Box".]]
* NecessarilyEvil: Abraham.
* NegativeContinuity: Some of the EGS:NP storylines. Like this [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/?date=2008-09-19 one.]]
* {{Nepotism}}: The title of the arc where Justin tries to get Grace a job at the comic book store, referencing the fact that his uncle owns the place.
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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: [[spoiler:Pandora Pandora Chaos Raven]].Raven is generally not considered a friendly name, especially the Chaos part. [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-11-13 "Refer to me as one or as all. I WILL live up to the name."]]
**"]] Their first attempt at a name was meant to invoke this trope. [[EpicFail It was "Box".]]
"Box",]] and no one caught the reference to Pandora's Box.
* NecessarilyEvil:Abraham.
Abraham, due to his oath, considers himself bounded to murdering Ellen in spite of her lack of guilt in any wrong-doing and her not actually being a danger to the people around her. When given an out, he leaps at it to avoid having to commit murder.
* NegativeContinuity: Some of the EGS:NPstorylines.storylines are explicitly not canon. Like this [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/?date=2008-09-19 one.]]
* {{Nepotism}}: The title of the arc where Justin tries to get Grace a job at the comic book store, referencing the fact that his uncle owns theplace.place and the only reason Grace even got an interview with him is because her friend Justin set it up.
**
* NecessarilyEvil:
* NegativeContinuity: Some of the EGS:NP
* {{Nepotism}}: The title of the arc where Justin tries to get Grace a job at the comic book store, referencing the fact that his uncle owns the
