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*PalmBloodletting: Since he's honor bound to only draw his sword with the intent of having it taste blood, when he brings it out to deter others he get's around this obligation by slicing his palm so he doesn't have to harm anyone.
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* * TragicBigot: G'Kar hates the Centauri and wishes for their extermination for their conquest of his planet and enslavement of his people.
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* AssInAmbassador: Especially in the first season, where he spends ''almost'' the entire time acting like a jackass and causing problems for the station either because of his hatred of the Centauri, or just to be a dick. His out-of-(this)-character moments in season one become, in hindsight, hints at his ''true'' character, when he's not being consumed by his hatred of the Centauri and jockeying desperately for more power and territory for his people so they can never be enslaved again.
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* AssInAmbassador: Especially in the first season, where he spends ''almost'' the entire time acting like a jackass and causing problems for the station either because of his hatred of the Centauri, or just to be a dick. His out-of-(this)-character moments in season one become, in hindsight, hints at his ''true'' character, when he's not being consumed by his hatred of the Centauri and jockeying desperately for more power and territory for his people so they can never be enslaved again.again
* BigBadWannabe: He is the closest thing the show has to a main villain in the early episodes, and he is a laughably ineffective one at that. As the show gradually humanizes him, G'Kar is eclipsed as a threat by the Shadows, something he is aware of as he even tries to warn everyone about the threat of the Shadows. [[spoiler: It turns out that his plan for war with the Centauri was doomed from the start, as the Centauri are far too powerful for the Narns to have any chance of defeating, even without the involvement of the Shadows. The Narns being crushed by the Centauri forces G'Kar to turn to Babylon 5 for sanctuary, and he gradually becomes an ally.]]
* BigBadWannabe: He is the closest thing the show has to a main villain in the early episodes, and he is a laughably ineffective one at that. As the show gradually humanizes him, G'Kar is eclipsed as a threat by the Shadows, something he is aware of as he even tries to warn everyone about the threat of the Shadows. [[spoiler: It turns out that his plan for war with the Centauri was doomed from the start, as the Centauri are far too powerful for the Narns to have any chance of defeating, even without the involvement of the Shadows. The Narns being crushed by the Centauri forces G'Kar to turn to Babylon 5 for sanctuary, and he gradually becomes an ally.]]
* EveryoneHasStandards: G'Kar is introduced as an antagonist who seeks expansion for his people, but when he learns about the Shadows returning, he realizes they are a far greater threat and tries to warn the Babylon 5 Security Council to unite them against what he recognizes as the true threat.
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* AndThenWhat: When asked the infamous DealWithTheDevil question from Morden, G'Kar describes his wish for the painful, vengeful extermination of the Centauri and their homeworld. Morden then asks this question almost verbatim, and G'Kar - surprised by the follow up - seems to calm down and doesn't have an answer, save for wishing his people to be generally safe. Morden seems to be disappointed with this and passes him over.
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* AndThenWhat?: When asked the infamous DealWithTheDevil question from Morden, G'Kar describes his wish for the painful, vengeful extermination of the Centauri and their homeworld. Morden then asks this question almost verbatim, and G'Kar - surprised by the question - doesn't have an answer, save for wishing his people to be generally safe. Morden seems to be disappointed with this and passes him over.
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* AndThenWhat?: When asked the infamous DealWithTheDevil question from Morden, G'Kar describes his wish for the painful, vengeful extermination of the Centauri and their homeworld. Morden then asks this question almost verbatim, and G'Kar - surprised by the question - doesn't have an answer, save for wishing his people to be generally safe. Morden seems to be disappointed with this and passes him over.
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* SuperStrength: While as noted their overall military power is a lot less than they thought they do tend to have the advantage in hand to hand combat due to superior physical strength. This can be seen when a distraught G'Kar, on his way to attack Londo, is seen tossing aside human security like bowling pins and then in a later episode while high on Dust he is able to casually lift Vir one handed. In that same episode Londo admits that had G'Kar decided to kill him and Vir they would have stood no chance of stopping him.
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* PaperTiger: What they ultimately turn out to be in the early seasons -- at the very start of the show, the Narns ''seem'' ascendant and a rising power (and are portrayed fairly villanously as a result), and the first proper episode is even their outright conquest of a Centauri agri-colony. Once the proper war between the Narn and Centauri starts in season 2, however, it becomes clear that the Narn had ''badly'' overestimated their own strength (which mirrors Earth's own increasing overconfidence about possibly fighting the Minbari again) and that their ascendency is actually largely due to the morality, restraint and desire to repent for past crimes of people like Emperor Turhan and Prime Minister Malachai along with a general malaise on the part of Centauri vulture; even in parts of the conflict where the Shadows ''don't'' help the Centauri, we discover that the Narn go one-for-''seven'' in the early battles of the war, and by S2 E20, G'Sten admits outright that if fought conventionally, the war is unwinnable, as in "the Centauri will be able to re-conquer everything" unwinnable. With Refa's faction driving the Centauri, it becomes clear the Narn never had any hope. Coming to terms with this drives a good deal of G'Kar's later development in particular.
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* PaperTiger: What they ultimately turn out to be in the early seasons -- at the very start of the show, the Narns ''seem'' ascendant and a rising power (and are portrayed fairly villanously as a result), and the first proper episode is even their outright conquest of a Centauri agri-colony. Once the proper war between the Narn and Centauri starts in season 2, however, it becomes clear that the Narn had ''badly'' overestimated their own strength (which mirrors Earth's own increasing overconfidence about possibly fighting the Minbari again) and that their ascendency is actually largely due to the morality, restraint and desire to repent for past crimes of people like Emperor Turhan and Prime Minister Malachai along with a general malaise on the part of Centauri vulture; culture; even in parts of the conflict where the Shadows ''don't'' help the Centauri, we discover that the Narn go one-for-''seven'' in the early battles of the war, and by S2 E20, G'Sten admits outright that if fought conventionally, the war is unwinnable, as in "the Centauri will be able to re-conquer everything" unwinnable. With Refa's faction driving the Centauri, it becomes clear the Narn never had any hope. Coming to terms with this drives a good deal of G'Kar's later development in particular.
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* PaperTiger: What they ultimately turn out to be in the early seasons -- at the very start of the show, the Narns ''seem'' ascendant and a rising power (and are portrayed fairly villanously as a result), and the first proper episode is even their outright conquest of a Centauri agri-colony. Once the proper war between the Narn and Centauri starts in season 2, however, it becomes clear that the Narn had ''badly'' overestimated their own strength (which mirrors Earth's own increasing overconfidence about possibly fighting the Minbari again) and that their ascendency is actually largely due to the morality, restraint and desire to repent for past crimes of people like Emperor Turhan and Prime Minister Malachai; Malachai along with a general malaise on the part of Centauri vulture; even in parts of the conflict where the Shadows ''don't'' help the Centauri, we discover that the Narn go one-for-''seven'' in the early battles of the war, and by S2 E20, G'Sten admits outright that if fought conventionally, the war is unwinnable, as in "the Centauri will be able to re-conquer everything" unwinnable. With Refa's faction driving the Centauri, it becomes clear the Narn never had any hope. Coming to terms with this drives a good deal of G'Kar's later development in particular.
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G'Kar's second diplomatic attaché and right-hand woman. She is believed to be dead following the orbital bombardment of Narn, but is eventually found to be alone and a captive of the Centauri.
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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Abandons Na'Far to join G'Kar after having a HeelRealization about how collaborating with the Centauri will only cause mornesufferimg.
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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Abandons Na'Far to join G'Kar after having a HeelRealization about how collaborating with the Centauri will only cause mornesufferimg.more suffering.
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* AntiVillain: At the beginning of the series. He's a warmonger obsessed with vengeance in the Centauri, but he proves to be rather noble and a lot of it is based off of his trauma and PTAD from the Centauri occupation.
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* EasilyForgiven: Subverted. After he TookALevelInKindness by the end of Season 1 and he's shifted to more altruistic aims, he's hampered by the fact that no one has forgotten his earlier hawkish and {{Jerkass}} behavior.
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* ChuckCunninghamSyndrome: Subverted. While she quietly disappeared from the series early in season 2, she reappeared in a season 5 episode. And before that, a season 3 episode established what had happened to her.
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* ChuckCunninghamSyndrome: Subverted. While she quietly disappeared from the series early in season 2, she reappeared in a season 5 episode. And before that, a season 3 episode established what had happened to her.
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* LesCollaborateurs: Briefly became the bodyguard of Centauri collaborator Na'Far.Na'Far, only to turn on him and defect to the Narn Resistance.
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