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{{macroscopic}}: Editor at 174.121.24.57 has reverted all the {{natter}}swabbing I did (and in fact all my edits) at TheHumanCentipede. Seriously? That shit is gross, I didn't have to ''read'' that page, much less clean it up.
FastEddie: Edit block installed for 174.121.24.57.
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ExplodingFrogs: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=66.229.247.108 This guy]] keeps spamming various badly formatted, poorly justified, redundant, and sparsely detailed profiles (mostly One Piece characters, but a few others as well) to the TropePantheons section. (And to add insult to injury, he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of new entries going at the bottom of the page.) He's been asked to stop numerous times via edit reasons, but over the course of several months shows no sign of doing so. Help, please?
FastEddie: Edit block installed for 66.229.247.108.
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SomeNewGuy: User sovvil2008@yahoo.co.uk 78.147.229.232 keeps removing valid entries from the ChaoticEvil and ChaoticNeutral pages to fit his skewed standards. He also, several months ago, vandalized the LawfulEvil page by removing the valid "type 1, type 2" distinction, again to suit his standards. Help?
FastEddie: Edit block installed for 78.147.229.232.
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PkMario: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Mander This guy]] is vandalizing certain pages.
FastEddie: IP block installed.
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{{Mullon}}: Why is the HeterosexualLifePartners page wider than any other page?
{{blackcat}}: This is a total guess but I bet it is because of the size of the picture. I don't know how to fix it either.
{{Micah}}: It was the picture--it's because the markup said [=[[quoteright:237:...]]=], but the picture is 365 pixels wide, so it should say [=[[quoteright:365:...]]=]. I fixed it...
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DickRichardson - Just wondering, would it be possible to install a "revert" button for edits? Hell of a lot easier to paste/cut in the event of a vandalism aftermath.
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EtherealMutation: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=66.213.89.3 This guy]] keeps writing hostile attacks at some random fanfiction writer/artist on various pages. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=70.244.41.85 This guy]] deletes them. I don't know the details of or care about this feud, so I'll leave it up to administrator fiat if one or both gets blocked.
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ImpaledJanus: I'm having issues with [[It/{{ptitlem1zp2cg0}} Cecità Al Genere]]. However I write it, the word "Al" is not capitalized. Is there a way to fix this?
FastEddie: It's fixed now.
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CrypticMirror: Troper {{Anaheyla}} has been removing StatlerAndWaldorf examples whenever he comes across them and has stated on the page history.
-->"The only reason I haven't gone through all of the listed pages and removed them is because I'm too lazy to remove them from any page other than the ones I actually visit."
I don't want to get into an edit war over this, I've already replaced them and had them removed once. Can anything be done?
FastEddie: Some example pages?
CrypticMirror:
* OutOfOrder
* EvilOverlord
* Series/DoctorWho
On the StatlerAndWaldorf index's page history his full comment on why he intends to do it is:
-->"I keep deleting their stuff because they serve no purpose and seem to exist only to make really really retarded jokes about Tv Tropes completely unrelated to the subject at hand. The only reason I haven't gone through all of the listed pages and removed them is because I'm too lazy to remove them from any page other than the ones I actually visit. :P "
Which kinda misses the point of JustForFun stuff. I note that on his contributer page he self describes as a JerkAss...
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PressXToJason, what? I think someone based that off of a line from the LoveItOrHateIt page. It's barebones, and has no apparent YKTTW.
LooneyToons: Send it to the CutList, then.
I'm unregistered.
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{{Triassicranger}}: Motion to block IP address 70.92.173.24 for using the DethroningMomentOfSuck DethroningMoment/WebOriginal page to complain about an entire work. He has been informed repeatedly what he is doing wrong and refuses to listen.
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[=Klaudandus=]: We've been having some issue over at the TransformersAllHailMegatron page. 220.233.23.38 is close to an editing war over a specific trope (VillainSue) and has repeatedly ignored the discussion page where that point has been already discussed. Please advice.
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{{Chabal 2}} Not sure if this is where one reports this, but there are two TroperTales for IDidntMeanToTurnYouOn (one's the punctuated title): [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroperTales/IDidntMeanToTurnYouOn here]] and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroperTales/Ptitlez52cxo3o here]]. The TroperTales button from the main page leads to the punctuated page.
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AnonymousCoward: Since I don't have a log-in (long story short, college ISP hates me and TV Tropes and for some reason I haven't been noticed for using proxies yet, and proxies have a distinct hatred for GettingKnown) and I can't take this to the forums, someone vandalized the SchoolDays page, deleting legit tropes without any reason.
This is why I wish we had a "Revert Edit" option like Wikia.
FastEddie: repaired, I think. And IP banned.
PaulA: Your ISP also hates é, apparently.
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UnknownTroper: Wait, are tropes organised like this?
* ASimplePlan
* AbnormalAmmo
* LargeHam
* TheKirk
* TheissTitillationTheory
or like this, with the trope titles organised without definite or indefinite articles? I always assumed the latter. (Note: not referring to works titles, only trope examples)
* AbnormalAmmo
* TheKirk
* LargeHam
* ASimplePlan
* TheissTitillationTheory
FastEddie: Right. The second one.
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[[KoR K.o.R]]: None of my images are showing up in the Images List, either by filename or by my handle. They're still on the server but not visible to the software apparently. This is troubling as I can't remember one of the filenames which I want to add to a page.
FastEddie: Huh. Seems to be working for everyone else. When did you upload it?
K.o.R: Oh yonks ago (certainly before some of the new shiny tech was added here). I checked by searching for Citizen's pictures and only got about a dozen when I know there's close to 100 from him/her.
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LooneyToons: I just noticed -- fanfic recommendations no longer have discussion pages? Is this intentional/correct? (If so, we need to change all the pages that say to take natter and debate to the page's discussion page.)
CrypticMirror: Pages are still there for me, the discussion icon is one line up from the other icons though. What browser are you using? I'm on the latest firefox.
LooneyToons: I'm on [=SeaMonkey=] 2.0.4. And I'm going back and looking -- and I'm seeing discussion icons on ''some'' pages, but not all. For instance, for me at least, FanficRecs/NeonGenesisEvangelion has one, but FanficRecs/BuffyTheVampireSlayer ''doesn't.'' Of the pages in my watchlist, Buffy, FanficRecs/SuzumiyaHaruhi, FanficRecs/MegaCrossover, FanficRecs/SailorMoon, FanficRecs/MahouSenseiNegima, FanficRecs/SakuraTaisen, FanficRecs/{{Mai-HiME}}, FanficRecs/AllPurposeCulturalCatGirlNukuNuku, FanficRecs/RevolutionaryGirlUtena, and FanficRecs/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld all are missing the icon (although they have the discuss button, I just realized). <spends a couple minutes futzing about> Ah, I got it! The speech bubble icon only displays if there is a "new style" discussion in place for the page. Otherwise you need to press the blue text button to create one.
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LooneyToons: A note to FastEddie -- TropeEntryTemplate, which is no longer editable, needs to have the line
->The subtropes should use this trope's name as the Index Page Wiki Word in their navigation bar.
modified to fit the new indexing scheme. Also, the paragraph
->In a few rare cases, one trope page holds two different entries, usually because the trope name is the same as a program name. In this case they are handled as if they were dictionary entries, with a '''boldface''' "1." starting the first, "2." starting the second, and so on, with their own navigation bars and a horizontal rule between the separate entries. See WeirdScience for an example.
probably needs to go -- WeirdScience isn't split any more, and I think recent reorganizations to the wiki have completely obviated the need for this kind of advice.
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{{Madrugada}}: MrCleaverhook (86.136.49.50) vandalizing TroperTales pages. Blanked TroperTales/ReallyGetsAround; added a TakeThat to the top of TroperTales/NobleDemon and removed entries; deleted entries from TroperTales/BadassBookworm; Added TakeThat to the start of TroperTales/OmnicidalManiac. I know the contents of those pages are cruft anyway, but it's still vandalism.
SomeSortOfTroper: Diagnosis: "Somebody on the internet isn't cool!" rage, leading to JerkAss behaviour. It may be meaningless but it ain't functionless and if somebody acts this way in response to not getting what something is about, not somebody we want. Suggested treatment: ban. Do you concur, doctor?
FastEddie: IP block installed.
LooneyToons: It looks like he might be back as "NotSuperman 72.205.253.126".
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{{Ultimatum}} : I was doing some searching about and I clicked on a link to a particular discussion page and ' Sorry, this discussion is private' came up, I've never had this before and I was wondering why this is?
{{Madrugada}}: It would help if you'd identify the page.
{{Ultimatum}} http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=9crt9khnxvo50sy9bp8arurs&page=1
FastEddie: That's on the mod board.
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UnknownTroper: BiasSteamroller examples. I'm sorry, but I don't really see the point.
{{Madrugada}}: What about them?
UnknownTroper: What about them is that it's primarily thinly-veiled {{Complaining}}. I can see how the page is kept, but I don't understand why examples can go.
{{Madrugada}} They've been cleaned up. Examples on BiasSteamroller should be cases where the critic has essentially said "I don't like this [genre, convention, style, etc.] and therefore I will slam any work that uses it, simply ''because'' the work uses it."
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{{Chabal 2}}: The icon for Synopsis is the same as Trivia, is that normal? Also, how do you fix images thzt don't show up (something involving typing static)?
{{Madrugada}}: For the images that don't show up, you need to change the url of the image from [=http://tvtropes...=] to [=http://static.tvtropes...=]
{{Chabal 2}}: Done, thanks.
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josh6243: should I remove this from Horrible.{{Anime}} or not?
->[=*A certain Pokemon manga was canceled for being to explicit for national standards in a nation where you can buy porn in vending machines. The fact that it was a sucky attempt to cash in on a popular fad was just icing on the cake. More details. [[http://www.pokemonsux.com/manga.shtml here]].=]
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{{Chabal 2}}: I wanted to make a page for the new RobinHood movie, but Film/RobinHood redirects to the Disney version. Since Disney/RobinHood also links to it, how/can I go about getting the Film/RobinHood to refer to the 2010 film?
MasoTey: Disney/RobinHood and Film/RobinHood seem to be seperate pages, rather than one being a redirect to the other, meaning Film/RobinHood is redundant anyway and could be used for the new movie. Of course some links would have to be changed, plus there's a risk of losing information if the pages aren't identical, though they seem pretty close. Alternately, it could go under Robin Hood 2010.
{{Madrugada}}: the [=Film/RobinHood=] page should simply be a list of the various films; each one should have its own page in the Film/ namespace, differentiated somehow (by Lead actor would be my suggestion , so the latest one would be [=~RobinHood-Crowe~=].)
MrDeath: Then again, how many of the films are just ''called'' "RobinHood" without a subtitle or other title? (Also, you don't need to ptitle {{RobinHood-Crowe}}.)
PaulA: It looks like {{Disney.RobinHood}} was cloned from {{Film.RobinHood}} only a couple of days ago, and there have been no changes to {{Film.RobinHood}} since then that haven't also been made to {{Disney.RobinHood}}.
On the title question: IMDB lists eight films with the exact title ''Robin Hood'': the Crowe, the Fairbanks, the Disney (which is an argument against using the lead actor for disambiguation -- who would see {{RobinHood-Bedford}} and think "Ah, the Disney version"?), two 1910s silent films, two short cartoons, and a 1998 short film I've never heard of. (The Flynn is ''Film/{{The Adventures of Robin Hood}}''.) Also four TV movies, if those count: the Bergin, a RichLittle-plays-everybody, an animated, and a Finnish (both "made in Finland" and "in Finnish").
MasoTey: There remains the possibility of treating the films sequentially on a single page (excluding those with slightly different titles, as well as the Disney, which is nicely tucked away in its own namespace). But if each film is to have its own page, disambiguated in the title, surely years are the way to go. Years are completely objective (as is actor-disambiguation in ''this'' case -- but not in all cases!); they are all about equally memorable (sidestepping the {{Robin Hood-Bedford}} problem); and they're already being used on this wiki (e.g., FlashForward2009).
{{Chabal 2}}: Okay, launching as RobinHood2010 then.
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MarqFJA: PrettySmartForAHottie, which has been cut some long while ago for ill-defined nature and not having gone through a proper YKTTW process, still shows up on IndexIndex and in the index bar(s) of several tropes (e.g. GoodLookingPrivates). Something needs to be done.
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MrDeath: Just out of curiosity, why're demotivators suddenly banned?
TriggerLoaded: {{Madrugada}} and FastEddie explain the primary reasons [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=s5qxj3xxblr5w9fjkgmbv82j&page=1#20 here.]] EDIT: Earlier, Madrugada explains that it's only the Demotivator style that's being purged. You're allowed to take out the actual image in the demotivator and apply the text as a caption.
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{{Madrugada}}: Vandal is back. AMereServantofGod 12.180.26.106 has run his bowdlerizer script on May 18th. The damage has been fixed.
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Tnu1138: I'm a bit confused on the proper usage of ThisTroper. where and when is it meant to be used?
TriggerLoaded: In short: Never. For TroperTales, use your own handle. In the actual Trope or Work pages, make the changes, don't add {{Natter}} and {{Justifying Edit}}s, and you don't need to personally attest to it.
ThisTroper[[hottip:*: oh all right CrypticMirror]] heartily agrees, in {{This Troper}}'s opinion it was overused far too much.
MasoTey: Perhaps it's going a bit far to deprecate the use of This Troper in TroperTales. Personally, I use it there because I wish to share my experiences ''without'' linking people back to my user page all the time; my identity does not seem very important there, and I don't see that my tales gain anything from being linked to it. And quite a lot of other people pothole their user names under This Troper, perhaps for similar reasons. It is, at worst, a harmless affectation; at best, it actively works to keep ego out of the wiki.
{{Micah}}: Even if you don't want to link your username in TroperTales, why not just say "I"?
MasoTey: Because -- though admittedly it varies from page to page -- third person seems to be a convention here. It's a convention I like for some reason, so I have no problem with perpetuating it.
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MorganWick: What's up with the descriptions next to the icons for WMG, Just Bugs Me, and the like?
TriggerLoaded: New changes so the icons are more noticeable and user-friendly. Most people seem to like them, as noted in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=hvffshwp2xharjyz0ao380e8&page=1 this forum topic.]]
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{{Jordan}}: I was wondering about the PaulRobinson quotes on some pages. I see he made himself the page quote for NoPartyLikeADonnerParty and the TurnerDiaries, and when I was going to make this comment in the past, the same was true for TrueArtIsOffensive (now his quote is merely on the quotes page). I've always been bothered by his entry-pimping, so I wondered about deleting those quotes, or at least moving them to the quotes page instead.
{{Madrugada}}: I moved it to the Quotes page, more because it's confusing than because it was self-pimping.
{{Jordan}}: Thanks. I also see FastEddie removed the quote from the TurnerDiaries page (and made further fixes).
FastEddie: Yeah, Paul Robinson copied in his own blog post on the topic, then quoted himself. Little ego situation, there. No problem with people promoting their ''work''. Promoting ''yourself'', though ... tacky.
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Larfleeze: Would anyone care to stop by the JohnCena page? There's a bit of an edit war going on and if I'm in the wrong I'd like to know. I don't think I am but these two guys (67.64.118.31) and (58.168.56.45) keep deleting a CMOA entry for a really bad reason that they can't back up.
{{Madrugada}}: Since Crowning Moments are ''by definition'' subjective, they're rarely worth fighting over on a a works page. Better to move it to the appropriate Crowning Moments Page, in this case, CrowningMoment/ProfessionalWrestling. Since there are already 4 entries, moving all of them would be a very wise choice.
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TheOneWhoTropes: me, SomeNewGuy and a number of others have been deleting a quite offensive comment on the Franchise/DragonAge page by a Troper who calls themself {{Heart}}. And they keep putting it back up. "Only a video game" doesn't justify the negative vindictiveness of that comment.
Jerrik: {{Heart}} seems to have moved the comment to the Just Bugs Me page. So problem solved, I guess?
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{{melloncollie}}: Not sure what the heck is going on in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=856#listtop this Avatar review]], wasn't sure if I should report it. I'm kinda wishing that this sort of idiocy doesn't repeat itself elsewhere.
{{blackcat}}: Oh boy oh boy oh boy, I think it needed to be reported because I hate seeing that kind of stuff too. The review is not great but the comments are worse.
{{Madrugada}}: Thank you for reporting it. It's looks like the review was considerably more bitter and bile-filled at first, but it has been rewritten. I've deleted all the comments. The review is subjective, but then, reviews are.
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MrDeath: We've got a [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=vampy desperate, deluded shipper]] {{Single Issue Wonk}}ing about the OfficialCouple of FinalFantasyVII. So far every single edit except one that s/he has made has been trying to enforce the [[WordOfGod officially]] [[ShipSinking shot down]] Cloud/Aerith ship. Anything we can do about this?
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{{LimeTH}}: Is there a page detailing how to add pictures to trope pages?
{{blackcat}}: Have you looked at ImagesInWikiPages?
FastEddie: Edit ban installed.
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SomeNewGuy: Can we ''please'' ban Tabris Macbeth? Literally all of his edits have been shoving his warped opinions on the pages and insulting those who disagree.
{{blackcat}}: I am curious, ''where'' are all of his edits? [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=TabrisMacbeth His edit page is blank.]]
PaulA: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Tabris_Macbeth Here.]] Although his contributor page is TabrisMacbeth, his editor name is Tabris_Macbeth.
{{blackcat}} Ahhhh. Yep. That's a problem.
{{Glowsquid}}: For examples of what SomeNewGuy said, there's his edits [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Harvester?action=diff here]] and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SurprisinglyImprovedSequel?action=diff&minor=&more=Y here]] (a bit further down the history).
{{blackcat}}: I think that the "Edit ban installed" note from FastEddie on the entry above this one was actually in response to this notice. It makes no sense up there, but I wasn't going to move it. (He doesn't exactly scare me but I won't poke him with a stick either.)
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{{Madrugada}}: Vandalism alert: AMereServantOfGod 12.180.26.106; Bowdlerizing.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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* Tnu1138: why are some namespace's not properly linked? CrowningMoments, Funny, Fetish Fuel, WMG, JustBugsMe /Film, they are all properly linked to the main articles that share rthe name. but for example Literature is nowhere to be fou ndon such bars
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ninjacrat: There's some edit warrior at WMG/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi who is persistently making very... strange edits. I've done my best to explain how the spoiler/non-spoiler split works and why some of the things they're requesting don't make much sense, but it doesn't seem to getting through.
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{{Komodin}}: The user, Kahran042, just tried to blank the RealWomenNeverWearDresses page, for a poorly explained resaon.
FastEddie: IP block installed. That page is chock full of natter, though. Some excision ''is'' needed.
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{{randomguy9}}: Someone at IP address 208.65.83.84 blanked the page for {{Felarya}}.
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MetaFour: It seems that the javascript or something is not working right with Firefox. Folders and hottips won't expand (in the wiki; the hottips in the forum work fine), and the buttons like "New Edits" at the top of the page won't work. This only started happening today, after that period where the pages took forever to load. Again, this is just with Firefox 3.6.3 on a Mac; I'm not having these problems with Safari.
PaulA: For what it's worth, I'm not having any trouble in Firefox 3.0.11 on a PC.
FastEddie: Clear the cache. Sounds like you have a corrupted copy of the main javascript file.
MetaFour: It's working now.
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DyingWillKirby: I want to change the title for the page of a series to one of its redirects. This is because the current title isn't actually the name of the series in any form. More can be seen [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=wu31jn0gzc5b4jlphcbzp5m2&page=1 at this forum page]]. How exactly would I go about changing a title? I thought I'd ask here, since no one's been answering in the forums.
{{Citizen}}: Click the wiki links to each redirect, click the "Redirected from" links at the top right to edit them, copy the page over, change all redirects (and the original page) to point to new destination, and use the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/GashBell related links search]] (change the URL to point to each page) to find and correct all links, as appropriate. And that's only after you're '''sure''' you've gotten agreement on the change.
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{{Mullon}}: How come the indexes don't appear at the bottom of the ''SpongeBobSquarepants'' page?
CrypticMirror: The article is on a redirect from the link on the WesternAnimation index.
{{Mullon}}: Oh. Is there a way to fix it?
MasoTey: Out of curiosity, why is it a ptitle?
{{blackcat}}: Fixed. I think it is a ptitle because of the internal capitalization in the name. The markup is [=[[{ptitle}} name of trope]]=] when formatting
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{{Rogue 7}}: I really shouldn't have to be asking questions like this after, what, 2+ years on this wiki...
How do you excise a redirect? I'm attempting to split up the Characters/ShinMegamiTensei character sheets, and a lot of them already have redirects (Characters/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne, Characters/{{Persona 4}}, etc) to the main Characters/ShinMegamiTensei page. Trying to manually enter the page into the URL bar doesn't work.
CrypticMirror: Just go to the original page and click on the redirect information it's a link that'll take you to the edit page screen of the redirected link. If you see what I mean.
{{Rogue 7}}: Well, don't I feel stupid. Thanks.
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{{HalfLight}}: I am new to Wiki Editing and have been searching around the forum for instructions on how to create a {{FanFic}} page to add to the Troper Works page. I think I've got it right, but I want to be sure. I think that I have to add the link first, and then click on that Red Link and start editing the page. Is this correct? Thank you!
'''ETA:''' How exactly do I add my Trope Page to the Contributors index? I've looked for the edit button, but I couldn't find one.
FastEddie. Right. Make a link like FanFic.FicTitle and click that bad boy. Off you go. Be sure to add the title to the TroperWorks index. Same deal for your contributor page, but even simpler. Click this one: Tropers.HalfLight and fill that dude out. Look on the Tools menu at the left for the "set page type" button when you are done. Set that page to "contributor." The system will pick that it is a contributor page, add you to the list, and mark your page with the contributor banner.
HalfLight: So I can create the link anywhere? I don't have to create it in a specific place? Got it. Thank you!
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TriggerLoaded: A troper named {{Libris}} (80.9.169.210) created the page JaufreRudelsSyndrome. He did place it in YKTTW, but then launched it without waiting for a reply at all. That's not the bad part. He's now guarding the page by keeping it perpetually locked out, and is reverting grammar edits. Probably feels he owns the page.
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{{macroscopic}}: Found a spammer with the handle [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=srakonda srakonda.]] Edit: also [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=117.199.182.26 117.199.182.26.]]
FastEddie: Blocks installed. Thanks for the heads up.
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I'm a lazy ass and UnknownTroper who doesn't feel like [[strike:registering]] getting known. Shouldn't all those elimination games in the Video Games and Film belong in oh I don't know, Forum ''Games''? Not all discussion has to be completely serious, but why would outright forum games belong in a discussion forum instead of there?
{{blackcat}}: It would be helpful if you provided a link to the problem page.
{{Madrugada}}: He's talking about the forums. And to be brutally honest, if he's unwilling to get known so he can take part in the forums, his opinions on how they should be run are utterly without value.
{{blackcat}}: True dat.
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SomeSortOfTroper: So UT 97.88.244.78 keeps using this page {{Feltbeat}} for what looks like a sandbox. Since they are an UnknownTroper I can't PM them, another other method to point them in the direction of the WikiSandbox.
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Leanan: If someone's disrupting mini-roleplays in the Forum Games by ignoring both forum rules and gently-given advice? What do we do? Both mods and admonitions from myself have been sent to the person in question, so what do I do?
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CrypticMirror: For some reason the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/Narnia fanfic reccomendations]] page image linky thing for TheChroniclesOfNarnia isn't showing up on the main page, how can I fix this?
FastEddie: It needs to match on the title. FanficRecs.{{Narnia}} doesn't match Main.TheChroniclesOfNarnia. Moving the recco content to FanficRecs.TheChroniclesOfNarnia will do the trick.
CrypticMirror: Ah, ta muchly. All tided up now.
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^_^: What exactly stops OmnipresentTropes from being PeopleSitOnChairs kind of redundant? If we've SeenItAMillionTimes as it says in the description, doesn't pointing it out make it unremarkable ''because'' of its prevalence in stories?
{{Madrugada}}: Tropes are conventions used in storytelling to get some sort of information across to the audience. Omnipresent tropes are those conventions that are very difficult to avoid completely and still tell a story. PeopleSitOnChairs aren't storytelling conventions at all; they're just things that are normal to have happen. Everyone sits on chairs; making a character sit on a chair doesn't help tell the story at all. If, on the other hand, the chair or the way the character sits in it ''does'' add information for the audience, it becomes a trope, like SlouchOfVillainy, CoolChair, SuperWheelChair, or a ChairReveal.
Does that answer your question?
^_^: [[SincerityMode Yes it does!]]
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Tnu1138: why does StealthPun redirect to IncrediblyLazyPun? Wouldn't it be assumed that a Stealth Pun would require some skill and effort while a Lazy Pun would just be a cop out for leaving the joke unfinished for the audience to figure it out
{{Fighteer}}: This was done based on a [[TakeItToTheForums forum discussion]], as the tropes were being used interchangeably on the wiki.
SomeSortOfTroper: You mean "why does IncrediblyLazyPun redirect to StealthPun?" Well the trope was previsouly under the name IncrediblyLazyPun but it was renamed because the laziness was making people think of IncrediblyLamePun. In fact IncrediblyLamePun only exists because of that mistake. When tropes are renamed, the old name is kept around as a redirect for when people use it accidentally later on.\\
However the exception to that is when the old name is potentially confusing and damaging even as a redirect which is exactly what it happening with IncrediblyLazyPun so I think we're going to have to CutList this one.
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UnknownTroper: At the bottom of Pokémon's [[CrowningMusic/{{Ptitlei015gc004kw4}} Crowning Music]] page, only the index link to Anime, but not Video Games appears. On {{CrowningMusic/Pokemon}} [without an accent] it still appears despite removing both the [=<<||>>=] and changing the Index on [[CrowningMusic/VideoGames CrowningMusic/Video Games]]. Any suggestions? And I hope this was in coherent English.
Also, how do you add something to IndexIndex?
{{blackcat}} From what I understand the [=<<||>>=] indexing markup is obsolete and doesn't matter any more. Go to the index that you want the article to appear on and put the page on the list. Sometimes you have to reset the page type to index even if it already says index. I think I read somewhere (maybe the forum?) that the IndexIndex automatically updates on a routine basis.
UnknownTroper: Okay, that may sort out the IndexIndex bit, but, I moved everything from [[CrowningMusic/{{Pokemon}} CrowningMusic/Pokemon]] to [[CrowningMusic/{{Ptitlei015gc004kw4}} CrowningMusic/Pokémon]], changing the index links accordingly. The link to the [[CrowningMusic/{{Anime}} Anime subsection]] of Crowning Music of Awesome appears at the bottom, but not to [[CrowningMusic/VideoGames Video Games]] (which, with the redirect turned off, still appears on Pokemon [without the é], even though nothing links there apart from this very page). It's not important or vital, it's just that I can't tell what's wrong.
I ''already'' put the link on the indexes and it's showing up one on its page, but not the other.
{{blackcat}} I just checked the page type for [[CrowningMusic/VideoGames CrowningMusic/Video Games]]and the page type was set as a Just For Fun bit. I changed it to index and everything is fine now. Because the page was set as a Just For Fun bit, it isn't recognized as an index. To set a page type pull down the Tools menu and near the bottom is a button that says Page Type.
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{{arromdee}}: Please do a global substitution replacing [=LegionOfSuperHeroes=] with [={{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}=], because of the rename. There are over 400 wicks to change manually, and I don't think making this substitution could cause any problems.
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LooneyToons: ...When did {{Lolicon}} get locked? Geeze, you turn your back for five minutes... <grin> Anyway, I had an external link I wanted to add, potholing the phrase "[[http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/02/15/japans-hottest-schoolgirl-moms/ well into their twenties]]" (actually I wanted to change that to "twenties and beyond"). The link is perfectly legal and pretty much SFW -- it's to footage from a Japanese "beauty contest" for mothers wearing their daughters' school uniforms; none of them are under 30 but you'd be hard-pressed to guess their actual ages. Perhaps one of the admins might make the edit, please?
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{{Triassicranger}}: [[strike:I made an ItJustBugsMe page for StarTrekTheNextGeneration, and even though I put a link to it on the ItJustBugsMe index, the actual page is saying it's not been put on an index. What's going on?]] Forget it, it is now working.
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FlyingV: This is uncutlistable http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItJustBugsMe/ptitleuv6m2sgz
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MrDeath: Can we get some sort of arbitration on the DragonballEvolution page? Me and harkko are arguing about whether it's PragmaticAdaptation. I say it is, because a lot of the changes are the result of the change in medium from anime/manga to American live-action film; which, as I understand it, is the definition of the trope. He says it isn't simply because the movie wasn't good.
{{JET73L}}: I say, use the descriptions of the PragmaticAdaptation and AdaptationDecay examples on the page to reference each other, as well as the example of the trope itself ("[[PragmaticAdaptation Despite the adaptation decay, some things...]]" and "[[AdaptationDecay However, see 'Pragmatic Adaptation' above to explain]] [[YourMileageMayVary or]] [[AdaptationDecay excuse some of the complaints]]", for example). We've done it before, and it seemed to help the times I've seen two tropes for a given work that many people think are mutually exclusive.
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{{JET73L}}: Is or was there a Discussion search option (not necessarily discussion-only, but at least not excluding Discussions from the Recently Edited By or Content searches), and if there isn't, is there now a technical reason why we can't have one? I know it can be done by using the Google searchbar, but that doesn't seem to be particularly comprehensive, and it definitely isn't well-organized.
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PaulA: There's something weird going on at YouKnowThatShow -- people are adding items, and they're showing up on the edit history as having been added, but they don't appear on the actual page.
{{blackcat}} I think the page may be too long and that those questions that have been answered should be deleted.
MasoTey: Out of curiosity, is there a protocol for doing that?
{{Madrugada}}: Not really. Just do it and leave an edit reason of something like "Confirmed correct questions deleted because the page was too long and was breaking the software."
MasoTey: Thanks. I[[strike:'m going to go ahead and do that now.]] am an idiot for not looking at the page yet.
{{Madrugada}}: You aren't an idiot. I'm just faster than you.
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{{Jordan}}: There's an edit war going on on the MisaimedFandom page.
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{{Thespacephantom}}: How do I make a page of my own? And for that matter, how do I shot web?
{{blackcat}}: Put curly{{ }} brackets around your name ( I did it for you) and then click on the red link and edit your page. No idea about the other question.
{{Thespacephantom}}: Thanks.
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{{Willbyr}}: Someone with the IP 71.114.193.200 keeps removing specific comments from FanficRecs/NeonGenesisEvangelion. It's been done six times now as of April 10th, and reverted each time. Can we get an IP block going?
FastEddie: Block installed.
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MasoTey: What page type should be assigned to pages about radio stations or TV networks?
FastEddie: Creator.
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Chabal2: Is there some kind of policy on tropes that consists of a specific archetype meeting another? (I'm thinking of putting sailors who are also TheAlcoholic through YKTTW, but if I can avoid TheSameButMore and XMeetsY replies in advance, so much the better).
{{Fighteer}}: There's no absolute policy that I'm aware of, but in general it's not something we encourage unless the combination of the two tropes adds something that wasn't there already. In other words, are there any examples that would go on the combined trope that would not also fit on both the other ones? If not, it's probably not a distinct trope. (Edit: That's just me, though. Feel free to YKTTW it.)
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Cave Troll With A Beard: Are we allowed to create story pages for our own stories? I want to make one for a original story I'm in the process of writing that'll probably end up on fictionpress or something, just so I can solidify in my mind what tropes and such I want to use. Is that allowed?
{{Triassicranger}}: Well, there is TroperWorks for your own stories. Or DarthWiki/UnpublishedWorks if you haven't written your story yet.
CaveTrollWithABeard: Thanks!
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{{Madrugada}} Vandal at large: gregitaly 72.213.48.123. Hates the thought of HoYay between Kirk And Spock, deleted the page image on HoYay despite admin note to leave it alone. Also took out references to HoYay and the entire Fan Fiction Folder on BitchInSheepsClothing. Openly stated his intent to remove all references to Kirk[=/=]Spock HoYay in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=uvtxad1s1aoq6gl9n3uwi103&page=1#1 this forum post.]]
FastEddie: IP block installed.
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{{Micah}}: {{Sieglinde}} has twice blanked [=~Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offences~=] without giving any edit reason.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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{{Feinoha}}: Where do I propose creation of articles for Games/Anime/Manga etc that do not yet have there own article? Do I use YKTTW or is there some other place to do so?
UnknownTroper: You don't. You can just add it right away. Works pages don't need a YKTTW.
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{{Jordan}}: I just made some edits to CharacterFilibuster and those at the bottom of the page don't seem to be showing up. I've had this kind of thing happen before and don't know what's wrong with my formatting.
{{Micah}}: The wiki software doesn't like external links with certain characters in them (including %, which was in your wikipedia link). I don't think there's a fix, per se; the only workaround I know of is to find an address for what you want that doesn't have any problematic characters in it. In this case "Alo Presidente" is a wikipedia redirect to the page you want, so I fixed it by linking to [=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alo_Presidente=].
{{Jordan}}: Thanks.
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SunnyV: On the fora, I have an avatar from the Lunaii dollmaker site. How do I make it so that it looks less small?
{{Glowsquid}}: The maximum size for an avatar on the forum is 100x100 pixels. You might want to crop your avatar in MS Paint or some online image resizing site.
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{{Tokuiten}}: How does one deal with a particularly annoying [[BluenoseBowdlerizer bluenose]]? {{TMR}} (76.22.36.95) has been intermittently bluenosing the ''KamenRiderDouble'' article; he stopped for a while (unfortunally, all his older bluenosing is no longer in the history), but he's back with a vengeance; he just got on my last nerve by turning an example of BadassBiker into a PotHole reading "Badboy Biker" (April 14, 03:07 PM). Also, a very large amount of his edits consist of him pushing his own personal SpellMyNameWithAnS on everyone; he's done it in too many articles to count, he's edit warred over it and inserted FanDumb-ish statements like "some of us don't accept the official spellings", and he's even changed actors' names away from the spellings the actors themselves use (I remember seeing him do it on {{Characters/Kamen Rider Den-O}}). At least he doesn't fill talk pages here with personal attacks over it like he does on TheOtherWiki.
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EtherealMutation: Some user called "wikiporn" has been maintaining an EditWar on the Horrible/VideoGames page over a contested entry. S/he refuses to discuss the contested entry and basically has the attitude of "fuck it; you have to tire out eventually" (as evidenced by the comment line).
DialgaX: codenamehunterwolf (144.131.42.33) is doing the same thing. I suspect it may be "wikiporn".
{{Glowsquid}}: codenamehunterwolf doesn't seem to be a sockuppet (he edited way before wikiporn), from the look of the comment he left and the discussion page, it seems s/he thought it was about the UweBoll movie and not the videogame,
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{{Triassicranger}}: Motion to block IP address 38.127.225.193 for repeatedly removing an entry without stating resons from the SoBadItsHorrible [[Horrible/{{Anime}} Anime]] page. Hence vandalism.
{{Triassicranger}}: Extending motion to IP address 74.82.57.103 for the same reason.
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WildKnight: There is an edit war going on, mostly between {{DEFCON1}} and {{Evilest_Tim}}, on the ModernWarfare page over SpaceDoesNotWorkThatWay, which Evilest_Tim converted from WallBanger when someone originally posted that complaint on the main page. Quite frankly, I don't even care which side wins anymore, just someone please put a stop to ''someone''.
FastEddie: Block installed on DEFCON1.
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{{Glowsquid}}: IP 146.57.84.39, the guy who keep getting in edit wars on the ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, has made [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrwellianEditor?action=diff an edit]] on OrwellianEditor bitching about other tropers. If someone could deal with this guy, it'd be great.
josh6243: On the subject, 146.57.84.39 put this. [=**On the subject, the fact that the entire=] ''{{Sidekicks}}'' review is filled to the brim with not-so-{{Stealth Insult}}s aimed at both Mako ''and'' his fans makes it in arguably worse taste than his original, unintentional joke, due to the fact that he can no longer use the "I didn't know" excuse.
Is this fact or not?
{{lee4hmz}}: I've seen that episode several times now; what the IP here is talking about is a RunningGag in the episode where the Critic is lavishing over-the-top praise on Mako. [[spoiler:And then Mako has ChuckNorris zap him at the end for making fun of him.]]
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{{Cassius335}}: "Screw The Rules, I Have Plot!" needs renaming (due to the title having nothing to do with the trope), but I daren't put it through the Trope Repair Shop again, because the last time it was, the forumites ''badly'' misinterpreted it. Suggestions?
{{Madrugada}}: Last time, you were the only person supporting your particular interpretation of it. If you want to try again, take it to TropeRepair and come up with some stronger reasons to support your interpretation. Trope Repair is where rename are discussed. There is no other option except admin fiat.
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{{Chabal 2}}: How far back do the respective histories for page edits, YKTTWs and YKTTW launches go? Also, i could have sworn there was a page for XIsTheNewY, but nothing shows up. Am I having hallucinations [[TVTropeswillRuinYourLife due to the]] TetrisEffect?
{{Fighteer}}: The histories go until someone (usually FastEddie) runs a cleanup script. I don't know if this is automated or not. As for XIsTheNewY, it may have been cut at some point, but I just recently replied in LostAndFound to someone who was looking for it.
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{{Zadia}}: Could someone please tell me why the alternative titles are now at the bottom of a page instead of at the top?
{{Glowsquid}}: It spun off from [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=wcyuoeolk2g599kh01rzhjns&page=1 this]] TRS discussion. Some pages have way too many redirects and that bury the lead, so Fast Eddie though of changing it to the bottom.
{{Zadia}}: Right, thanks.
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{{Glowsquid}}:Some guy is edit warring (first as an anon, then under the name "wikiporn") on the video game subpage of SoBadItsHorrible. He keep adding the same entry with his reason being "It's the worst game I own on my Xbox 360!" despite the fact that it has been contested before and removed by several different editors, and he refuse to discuss on the talkpage. He doesn't seem to be too disruptive on other pages, though.
Glowsquid:... And as of April 11th, the '''edit war is still ongoing'''. Wikiporn has still completely failed to go on the Discussion page despite being asked to do so.
Glowsquid: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Horrible/VideoGames?action=diff wikiporn is still up to his business]].
{{Komodin}}: I've requested, ''multiple times'', in the "Edit Reasons" textbox that he should visit the discussion page to talk over what to do with the example. He won't relent. He ''just won't let up.'' Something should ''seriously'' be done about his {{single issue wonk}}.
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MorganWick: PrettySmartForAHottie appears in the index listing of several pages (like HotChickWithASword), but doesn't seem to actually exist when I go to the page.
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{{Citizen}}: UltraSuperDeathGoreFestChainsawer3000 has an excessive number of redirects. Am I missing the joke here, or can we get prune the list a bit?
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TheGunheart: In [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=iq4e979au0bb4ea0mtkaglwa&page=1 this thread]], EricDVH is apparently threatening to rewrite OldSchoolDogfighting. Given how it's already a perfectly good article and, according to the discussion, he's apparently one of the users who previously used the article as a soap box for his views on fighters in general, I thought I might should bring it to attention.
{{Madrugada}: We don't do pre-emptive strikes. If he changes it for the worse, THEN bring it back here.
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{{macroscopic}}: Got a spambot with the handle 'downloadtvshow' hitting YKTTW [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=lk14zc9tsdp7h24h41yzui7f here.]]
{{Komodin}}: The spambot [[{{Downloadtvshow}} made an "account"]], consisting of nothing but links to presumably suspect sites. Even made a "review" of SouthPark, which is more of an advertisement of its "site" than anything. Something should be done about this, methinks.
FastEddie: Hard block installed.
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{{macroscopic}}: Someone at 124.183.247.208 has been vandalizing JohnCena ([[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JohnCena?action=diff edit history]]). Some of his cries of "troll" and claims to "neutrality" are pretty ironic.
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DialgaX: The PokemonMysteryDungeon HighOctaneNightmareFuel and NightmareFuel debate has been cleaned up but can someone delete the NightmareFuel icon on the page? I made it redirect to the High Octane page in a probably misguided attempt to stop people from shifting the content of the HONF page to the NF page and vice-versa.
{{macroscopic}}: I've put it on the cutlist. The icon shows up automatically when there's a page there, even if it's just a redirect.
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CrypticMirror: Hi, sorry, possibly a silly question. But I've noticed that the CanonDefilement trope is being treated as "it's different, it sucks" and BetterThanCanon is "it's better so it rocks", surely these pages should be moved to the Darth and Sugar sections of the site? CanonDefilement isn't even marked as subjective (although the BetterThanCanon one is at least), at the very least they are both subjective?
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DyingWillKirby: At one point, I had added a picture (a character who I thought exemplified the trope) to a trope page that had no picture. Later, I found the picture had been deleted under the grounds that it was JustAFaceAndACaption. What exactly are you guys looking for in a trope image?
MrDeath: Generally, something that illustrates the trope, without needing foreknowledge of the series from which the picture was taken; they only "exemplify the trope" if you know who they are, and what they did, for a start.
FastEddie: Stop by the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=images Image Pickin' Forum]] and get some folks involved in the choice.
DyingWillKirby: So essentially, I should just look for an example from an already extremely known and popular source, as opposed to trying to expose people to new things?
{{Madrugada}} No, you look for a picture that works because of what anyone can see when they look at it whether they know anything about the character or work at all or not; not what it shows if you already know the character and the work it's from. If the work is obscure or lesser-known, the picture is going to have to be very clearly a depiction of the trope. And the threads in the Image Pickin' forum is a good place to see what generally makes a good page image and what doesn't.
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ArchaicChaos: Just wondering, what's the standard procedure for proposing page quotes? Should I take it to the discussion page or just add it on?
FastEddie: Just do it. Careful, though. One page quote is usually plenty. One short page quote. The idea is to introduce the article, then get out of the way.
ArchaicChaos: Thanks a bunch.
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UnknownTroper: I can't see the images for adding to discussion page (the funny letters) at all now. Is this a common problem? And I ''am'' aware the solution is to "get known then".
{{blackcat}} By funny letters do you mean the captcha?
No idea. Maybe? The point is is that there's a box for writing in, but no image visible.
FastEddie: That's fixed.
The same UnknownTroper, no really, don't be fooled by the different IP: Late thanks.
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MrDeath: Syera keeps putting an entry into GoneHorriblyRight that basically amounts to stating "The Bible is all lies" as if it's objective fact. I don't want to cause a huge edit war that takes up the whole page history, so if someone could step in that'd be great.
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{{Jordan}}: Someone's been deleting Transformers Kiss Players from the SoBadItsHorrible Anime page. Since the series is pretty widely agree to fit and deleting it is basically equivalent to wearing a sign saying "I'm a Lolicon", I'd like to think that deleting that entry is a banable offence.
{{Triassicranger}}: I would like to second Jordan's motion. I've been checking the IP addresses deleting it recently and both have come up as suspected network sharing devices, hence it's very possible it's one guy behind a proxy, the same guy who started doing it months ago. As an aside, most (if not all) of the IP addresses have been through communications companies. Curious. Basically -- block.
{{Triassicranger}}: On that note, motion to block IP address 38.127.225.193 for said action. Repeatedly.
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{{Triassicranger}}: Is there any reason why the DarthWiki and SugarWiki have turned white, or is my Mac faulty?
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WildKnight: deltanine keeps removing the quotes on the ''SonicTheHedgehog2006'' page and, instead of complaining in the edit reason box, is replacing those quotes with things along the lines of "I said I want those profane quotes gone! STOP PUTTING THEM BACK!" [[ConversationOnTheMainPage On the main page.]] Perhaps the quotes are in fact too profane for a game like Sonic, but this seems to me like a BluenoseBowdlerizer of the worst kind. If an edit block is too much, is there anything else we can do?
FastEddie: I moved the quotes to the Quotes.SonicTheHedgehog2006 page. They aren't a good opening for the article.
{{Citizen}}: Deltanine had a point. I'd have removed them, too.
MrDeath: A point on the profanity, perhaps. Acting like he/she had some sort of authority (the whole, "I said I wanted these gone!" thing), and making ''threats'', on the other hand, are way out of line, especially on the main page.
WildKnight: Pretty much; honestly, when it started getting bad I wanted to throw the quotes back in just to spite him/her and the, quite frankly, amateurish wiki-editing. Thanks for the action, FastEddie.
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{{Zadia}}: I was on the {{Telephone}} page and I saw that EveryoneRemembersTheStripper is suddenly gone. I checked the list of recent cuts and didn't see it there. What happened?
{{Ultimatum}} Its now called "EverybodyRemembersTheStripper
{{Zadia}}: Thanks.
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Wemmblyhogg: I see the 'No items, Fox only, Final Destination' [=SSB=] meme on this wiki a lot, and while I get the items and location bits, can someone explain why Fox is specified? I've never played either of the [=SSB=] games, and I'm curious to understand the meme.
{{Glowsquid}}: Fox is top tier (ie: He's generally considered to be the best character for tournaments) in Melee, which has a big tournament scene.
Wemmblyhogg: So is it referring to an [[StopHavingFunGuys SHFG]] saying he will only play Fox, or he will only play if ''you'' play Fox?
{{Citizen}}: A google search for the phrase would have told you that the phrase means that ''[[ComplacentGamingSyndrome everyone]]'' is only playing as Fox.
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{{Tangent 128}}: 76.19.181.198 was just observed deleting random words, syllables and punctuation from WMG/PhineasAndFerb.
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SomeNewGuy: User drussillaHysteric has been deleting several entries concerning the WhateleyUniverse from several pages, including CompleteMonster, CrazyAwesome and GoneHorriblyRight, and refuses to give any explanation. Can someone do something, please?
EDIT: He/she's at it again. Will someone ''please'' do something?
TheOneWhoTropes: I've had to clear up this as well. Please do something about this.
{{Komodin}}: It appears this "drusillaHysteric" person [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=drusillaHysteric is at it again.]] Someone really ''should'' do something about this guy's SingleIssueWonk towards the ''WhateleyUniverse''.
FastEddie: Block installed. Should be safe to return the deletions.
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josh6243: Are you sure you guys can look at 146.57.84.39 and block him/her because he/she does not follow the rules? He/she is at it again.
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Not sure I did the right thing, but after looking at the TalesOfTheAbyss article I removed what looked like a debate on the meaning of the game's ending. Could someone check it over thanks.
{{blackcat}}: Woah, it looks like the worst kind of {{Natter}}. I see you put down your reason on and that never hurts. In the future if you are doubtful about removing something you can always move it to the discussion pages.
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{{Ultimatum}}Since the OriginalLife page seems to be attracting problems,can it be locked?
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{{Citizen}}: When did "Manga & Anime" become the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ouroboros?action=diff "official category"]], instead of some variant of "Anime & Manga"?
{{blackcat}}: See forum discussion [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xnts3cpt47ene4cey2r4pkwe&page=1 here]].
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josh6243: Unknown troper 82.141.80.189 is vandalizing the AtopTheFourthWall page. The vandalism is almost removed; should we block him/her because there should not be a repeat vandalism?
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TheGunheart: Got another one on the OriginalLife page. Not as vitriolic as the last one, but taking out valid critisisms and calling {{Hatedom}} on the more obvious problems. Their IP is 174.114.231.69.
FastEddie: Edit block installed.
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{{macroscopic}}: I feel a little redundant pointing this out, but someone with the handle "aldona" has been spamming porn links -- one forum post thumped by {{Madrugada}} and at least two discussion pages: SiblingTropes and BrotherSisterIncest, which was thumped by FastEddie. Pointing it out in case no-one realized he was a repeat offender.
{{Madrugada}} Since (s)he's doing it more than just the one forum link I caught, I'll add a forum ban. Don't need that crap.
FastEddie: Full-on access block installed.
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ninjacrat: We've a uniquely singleminded spammer at lar789 203.177.239.165.
FastEddie:Block Installed
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MrDeath: A jackass at 64.107.1.217 is replacing whole pages with a single line saying things like "ura fag".
FastEddie:Block Installed
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JET73L: I'm sorry if this seems stupid, but is there something specific required to make an Alternate Title show up at the top of the page when following an alt-titled link, or does that just happen automatically with redirects now? Neither the EditingOverview nor TextFormattingRules pages say how, and I did not find the answer in my alternate titles bar search.
FastEddie: It's automagic.
JET73L: Sorry, I don't seem to be getting what the problem is (see [[WMG/MakingMoney WMG/MakingMoney]] for an example of what I'm not trying to do). See how the page to which it is redirected says "[[WMG/GoingPostal Going Postal]]"? I want to know what was done to make, for example, SuzumiyaHaruhi and TheMelancholyOfHaruhiSuzumiya to show up as the respective page titles for the same page accessed by different links, and what I'm doing (a basic redirect) isn't working for that. It just... [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin redirects]].
FastEddie: There was a bug in making the magic happen for WMG. That's fixed, now.
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CrypticMirror: Someone keeps removing ''FanFic/TheReturn'' from the CompleteMonster page based just on it being a fanfic series, although the character in question is an OC and frankly the series is closer to [[CookieCutterFic original fiction]]. I've put the example back again, but I don't want to get into an edit war over it, especially on an emotionally charged page like CompleteMonster. Can anything be done?
Edit: The same fate seems to befall the WhateleyUniverse entry, but I don't know enough about that -verse to judge whether that entry should be reinstated.
CrypticMirror (again, sorry): This just wont go away, troper drusillaHysteric 69.204.156.90 is still deleting the WhatleyUniverse section from the page no reasons given either in the history or discussion page. I've put it back one more time.
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LooneyToons: Not strictly a question, but... the [[http://www.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/titlegen.php Trope Title Generator]] appears to be broken.
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DyingWillKirby: I've got two questions: one basic one that I should have figured out by now, and a more advanced one.
1. How do I make a contributor page? Is it different from my profile?
2. I've made edits prior to registering on this site. Is there a way that I can transfer my old edits into my editing history once I've made a contributor page?
Thank you.
{{Ronka87}}: You make a contributor's page by turning your name a redlink (like the one above me), clicking it, and editing. Add the name to TheContributors, and set the page type to "contributor" (the tool for that is at the bottom of the "Tools" sidebar).
As for edits, that's a bit more complicated. As far as I know, you can't "transfer" edits-- the edits you made as an Unknown Troper will be viewable by your IP, but not by your handle. If you want to see the edits you made back then, punch your IP address into the "find edits by troper" function (also the bottom of Tools). But that's the past, anyway-- you'll make plenty of new edits with your new handle. Recording individual edits isn't really a big deal, and anything you want to keep track of you can add to your Watchlist.
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CrackersNCheese: I seem to recall a page that would let you edit your spoiler viewing options but I cannot find it now. Could someone please provide a link?
FAstEddie: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/profile.php Here we go]].
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WildKnight: Either a widespread DriveByEditor really needs to update their encoding or something weird is going on with a lot of "special characters" all over the site, e.g. the accented e (that I'm currently incapable of typing on this keyboard) in ''{{Pokemon}}'' keeps getting rendered as ?leading to "Pok?n". Could someone provide a clue as to which one it is?
PaulA: Looks like a character encoding problem: the special characters are in Unicode, but the pages are being served in Latin-1. (If you go to your browser's View menu and insist on viewing the page in Unicode, the problem disappears.) How it happened, and what's required to fix it, I leave to somebody familiar with the backstage areas of the wiki.
(PS. Looking in more detail, the server is specifying ISO-8859-1, but the actual HTML is specifying Latin1. If nothing else, they ought at least to be specifying the same thing.)
{{blackcat}}: See forum discussion [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=txkk6zjag29x0wcvpafsw7mu&page=1#15 here]].
FastEddie: Okay. Discovered how it happened. Geeky stuff [[hottip:*:I updated the replication demon to the latest/greatest. It's default settings had changed from latin-1 to utf8. Notice of that fact was buried in the release notes and I missed it.]]. Identified the fix, which will be run late tonight (23 MAR AM, that is).
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Shadow Darkman: I remember finding a link that allowed me to create a page when the tips I read about wouldn't work, but I can't remember where it was. Someone help me?
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spike12: IP adress#75.140.224.90 is making some rather rude comments in the page history section of the {{Whale Wars}} page over my edits in the epic fail section,and the removal of the unfortunate implications section( it has nothing to do with the show),and is kinda making it no fun to either visit,or edit.
FastEddie: Block installed and further off-topic material removed.
{{Madrugada}}: How handy. That solves the problem on the AnimalWrongsGroup page (right below this report) as well.
spike12: Thanks.
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MrDeath: Absurdist is perpetuating an edit war on AnimalWrongsGroup. He keeps editing the page to make people like the Animal Liberation Front (i.e., the guys who firebomb anyone who works on animals) look like heroes (changing "and kill real people" to "and save real animals", for example) and changing the page to reflect his ideology.
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TheGunheart: We've got a vandal on the OriginalLife page. Their IP address is 71.125.233.206. They're just deleting things they don't agree with and throwing {{take that}}s at the users who posted them.
FastEddie: Edit block installed.
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PaulA: Is there an easy-to-explain distinction between IWishItWereReal and ComicBooksAreReal?
{{Fighteer}}: That's a very good question, one which might be best raised on the forums, in Trope Repair Shop.
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{{Chabal 2}}: Is it necessary to have some kind of concensus when creating a page for a FanFic, or is it being on the series' FanficRecs page considered enough? the one I'm thinking of is ''[[http://captainosaka.deviantart.com/art/DOUBLE-K-001-82688715 Double K]]'', which is on the GurrenLagann FanficRecs page.
{{Micah}}: WorksPagesAreAFreeLaunch.
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{{Zadia}}: On the CutList page, it says that to challenge a proposed cut, I need to hit the 'wait' button. Where exactly is the wait button?
SomeSortOfTroper: It's the big button that says "add discussion re:cut". The principle is in order to get a hold on a cut you have to add a discussion point not just click a button.
{{Zadia}}: Ah, I see. Thanks.
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{{Jordan}}: 75.23.184.239 has been going through pages deleting any kind of explanation voicing feminist views giving edit reasons like "lol persecution complex" (paraphrased). I can see the point of a couple of those edits, but I'm inclined to revert them.
FastEddie; Edit block installed. Revert at will.
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{{Korodzik}}: Whatever happened to DepressionFuel? Someone replaced it with two random words.
FastEddie: It was cut.
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{{Ultimatum}} Was [AOD] banned?
FastEddie: Not by handle.
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Dragon_Ranger: 192.225.128.3 is going through various pages and deleting/editing anything dealing with Jay Naylor (ie. mass deletions in the BetterDays and OriginalLife pages). Most of the changes have been reversed already.
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{{Contributors/Elle}}: Ok, I decided I wanted to make redirects for the individual games in the ''{{Lunar}}'' series, but they're all ptitiles, i.e. [=~Lunar: The Silver Star~=]. I wouldn't mind except for the way they show up in the alt-title bar on the page. Is this fixable, or should I resign to making un-punctuated redirects?
{{Fighteer}}: Using ptitled redirects is ugly and is discouraged. They aren't really searchable anyway, so it's usually not worth bothering.
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{{Triassicranger}}: If a certain IP address gets banned, does that mean a registered user cannot access this website via that IP address. For example, say I (logged in) try to access through a blocked IP e.g. 1.1.1.1 and it's blocked. Would I be able to get in or would I be unable to?
FastEddie: There are two levels of block. An edit-block will allow an IP address to read the wiki but not edit. A full block will disallow even reading the wiki.
{{Triassicranger}}: OK, I underdstand, thank you.
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Madrugada: 94.170.133.65 is deleting opposing opinions on [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/StarTrek the Star Trek TOS]] Wild Mass Guessing page.
FastEddie: Block installed. Big no-no.
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josh6243: There is the guy Unknown Troper 146.57.84.39 who keeps putting Complaining natter about ThatGuyWithTheGlasses just because he does not like him. Can you block him/her because he/she is not contributing anything constructive to the article? I don't think this unknown troper can listen to reason. In fact, another troper considers this unknown troper to be a problem.
{{Utritum}}: I can get behind that one. Anytime someone tries to remove his nattery rants, he always tries to repost them under claims of being persecuted.
josh6243: The other troper (not the unknown troper) I was talking about has posted; can a mod please block the Unknown Troper 146.57.84.39?
FastEddie: I see post from the same address, but I don't see edit-warring. The posted example makes a point that seems to be supported. It edges toward opinion, but is not a rant.
{{Utritum}}: It is not the first time that troper have done this, which is why me and josh6243 are complaining. While his newest addition is somewhat substantial, he has previously cluttered up the page with overly long, angry and unconstructive rants and every time he was told to stop doing that, he would become angry and repost his rant while accusing the remover of trying to censor him.
josh6243: Here's the clutter Unknown Troper 146.57.84.39 made before {{Utritum}} (twice) and FastEddie removed it. [deleted by FastEddie]
FastEddie: We all have access to page history, thanks. We're watching the situation. Chill.:-)
josh6243: Sorry, man. What do you suggest in this situation?
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{{Aminatep}}: When I open a sub-forum, I must wait for the full list of its lopics to load. Is there a way to bypass that and divide the topic list into several pages, as it's usually done on other fora?
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{{Zadia}}: I was just on the InformedFlaw, InformedAbility and InformedWrongness pages and I noticed that each of them is on multiple indexes, and only the first index is showing what pages come before and after it. Anyone know why?
FastEddie: They appear okay now. May have been a transient database overload issue.
{{Zadia}}: Thanks.
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What advantages do I get for registering? Or better put is there anything a registered user can do that an unregisted user can't?
{{Fighteer}}: Getting Known means you can edit and launch articles without the CAPTCHA image verification. It means you can post in the forums. It means you can send and receive private messages. It also may have intangible benefits as regards your perception among other tropers. Edit: Yeah, and the watchlist. Thanks, Eddie, I had a brain fart.
FastEddie: Also, there are a lot of things on your watchlist which are cool to have.
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josh6243: There is this unknown troper who thinks sticking his opinion on his ThatGuyWithTheGlasses page makes him important. Should we block him?
{{blackcat}}: Can you two work it out on the discussion page? I don't think that s/he understood the "This Troper must die" comment was referring to the use of the term ThisTroper.
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JonnyD: (Rather than fill this page with the history, I've dropped that into a [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=jsr6n1vfycpl9uo3373t001i&page=1#1 forum thread]] since I wasn't sure where this question should go.)
Does anyone other than ninjacrat object to the PleaseElaborate page? While several tropers spoke up on the PleaseElaborateDiscussion with their support of the tag as useful and expressed their wish to keep it, ninjacrat is the only opposition who contributed to the discussion and so the only opposition I am aware of.
If tropers in general or admins in particular feel that the inconvenience of PleaseElaborate tags appearing on pages outweighs their usefulness, then I am happy to yield to the majority. However, if it turns out that there is actually only one troper who is in opposition, then there are several of us who would like to see it restored. I understand ninjarat's point of view, even though I disagree with it, and I would like to reach a compromise that would allow PleaseElaborate to return.
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{{blackcat}}: GhostBattleship 205.170.21.67 is blanking pages. DragonQuestZ started a thread about it on WikiTalk and is restoring them.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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MemorizePi: Does anyone know how many tropes there are? I've been wanting to ask this for weeks (but couldn't decide where to put this).
{{Fighteer}}: From IttyBittyWikiTools, the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/articlecount.php article count]] script might help. I don't think we have one specifically for page types, though.
MemorizePi: No, that's just what I was looking for. Thanks.
LooneyToons: <blinks> <blinks again> Over ''sixty-two freaking thousand'' pages? No wonder I can't keep up with the site any more.
lebrel: You may also be interested in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/page_type_counts.php page count by type]] tool: we currently have 17,643 pages marked as "trope".
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{{Tokuiten}}: Not sure where to report {{Wiki Vandal}}s, but Othinn recently vandalized ''{{Engine Sentai Go-onger}}'' at 9:27PM on 20 February, replacing all references to shows he doesn't like with "hack up". Checking his edit history, he did the same thing on ''KamenRider'' at 8:48AM on 19 January, so he's been grinding his axe for a while.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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cg12345: What happened to HowDidWeMissThisOne? Did that get zapped for any particular reason?
{{blackcat}}:[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlewf230efi]] Not zapped.
{{Madrugada}}: Made a non-punctuated redirect for it: HowDidWeMissThisOne
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{{Kizor}}: DominicDeeganDiscussion needs help. See, ''DominicDeegan'''s readership is split: fans find it silly fun until their SuspensionOfDisbelief runs out, at which point many become snarkers and continue to enjoy it for its [[EdWood cheerful, inventive badness]]. The article goes for peaceful coexistence and generally succeeds. I've been the most active snarky editor, MrDeath either incredibly fair-minded or the most active fan.
{{Fawkes}}' valid (if **'d) snarky additions caused DriveByEditor (75.23.214.254) to jump in, do a flurry of edits, and unload on the poor guy on the discussion page. DBE's proven impossible. He decides what other people's motives are on the slightest of evidence, and sees goblins behind every tree. He's hostile, insulting, and overt in his conviction that Fawkes' article edits and talk page messages are deliberate lies.[[hottip:*:"If you ''really'' think you're some kind of Neighborhood Friendly Snarker as supposed to a malicious anti-fan..." "That you popped up here ar TV Tropes with the initial aim to slip as many {{Natter}}ish [[TakeThat Take Thats]] towards the comic as you could mange with no regard as to whether or not the information is ''useful'' only went to strengthen my opinion of you." "Par for the course for a {{Hatedom}} that enjoys "creatively" misinterpreting the comic, but when they try to pass it off as an ''actual'' occurrence, that's going too far." ""Uhh, whatever this thing is! I don't know, but it '''sucks!'''" That's the tone I get from a ''lot'' of the examples I've seen you add over time."]] The mess is about two thirds down the discussion page. (He expresses a similar opinion of me. His deductions get various crucial facts wrong, but I haven't been able to answer them, since doing so and then writing this message before he could reply would be a boophole move.)
Thing is, he's done valid edits on other pages and and added a perfectly reasonable answer to an unrelated matter at the top of the page. He can be reasonable when he's not in Defense Mode, so can we ban him from just DominicDeegan and DominicDeeganDiscussion, or even get an admin to leave a message telling him to stay away? In any case, we can't have someone around who says things like "I fully expect you to delete the edits I'll be making, since it won't be what ''you'' want, however" without provocation. (He changed this when he expanded the comment. Unfortunately, he changed it to "I'll be attempting to do the observation some real justice beyond "this is what the Haters think!!1!" I fully expect you to delete it anyway, though.")
This all happened around the 8th of December: DataVampires have cost me hours. It's still relevant, though, since he's true to his nick and prone to taking matters up again months apart. He previously showed up six months earlier, when he went on about the motives behind an edit of mine until I broke it down and explained how each part was an innocuous housekeeping task.
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{{thatother1dude}}: I keep trying to add something to the ''Bleach'' [[WMG/{{Bleach}} WMG page]], but even though the history and the preview say it worked, none of my edits show up on the actual page. What's wrong?
Jerrik: I think the page is getting too long. I messed around with it, and if you make your entry shorter or delete something else (although that might be kind of rude) you'll be able to add it. The page seems like it needs trimming anyhow.
{{thatother1dude}}: We can at least get rid of the non-joke ones that have been disproven.
FastEddie: Page is just too big. You guys should figure a split or some other way to reduce page length. Edited to add: You'll notice that Jerrik over-struck my edit here. Also, in the WMG/{{Bleach}} article. Not sure why that is happening.
Jerrik: Sorry, I didn't mean for that to happen. I don't know why it did that.
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FoxxPark: My SpySweeper software quarantined my cookie for TVTropes. But I forgot my password. How can i get a new Cookie? I Don't want to change my handle
FastEddie:I'll reset the account. That means you just GetKnown again with the same handle.
FoxxPark: Thank you!
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SylviaSybil: I wanted to start a series page for the book series TheEdge, but that link is currently taken. I've temporarily saved my work under OnTheEdge, the title of the first book, but that won't work as a long term solution. How do we usually resolve it when two works have the same title? And since the movie ''The Edge'' came out thirteen years ago, has a one line description and four examples linked back to it, can I just take the link for the book series?
{{Micah}}: The standard solution to this problem is to use {{Namespace}}s. So your page would be at Literature/TheEdge (markup is [=Literature/TheEdge=]); the other page would either stay in the main namespace (since it was here first) or get moved to Film/TheEdge ([=Film/TheEdge=]), with a disambiguation page put in the main namespace.
SylviaSybil: Thank you! I created a disambiguation page and relinked the film examples to the new link. One more question though: how do I delete the OnTheEdge page I created to hold the book series page temporarily? I guess I don't need to delete it at all but it seems messy to leave it up.
lebrel: List it on the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/CutList.php cutlist]] page.
{{Micah}}: Alternately, just make it a redirect to your series page.
SylviaSybil: Thank you!
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{{Seanette}}: Two questions:
* Any hope of a search-and-replace function in edit mode? Helps with a name that people consistently misspell, since correcting multiple instances one at a time gets kinda tedious.
* Do we still have an IRC channel?
{{Citizen}}: (1) Copy page contents into editor of your choice (Word, Notepad++, whatever). (2) TroperIRCChannel
{{Seanette}}: Must start using the editor option (should probably stick with Notepad to avoid text formatting strangeness), and thanks for the IRC info. I couldn't figure out where it was currently hiding (last I looked for it, it was mentioned either on the home page or in the Troperville menu).
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CALieber: Saw a mistagged page -- I don't remember what it was, I think it was a troper mistagged as an index -- but can no longer fix it. What is the current mechanism, if any, for changing that?
FastEddie: Go to the page you want to fix. Look for the "Set Page Type" button on the Tools menu at the left. That's yer buddy.
CALieber: Thank you. Is there a page or forum I should be looking at to find out about these things as they happen rather than coming in here [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks and griping]]?
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SomeNewGuy: A user by the name of Tabris_Macbeth has made several {{troll}}-heavy posts concerning NipponIchi games, particularly SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters. Normally, this wouldn't be much of an issue, but he's gone out of his way to call NIS fans part of a FanDumb. Should something be done?
FastEddie: Try letting him know in an edit reason that we're not about trolling. If that doesn't do it, we can put in an edit block.
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{{westrim}} I'm sorry I'm late on this; January was a wild (read: laid off parent and classes starting) month. But on the topic of my ban, stated to be for edit warring (which I do not remember, but it's been a while and from a different perspective: was the oddness on the Moe Anthropomorphism and Ensemble Darkhorse pages part of what you were talking about? Because I thought the issue in both cases was lack of communication); is it possible to be reinstated? I've still been editing and reading occasionally through a proxy, but without my watchlist and other resources, and without the site knowing it was me (and thus, unable to judge my conduct.)
If I were reinstated it would be easier on me and you could keep an eye on my conduct. At the very least, could the IP of my friends house (which I can provide if requested) be unbanned? I made a single forum post asking about the issue from their house, and now, they're locked out too.
Is this reasonable, or am I chasing chubacabras?
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{{Triassicranger}}: Do unregistered IP addresses have access to use watchlists?
{{Fighteer}}: Not as far as I know. It wouldn't make sense anyway, since the watchlists are keyed to troper handles.
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{{Zadia}}: I'm pretty sure that we had a page for the band TheDresdenDolls. Now it seems that we don't. Can someone please tell me if we had a page or not, and if we did, can someone please tell me where it's gone?
FastEddie: No record of having cut an article with 'Dresden' in it. Hallucination?:-)
{{Zadia}}: Looks like it. Thanks anyway.
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{{TheUnknown}} I don't if this is the appropriate place for me to ask this question, but this is in regards to creating a new Article. See I found this Web Serial Novel called Arcana Magi and the thing is, the guy who wrote it, is only four chapters into the main story. On top of that, he also wrote a Short Story Trilogy that is set in an alternate timeline. So I don't if A) there is a minimum requirement of chapters to post an Article for Web Serial Novels, and B) I don't know if I should put the main story and the short story trilogy into one article or do like the Start Trek and Gundam Articles make invididual Articles for each story timeline. Any advice on how I should approach this?
FreezairForALimitedTime: Go ahead and make it. Since there probably won't be as many tropes, you can get away with putting them in one article, I think. Remember: The example for NoSuchThingAsNotability is a sprite comic with 7 strips, so limits on "length" are pretty tenuous here.
{{TheUnknown}} Thank you. I'm gonna give it a shot.
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{{sithlordservo}} Which came first: The accursed, evil DarthWiki or the wonderful, sweet SugarWiki?
{{Glowsquid}}: Darth Wiki.
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{{Jordan}}: As kind of a joke, I made MidoriNoHibi as a SugarWiki version of {{Parasyte}}, but I may have messed up. Not sure how to fix it, and I guess I should have asked permission before doing that. I'd appreciate some help fixing it.
{{Citizen}}: '''Don't do that.''' Removed the redirect.
{{Jordan}}: I apologize. Thanks for fixing that. I got the idea from a similar page for ''WelcomeToTheNHK'', but I won't do that again without asking first. Thanks again.
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WildKnight: Quick question about alphabetizing protocol: Sometimes, people use potholes to make trope names relate a little more to the work. When potholing a trope this way (for example, potholing the "trope" Sexy Nuns to NaughtyNuns, like so: [=[[NaughtyNuns Sexy Nuns]]=]), do you alphabetize by the original trope name or the "new" name? Sorry if this isn't very clear, I'm not quite sure how to phrase it, but the aforementioned example is at MassEffect if you want to check it out.
{{Madrugada}}: Personally, in that example, I'd get rid of the pothole altogether.
FastEddie: That consideration aside, you would alphabetize by the visible words.
WildKnight: Okay, thanks.
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{{Mullon}}: In the CutList, how would I type in a review section?
{{Madrugada}}: You can't cutlist a review section. It's generated automatically when a page is tagged as "a work" or "a creator or person". If there's a particular review that you think should be cut, post a link to it and one of the mods or admins will take a look and decide.
{{Mullon}}: Nah, I was just thinking that MonsterClown having a review section seemed silly.
{{Ronka87}}: It was incorrectly labeled a "work" when should be a trope. Changed now. Good catch.
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Yappydog: Is there an index for OEL Manga at all? Putting it in {{Manga}} alone seems likely to cause trouble, but ComicBooks alone doesn't seem to quite get it right either. As such, several such articles conclude in a request for indexing. Suggestions?
{{blackcat}} You can suggest an index for this on YKTTW, listing the articles that ask for this index would help, so would a snappy title.
lebrel: I'd suggest having all manga listed in {{Manga}}, as its medium, and then in such other indexes as are applicable; an OELManga index would be quite welcome.
Yappydog: Right-o. Soon as I get some time, I'll start putting a list together. Snappy but clear titling is going to be harder, though...
lebrel: It's an index. OriginalEnglish-LanguageManga or OELManga or OELMangaIndex. Incidentally, the existing pages for OEL tnhat I can think of offhand: {{Dramacon}}, MaximumRide, AmazingAgentLuna, TheDreaming, DogbyWalksAlone, AoiHouse, and the manga version of MDGeist.
Yappydog: Thanks a lot for some excellent examples. YKTTW entry created: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=u41ebc8hdom59v6ubbi4wv1q Permalink]]
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Gemmifer: Why does the link for the fanfic recs for DGrayMan not show up on it's main entry?
PaulA: It's because the main entry is "D.Gray-Man" and the fanfic recs entry is "D Gray Man"; the main entry looks for and fails to find a fanfic recs entry with the same title as itself. To anticipate your next question, the reason it appears to work the other way around is that when the fanfic recs entry looks, it finds DGrayMan, which is actually a redirect.
Gemmifer: I see.
PaulA: In principle, you could fix it by making {{FanficRecs.ptitlej8ixspaskltm}} a redirect to {{FanficRecs.DGrayMan}} -- but whether that would be ''a good idea'', I'm not sure.
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MrDeath: Can we come up with a standard policy for listing tropes, whether they should be either
* TropeName: Blahblahblah
* TropeName - Blahblahblah
* TropeName (Blahblahblah)
Cuz I keep seeing whole pages worth being converted from one to the other, and it's just inconsistent all around.
{{Fighteer}}: There have been numerous forum threads about this. The only real rule is that the example formatting be consistent within the page. If it's been written with hyphens, then it's impolite to suddenly start using colons. If it's mixed, then generally someone will come along who feels strongly one way or the other and make all the examples consistent. Nothing to stress over.
FastEddie: Also see ExampleIndentationInTropeLists.
MrDeath: Fair enough. I'm not really stressed over it, it just gets a little annoying when I'm checking the history and I have to scroll past the entire page twice to get to the other edits.
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JackButler: What's the policy on Trope Titles that use derogatory racial/religious epithets? I mean, the trope itself is legitimate, but the Title the writer of the YKTTW is planning on using a slur as part of the title. What's the policy on that?
{{Fighteer}}: See OurSuperStrictLanguagePolicy.
JackButler: Okey doke. I'll sit back and repeat the MST3KMantra to myself and just not visit that page, then.
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ninjacrat: Our lovably inept essay-service spammer is back as David11 94.248.84.156.
FastEddie: Block installed. Thanks for spotting it.
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SomeSortOfTroper: {{Ronin}} keeps launching and then not crafting the page. I asked and apparently he believes that you don't have to which ignores the fact that people generally don't do it themselves and it is possible that a launch could just drop off the bottom and be lost forever, people's contributions going with it. The fact is that some people just might not know about the launch list and nearly everybody thinks that the launcher is actually going to make the page. There's not really much point in just pressing the launch button and then not doing anything with the page. It just takes the page and then puts it somewhere harder to get to while preventing anyone from contributing to the YKTTW further. He gave me some happy-clappy bull about all our different roles o the wiki but I suspect there may be some dick swinging with trying to claim a trope and name it himself. Not a ban level muck up but it may be more effective if he got a more official or hive mind rebuke.
FastEddie: I took away the launch button for Ronin.
lebrel: So does this mean that his launches are up for grabs and we can make the corresponding pages?
FastEddie: I'd say so.
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UnknownTroper: Requesting some moderation at TheSalvationWar page. We've got an Unknown repeatedly removing content that's been restored by no fewer than ''five'' other tropers (myself, another unknown, and three knowns). The Unknown is refusing to listen or to take the discussion to the talk page, and is continuing the edit war.
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{{Madrugada}}: Requesting a wiki-edit ban on miru (70.134.86.225). (S)he started [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=v7e0tod60s939fuz21ilxj1s&page=1#19 a thread]] in the forums proposing that the Comics and Western Animation categories should be merged because anime and manga were, and despite quite a few people saying "No", has, as of January 23, declared "The project begins NOW!". There's been one change made, and repaired, so perhaps (s)he's thought better of it, but... Also made the page TheAustralianEasternWesternTropeWar simply to snipe at PaulA and cast "an anonymous Troper (Miru) as a put-upon victin of an edit war.
FastEddie: Not sure I followed all that. However ... {{Madrugada}} wants block {{Madrugada}} gets block. My life is pretty simple.
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{{Aminatep}}: How to right-align a piece of text?
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JackButler: Goldfritha 64.148.25.34 has apparently decided to begin an edit war over NoHeroToHisValet. He is the previously mentioned single objector. Is there any way to stop him from reverting the change continually?
{{Madrugada}}: Goldfritha was not the only objector. There were three objections to what you proposed before you made the change. You didn't really address any of them, cherry-picked off one which said "cutlist it"; responding that you didn't think it needed cutlisting, that rewriting it would suffice; then rewrote it.
JackButler: There were no objections to address until '''''after''''' the change was made, and I have done my best to address the objections since they were brought up. There was hardly any input received at all when I originally proposed the rewrite. All of the fuss started when people apparently "suddenly" realized I was serious and moved to object ''after'' I waited for input and got none.
I specifically stated my plan to move the examples that fit other tropes to those other tropes and rewrite NoHeroToHisValet, asked for input from the tropers, and then waited for input for two weeks, during which time I got ''absolutely '''no''' response at all''. I then asked for advice on how to proceed (see below), and then acted on that advice when it was given. While I was waiting for advice, I received input from {{Moocow}}, who stated that I was correct about FeetOfClay and NoHeroToHisValet; from KnownUnknown who apparently didn't understand my idea about the name, but did say I was correct about the nature of the trope and ''supported the split''; from {{Fighteer}}, who said that it looked like it was "acting like a supertrope"; and from {{blackcat}}, who at first said that the description was "badly written" and "needs a lot of work", and suggested cutlisting NoHeroToHisValet, but then later said he supported the rewrite when I defended the trope's existence. So I had two people agreeing that it needed to be split and rewritten, one person saying it needed cutlisting or else rewritten, and another whose comments I read as agreeing with the idea that NoHeroToHisValet was overbroad. And then FastEddie said that if I've at least given people the chance to give input, and I still thought there was a problem, to go ahead with the rewrite. So I went ahead with the rewrite. And now, after the rewrite occurred, you guys are suddenly standing up and implying I did all of this under the table.
I'm not trying to be a butt-head here. I'm not trying to step on people's toes. But I do resent the implication that I was somehow sneaking around behind everyone's backs.
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WildKnight: IP address 189.244.18.197 has twice messed with the TalesOfTheAbyss page by apparently letting their hate for [[TheScrappy Anise]] override all common sense. Both were easily reverted (they just changed the picture caption to something nonsensical and tossed in ridiculous amounts of natter), but it'd be nice if they could be cut off at the pass next time.
FastEddie: Edit ban installed for that page for that IP.
WildKnight: Thank ye.
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{{Glowsquid}}: Some guy called wit is [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Kyothine?action=diff vandalising]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AirshipCanon?action=diff contributor]] pages and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VocaloidDiscussion?action=diff being]] a petty dick to other tropers.
FastEddie: Hard block installed.
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JackButler: Procedural question. You've found [[NoHeroToHisValet a trope page]] that, in its own writeup, admits that its actually three separate tropes combined in one (the write-up actually mentions "Type One is ThisOtherTrope, Type Two is ThisSecondTrope, and Type Three is the trope most appropriate to the name..." and so on). You've posted something to the forums about splitting off the Type Ones and Twos to the appropriate ''already existing'' trope pages and rewriting the page so it reflects only the Type Threes, but the response to your posting is anemic at best. What do you do next if you still think the trope page needs fixing, but you don't want to break any rules doing it?
FastEddie: "Anemic" may mean nobody has an issue with it. As long as you've given out the notice that the change is coming and folks have had a ''chance'' to respond ... go for it.
JackButler: So far, only one person has expressed an objection. Otherwise, the idea has been met with a general attitude of "You know, you're right." So the rewrite's been done, the examples moved, and all is right with the world, I guess. Thanks, Eddie.
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{{Triassicranger}}: Motion to block IP address 58.166.100.130 due to the following vandalism on DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck : continual adding of justifying edits (which is forbidden) and deleting entries solely because he disagrees with them (which is also forbidden) and rude behaviour.
FastEddie: Personal attacks are enough.
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{{McJeff}}: We've got a BluenoseBowdlerizer troper, TimLikesMusic. He's been active on {{Hatedom}}, I haven't seen him anywhere else yet, but this needs to be dealt with.
FastEddie: Didn't see a pattern, when looking at edit history. Just the one thing in Hatedom.
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{{Triassicranger}}: I noticed something funny yesterday (Sunday). Someone (I think it was DoomTay) had made an edit to the WildMassGuessing page on WMG/{{Arthur}}. When I went to check the history, I couldn't see his edit, just a list of previous edits. Now today (Monday) I notice {{Medicus}} has made an edit, and I can't view DoomTay's. What's going on?
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{{Jordan}}: If I wanted to get an avatar image and caption to use in the Forums, how would I go about doing that?
{{blackcat}}: go to the forum page [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/topics.php here]] hit the edit your profile button and follow the directions.
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{{JET73L}}: How do you redirect to a page in a namespace? (Which reminds me: Could someone with the proper authority ''please'' remove the freakin' redirect from [=Main/Serenity=] to Firefly so the as yet nonexistent [=Manga/Serenity=] and, if necessary, [=Film/Serenity=] pages can [[NeedsMoreLove get more love]]?) I know it can be done, because of all the redirects to the DarthWiki and SugarWiki pages, but cannot figure out or find instructions for how to get a redirect to accept a location with a / in.
{{Fighteer}}: You do it like this: \[\[redirect:\{\{Film/Serenity\}\}\]\] (ugh, why aren't the escapes working? Just remove the backslashes. And to remove the existing redirect, click the link to the page ({{Main/Serenity}}), then when you get redirected, there's a link to edit the source page above the Alt Titles bar on the destination. I could remove it myself but not until the new pages are launched.
{{JET73L}}: Oh, so Redirects just don't show up in previews. I thought I was doing something completely wrong. Thank you!
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WascallyWabbit: Okay this is just wierd. BigDamnMovie now apparently acts as a random page button when accessed through a google search. Why? How? And how do we get the page back?
{{Fighteer}}: Possibly an accidental redirect? [[http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-6610802604051523%3A2szln92pqym&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=big+damn+movie Courtesy link]] to the search in question. The Google spider should fix it eventually.
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MrDeath: Some jackass at [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=165.155.208.90 165.155.208.90]] has been vandalizing pages. Among other things, he inserted random gibberish into {{Shrek}} and a link to the non-existent trope "StupidFuckingChristians".
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{{shadowgirl13_chaos}}: Help! I'm trying to bluelink "squeeing" to Squee, but it won't link! How do you do that? I'm (obviosly) a newer Troper.
PaulA: "[={{squee}}ing=]" ought to do it: {{squee}}ing
{{Fighteer}}: See TextFormattingRules.
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{{Tannhaeuser}}: What happened to AWolfInSheepsClothing? Cut for some reason?
PaulA: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/showcuts.php Recent Cuts page]] says:
-->[=SomeGuy: Bare-bones page with one example, two if we're stretching it. Has made no real progress in the two months it has been around. There is a Trope Repair topic requesting clarification on the definition. This is a perfect case study of something that should have been put through YKTTW first but for some unknown reason was not.=]
[[{{Tannhaeuser}} Tann]]: Ah, thanks. Bone-headed of me not to have looked on RecentCuts, but so agree with the sentiment expressed, that I am glad my bone-headedness gave it further publicity.
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CrypticMirror: I'm not sure why, but for some reason the bottom of my contributor's page has acquired some sort of index link to ''Ranma 1/2'' and the ''Terminator'' fanfic page. Does anyone know why?
{{Fighteer}}: The Fanfic Recs pages are listed as indexes, but they have contributor names in them under bullets, which causes the indexer to pick them up. See HowIndexingWorks for more info. Those pages need a major rework.\\
Okay, fixed it by taking the Index flag off of [[{{FanficRecs/Terminator}} FanficRecs/Terminator]].
CrypticMirror: Thanks. I just can't get to grips with the new indexing thingie at all.
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CALieber: Were a bunch of threads removed from the forum recently? The discussion for the revision of InformedJudaism seems to be gone.
FastEddie: Yup.
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[[AC:New items at the top, please.]]
''last batch removed 1 Jan 10''
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<<|TropeTalk|>>
If you want to propose a new trope, use YKTTW; if you're looking for a particular trope, try LostAndFound. For a discussion on a particular topic, head over to the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/topics.php Forum]] instead.
[[AC:New items at the top, please. ...But underneath this line.]]
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{{macroscopic}}: Editor at 174.121.24.57 has reverted all the {{natter}}swabbing I did (and in fact all my edits) at TheHumanCentipede. Seriously? That shit is gross, I didn't have to ''read'' that page, much less clean it up.
FastEddie: Edit block installed for 174.121.24.57.
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ExplodingFrogs: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=66.229.247.108 This guy]] keeps spamming various badly formatted, poorly justified, redundant, and sparsely detailed profiles (mostly One Piece characters, but a few others as well) to the TropePantheons section. (And to add insult to injury, he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of new entries going at the bottom of the page.) He's been asked to stop numerous times via edit reasons, but over the course of several months shows no sign of doing so. Help, please?
FastEddie: Edit block installed for 66.229.247.108.
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SomeNewGuy: User sovvil2008@yahoo.co.uk 78.147.229.232 keeps removing valid entries from the ChaoticEvil and ChaoticNeutral pages to fit his skewed standards. He also, several months ago, vandalized the LawfulEvil page by removing the valid "type 1, type 2" distinction, again to suit his standards. Help?
FastEddie: Edit block installed for 78.147.229.232.
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PkMario: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Mander This guy]] is vandalizing certain pages.
FastEddie: IP block installed.
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{{Mullon}}: Why is the HeterosexualLifePartners page wider than any other page?
{{blackcat}}: This is a total guess but I bet it is because of the size of the picture. I don't know how to fix it either.
{{Micah}}: It was the picture--it's because the markup said [=[[quoteright:237:...]]=], but the picture is 365 pixels wide, so it should say [=[[quoteright:365:...]]=]. I fixed it...
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DickRichardson - Just wondering, would it be possible to install a "revert" button for edits? Hell of a lot easier to paste/cut in the event of a vandalism aftermath.
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EtherealMutation: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=66.213.89.3 This guy]] keeps writing hostile attacks at some random fanfiction writer/artist on various pages. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=70.244.41.85 This guy]] deletes them. I don't know the details of or care about this feud, so I'll leave it up to administrator fiat if one or both gets blocked.
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ImpaledJanus: I'm having issues with [[It/{{ptitlem1zp2cg0}} Cecità Al Genere]]. However I write it, the word "Al" is not capitalized. Is there a way to fix this?
FastEddie: It's fixed now.
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CrypticMirror: Troper {{Anaheyla}} has been removing StatlerAndWaldorf examples whenever he comes across them and has stated on the page history.
-->"The only reason I haven't gone through all of the listed pages and removed them is because I'm too lazy to remove them from any page other than the ones I actually visit."
I don't want to get into an edit war over this, I've already replaced them and had them removed once. Can anything be done?
FastEddie: Some example pages?
CrypticMirror:
* OutOfOrder
* EvilOverlord
* Series/DoctorWho
On the StatlerAndWaldorf index's page history his full comment on why he intends to do it is:
-->"I keep deleting their stuff because they serve no purpose and seem to exist only to make really really retarded jokes about Tv Tropes completely unrelated to the subject at hand. The only reason I haven't gone through all of the listed pages and removed them is because I'm too lazy to remove them from any page other than the ones I actually visit. :P "
Which kinda misses the point of JustForFun stuff. I note that on his contributer page he self describes as a JerkAss...
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PressXToJason, what? I think someone based that off of a line from the LoveItOrHateIt page. It's barebones, and has no apparent YKTTW.
LooneyToons: Send it to the CutList, then.
I'm unregistered.
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{{Triassicranger}}: Motion to block IP address 70.92.173.24 for using the DethroningMomentOfSuck DethroningMoment/WebOriginal page to complain about an entire work. He has been informed repeatedly what he is doing wrong and refuses to listen.
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[=Klaudandus=]: We've been having some issue over at the TransformersAllHailMegatron page. 220.233.23.38 is close to an editing war over a specific trope (VillainSue) and has repeatedly ignored the discussion page where that point has been already discussed. Please advice.
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{{Chabal 2}} Not sure if this is where one reports this, but there are two TroperTales for IDidntMeanToTurnYouOn (one's the punctuated title): [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroperTales/IDidntMeanToTurnYouOn here]] and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroperTales/Ptitlez52cxo3o here]]. The TroperTales button from the main page leads to the punctuated page.
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AnonymousCoward: Since I don't have a log-in (long story short, college ISP hates me and TV Tropes and for some reason I haven't been noticed for using proxies yet, and proxies have a distinct hatred for GettingKnown) and I can't take this to the forums, someone vandalized the SchoolDays page, deleting legit tropes without any reason.
This is why I wish we had a "Revert Edit" option like Wikia.
FastEddie: repaired, I think. And IP banned.
PaulA: Your ISP also hates é, apparently.
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UnknownTroper: Wait, are tropes organised like this?
* ASimplePlan
* AbnormalAmmo
* LargeHam
* TheKirk
* TheissTitillationTheory
or like this, with the trope titles organised without definite or indefinite articles? I always assumed the latter. (Note: not referring to works titles, only trope examples)
* AbnormalAmmo
* TheKirk
* LargeHam
* ASimplePlan
* TheissTitillationTheory
FastEddie: Right. The second one.
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[[KoR K.o.R]]: None of my images are showing up in the Images List, either by filename or by my handle. They're still on the server but not visible to the software apparently. This is troubling as I can't remember one of the filenames which I want to add to a page.
FastEddie: Huh. Seems to be working for everyone else. When did you upload it?
K.o.R: Oh yonks ago (certainly before some of the new shiny tech was added here). I checked by searching for Citizen's pictures and only got about a dozen when I know there's close to 100 from him/her.
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LooneyToons: I just noticed -- fanfic recommendations no longer have discussion pages? Is this intentional/correct? (If so, we need to change all the pages that say to take natter and debate to the page's discussion page.)
CrypticMirror: Pages are still there for me, the discussion icon is one line up from the other icons though. What browser are you using? I'm on the latest firefox.
LooneyToons: I'm on [=SeaMonkey=] 2.0.4. And I'm going back and looking -- and I'm seeing discussion icons on ''some'' pages, but not all. For instance, for me at least, FanficRecs/NeonGenesisEvangelion has one, but FanficRecs/BuffyTheVampireSlayer ''doesn't.'' Of the pages in my watchlist, Buffy, FanficRecs/SuzumiyaHaruhi, FanficRecs/MegaCrossover, FanficRecs/SailorMoon, FanficRecs/MahouSenseiNegima, FanficRecs/SakuraTaisen, FanficRecs/{{Mai-HiME}}, FanficRecs/AllPurposeCulturalCatGirlNukuNuku, FanficRecs/RevolutionaryGirlUtena, and FanficRecs/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld all are missing the icon (although they have the discuss button, I just realized). <spends a couple minutes futzing about> Ah, I got it! The speech bubble icon only displays if there is a "new style" discussion in place for the page. Otherwise you need to press the blue text button to create one.
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LooneyToons: A note to FastEddie -- TropeEntryTemplate, which is no longer editable, needs to have the line
->The subtropes should use this trope's name as the Index Page Wiki Word in their navigation bar.
modified to fit the new indexing scheme. Also, the paragraph
->In a few rare cases, one trope page holds two different entries, usually because the trope name is the same as a program name. In this case they are handled as if they were dictionary entries, with a '''boldface''' "1." starting the first, "2." starting the second, and so on, with their own navigation bars and a horizontal rule between the separate entries. See WeirdScience for an example.
probably needs to go -- WeirdScience isn't split any more, and I think recent reorganizations to the wiki have completely obviated the need for this kind of advice.
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{{Madrugada}}: MrCleaverhook (86.136.49.50) vandalizing TroperTales pages. Blanked TroperTales/ReallyGetsAround; added a TakeThat to the top of TroperTales/NobleDemon and removed entries; deleted entries from TroperTales/BadassBookworm; Added TakeThat to the start of TroperTales/OmnicidalManiac. I know the contents of those pages are cruft anyway, but it's still vandalism.
SomeSortOfTroper: Diagnosis: "Somebody on the internet isn't cool!" rage, leading to JerkAss behaviour. It may be meaningless but it ain't functionless and if somebody acts this way in response to not getting what something is about, not somebody we want. Suggested treatment: ban. Do you concur, doctor?
FastEddie: IP block installed.
LooneyToons: It looks like he might be back as "NotSuperman 72.205.253.126".
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{{Ultimatum}} : I was doing some searching about and I clicked on a link to a particular discussion page and ' Sorry, this discussion is private' came up, I've never had this before and I was wondering why this is?
{{Madrugada}}: It would help if you'd identify the page.
{{Ultimatum}} http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=9crt9khnxvo50sy9bp8arurs&page=1
FastEddie: That's on the mod board.
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UnknownTroper: BiasSteamroller examples. I'm sorry, but I don't really see the point.
{{Madrugada}}: What about them?
UnknownTroper: What about them is that it's primarily thinly-veiled {{Complaining}}. I can see how the page is kept, but I don't understand why examples can go.
{{Madrugada}} They've been cleaned up. Examples on BiasSteamroller should be cases where the critic has essentially said "I don't like this [genre, convention, style, etc.] and therefore I will slam any work that uses it, simply ''because'' the work uses it."
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{{Chabal 2}}: The icon for Synopsis is the same as Trivia, is that normal? Also, how do you fix images thzt don't show up (something involving typing static)?
{{Madrugada}}: For the images that don't show up, you need to change the url of the image from [=http://tvtropes...=] to [=http://static.tvtropes...=]
{{Chabal 2}}: Done, thanks.
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josh6243: should I remove this from Horrible.{{Anime}} or not?
->[=*A certain Pokemon manga was canceled for being to explicit for national standards in a nation where you can buy porn in vending machines. The fact that it was a sucky attempt to cash in on a popular fad was just icing on the cake. More details. [[http://www.pokemonsux.com/manga.shtml here]].=]
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{{Chabal 2}}: I wanted to make a page for the new RobinHood movie, but Film/RobinHood redirects to the Disney version. Since Disney/RobinHood also links to it, how/can I go about getting the Film/RobinHood to refer to the 2010 film?
MasoTey: Disney/RobinHood and Film/RobinHood seem to be seperate pages, rather than one being a redirect to the other, meaning Film/RobinHood is redundant anyway and could be used for the new movie. Of course some links would have to be changed, plus there's a risk of losing information if the pages aren't identical, though they seem pretty close. Alternately, it could go under Robin Hood 2010.
{{Madrugada}}: the [=Film/RobinHood=] page should simply be a list of the various films; each one should have its own page in the Film/ namespace, differentiated somehow (by Lead actor would be my suggestion , so the latest one would be [=~RobinHood-Crowe~=].)
MrDeath: Then again, how many of the films are just ''called'' "RobinHood" without a subtitle or other title? (Also, you don't need to ptitle {{RobinHood-Crowe}}.)
PaulA: It looks like {{Disney.RobinHood}} was cloned from {{Film.RobinHood}} only a couple of days ago, and there have been no changes to {{Film.RobinHood}} since then that haven't also been made to {{Disney.RobinHood}}.
On the title question: IMDB lists eight films with the exact title ''Robin Hood'': the Crowe, the Fairbanks, the Disney (which is an argument against using the lead actor for disambiguation -- who would see {{RobinHood-Bedford}} and think "Ah, the Disney version"?), two 1910s silent films, two short cartoons, and a 1998 short film I've never heard of. (The Flynn is ''Film/{{The Adventures of Robin Hood}}''.) Also four TV movies, if those count: the Bergin, a RichLittle-plays-everybody, an animated, and a Finnish (both "made in Finland" and "in Finnish").
MasoTey: There remains the possibility of treating the films sequentially on a single page (excluding those with slightly different titles, as well as the Disney, which is nicely tucked away in its own namespace). But if each film is to have its own page, disambiguated in the title, surely years are the way to go. Years are completely objective (as is actor-disambiguation in ''this'' case -- but not in all cases!); they are all about equally memorable (sidestepping the {{Robin Hood-Bedford}} problem); and they're already being used on this wiki (e.g., FlashForward2009).
{{Chabal 2}}: Okay, launching as RobinHood2010 then.
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MarqFJA: PrettySmartForAHottie, which has been cut some long while ago for ill-defined nature and not having gone through a proper YKTTW process, still shows up on IndexIndex and in the index bar(s) of several tropes (e.g. GoodLookingPrivates). Something needs to be done.
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MrDeath: Just out of curiosity, why're demotivators suddenly banned?
TriggerLoaded: {{Madrugada}} and FastEddie explain the primary reasons [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=s5qxj3xxblr5w9fjkgmbv82j&page=1#20 here.]] EDIT: Earlier, Madrugada explains that it's only the Demotivator style that's being purged. You're allowed to take out the actual image in the demotivator and apply the text as a caption.
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{{Madrugada}}: Vandal is back. AMereServantofGod 12.180.26.106 has run his bowdlerizer script on May 18th. The damage has been fixed.
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Tnu1138: I'm a bit confused on the proper usage of ThisTroper. where and when is it meant to be used?
TriggerLoaded: In short: Never. For TroperTales, use your own handle. In the actual Trope or Work pages, make the changes, don't add {{Natter}} and {{Justifying Edit}}s, and you don't need to personally attest to it.
ThisTroper[[hottip:*: oh all right CrypticMirror]] heartily agrees, in {{This Troper}}'s opinion it was overused far too much.
MasoTey: Perhaps it's going a bit far to deprecate the use of This Troper in TroperTales. Personally, I use it there because I wish to share my experiences ''without'' linking people back to my user page all the time; my identity does not seem very important there, and I don't see that my tales gain anything from being linked to it. And quite a lot of other people pothole their user names under This Troper, perhaps for similar reasons. It is, at worst, a harmless affectation; at best, it actively works to keep ego out of the wiki.
{{Micah}}: Even if you don't want to link your username in TroperTales, why not just say "I"?
MasoTey: Because -- though admittedly it varies from page to page -- third person seems to be a convention here. It's a convention I like for some reason, so I have no problem with perpetuating it.
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MorganWick: What's up with the descriptions next to the icons for WMG, Just Bugs Me, and the like?
TriggerLoaded: New changes so the icons are more noticeable and user-friendly. Most people seem to like them, as noted in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=hvffshwp2xharjyz0ao380e8&page=1 this forum topic.]]
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{{Jordan}}: I was wondering about the PaulRobinson quotes on some pages. I see he made himself the page quote for NoPartyLikeADonnerParty and the TurnerDiaries, and when I was going to make this comment in the past, the same was true for TrueArtIsOffensive (now his quote is merely on the quotes page). I've always been bothered by his entry-pimping, so I wondered about deleting those quotes, or at least moving them to the quotes page instead.
{{Madrugada}}: I moved it to the Quotes page, more because it's confusing than because it was self-pimping.
{{Jordan}}: Thanks. I also see FastEddie removed the quote from the TurnerDiaries page (and made further fixes).
FastEddie: Yeah, Paul Robinson copied in his own blog post on the topic, then quoted himself. Little ego situation, there. No problem with people promoting their ''work''. Promoting ''yourself'', though ... tacky.
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Larfleeze: Would anyone care to stop by the JohnCena page? There's a bit of an edit war going on and if I'm in the wrong I'd like to know. I don't think I am but these two guys (67.64.118.31) and (58.168.56.45) keep deleting a CMOA entry for a really bad reason that they can't back up.
{{Madrugada}}: Since Crowning Moments are ''by definition'' subjective, they're rarely worth fighting over on a a works page. Better to move it to the appropriate Crowning Moments Page, in this case, CrowningMoment/ProfessionalWrestling. Since there are already 4 entries, moving all of them would be a very wise choice.
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TheOneWhoTropes: me, SomeNewGuy and a number of others have been deleting a quite offensive comment on the Franchise/DragonAge page by a Troper who calls themself {{Heart}}. And they keep putting it back up. "Only a video game" doesn't justify the negative vindictiveness of that comment.
Jerrik: {{Heart}} seems to have moved the comment to the Just Bugs Me page. So problem solved, I guess?
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{{melloncollie}}: Not sure what the heck is going on in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=856#listtop this Avatar review]], wasn't sure if I should report it. I'm kinda wishing that this sort of idiocy doesn't repeat itself elsewhere.
{{blackcat}}: Oh boy oh boy oh boy, I think it needed to be reported because I hate seeing that kind of stuff too. The review is not great but the comments are worse.
{{Madrugada}}: Thank you for reporting it. It's looks like the review was considerably more bitter and bile-filled at first, but it has been rewritten. I've deleted all the comments. The review is subjective, but then, reviews are.
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MrDeath: We've got a [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=vampy desperate, deluded shipper]] {{Single Issue Wonk}}ing about the OfficialCouple of FinalFantasyVII. So far every single edit except one that s/he has made has been trying to enforce the [[WordOfGod officially]] [[ShipSinking shot down]] Cloud/Aerith ship. Anything we can do about this?
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{{LimeTH}}: Is there a page detailing how to add pictures to trope pages?
{{blackcat}}: Have you looked at ImagesInWikiPages?
FastEddie: Edit ban installed.
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SomeNewGuy: Can we ''please'' ban Tabris Macbeth? Literally all of his edits have been shoving his warped opinions on the pages and insulting those who disagree.
{{blackcat}}: I am curious, ''where'' are all of his edits? [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=TabrisMacbeth His edit page is blank.]]
PaulA: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Tabris_Macbeth Here.]] Although his contributor page is TabrisMacbeth, his editor name is Tabris_Macbeth.
{{blackcat}} Ahhhh. Yep. That's a problem.
{{Glowsquid}}: For examples of what SomeNewGuy said, there's his edits [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Harvester?action=diff here]] and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SurprisinglyImprovedSequel?action=diff&minor=&more=Y here]] (a bit further down the history).
{{blackcat}}: I think that the "Edit ban installed" note from FastEddie on the entry above this one was actually in response to this notice. It makes no sense up there, but I wasn't going to move it. (He doesn't exactly scare me but I won't poke him with a stick either.)
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{{Madrugada}}: Vandalism alert: AMereServantOfGod 12.180.26.106; Bowdlerizing.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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* Tnu1138: why are some namespace's not properly linked? CrowningMoments, Funny, Fetish Fuel, WMG, JustBugsMe /Film, they are all properly linked to the main articles that share rthe name. but for example Literature is nowhere to be fou ndon such bars
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ninjacrat: There's some edit warrior at WMG/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi who is persistently making very... strange edits. I've done my best to explain how the spoiler/non-spoiler split works and why some of the things they're requesting don't make much sense, but it doesn't seem to getting through.
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{{Komodin}}: The user, Kahran042, just tried to blank the RealWomenNeverWearDresses page, for a poorly explained resaon.
FastEddie: IP block installed. That page is chock full of natter, though. Some excision ''is'' needed.
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{{randomguy9}}: Someone at IP address 208.65.83.84 blanked the page for {{Felarya}}.
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MetaFour: It seems that the javascript or something is not working right with Firefox. Folders and hottips won't expand (in the wiki; the hottips in the forum work fine), and the buttons like "New Edits" at the top of the page won't work. This only started happening today, after that period where the pages took forever to load. Again, this is just with Firefox 3.6.3 on a Mac; I'm not having these problems with Safari.
PaulA: For what it's worth, I'm not having any trouble in Firefox 3.0.11 on a PC.
FastEddie: Clear the cache. Sounds like you have a corrupted copy of the main javascript file.
MetaFour: It's working now.
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DyingWillKirby: I want to change the title for the page of a series to one of its redirects. This is because the current title isn't actually the name of the series in any form. More can be seen [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=wu31jn0gzc5b4jlphcbzp5m2&page=1 at this forum page]]. How exactly would I go about changing a title? I thought I'd ask here, since no one's been answering in the forums.
{{Citizen}}: Click the wiki links to each redirect, click the "Redirected from" links at the top right to edit them, copy the page over, change all redirects (and the original page) to point to new destination, and use the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/GashBell related links search]] (change the URL to point to each page) to find and correct all links, as appropriate. And that's only after you're '''sure''' you've gotten agreement on the change.
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{{Mullon}}: How come the indexes don't appear at the bottom of the ''SpongeBobSquarepants'' page?
CrypticMirror: The article is on a redirect from the link on the WesternAnimation index.
{{Mullon}}: Oh. Is there a way to fix it?
MasoTey: Out of curiosity, why is it a ptitle?
{{blackcat}}: Fixed. I think it is a ptitle because of the internal capitalization in the name. The markup is [=[[{ptitle}} name of trope]]=] when formatting
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{{Rogue 7}}: I really shouldn't have to be asking questions like this after, what, 2+ years on this wiki...
How do you excise a redirect? I'm attempting to split up the Characters/ShinMegamiTensei character sheets, and a lot of them already have redirects (Characters/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne, Characters/{{Persona 4}}, etc) to the main Characters/ShinMegamiTensei page. Trying to manually enter the page into the URL bar doesn't work.
CrypticMirror: Just go to the original page and click on the redirect information it's a link that'll take you to the edit page screen of the redirected link. If you see what I mean.
{{Rogue 7}}: Well, don't I feel stupid. Thanks.
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{{HalfLight}}: I am new to Wiki Editing and have been searching around the forum for instructions on how to create a {{FanFic}} page to add to the Troper Works page. I think I've got it right, but I want to be sure. I think that I have to add the link first, and then click on that Red Link and start editing the page. Is this correct? Thank you!
'''ETA:''' How exactly do I add my Trope Page to the Contributors index? I've looked for the edit button, but I couldn't find one.
FastEddie. Right. Make a link like FanFic.FicTitle and click that bad boy. Off you go. Be sure to add the title to the TroperWorks index. Same deal for your contributor page, but even simpler. Click this one: Tropers.HalfLight and fill that dude out. Look on the Tools menu at the left for the "set page type" button when you are done. Set that page to "contributor." The system will pick that it is a contributor page, add you to the list, and mark your page with the contributor banner.
HalfLight: So I can create the link anywhere? I don't have to create it in a specific place? Got it. Thank you!
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TriggerLoaded: A troper named {{Libris}} (80.9.169.210) created the page JaufreRudelsSyndrome. He did place it in YKTTW, but then launched it without waiting for a reply at all. That's not the bad part. He's now guarding the page by keeping it perpetually locked out, and is reverting grammar edits. Probably feels he owns the page.
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{{macroscopic}}: Found a spammer with the handle [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=srakonda srakonda.]] Edit: also [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=117.199.182.26 117.199.182.26.]]
FastEddie: Blocks installed. Thanks for the heads up.
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I'm a lazy ass and UnknownTroper who doesn't feel like [[strike:registering]] getting known. Shouldn't all those elimination games in the Video Games and Film belong in oh I don't know, Forum ''Games''? Not all discussion has to be completely serious, but why would outright forum games belong in a discussion forum instead of there?
{{blackcat}}: It would be helpful if you provided a link to the problem page.
{{Madrugada}}: He's talking about the forums. And to be brutally honest, if he's unwilling to get known so he can take part in the forums, his opinions on how they should be run are utterly without value.
{{blackcat}}: True dat.
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SomeSortOfTroper: So UT 97.88.244.78 keeps using this page {{Feltbeat}} for what looks like a sandbox. Since they are an UnknownTroper I can't PM them, another other method to point them in the direction of the WikiSandbox.
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Leanan: If someone's disrupting mini-roleplays in the Forum Games by ignoring both forum rules and gently-given advice? What do we do? Both mods and admonitions from myself have been sent to the person in question, so what do I do?
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CrypticMirror: For some reason the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/Narnia fanfic reccomendations]] page image linky thing for TheChroniclesOfNarnia isn't showing up on the main page, how can I fix this?
FastEddie: It needs to match on the title. FanficRecs.{{Narnia}} doesn't match Main.TheChroniclesOfNarnia. Moving the recco content to FanficRecs.TheChroniclesOfNarnia will do the trick.
CrypticMirror: Ah, ta muchly. All tided up now.
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^_^: What exactly stops OmnipresentTropes from being PeopleSitOnChairs kind of redundant? If we've SeenItAMillionTimes as it says in the description, doesn't pointing it out make it unremarkable ''because'' of its prevalence in stories?
{{Madrugada}}: Tropes are conventions used in storytelling to get some sort of information across to the audience. Omnipresent tropes are those conventions that are very difficult to avoid completely and still tell a story. PeopleSitOnChairs aren't storytelling conventions at all; they're just things that are normal to have happen. Everyone sits on chairs; making a character sit on a chair doesn't help tell the story at all. If, on the other hand, the chair or the way the character sits in it ''does'' add information for the audience, it becomes a trope, like SlouchOfVillainy, CoolChair, SuperWheelChair, or a ChairReveal.
Does that answer your question?
^_^: [[SincerityMode Yes it does!]]
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Tnu1138: why does StealthPun redirect to IncrediblyLazyPun? Wouldn't it be assumed that a Stealth Pun would require some skill and effort while a Lazy Pun would just be a cop out for leaving the joke unfinished for the audience to figure it out
{{Fighteer}}: This was done based on a [[TakeItToTheForums forum discussion]], as the tropes were being used interchangeably on the wiki.
SomeSortOfTroper: You mean "why does IncrediblyLazyPun redirect to StealthPun?" Well the trope was previsouly under the name IncrediblyLazyPun but it was renamed because the laziness was making people think of IncrediblyLamePun. In fact IncrediblyLamePun only exists because of that mistake. When tropes are renamed, the old name is kept around as a redirect for when people use it accidentally later on.\\
However the exception to that is when the old name is potentially confusing and damaging even as a redirect which is exactly what it happening with IncrediblyLazyPun so I think we're going to have to CutList this one.
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UnknownTroper: At the bottom of Pokémon's [[CrowningMusic/{{Ptitlei015gc004kw4}} Crowning Music]] page, only the index link to Anime, but not Video Games appears. On {{CrowningMusic/Pokemon}} [without an accent] it still appears despite removing both the [=<<||>>=] and changing the Index on [[CrowningMusic/VideoGames CrowningMusic/Video Games]]. Any suggestions? And I hope this was in coherent English.
Also, how do you add something to IndexIndex?
{{blackcat}} From what I understand the [=<<||>>=] indexing markup is obsolete and doesn't matter any more. Go to the index that you want the article to appear on and put the page on the list. Sometimes you have to reset the page type to index even if it already says index. I think I read somewhere (maybe the forum?) that the IndexIndex automatically updates on a routine basis.
UnknownTroper: Okay, that may sort out the IndexIndex bit, but, I moved everything from [[CrowningMusic/{{Pokemon}} CrowningMusic/Pokemon]] to [[CrowningMusic/{{Ptitlei015gc004kw4}} CrowningMusic/Pokémon]], changing the index links accordingly. The link to the [[CrowningMusic/{{Anime}} Anime subsection]] of Crowning Music of Awesome appears at the bottom, but not to [[CrowningMusic/VideoGames Video Games]] (which, with the redirect turned off, still appears on Pokemon [without the é], even though nothing links there apart from this very page). It's not important or vital, it's just that I can't tell what's wrong.
I ''already'' put the link on the indexes and it's showing up one on its page, but not the other.
{{blackcat}} I just checked the page type for [[CrowningMusic/VideoGames CrowningMusic/Video Games]]and the page type was set as a Just For Fun bit. I changed it to index and everything is fine now. Because the page was set as a Just For Fun bit, it isn't recognized as an index. To set a page type pull down the Tools menu and near the bottom is a button that says Page Type.
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{{arromdee}}: Please do a global substitution replacing [=LegionOfSuperHeroes=] with [={{Legion Of Super-Heroes}}=], because of the rename. There are over 400 wicks to change manually, and I don't think making this substitution could cause any problems.
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LooneyToons: ...When did {{Lolicon}} get locked? Geeze, you turn your back for five minutes... <grin> Anyway, I had an external link I wanted to add, potholing the phrase "[[http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/02/15/japans-hottest-schoolgirl-moms/ well into their twenties]]" (actually I wanted to change that to "twenties and beyond"). The link is perfectly legal and pretty much SFW -- it's to footage from a Japanese "beauty contest" for mothers wearing their daughters' school uniforms; none of them are under 30 but you'd be hard-pressed to guess their actual ages. Perhaps one of the admins might make the edit, please?
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{{Triassicranger}}: [[strike:I made an ItJustBugsMe page for StarTrekTheNextGeneration, and even though I put a link to it on the ItJustBugsMe index, the actual page is saying it's not been put on an index. What's going on?]] Forget it, it is now working.
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FlyingV: This is uncutlistable http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItJustBugsMe/ptitleuv6m2sgz
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MrDeath: Can we get some sort of arbitration on the DragonballEvolution page? Me and harkko are arguing about whether it's PragmaticAdaptation. I say it is, because a lot of the changes are the result of the change in medium from anime/manga to American live-action film; which, as I understand it, is the definition of the trope. He says it isn't simply because the movie wasn't good.
{{JET73L}}: I say, use the descriptions of the PragmaticAdaptation and AdaptationDecay examples on the page to reference each other, as well as the example of the trope itself ("[[PragmaticAdaptation Despite the adaptation decay, some things...]]" and "[[AdaptationDecay However, see 'Pragmatic Adaptation' above to explain]] [[YourMileageMayVary or]] [[AdaptationDecay excuse some of the complaints]]", for example). We've done it before, and it seemed to help the times I've seen two tropes for a given work that many people think are mutually exclusive.
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{{JET73L}}: Is or was there a Discussion search option (not necessarily discussion-only, but at least not excluding Discussions from the Recently Edited By or Content searches), and if there isn't, is there now a technical reason why we can't have one? I know it can be done by using the Google searchbar, but that doesn't seem to be particularly comprehensive, and it definitely isn't well-organized.
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PaulA: There's something weird going on at YouKnowThatShow -- people are adding items, and they're showing up on the edit history as having been added, but they don't appear on the actual page.
{{blackcat}} I think the page may be too long and that those questions that have been answered should be deleted.
MasoTey: Out of curiosity, is there a protocol for doing that?
{{Madrugada}}: Not really. Just do it and leave an edit reason of something like "Confirmed correct questions deleted because the page was too long and was breaking the software."
MasoTey: Thanks. I[[strike:'m going to go ahead and do that now.]] am an idiot for not looking at the page yet.
{{Madrugada}}: You aren't an idiot. I'm just faster than you.
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{{Jordan}}: There's an edit war going on on the MisaimedFandom page.
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{{Thespacephantom}}: How do I make a page of my own? And for that matter, how do I shot web?
{{blackcat}}: Put curly{{ }} brackets around your name ( I did it for you) and then click on the red link and edit your page. No idea about the other question.
{{Thespacephantom}}: Thanks.
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{{Willbyr}}: Someone with the IP 71.114.193.200 keeps removing specific comments from FanficRecs/NeonGenesisEvangelion. It's been done six times now as of April 10th, and reverted each time. Can we get an IP block going?
FastEddie: Block installed.
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MasoTey: What page type should be assigned to pages about radio stations or TV networks?
FastEddie: Creator.
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Chabal2: Is there some kind of policy on tropes that consists of a specific archetype meeting another? (I'm thinking of putting sailors who are also TheAlcoholic through YKTTW, but if I can avoid TheSameButMore and XMeetsY replies in advance, so much the better).
{{Fighteer}}: There's no absolute policy that I'm aware of, but in general it's not something we encourage unless the combination of the two tropes adds something that wasn't there already. In other words, are there any examples that would go on the combined trope that would not also fit on both the other ones? If not, it's probably not a distinct trope. (Edit: That's just me, though. Feel free to YKTTW it.)
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Cave Troll With A Beard: Are we allowed to create story pages for our own stories? I want to make one for a original story I'm in the process of writing that'll probably end up on fictionpress or something, just so I can solidify in my mind what tropes and such I want to use. Is that allowed?
{{Triassicranger}}: Well, there is TroperWorks for your own stories. Or DarthWiki/UnpublishedWorks if you haven't written your story yet.
CaveTrollWithABeard: Thanks!
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{{Madrugada}} Vandal at large: gregitaly 72.213.48.123. Hates the thought of HoYay between Kirk And Spock, deleted the page image on HoYay despite admin note to leave it alone. Also took out references to HoYay and the entire Fan Fiction Folder on BitchInSheepsClothing. Openly stated his intent to remove all references to Kirk[=/=]Spock HoYay in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=uvtxad1s1aoq6gl9n3uwi103&page=1#1 this forum post.]]
FastEddie: IP block installed.
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{{Micah}}: {{Sieglinde}} has twice blanked [=~Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offences~=] without giving any edit reason.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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{{Feinoha}}: Where do I propose creation of articles for Games/Anime/Manga etc that do not yet have there own article? Do I use YKTTW or is there some other place to do so?
UnknownTroper: You don't. You can just add it right away. Works pages don't need a YKTTW.
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{{Jordan}}: I just made some edits to CharacterFilibuster and those at the bottom of the page don't seem to be showing up. I've had this kind of thing happen before and don't know what's wrong with my formatting.
{{Micah}}: The wiki software doesn't like external links with certain characters in them (including %, which was in your wikipedia link). I don't think there's a fix, per se; the only workaround I know of is to find an address for what you want that doesn't have any problematic characters in it. In this case "Alo Presidente" is a wikipedia redirect to the page you want, so I fixed it by linking to [=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alo_Presidente=].
{{Jordan}}: Thanks.
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SunnyV: On the fora, I have an avatar from the Lunaii dollmaker site. How do I make it so that it looks less small?
{{Glowsquid}}: The maximum size for an avatar on the forum is 100x100 pixels. You might want to crop your avatar in MS Paint or some online image resizing site.
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{{Tokuiten}}: How does one deal with a particularly annoying [[BluenoseBowdlerizer bluenose]]? {{TMR}} (76.22.36.95) has been intermittently bluenosing the ''KamenRiderDouble'' article; he stopped for a while (unfortunally, all his older bluenosing is no longer in the history), but he's back with a vengeance; he just got on my last nerve by turning an example of BadassBiker into a PotHole reading "Badboy Biker" (April 14, 03:07 PM). Also, a very large amount of his edits consist of him pushing his own personal SpellMyNameWithAnS on everyone; he's done it in too many articles to count, he's edit warred over it and inserted FanDumb-ish statements like "some of us don't accept the official spellings", and he's even changed actors' names away from the spellings the actors themselves use (I remember seeing him do it on {{Characters/Kamen Rider Den-O}}). At least he doesn't fill talk pages here with personal attacks over it like he does on TheOtherWiki.
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EtherealMutation: Some user called "wikiporn" has been maintaining an EditWar on the Horrible/VideoGames page over a contested entry. S/he refuses to discuss the contested entry and basically has the attitude of "fuck it; you have to tire out eventually" (as evidenced by the comment line).
DialgaX: codenamehunterwolf (144.131.42.33) is doing the same thing. I suspect it may be "wikiporn".
{{Glowsquid}}: codenamehunterwolf doesn't seem to be a sockuppet (he edited way before wikiporn), from the look of the comment he left and the discussion page, it seems s/he thought it was about the UweBoll movie and not the videogame,
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{{Triassicranger}}: Motion to block IP address 38.127.225.193 for repeatedly removing an entry without stating resons from the SoBadItsHorrible [[Horrible/{{Anime}} Anime]] page. Hence vandalism.
{{Triassicranger}}: Extending motion to IP address 74.82.57.103 for the same reason.
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WildKnight: There is an edit war going on, mostly between {{DEFCON1}} and {{Evilest_Tim}}, on the ModernWarfare page over SpaceDoesNotWorkThatWay, which Evilest_Tim converted from WallBanger when someone originally posted that complaint on the main page. Quite frankly, I don't even care which side wins anymore, just someone please put a stop to ''someone''.
FastEddie: Block installed on DEFCON1.
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{{Glowsquid}}: IP 146.57.84.39, the guy who keep getting in edit wars on the ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, has made [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrwellianEditor?action=diff an edit]] on OrwellianEditor bitching about other tropers. If someone could deal with this guy, it'd be great.
josh6243: On the subject, 146.57.84.39 put this. [=**On the subject, the fact that the entire=] ''{{Sidekicks}}'' review is filled to the brim with not-so-{{Stealth Insult}}s aimed at both Mako ''and'' his fans makes it in arguably worse taste than his original, unintentional joke, due to the fact that he can no longer use the "I didn't know" excuse.
Is this fact or not?
{{lee4hmz}}: I've seen that episode several times now; what the IP here is talking about is a RunningGag in the episode where the Critic is lavishing over-the-top praise on Mako. [[spoiler:And then Mako has ChuckNorris zap him at the end for making fun of him.]]
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{{Cassius335}}: "Screw The Rules, I Have Plot!" needs renaming (due to the title having nothing to do with the trope), but I daren't put it through the Trope Repair Shop again, because the last time it was, the forumites ''badly'' misinterpreted it. Suggestions?
{{Madrugada}}: Last time, you were the only person supporting your particular interpretation of it. If you want to try again, take it to TropeRepair and come up with some stronger reasons to support your interpretation. Trope Repair is where rename are discussed. There is no other option except admin fiat.
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{{Chabal 2}}: How far back do the respective histories for page edits, YKTTWs and YKTTW launches go? Also, i could have sworn there was a page for XIsTheNewY, but nothing shows up. Am I having hallucinations [[TVTropeswillRuinYourLife due to the]] TetrisEffect?
{{Fighteer}}: The histories go until someone (usually FastEddie) runs a cleanup script. I don't know if this is automated or not. As for XIsTheNewY, it may have been cut at some point, but I just recently replied in LostAndFound to someone who was looking for it.
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{{Zadia}}: Could someone please tell me why the alternative titles are now at the bottom of a page instead of at the top?
{{Glowsquid}}: It spun off from [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=wcyuoeolk2g599kh01rzhjns&page=1 this]] TRS discussion. Some pages have way too many redirects and that bury the lead, so Fast Eddie though of changing it to the bottom.
{{Zadia}}: Right, thanks.
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{{Glowsquid}}:Some guy is edit warring (first as an anon, then under the name "wikiporn") on the video game subpage of SoBadItsHorrible. He keep adding the same entry with his reason being "It's the worst game I own on my Xbox 360!" despite the fact that it has been contested before and removed by several different editors, and he refuse to discuss on the talkpage. He doesn't seem to be too disruptive on other pages, though.
Glowsquid:... And as of April 11th, the '''edit war is still ongoing'''. Wikiporn has still completely failed to go on the Discussion page despite being asked to do so.
Glowsquid: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Horrible/VideoGames?action=diff wikiporn is still up to his business]].
{{Komodin}}: I've requested, ''multiple times'', in the "Edit Reasons" textbox that he should visit the discussion page to talk over what to do with the example. He won't relent. He ''just won't let up.'' Something should ''seriously'' be done about his {{single issue wonk}}.
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MorganWick: PrettySmartForAHottie appears in the index listing of several pages (like HotChickWithASword), but doesn't seem to actually exist when I go to the page.
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{{Citizen}}: UltraSuperDeathGoreFestChainsawer3000 has an excessive number of redirects. Am I missing the joke here, or can we get prune the list a bit?
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TheGunheart: In [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=iq4e979au0bb4ea0mtkaglwa&page=1 this thread]], EricDVH is apparently threatening to rewrite OldSchoolDogfighting. Given how it's already a perfectly good article and, according to the discussion, he's apparently one of the users who previously used the article as a soap box for his views on fighters in general, I thought I might should bring it to attention.
{{Madrugada}: We don't do pre-emptive strikes. If he changes it for the worse, THEN bring it back here.
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{{macroscopic}}: Got a spambot with the handle 'downloadtvshow' hitting YKTTW [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=lk14zc9tsdp7h24h41yzui7f here.]]
{{Komodin}}: The spambot [[{{Downloadtvshow}} made an "account"]], consisting of nothing but links to presumably suspect sites. Even made a "review" of SouthPark, which is more of an advertisement of its "site" than anything. Something should be done about this, methinks.
FastEddie: Hard block installed.
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{{macroscopic}}: Someone at 124.183.247.208 has been vandalizing JohnCena ([[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JohnCena?action=diff edit history]]). Some of his cries of "troll" and claims to "neutrality" are pretty ironic.
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DialgaX: The PokemonMysteryDungeon HighOctaneNightmareFuel and NightmareFuel debate has been cleaned up but can someone delete the NightmareFuel icon on the page? I made it redirect to the High Octane page in a probably misguided attempt to stop people from shifting the content of the HONF page to the NF page and vice-versa.
{{macroscopic}}: I've put it on the cutlist. The icon shows up automatically when there's a page there, even if it's just a redirect.
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CrypticMirror: Hi, sorry, possibly a silly question. But I've noticed that the CanonDefilement trope is being treated as "it's different, it sucks" and BetterThanCanon is "it's better so it rocks", surely these pages should be moved to the Darth and Sugar sections of the site? CanonDefilement isn't even marked as subjective (although the BetterThanCanon one is at least), at the very least they are both subjective?
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DyingWillKirby: At one point, I had added a picture (a character who I thought exemplified the trope) to a trope page that had no picture. Later, I found the picture had been deleted under the grounds that it was JustAFaceAndACaption. What exactly are you guys looking for in a trope image?
MrDeath: Generally, something that illustrates the trope, without needing foreknowledge of the series from which the picture was taken; they only "exemplify the trope" if you know who they are, and what they did, for a start.
FastEddie: Stop by the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=images Image Pickin' Forum]] and get some folks involved in the choice.
DyingWillKirby: So essentially, I should just look for an example from an already extremely known and popular source, as opposed to trying to expose people to new things?
{{Madrugada}} No, you look for a picture that works because of what anyone can see when they look at it whether they know anything about the character or work at all or not; not what it shows if you already know the character and the work it's from. If the work is obscure or lesser-known, the picture is going to have to be very clearly a depiction of the trope. And the threads in the Image Pickin' forum is a good place to see what generally makes a good page image and what doesn't.
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ArchaicChaos: Just wondering, what's the standard procedure for proposing page quotes? Should I take it to the discussion page or just add it on?
FastEddie: Just do it. Careful, though. One page quote is usually plenty. One short page quote. The idea is to introduce the article, then get out of the way.
ArchaicChaos: Thanks a bunch.
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UnknownTroper: I can't see the images for adding to discussion page (the funny letters) at all now. Is this a common problem? And I ''am'' aware the solution is to "get known then".
{{blackcat}} By funny letters do you mean the captcha?
No idea. Maybe? The point is is that there's a box for writing in, but no image visible.
FastEddie: That's fixed.
The same UnknownTroper, no really, don't be fooled by the different IP: Late thanks.
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MrDeath: Syera keeps putting an entry into GoneHorriblyRight that basically amounts to stating "The Bible is all lies" as if it's objective fact. I don't want to cause a huge edit war that takes up the whole page history, so if someone could step in that'd be great.
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{{Jordan}}: Someone's been deleting Transformers Kiss Players from the SoBadItsHorrible Anime page. Since the series is pretty widely agree to fit and deleting it is basically equivalent to wearing a sign saying "I'm a Lolicon", I'd like to think that deleting that entry is a banable offence.
{{Triassicranger}}: I would like to second Jordan's motion. I've been checking the IP addresses deleting it recently and both have come up as suspected network sharing devices, hence it's very possible it's one guy behind a proxy, the same guy who started doing it months ago. As an aside, most (if not all) of the IP addresses have been through communications companies. Curious. Basically -- block.
{{Triassicranger}}: On that note, motion to block IP address 38.127.225.193 for said action. Repeatedly.
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{{Triassicranger}}: Is there any reason why the DarthWiki and SugarWiki have turned white, or is my Mac faulty?
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WildKnight: deltanine keeps removing the quotes on the ''SonicTheHedgehog2006'' page and, instead of complaining in the edit reason box, is replacing those quotes with things along the lines of "I said I want those profane quotes gone! STOP PUTTING THEM BACK!" [[ConversationOnTheMainPage On the main page.]] Perhaps the quotes are in fact too profane for a game like Sonic, but this seems to me like a BluenoseBowdlerizer of the worst kind. If an edit block is too much, is there anything else we can do?
FastEddie: I moved the quotes to the Quotes.SonicTheHedgehog2006 page. They aren't a good opening for the article.
{{Citizen}}: Deltanine had a point. I'd have removed them, too.
MrDeath: A point on the profanity, perhaps. Acting like he/she had some sort of authority (the whole, "I said I wanted these gone!" thing), and making ''threats'', on the other hand, are way out of line, especially on the main page.
WildKnight: Pretty much; honestly, when it started getting bad I wanted to throw the quotes back in just to spite him/her and the, quite frankly, amateurish wiki-editing. Thanks for the action, FastEddie.
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{{Zadia}}: I was on the {{Telephone}} page and I saw that EveryoneRemembersTheStripper is suddenly gone. I checked the list of recent cuts and didn't see it there. What happened?
{{Ultimatum}} Its now called "EverybodyRemembersTheStripper
{{Zadia}}: Thanks.
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Wemmblyhogg: I see the 'No items, Fox only, Final Destination' [=SSB=] meme on this wiki a lot, and while I get the items and location bits, can someone explain why Fox is specified? I've never played either of the [=SSB=] games, and I'm curious to understand the meme.
{{Glowsquid}}: Fox is top tier (ie: He's generally considered to be the best character for tournaments) in Melee, which has a big tournament scene.
Wemmblyhogg: So is it referring to an [[StopHavingFunGuys SHFG]] saying he will only play Fox, or he will only play if ''you'' play Fox?
{{Citizen}}: A google search for the phrase would have told you that the phrase means that ''[[ComplacentGamingSyndrome everyone]]'' is only playing as Fox.
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{{Tangent 128}}: 76.19.181.198 was just observed deleting random words, syllables and punctuation from WMG/PhineasAndFerb.
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SomeNewGuy: User drussillaHysteric has been deleting several entries concerning the WhateleyUniverse from several pages, including CompleteMonster, CrazyAwesome and GoneHorriblyRight, and refuses to give any explanation. Can someone do something, please?
EDIT: He/she's at it again. Will someone ''please'' do something?
TheOneWhoTropes: I've had to clear up this as well. Please do something about this.
{{Komodin}}: It appears this "drusillaHysteric" person [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=drusillaHysteric is at it again.]] Someone really ''should'' do something about this guy's SingleIssueWonk towards the ''WhateleyUniverse''.
FastEddie: Block installed. Should be safe to return the deletions.
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josh6243: Are you sure you guys can look at 146.57.84.39 and block him/her because he/she does not follow the rules? He/she is at it again.
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Not sure I did the right thing, but after looking at the TalesOfTheAbyss article I removed what looked like a debate on the meaning of the game's ending. Could someone check it over thanks.
{{blackcat}}: Woah, it looks like the worst kind of {{Natter}}. I see you put down your reason on and that never hurts. In the future if you are doubtful about removing something you can always move it to the discussion pages.
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{{Ultimatum}}Since the OriginalLife page seems to be attracting problems,can it be locked?
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{{Citizen}}: When did "Manga & Anime" become the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ouroboros?action=diff "official category"]], instead of some variant of "Anime & Manga"?
{{blackcat}}: See forum discussion [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xnts3cpt47ene4cey2r4pkwe&page=1 here]].
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josh6243: Unknown troper 82.141.80.189 is vandalizing the AtopTheFourthWall page. The vandalism is almost removed; should we block him/her because there should not be a repeat vandalism?
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TheGunheart: Got another one on the OriginalLife page. Not as vitriolic as the last one, but taking out valid critisisms and calling {{Hatedom}} on the more obvious problems. Their IP is 174.114.231.69.
FastEddie: Edit block installed.
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{{macroscopic}}: I feel a little redundant pointing this out, but someone with the handle "aldona" has been spamming porn links -- one forum post thumped by {{Madrugada}} and at least two discussion pages: SiblingTropes and BrotherSisterIncest, which was thumped by FastEddie. Pointing it out in case no-one realized he was a repeat offender.
{{Madrugada}} Since (s)he's doing it more than just the one forum link I caught, I'll add a forum ban. Don't need that crap.
FastEddie: Full-on access block installed.
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ninjacrat: We've a uniquely singleminded spammer at lar789 203.177.239.165.
FastEddie:Block Installed
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MrDeath: A jackass at 64.107.1.217 is replacing whole pages with a single line saying things like "ura fag".
FastEddie:Block Installed
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JET73L: I'm sorry if this seems stupid, but is there something specific required to make an Alternate Title show up at the top of the page when following an alt-titled link, or does that just happen automatically with redirects now? Neither the EditingOverview nor TextFormattingRules pages say how, and I did not find the answer in my alternate titles bar search.
FastEddie: It's automagic.
JET73L: Sorry, I don't seem to be getting what the problem is (see [[WMG/MakingMoney WMG/MakingMoney]] for an example of what I'm not trying to do). See how the page to which it is redirected says "[[WMG/GoingPostal Going Postal]]"? I want to know what was done to make, for example, SuzumiyaHaruhi and TheMelancholyOfHaruhiSuzumiya to show up as the respective page titles for the same page accessed by different links, and what I'm doing (a basic redirect) isn't working for that. It just... [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin redirects]].
FastEddie: There was a bug in making the magic happen for WMG. That's fixed, now.
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CrypticMirror: Someone keeps removing ''FanFic/TheReturn'' from the CompleteMonster page based just on it being a fanfic series, although the character in question is an OC and frankly the series is closer to [[CookieCutterFic original fiction]]. I've put the example back again, but I don't want to get into an edit war over it, especially on an emotionally charged page like CompleteMonster. Can anything be done?
Edit: The same fate seems to befall the WhateleyUniverse entry, but I don't know enough about that -verse to judge whether that entry should be reinstated.
CrypticMirror (again, sorry): This just wont go away, troper drusillaHysteric 69.204.156.90 is still deleting the WhatleyUniverse section from the page no reasons given either in the history or discussion page. I've put it back one more time.
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LooneyToons: Not strictly a question, but... the [[http://www.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/titlegen.php Trope Title Generator]] appears to be broken.
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DyingWillKirby: I've got two questions: one basic one that I should have figured out by now, and a more advanced one.
1. How do I make a contributor page? Is it different from my profile?
2. I've made edits prior to registering on this site. Is there a way that I can transfer my old edits into my editing history once I've made a contributor page?
Thank you.
{{Ronka87}}: You make a contributor's page by turning your name a redlink (like the one above me), clicking it, and editing. Add the name to TheContributors, and set the page type to "contributor" (the tool for that is at the bottom of the "Tools" sidebar).
As for edits, that's a bit more complicated. As far as I know, you can't "transfer" edits-- the edits you made as an Unknown Troper will be viewable by your IP, but not by your handle. If you want to see the edits you made back then, punch your IP address into the "find edits by troper" function (also the bottom of Tools). But that's the past, anyway-- you'll make plenty of new edits with your new handle. Recording individual edits isn't really a big deal, and anything you want to keep track of you can add to your Watchlist.
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CrackersNCheese: I seem to recall a page that would let you edit your spoiler viewing options but I cannot find it now. Could someone please provide a link?
FAstEddie: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/profile.php Here we go]].
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WildKnight: Either a widespread DriveByEditor really needs to update their encoding or something weird is going on with a lot of "special characters" all over the site, e.g. the accented e (that I'm currently incapable of typing on this keyboard) in ''{{Pokemon}}'' keeps getting rendered as ?leading to "Pok?n". Could someone provide a clue as to which one it is?
PaulA: Looks like a character encoding problem: the special characters are in Unicode, but the pages are being served in Latin-1. (If you go to your browser's View menu and insist on viewing the page in Unicode, the problem disappears.) How it happened, and what's required to fix it, I leave to somebody familiar with the backstage areas of the wiki.
(PS. Looking in more detail, the server is specifying ISO-8859-1, but the actual HTML is specifying Latin1. If nothing else, they ought at least to be specifying the same thing.)
{{blackcat}}: See forum discussion [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=txkk6zjag29x0wcvpafsw7mu&page=1#15 here]].
FastEddie: Okay. Discovered how it happened. Geeky stuff [[hottip:*:I updated the replication demon to the latest/greatest. It's default settings had changed from latin-1 to utf8. Notice of that fact was buried in the release notes and I missed it.]]. Identified the fix, which will be run late tonight (23 MAR AM, that is).
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Shadow Darkman: I remember finding a link that allowed me to create a page when the tips I read about wouldn't work, but I can't remember where it was. Someone help me?
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spike12: IP adress#75.140.224.90 is making some rather rude comments in the page history section of the {{Whale Wars}} page over my edits in the epic fail section,and the removal of the unfortunate implications section( it has nothing to do with the show),and is kinda making it no fun to either visit,or edit.
FastEddie: Block installed and further off-topic material removed.
{{Madrugada}}: How handy. That solves the problem on the AnimalWrongsGroup page (right below this report) as well.
spike12: Thanks.
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MrDeath: Absurdist is perpetuating an edit war on AnimalWrongsGroup. He keeps editing the page to make people like the Animal Liberation Front (i.e., the guys who firebomb anyone who works on animals) look like heroes (changing "and kill real people" to "and save real animals", for example) and changing the page to reflect his ideology.
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TheGunheart: We've got a vandal on the OriginalLife page. Their IP address is 71.125.233.206. They're just deleting things they don't agree with and throwing {{take that}}s at the users who posted them.
FastEddie: Edit block installed.
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PaulA: Is there an easy-to-explain distinction between IWishItWereReal and ComicBooksAreReal?
{{Fighteer}}: That's a very good question, one which might be best raised on the forums, in Trope Repair Shop.
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{{Chabal 2}}: Is it necessary to have some kind of concensus when creating a page for a FanFic, or is it being on the series' FanficRecs page considered enough? the one I'm thinking of is ''[[http://captainosaka.deviantart.com/art/DOUBLE-K-001-82688715 Double K]]'', which is on the GurrenLagann FanficRecs page.
{{Micah}}: WorksPagesAreAFreeLaunch.
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{{Zadia}}: On the CutList page, it says that to challenge a proposed cut, I need to hit the 'wait' button. Where exactly is the wait button?
SomeSortOfTroper: It's the big button that says "add discussion re:cut". The principle is in order to get a hold on a cut you have to add a discussion point not just click a button.
{{Zadia}}: Ah, I see. Thanks.
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{{Jordan}}: 75.23.184.239 has been going through pages deleting any kind of explanation voicing feminist views giving edit reasons like "lol persecution complex" (paraphrased). I can see the point of a couple of those edits, but I'm inclined to revert them.
FastEddie; Edit block installed. Revert at will.
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{{Korodzik}}: Whatever happened to DepressionFuel? Someone replaced it with two random words.
FastEddie: It was cut.
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{{Ultimatum}} Was [AOD] banned?
FastEddie: Not by handle.
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Dragon_Ranger: 192.225.128.3 is going through various pages and deleting/editing anything dealing with Jay Naylor (ie. mass deletions in the BetterDays and OriginalLife pages). Most of the changes have been reversed already.
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{{Contributors/Elle}}: Ok, I decided I wanted to make redirects for the individual games in the ''{{Lunar}}'' series, but they're all ptitiles, i.e. [=~Lunar: The Silver Star~=]. I wouldn't mind except for the way they show up in the alt-title bar on the page. Is this fixable, or should I resign to making un-punctuated redirects?
{{Fighteer}}: Using ptitled redirects is ugly and is discouraged. They aren't really searchable anyway, so it's usually not worth bothering.
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{{Triassicranger}}: If a certain IP address gets banned, does that mean a registered user cannot access this website via that IP address. For example, say I (logged in) try to access through a blocked IP e.g. 1.1.1.1 and it's blocked. Would I be able to get in or would I be unable to?
FastEddie: There are two levels of block. An edit-block will allow an IP address to read the wiki but not edit. A full block will disallow even reading the wiki.
{{Triassicranger}}: OK, I underdstand, thank you.
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Madrugada: 94.170.133.65 is deleting opposing opinions on [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/StarTrek the Star Trek TOS]] Wild Mass Guessing page.
FastEddie: Block installed. Big no-no.
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josh6243: There is the guy Unknown Troper 146.57.84.39 who keeps putting Complaining natter about ThatGuyWithTheGlasses just because he does not like him. Can you block him/her because he/she is not contributing anything constructive to the article? I don't think this unknown troper can listen to reason. In fact, another troper considers this unknown troper to be a problem.
{{Utritum}}: I can get behind that one. Anytime someone tries to remove his nattery rants, he always tries to repost them under claims of being persecuted.
josh6243: The other troper (not the unknown troper) I was talking about has posted; can a mod please block the Unknown Troper 146.57.84.39?
FastEddie: I see post from the same address, but I don't see edit-warring. The posted example makes a point that seems to be supported. It edges toward opinion, but is not a rant.
{{Utritum}}: It is not the first time that troper have done this, which is why me and josh6243 are complaining. While his newest addition is somewhat substantial, he has previously cluttered up the page with overly long, angry and unconstructive rants and every time he was told to stop doing that, he would become angry and repost his rant while accusing the remover of trying to censor him.
josh6243: Here's the clutter Unknown Troper 146.57.84.39 made before {{Utritum}} (twice) and FastEddie removed it. [deleted by FastEddie]
FastEddie: We all have access to page history, thanks. We're watching the situation. Chill.:-)
josh6243: Sorry, man. What do you suggest in this situation?
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{{Aminatep}}: When I open a sub-forum, I must wait for the full list of its lopics to load. Is there a way to bypass that and divide the topic list into several pages, as it's usually done on other fora?
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{{Zadia}}: I was just on the InformedFlaw, InformedAbility and InformedWrongness pages and I noticed that each of them is on multiple indexes, and only the first index is showing what pages come before and after it. Anyone know why?
FastEddie: They appear okay now. May have been a transient database overload issue.
{{Zadia}}: Thanks.
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What advantages do I get for registering? Or better put is there anything a registered user can do that an unregisted user can't?
{{Fighteer}}: Getting Known means you can edit and launch articles without the CAPTCHA image verification. It means you can post in the forums. It means you can send and receive private messages. It also may have intangible benefits as regards your perception among other tropers. Edit: Yeah, and the watchlist. Thanks, Eddie, I had a brain fart.
FastEddie: Also, there are a lot of things on your watchlist which are cool to have.
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josh6243: There is this unknown troper who thinks sticking his opinion on his ThatGuyWithTheGlasses page makes him important. Should we block him?
{{blackcat}}: Can you two work it out on the discussion page? I don't think that s/he understood the "This Troper must die" comment was referring to the use of the term ThisTroper.
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JonnyD: (Rather than fill this page with the history, I've dropped that into a [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=jsr6n1vfycpl9uo3373t001i&page=1#1 forum thread]] since I wasn't sure where this question should go.)
Does anyone other than ninjacrat object to the PleaseElaborate page? While several tropers spoke up on the PleaseElaborateDiscussion with their support of the tag as useful and expressed their wish to keep it, ninjacrat is the only opposition who contributed to the discussion and so the only opposition I am aware of.
If tropers in general or admins in particular feel that the inconvenience of PleaseElaborate tags appearing on pages outweighs their usefulness, then I am happy to yield to the majority. However, if it turns out that there is actually only one troper who is in opposition, then there are several of us who would like to see it restored. I understand ninjarat's point of view, even though I disagree with it, and I would like to reach a compromise that would allow PleaseElaborate to return.
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{{blackcat}}: GhostBattleship 205.170.21.67 is blanking pages. DragonQuestZ started a thread about it on WikiTalk and is restoring them.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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MemorizePi: Does anyone know how many tropes there are? I've been wanting to ask this for weeks (but couldn't decide where to put this).
{{Fighteer}}: From IttyBittyWikiTools, the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/articlecount.php article count]] script might help. I don't think we have one specifically for page types, though.
MemorizePi: No, that's just what I was looking for. Thanks.
LooneyToons: <blinks> <blinks again> Over ''sixty-two freaking thousand'' pages? No wonder I can't keep up with the site any more.
lebrel: You may also be interested in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/page_type_counts.php page count by type]] tool: we currently have 17,643 pages marked as "trope".
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{{Tokuiten}}: Not sure where to report {{Wiki Vandal}}s, but Othinn recently vandalized ''{{Engine Sentai Go-onger}}'' at 9:27PM on 20 February, replacing all references to shows he doesn't like with "hack up". Checking his edit history, he did the same thing on ''KamenRider'' at 8:48AM on 19 January, so he's been grinding his axe for a while.
FastEddie: Block installed.
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cg12345: What happened to HowDidWeMissThisOne? Did that get zapped for any particular reason?
{{blackcat}}:[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlewf230efi]] Not zapped.
{{Madrugada}}: Made a non-punctuated redirect for it: HowDidWeMissThisOne
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{{Kizor}}: DominicDeeganDiscussion needs help. See, ''DominicDeegan'''s readership is split: fans find it silly fun until their SuspensionOfDisbelief runs out, at which point many become snarkers and continue to enjoy it for its [[EdWood cheerful, inventive badness]]. The article goes for peaceful coexistence and generally succeeds. I've been the most active snarky editor, MrDeath either incredibly fair-minded or the most active fan.
{{Fawkes}}' valid (if **'d) snarky additions caused DriveByEditor (75.23.214.254) to jump in, do a flurry of edits, and unload on the poor guy on the discussion page. DBE's proven impossible. He decides what other people's motives are on the slightest of evidence, and sees goblins behind every tree. He's hostile, insulting, and overt in his conviction that Fawkes' article edits and talk page messages are deliberate lies.[[hottip:*:"If you ''really'' think you're some kind of Neighborhood Friendly Snarker as supposed to a malicious anti-fan..." "That you popped up here ar TV Tropes with the initial aim to slip as many {{Natter}}ish [[TakeThat Take Thats]] towards the comic as you could mange with no regard as to whether or not the information is ''useful'' only went to strengthen my opinion of you." "Par for the course for a {{Hatedom}} that enjoys "creatively" misinterpreting the comic, but when they try to pass it off as an ''actual'' occurrence, that's going too far." ""Uhh, whatever this thing is! I don't know, but it '''sucks!'''" That's the tone I get from a ''lot'' of the examples I've seen you add over time."]] The mess is about two thirds down the discussion page. (He expresses a similar opinion of me. His deductions get various crucial facts wrong, but I haven't been able to answer them, since doing so and then writing this message before he could reply would be a boophole move.)
Thing is, he's done valid edits on other pages and and added a perfectly reasonable answer to an unrelated matter at the top of the page. He can be reasonable when he's not in Defense Mode, so can we ban him from just DominicDeegan and DominicDeeganDiscussion, or even get an admin to leave a message telling him to stay away? In any case, we can't have someone around who says things like "I fully expect you to delete the edits I'll be making, since it won't be what ''you'' want, however" without provocation. (He changed this when he expanded the comment. Unfortunately, he changed it to "I'll be attempting to do the observation some real justice beyond "this is what the Haters think!!1!" I fully expect you to delete it anyway, though.")
This all happened around the 8th of December: DataVampires have cost me hours. It's still relevant, though, since he's true to his nick and prone to taking matters up again months apart. He previously showed up six months earlier, when he went on about the motives behind an edit of mine until I broke it down and explained how each part was an innocuous housekeeping task.
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{{thatother1dude}}: I keep trying to add something to the ''Bleach'' [[WMG/{{Bleach}} WMG page]], but even though the history and the preview say it worked, none of my edits show up on the actual page. What's wrong?
Jerrik: I think the page is getting too long. I messed around with it, and if you make your entry shorter or delete something else (although that might be kind of rude) you'll be able to add it. The page seems like it needs trimming anyhow.
{{thatother1dude}}: We can at least get rid of the non-joke ones that have been disproven.
FastEddie: Page is just too big. You guys should figure a split or some other way to reduce page length. Edited to add: You'll notice that Jerrik over-struck my edit here. Also, in the WMG/{{Bleach}} article. Not sure why that is happening.
Jerrik: Sorry, I didn't mean for that to happen. I don't know why it did that.
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FoxxPark: My SpySweeper software quarantined my cookie for TVTropes. But I forgot my password. How can i get a new Cookie? I Don't want to change my handle
FastEddie:I'll reset the account. That means you just GetKnown again with the same handle.
FoxxPark: Thank you!
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SylviaSybil: I wanted to start a series page for the book series TheEdge, but that link is currently taken. I've temporarily saved my work under OnTheEdge, the title of the first book, but that won't work as a long term solution. How do we usually resolve it when two works have the same title? And since the movie ''The Edge'' came out thirteen years ago, has a one line description and four examples linked back to it, can I just take the link for the book series?
{{Micah}}: The standard solution to this problem is to use {{Namespace}}s. So your page would be at Literature/TheEdge (markup is [=Literature/TheEdge=]); the other page would either stay in the main namespace (since it was here first) or get moved to Film/TheEdge ([=Film/TheEdge=]), with a disambiguation page put in the main namespace.
SylviaSybil: Thank you! I created a disambiguation page and relinked the film examples to the new link. One more question though: how do I delete the OnTheEdge page I created to hold the book series page temporarily? I guess I don't need to delete it at all but it seems messy to leave it up.
lebrel: List it on the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/CutList.php cutlist]] page.
{{Micah}}: Alternately, just make it a redirect to your series page.
SylviaSybil: Thank you!
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{{Seanette}}: Two questions:
* Any hope of a search-and-replace function in edit mode? Helps with a name that people consistently misspell, since correcting multiple instances one at a time gets kinda tedious.
* Do we still have an IRC channel?
{{Citizen}}: (1) Copy page contents into editor of your choice (Word, Notepad++, whatever). (2) TroperIRCChannel
{{Seanette}}: Must start using the editor option (should probably stick with Notepad to avoid text formatting strangeness), and thanks for the IRC info. I couldn't figure out where it was currently hiding (last I looked for it, it was mentioned either on the home page or in the Troperville menu).
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CALieber: Saw a mistagged page -- I don't remember what it was, I think it was a troper mistagged as an index -- but can no longer fix it. What is the current mechanism, if any, for changing that?
FastEddie: Go to the page you want to fix. Look for the "Set Page Type" button on the Tools menu at the left. That's yer buddy.
CALieber: Thank you. Is there a page or forum I should be looking at to find out about these things as they happen rather than coming in here [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks and griping]]?
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SomeNewGuy: A user by the name of Tabris_Macbeth has made several {{troll}}-heavy posts concerning NipponIchi games, particularly SoulNomadAndTheWorldEaters. Normally, this wouldn't be much of an issue, but he's gone out of his way to call NIS fans part of a FanDumb. Should something be done?
FastEddie: Try letting him know in an edit reason that we're not about trolling. If that doesn't do it, we can put in an edit block.
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{{westrim}} I'm sorry I'm late on this; January was a wild (read: laid off parent and classes starting) month. But on the topic of my ban, stated to be for edit warring (which I do not remember, but it's been a while and from a different perspective: was the oddness on the Moe Anthropomorphism and Ensemble Darkhorse pages part of what you were talking about? Because I thought the issue in both cases was lack of communication); is it possible to be reinstated? I've still been editing and reading occasionally through a proxy, but without my watchlist and other resources, and without the site knowing it was me (and thus, unable to judge my conduct.)
If I were reinstated it would be easier on me and you could keep an eye on my conduct. At the very least, could the IP of my friends house (which I can provide if requested) be unbanned? I made a single forum post asking about the issue from their house, and now, they're locked out too.
Is this reasonable, or am I chasing chubacabras?
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{{Triassicranger}}: Do unregistered IP addresses have access to use watchlists?
{{Fighteer}}: Not as far as I know. It wouldn't make sense anyway, since the watchlists are keyed to troper handles.
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{{Zadia}}: I'm pretty sure that we had a page for the band TheDresdenDolls. Now it seems that we don't. Can someone please tell me if we had a page or not, and if we did, can someone please tell me where it's gone?
FastEddie: No record of having cut an article with 'Dresden' in it. Hallucination?:-)
{{Zadia}}: Looks like it. Thanks anyway.
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{{TheUnknown}} I don't if this is the appropriate place for me to ask this question, but this is in regards to creating a new Article. See I found this Web Serial Novel called Arcana Magi and the thing is, the guy who wrote it, is only four chapters into the main story. On top of that, he also wrote a Short Story Trilogy that is set in an alternate timeline. So I don't if A) there is a minimum requirement of chapters to post an Article for Web Serial Novels, and B) I don't know if I should put the main story and the short story trilogy into one article or do like the Start Trek and Gundam Articles make invididual Articles for each story timeline. Any advice on how I should approach this?
FreezairForALimitedTime: Go ahead and make it. Since there probably won't be as many tropes, you can get away with putting them in one article, I think. Remember: The example for NoSuchThingAsNotability is a sprite comic with 7 strips, so limits on "length" are pretty tenuous here.
{{TheUnknown}} Thank you. I'm gonna give it a shot.
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{{sithlordservo}} Which came first: The accursed, evil DarthWiki or the wonderful, sweet SugarWiki?
{{Glowsquid}}: Darth Wiki.
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{{Jordan}}: As kind of a joke, I made MidoriNoHibi as a SugarWiki version of {{Parasyte}}, but I may have messed up. Not sure how to fix it, and I guess I should have asked permission before doing that. I'd appreciate some help fixing it.
{{Citizen}}: '''Don't do that.''' Removed the redirect.
{{Jordan}}: I apologize. Thanks for fixing that. I got the idea from a similar page for ''WelcomeToTheNHK'', but I won't do that again without asking first. Thanks again.
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WildKnight: Quick question about alphabetizing protocol: Sometimes, people use potholes to make trope names relate a little more to the work. When potholing a trope this way (for example, potholing the "trope" Sexy Nuns to NaughtyNuns, like so: [=[[NaughtyNuns Sexy Nuns]]=]), do you alphabetize by the original trope name or the "new" name? Sorry if this isn't very clear, I'm not quite sure how to phrase it, but the aforementioned example is at MassEffect if you want to check it out.
{{Madrugada}}: Personally, in that example, I'd get rid of the pothole altogether.
FastEddie: That consideration aside, you would alphabetize by the visible words.
WildKnight: Okay, thanks.
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{{Mullon}}: In the CutList, how would I type in a review section?
{{Madrugada}}: You can't cutlist a review section. It's generated automatically when a page is tagged as "a work" or "a creator or person". If there's a particular review that you think should be cut, post a link to it and one of the mods or admins will take a look and decide.
{{Mullon}}: Nah, I was just thinking that MonsterClown having a review section seemed silly.
{{Ronka87}}: It was incorrectly labeled a "work" when should be a trope. Changed now. Good catch.
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Yappydog: Is there an index for OEL Manga at all? Putting it in {{Manga}} alone seems likely to cause trouble, but ComicBooks alone doesn't seem to quite get it right either. As such, several such articles conclude in a request for indexing. Suggestions?
{{blackcat}} You can suggest an index for this on YKTTW, listing the articles that ask for this index would help, so would a snappy title.
lebrel: I'd suggest having all manga listed in {{Manga}}, as its medium, and then in such other indexes as are applicable; an OELManga index would be quite welcome.
Yappydog: Right-o. Soon as I get some time, I'll start putting a list together. Snappy but clear titling is going to be harder, though...
lebrel: It's an index. OriginalEnglish-LanguageManga or OELManga or OELMangaIndex. Incidentally, the existing pages for OEL tnhat I can think of offhand: {{Dramacon}}, MaximumRide, AmazingAgentLuna, TheDreaming, DogbyWalksAlone, AoiHouse, and the manga version of MDGeist.
Yappydog: Thanks a lot for some excellent examples. YKTTW entry created: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=u41ebc8hdom59v6ubbi4wv1q Permalink]]
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Gemmifer: Why does the link for the fanfic recs for DGrayMan not show up on it's main entry?
PaulA: It's because the main entry is "D.Gray-Man" and the fanfic recs entry is "D Gray Man"; the main entry looks for and fails to find a fanfic recs entry with the same title as itself. To anticipate your next question, the reason it appears to work the other way around is that when the fanfic recs entry looks, it finds DGrayMan, which is actually a redirect.
Gemmifer: I see.
PaulA: In principle, you could fix it by making {{FanficRecs.ptitlej8ixspaskltm}} a redirect to {{FanficRecs.DGrayMan}} -- but whether that would be ''a good idea'', I'm not sure.
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MrDeath: Can we come up with a standard policy for listing tropes, whether they should be either
* TropeName: Blahblahblah
* TropeName - Blahblahblah
* TropeName (Blahblahblah)
Cuz I keep seeing whole pages worth being converted from one to the other, and it's just inconsistent all around.
{{Fighteer}}: There have been numerous forum threads about this. The only real rule is that the example formatting be consistent within the page. If it's been written with hyphens, then it's impolite to suddenly start using colons. If it's mixed, then generally someone will come along who feels strongly one way or the other and make all the examples consistent. Nothing to stress over.
FastEddie: Also see ExampleIndentationInTropeLists.
MrDeath: Fair enough. I'm not really stressed over it, it just gets a little annoying when I'm checking the history and I have to scroll past the entire page twice to get to the other edits.
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JackButler: What's the policy on Trope Titles that use derogatory racial/religious epithets? I mean, the trope itself is legitimate, but the Title the writer of the YKTTW is planning on using a slur as part of the title. What's the policy on that?
{{Fighteer}}: See OurSuperStrictLanguagePolicy.
JackButler: Okey doke. I'll sit back and repeat the MST3KMantra to myself and just not visit that page, then.
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ninjacrat: Our lovably inept essay-service spammer is back as David11 94.248.84.156.
FastEddie: Block installed. Thanks for spotting it.
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SomeSortOfTroper: {{Ronin}} keeps launching and then not crafting the page. I asked and apparently he believes that you don't have to which ignores the fact that people generally don't do it themselves and it is possible that a launch could just drop off the bottom and be lost forever, people's contributions going with it. The fact is that some people just might not know about the launch list and nearly everybody thinks that the launcher is actually going to make the page. There's not really much point in just pressing the launch button and then not doing anything with the page. It just takes the page and then puts it somewhere harder to get to while preventing anyone from contributing to the YKTTW further. He gave me some happy-clappy bull about all our different roles o the wiki but I suspect there may be some dick swinging with trying to claim a trope and name it himself. Not a ban level muck up but it may be more effective if he got a more official or hive mind rebuke.
FastEddie: I took away the launch button for Ronin.
lebrel: So does this mean that his launches are up for grabs and we can make the corresponding pages?
FastEddie: I'd say so.
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UnknownTroper: Requesting some moderation at TheSalvationWar page. We've got an Unknown repeatedly removing content that's been restored by no fewer than ''five'' other tropers (myself, another unknown, and three knowns). The Unknown is refusing to listen or to take the discussion to the talk page, and is continuing the edit war.
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{{Madrugada}}: Requesting a wiki-edit ban on miru (70.134.86.225). (S)he started [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=v7e0tod60s939fuz21ilxj1s&page=1#19 a thread]] in the forums proposing that the Comics and Western Animation categories should be merged because anime and manga were, and despite quite a few people saying "No", has, as of January 23, declared "The project begins NOW!". There's been one change made, and repaired, so perhaps (s)he's thought better of it, but... Also made the page TheAustralianEasternWesternTropeWar simply to snipe at PaulA and cast "an anonymous Troper (Miru) as a put-upon victin of an edit war.
FastEddie: Not sure I followed all that. However ... {{Madrugada}} wants block {{Madrugada}} gets block. My life is pretty simple.
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{{Aminatep}}: How to right-align a piece of text?
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JackButler: Goldfritha 64.148.25.34 has apparently decided to begin an edit war over NoHeroToHisValet. He is the previously mentioned single objector. Is there any way to stop him from reverting the change continually?
{{Madrugada}}: Goldfritha was not the only objector. There were three objections to what you proposed before you made the change. You didn't really address any of them, cherry-picked off one which said "cutlist it"; responding that you didn't think it needed cutlisting, that rewriting it would suffice; then rewrote it.
JackButler: There were no objections to address until '''''after''''' the change was made, and I have done my best to address the objections since they were brought up. There was hardly any input received at all when I originally proposed the rewrite. All of the fuss started when people apparently "suddenly" realized I was serious and moved to object ''after'' I waited for input and got none.
I specifically stated my plan to move the examples that fit other tropes to those other tropes and rewrite NoHeroToHisValet, asked for input from the tropers, and then waited for input for two weeks, during which time I got ''absolutely '''no''' response at all''. I then asked for advice on how to proceed (see below), and then acted on that advice when it was given. While I was waiting for advice, I received input from {{Moocow}}, who stated that I was correct about FeetOfClay and NoHeroToHisValet; from KnownUnknown who apparently didn't understand my idea about the name, but did say I was correct about the nature of the trope and ''supported the split''; from {{Fighteer}}, who said that it looked like it was "acting like a supertrope"; and from {{blackcat}}, who at first said that the description was "badly written" and "needs a lot of work", and suggested cutlisting NoHeroToHisValet, but then later said he supported the rewrite when I defended the trope's existence. So I had two people agreeing that it needed to be split and rewritten, one person saying it needed cutlisting or else rewritten, and another whose comments I read as agreeing with the idea that NoHeroToHisValet was overbroad. And then FastEddie said that if I've at least given people the chance to give input, and I still thought there was a problem, to go ahead with the rewrite. So I went ahead with the rewrite. And now, after the rewrite occurred, you guys are suddenly standing up and implying I did all of this under the table.
I'm not trying to be a butt-head here. I'm not trying to step on people's toes. But I do resent the implication that I was somehow sneaking around behind everyone's backs.
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WildKnight: IP address 189.244.18.197 has twice messed with the TalesOfTheAbyss page by apparently letting their hate for [[TheScrappy Anise]] override all common sense. Both were easily reverted (they just changed the picture caption to something nonsensical and tossed in ridiculous amounts of natter), but it'd be nice if they could be cut off at the pass next time.
FastEddie: Edit ban installed for that page for that IP.
WildKnight: Thank ye.
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{{Glowsquid}}: Some guy called wit is [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Kyothine?action=diff vandalising]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AirshipCanon?action=diff contributor]] pages and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VocaloidDiscussion?action=diff being]] a petty dick to other tropers.
FastEddie: Hard block installed.
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JackButler: Procedural question. You've found [[NoHeroToHisValet a trope page]] that, in its own writeup, admits that its actually three separate tropes combined in one (the write-up actually mentions "Type One is ThisOtherTrope, Type Two is ThisSecondTrope, and Type Three is the trope most appropriate to the name..." and so on). You've posted something to the forums about splitting off the Type Ones and Twos to the appropriate ''already existing'' trope pages and rewriting the page so it reflects only the Type Threes, but the response to your posting is anemic at best. What do you do next if you still think the trope page needs fixing, but you don't want to break any rules doing it?
FastEddie: "Anemic" may mean nobody has an issue with it. As long as you've given out the notice that the change is coming and folks have had a ''chance'' to respond ... go for it.
JackButler: So far, only one person has expressed an objection. Otherwise, the idea has been met with a general attitude of "You know, you're right." So the rewrite's been done, the examples moved, and all is right with the world, I guess. Thanks, Eddie.
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{{Triassicranger}}: Motion to block IP address 58.166.100.130 due to the following vandalism on DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck : continual adding of justifying edits (which is forbidden) and deleting entries solely because he disagrees with them (which is also forbidden) and rude behaviour.
FastEddie: Personal attacks are enough.
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{{McJeff}}: We've got a BluenoseBowdlerizer troper, TimLikesMusic. He's been active on {{Hatedom}}, I haven't seen him anywhere else yet, but this needs to be dealt with.
FastEddie: Didn't see a pattern, when looking at edit history. Just the one thing in Hatedom.
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{{Triassicranger}}: I noticed something funny yesterday (Sunday). Someone (I think it was DoomTay) had made an edit to the WildMassGuessing page on WMG/{{Arthur}}. When I went to check the history, I couldn't see his edit, just a list of previous edits. Now today (Monday) I notice {{Medicus}} has made an edit, and I can't view DoomTay's. What's going on?
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{{Jordan}}: If I wanted to get an avatar image and caption to use in the Forums, how would I go about doing that?
{{blackcat}}: go to the forum page [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/topics.php here]] hit the edit your profile button and follow the directions.
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{{JET73L}}: How do you redirect to a page in a namespace? (Which reminds me: Could someone with the proper authority ''please'' remove the freakin' redirect from [=Main/Serenity=] to Firefly so the as yet nonexistent [=Manga/Serenity=] and, if necessary, [=Film/Serenity=] pages can [[NeedsMoreLove get more love]]?) I know it can be done, because of all the redirects to the DarthWiki and SugarWiki pages, but cannot figure out or find instructions for how to get a redirect to accept a location with a / in.
{{Fighteer}}: You do it like this: \[\[redirect:\{\{Film/Serenity\}\}\]\] (ugh, why aren't the escapes working? Just remove the backslashes. And to remove the existing redirect, click the link to the page ({{Main/Serenity}}), then when you get redirected, there's a link to edit the source page above the Alt Titles bar on the destination. I could remove it myself but not until the new pages are launched.
{{JET73L}}: Oh, so Redirects just don't show up in previews. I thought I was doing something completely wrong. Thank you!
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WascallyWabbit: Okay this is just wierd. BigDamnMovie now apparently acts as a random page button when accessed through a google search. Why? How? And how do we get the page back?
{{Fighteer}}: Possibly an accidental redirect? [[http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-6610802604051523%3A2szln92pqym&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=big+damn+movie Courtesy link]] to the search in question. The Google spider should fix it eventually.
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MrDeath: Some jackass at [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=165.155.208.90 165.155.208.90]] has been vandalizing pages. Among other things, he inserted random gibberish into {{Shrek}} and a link to the non-existent trope "StupidFuckingChristians".
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{{shadowgirl13_chaos}}: Help! I'm trying to bluelink "squeeing" to Squee, but it won't link! How do you do that? I'm (obviosly) a newer Troper.
PaulA: "[={{squee}}ing=]" ought to do it: {{squee}}ing
{{Fighteer}}: See TextFormattingRules.
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{{Tannhaeuser}}: What happened to AWolfInSheepsClothing? Cut for some reason?
PaulA: [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/showcuts.php Recent Cuts page]] says:
-->[=SomeGuy: Bare-bones page with one example, two if we're stretching it. Has made no real progress in the two months it has been around. There is a Trope Repair topic requesting clarification on the definition. This is a perfect case study of something that should have been put through YKTTW first but for some unknown reason was not.=]
[[{{Tannhaeuser}} Tann]]: Ah, thanks. Bone-headed of me not to have looked on RecentCuts, but so agree with the sentiment expressed, that I am glad my bone-headedness gave it further publicity.
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CrypticMirror: I'm not sure why, but for some reason the bottom of my contributor's page has acquired some sort of index link to ''Ranma 1/2'' and the ''Terminator'' fanfic page. Does anyone know why?
{{Fighteer}}: The Fanfic Recs pages are listed as indexes, but they have contributor names in them under bullets, which causes the indexer to pick them up. See HowIndexingWorks for more info. Those pages need a major rework.\\
Okay, fixed it by taking the Index flag off of [[{{FanficRecs/Terminator}} FanficRecs/Terminator]].
CrypticMirror: Thanks. I just can't get to grips with the new indexing thingie at all.
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CALieber: Were a bunch of threads removed from the forum recently? The discussion for the revision of InformedJudaism seems to be gone.
FastEddie: Yup.
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[[AC:New items at the top, please.]]
''last batch removed 1 Jan 10''
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